Donkey My Ass Party
By PaganPower on June 6, 2008 at 9:32 AM in Barack Obama, Democrats, Electoral College, Florida, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Michigan, Ohio
The science is in. And it favors what many of us have been saying and predicting for such a long time. Hillary is the strongest candidate. By far. According to an astrophysicist Neil Degrasse Tyson, if the election were held today Hillary beats McCain and Obama loses to McCain. Period.
This conclusion comes not from wishful thinking but from a new method of analysis on the statistics of polls that has been accepted for publication in the journal Mathematical and Computer Modeling. The authors, J. Richard Gott III, a professor at Princeton, and Wes Colley, a researcher at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, are not political scientists. They are astrophysicists. And one of the tasks of scientists is to clarify the apparent complexity of the universe by using the language of mathematics.
Essentially the method is taking into account the median results of the polls a few weeks before an election. Using this method, Gott and Colley were able to pick the correct result in 49 of 50 states in 2004.
Here’s what they discovered: in swing states, the median result of all the polls conducted in the weeks prior to an election is an especially effective predictor of which candidate will win that election — even in states where the polls consistently fall within the margin of error.
To make his prediction of the outcome of the 2008 race Tyson followed the same rules established by Gott and Colley. If no poll had been take 6 weeks prior to an election or if the median poll is a tie, the win was given to the party that won it four years before. Real Clear Politics was chosen as the central database from which to make comparisons. What Tyson discovered is instructive.
We begin with the Kerry states. The states that in 2004 were won by Kerry. And we use his 251 electoral votes as a starting point for determining which states would be normally Democratic. And this is where Hillary’s case is exemplified. Because the numbers bear out the case she made on the campaign trail.
In Ohio, for example, Mr. McCain beats Mr. Obama two polls to one. But Mrs. Clinton beats Mr. McCain two polls to nothing. So Ohio, which Mr. Kerry did not win in 2004, would go into Mrs. Clinton’s column, giving her an additional 20 electoral votes.
Now take this all in. If Hillary were to bring Ohio into the fold, suddenly there is a number jumping right out at us that No one can ignore. That magick 271 electoral vote total qualifies someone for the Presidency. And who would that be? Hint: It ain’t Obama.
In Florida, Mr. McCain beats Mr. Obama three polls to zero. But Mrs. Clinton shuts out Mr. McCain two to zero. Because Florida went to President Bush four years ago, Mrs. Clinton grabs 27 more electoral votes.
Nice little 27 electoral vote buffer here. No wonder Hillary kept mentioning just how important Florida is. I wonder about the results in Michigan?
In Michigan, Mr. McCain beats Mr. Obama three polls to zero. But the median poll between Mr. McCain and Mrs. Clinton is a tie. Mr. Kerry won Michigan in 2004, so Mrs. Clinton gets to keep it. But Mr. Obama loses its 17 electoral votes.
What’s that? Obama loses Michigan? I thought he was awarded 59 delegates from there because some idiots used their psychic powers to determine that the people of Michigan really would have voted for him had he been on the ballot. Hmmmmm…. Seems perhaps those DNC fools might have been wrong after all.
Tyson continues to apply this examination to all of the states and his results are stunning. Indeed, Obama does better than Kerry. He beats his efforts by a total of ONE whole electoral vote. Better than Kerry, but not by much. Not much indeed. And frankly his accomplishment is easily forgotten when we take into consideration that he is just another loser anyway.
But what of Hillary?
When you complete this exercise for each state, Mr. Obama picks up Colorado, Iowa and New Mexico, three states that went Republican in 2004, but he also loses Michigan and New Hampshire, two states that Mr. Kerry had won. Mrs. Clinton loses the previously Democratic states of New Hampshire and Wisconsin, but she would nab 57 electoral votes from the Republicans by winning Florida, New Mexico, Nevada and Ohio.
If the general election were held today, Mr. Obama would win 252 electoral votes as the Democratic nominee, while Mrs. Clinton would win 295. In other words, Barack Obama is losing to John McCain, and Hillary Clinton is beating him.
In the end Tyson reaches the same conclusion that many of us have. The conclusion that has left many of us scratching our heads in disbelief.
Two questions arise in the face of this result. Whom should the Republican candidate prefer to run against to maximize his party’s chances of retaining the White House? And what does it say of the Democratic delegate selection system when its winner would lose the presidency if an election were held today, yet its loser would win it?
It really doesn’t take an astrophysicist to figure this stuff out because many of us know it intuitively. It’s Presidential Politics 101. If you want to win an election then you must compete in the swing states. And you must win there. Hillary has proven that she not only understands how to win, she has the capacity TO WIN.
It might not have taken an astrophysicist to figure this out. But I am very glad that an astrophysicist did figure it out. And prove it. It kinda makes the rest of us not look so dumb after all.
LOL! Must be Tyson is a racist. Wait…he’s black…wtf??uhhhh…ummmm…uhhhh…well, I already answered 8 questions! Leave me and my wife alone!
If Hillary is on the ticket as the vp I still will NOT vote for Obama for pres.
Hillary is smarter w/more experience who can lead this country.
It’s either Hillary for president or I vote for McCain.
Whoever took over our party clearly does not CARE if we win.
That is not the point.
Destroying the party is not the point. How can they give 75% of the free passes to Obama supporters and then lament that the party is divided?
Abstaining from voting for a presidential candidate in 2008 is one thing, but a vote for McCain is one in support of endless war and fascism. I support HRC, but not to the point of suicide. Fortunately, the majority of her supporters are more rational.
yes hillary supporters are rational, that’s why we will never ever vote obama, and given the choice, we’re ok with vote for mccain.
dnc wants to cramm down our throats obama, hell no, because we’ll cramm obama up their ass.
More fear from the Obama campaign. Is that all you people have to sell?
McCain is not now nor was he ever a fascist. In fact, quite far from it. He’s an American hero that gave 5+ years of his life and the ability to raise his arms above his head for sniveling ingrates like you.
He’s got a long history of bipartisanship and HE will be the one to usher in a fresh, new approach to unity politics. All Obama has to show is a long hiswtory of running for office.
And you base this on what, exactly (and I do mean EXACTLY).
I don’t know if you Obama fans have heard, but the extreme right HATES McCain. People like Rush Limbaugh. So it stands to reason that if the neo-cons dislike McCain that he’s actually not a bad guy.
The tolls are out == lying.
Point is you Obamabots have no idea what your messiah really believes.
He is too damned stupid to understand how the economy works — or how government works.
You idiot Obamabots don’t know that your messiah is a lazy bastard who will have his advisers making all the decisions while he “makes speeches”.
You idiots are being used — and I do not feel sorry for you nuts at all.
Your own stupidity will come back and bite you in the ass.
Suddenly next year when Obama is in jail — no one will admit to being “for” Obama.
Obama is a very dangerous man.
Damn — you said what I was trying to say.
Obama is a very dangerous man.
YES!
Even if this astrophysicist (!) is right, it doesn’t matter. Obama is the nominee. It’s over. Either vote for Obama or vote for McCain. There’s a really clear difference between them. Hillary might indeed have been the best candidate, but it doesn’t matter any more. It’s over. If you’re a Hillary supporter, Obama is now the only sensible choice. Do you want to spite your whole country because the Democratic party may have made a mistake?
You might want to check your dictionary:
Suspended vs Conceded
Supporting vs Endorsing
Denver is a long way away and there is plenty of opportunity for the unqualified Obama to implode.
You are right to point this out Lin. Most of the print and TV pundits would fail a typical 5th grade Reading Test given their pontificating that Clinton has ceded the campaign and has endorsed Obama. She has done neither. Her words were very specific and carefully crafted.
Oh, now it doesn’t matter that if McCain wins there will be no more woman’s right to choose. Obama’s the nomininee, he’s gonna lose so deal with it.
Doesn’t matter if we could have run a candidate that would have won.
lastlemming, at least your screen name makes your thought process.
You are telling a joke, right? Why would we want to back a loser? We never supported a loser to begin with. We supported the only candidate that can win.
Nope, supporting another loser is something people like you will be doing. Not me. And MANY others.
You tell him PaganPower. These same “unity” people are the same ones who voted for Nadar in 2000 when we could have had Gore {oh yeah we did have Gore and he had the popular vote. Remember when everyone who is now talking about unity was talking about the importance of the popular vote? Now not so much?
I may no longer be a Democrat but I have never been a Republican. But like their elephant party icon, I have a very long memory. I will not forget nor forgive what has been done this election cycle and I will not give my vote to Senator Obama!!
Uh, uh, uh…haven’t you been paying attention? Hillary supporters are NOT voting for BO. McCain will kick his ass in November, should he make it that far without being destroyed by the GOP first.
Did you read the post? McCain beats BO. EVERYONE in this country now knows who that asshole is. No more excuses about him being an unknown. 50 States (not 57) and all the territories have voted (THANS TO HILLARY, mind you). EVERYONE knows who BO is, and they don’t like him. That’s why Hillary won the popular vote.
BO will never win and MY vote will be a vote against him. So, you BO supporters just stay in your wide-eyed little universe and watch it all unfold in disbelief. OK? Maybe THEN you will realize we were serious!
Uh, uh, uh…haven’t you been paying attention? Hillary supporters are NOT voting for BO. McCain will kick his ass in November, should he make it that far without being destroyed by the GOP first.
Did you read the post? McCain beats BO. EVERYONE in this country now knows who that asshole is. No more excuses about him being an unknown. 50 States (not 57) and all the territories have voted (THANKS TO HILLARY, mind you). EVERYONE knows who BO is, and they don’t like him. That’s why Hillary won the popular vote.
BO will never win and MY vote will be a vote against him. So, you BO supporters just stay in your wide-eyed little universe and watch it all unfold in disbelief. OK? Maybe THEN you will realize we were serious!
Think again,Obama is the “presumptive” nominee. SD’s have announced their “intentions”. But, they don’t actually vote until Denver and can change their minds as often as they want to.
Do you want to follow along with stupid and compound the mistake because the Democratic Party made a mistake by forcing this idiot down your throat?
Or do you want to prevent one of the worst potential presidencies in history next to carter and stop Fauxbama from screwing the country so thoroughly that it will take decades to repair?
If you are a true democrat you know the answer to that question.
Yeah Right! Handing the keys to Barack Hussein Obama is like handing the keys to your new Corvette to your 16 year old that just got their license!
Obama is the nominee
Jumping the gate on this one.
Obama is a dangerous man.
McCain is the only safe choice — FOR AMERICA.
Hillary first
or McCain
I’m an Independent — so I don’t care if the democrat party is committing suicide.
Yes. Why? Because I want all of the liberal-fascist-’68ers out of my party. Obama loses and we can finally boot them all to the curb.
Once again, the DNC is putting their money on an unelectable candidate. In my entire voting lifetime there have been exactly two Democratic presidential terms: Clinton & Clinton.
I’m embarrassed for my Party.
Clinton 2012!
Lucky you that you missed Carter. Yeesh.
i am not embarrased for my party. at least not anymore. i am a regisgered independent. hades will freeze over before i give them another penny.
You are correct. Hope, ultra liberal white-guilt, race baiting, scams and lies are all Obama has. He cannot win!
Hillary Clinton has the demographics, in the right places to win! As WJC did.
It is absolutely true based on current “concrete” polling and history since 1992 that Hillary Clinton is the only possible GE winner.
Please take a look at Johnny Gunn’s map showing why!
His very well thought out reasining was posted in rebuttal to the wishful thinking article:
The Realignment We’ve Been Waiting For
by Todd Beeton, Thu May 22, 2008 at 11:24:55 PM EST
MAP and Gunn’s projections and rebuttals to Obama whiners.
http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/22/16100/9596/17#17
Re: Twelve States (2.00 / 3)
“In 1992 and 1996, Bill Clinton won 11 of these twelve states.
In 2000 and 2004, Gore and Kerry each won only one.
If there is a realignment -
it seems probable that it would begin with these states.
Who is likely to win more of them?” (HRC of course)
*partially re-posted
This points out a similarity between the cheney/bush regime and the DNC (i.e. ignore and/or supress any scientific data that doesn’t say what you want to hear.)
Polls, we don’t need no stinkin’ polls! MI or FL either!
We all know she’s stronger. I doubt the DNC cares given affirmative action is taking place.
Just commenting, at this point, to see if I can. Hacking has thrown out your comment thread 3 x this AM
http://www.clintondems.com
A great new Take Action site is also hacked. Red banner today (not there yesterday) now warns, go away this is an obamaton fraud site. Not so, they can think, read and spell!
Also, their anti-obama petition has had a Red header - don’t sign petition, not working due to high traffic. After getting that for 2 days, today I signed it anyway - and it seemed to work fine. They’d have had thousands of signatures in this last day - if not for the notice - don’t sign.
Hillary campaign site at 1:32 this AM, sent me request to join Hillary and shift support to obama. This was my reply email to them:
TO THE HILLARY CAMPAIGN - ALERT
If you are going to start sending out emails -like this one- to support Obama/either sort out your list, so I don’t get this type of contact. Or, if that’s all Hillary is going to stand for, from now on - drop my from your email list. As a 30 year Dem campaign worker, I’ll go work for McCaine!
If our contact information with Hillary’s campaign website is now going to be used against us, her round the clock prior volunteers in this way,
this is a DEEP VIOLATION of trust and MISUSE of contact information.
So please decide if Hillary is going to be real - or join the Obama frauds.
WE WILL STILL WORK AVIDLY FOR DEMOCRACY - we will simply NEVER work again for Democratic party - if this is what Hillary now stands for!
As for there being too much at stake - that’s for sure - there’s too much at stake to allow barack obama one foot closer to the White House!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How could anyone as bright as Senator Clinton propose that ANY PARTY, even a completely crooked one, and any candidate, even a totally dangerous one, is more important than the future security of our whole world?! If Hillary joins Obama she is not hearing our voice anymore. Beyond tragic and repugnant. Does Diane Fienstein’s opinion really matter more than our votes???
Hillary is being forced to support that asshole. The DC elites will make her life a living hell (as if they haven’t already?) if she isn’t a studious little player in their game of thievery.
Here’s my Dream:
I want Ferraro and Hillary to start a 3rd Party. The People’s Party, The PUMA PARTY, The People’s Democratic Party? Whatever it is, I want a NEW Party.
Then I want Hillary to tell BO to kiss her ass and shove it. Then I want her and Bill to speak out against what the Democratic Party now is. Then, I want Bill to go back to his Harlem NY headquarters, pack it up and tell the people of Harlem to kiss his white ass. Hillary should resign her Senate seat and tell the Senators to kiss her ass.
Don’t get me started on what Bill should do with his AIDS Global Initiative which wasn’t mentioned ONCE throughout this campaign….but he’s a RACIST?
Hillary and Bill need to start a NEW PARTY!!!!
The peoples party?!
Where has this been used before? China? (The Peoples Republic of China)
Just a thought on what you are saying.
Wow. The ignorance of our own country’s history is astounding.
There already was a party in this country called The People’s Party. It was also known as the Populist Party.
If all else fails, use Google.
More importantly, ‘The People’s Republic of China’ only has one word in common with ‘The People’s Party.’ One common word does not a correlation make.
Jebus.
Someone mentioned that she did inform you that your information would be used by others.
Why so reactive about that? When you receive your first Obama e-mail just unsubscribe.
I have unsubscribed from so many organizations/people in the last few months. Just today I unsubscribed to Democrats.com when they asked for me to “get behind Obama” so we can win in November. NARAL..that goes without saying! The DCCC, the DSCC, the Progressives for America, MoveOn (I unsubscribed the day they endorsed BO), Ted Kennedy, Chris Dodd, John Edwards, the DNC, John Kerry, Dick Durbin (who I am voting AGAINST in Nov.) and so many more! My husband is THRILLED because he sees that as just saving the $$$$$$$ I use to throw at them. LOL!
Too bad for them I say! They have made a HUGE mistake in this campaign and will soon regret it, me thinks.;)
Hillary or McCain here too. Obama isn’t just unqualified, he’s downright dangerous.
Ironic, he gave his big I’m a whiner er..I mean winner speech at the location of this years RNC. I guess somebody forgot to tell him it was also the location of Mondale’s concession speech after his record breaking loss to Reagan. Mondale took his home state and DC and that was it. 525 electorial votes for Reagan,13 for Mondale.
Very interesting article and post.
When Obama insisted on stealing votes he set the party on a path of destruction.
His removing his name from the ballot in Michigan was political game playing of the worst kind at the expense of the democratic process but even then he could have redeemed himself and bring unity.
Hillary Clinton even showed him the way he could do this when her representatives diplomatically stated that the uncommitted Michigan delegates “would most likely” vote for him at the convention. Yet he insisted on taking the low road of stealing votes. Stealing delegates.
Both paths could have taken him to the nomination yet he chose the low road.
This is perhaps the greatest example of why he is supremely unfit to be president of the united states.
It is also the reason that from that very moment there will be only one way back to party unity.
The list of unfortunate ramifications are almost without end.
Some would say America has lost its way but I couldn’t help but feel a sense of pride in Hillary’s actions. Her respect for the American democratic process gave me hope. Harold Ickes showed that our democratic principles are worth standing up for. He demanded it.
We Americans are united in making sure this happens.
We will not tolerate Obama’s behavior and there is no redemption for him now.
The democratic party leadership can’t understand this because they simply have no understanding of our respect for America and the blood that has been spilled to protect these beliefs.
Pollsters and the media don’t know this and can’t measure this yet but they will soon. At some point they will start to ask how presidential Obama looks when he steals votes.
Change is coming.
This time our votes are going to count.
http://clintondems.com/
http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/
http://www.johnmccain.com/
To the victor goes the spoils, eh? That is what I don’t get about these Obama supporters. They feel entitled to what belongs to Hillary. “You must vote for him, if you are a Democrat.” Except who cares? Hillary could win on her own, and Obama can’t. So she’s supposed to give him a victory he didn’t earn. “Fall in line. Support Obama. Campaign for him.” He is just a candidate. No universal healthcare, no plan for ending the war, just promises. How is he even a Democrat?
I just got a letter from Ned Lamont
Ned is telling me to help out JOHN KERRY, because John is such a great guy.
I wrote back to Ned, and told Ned that I used to help John Kerry–a LOT. I gave money to him, I worked doing crappy volunteer work for him, and I was his greatest champion over the decades. However, since John decided to ignore his constituents, who voted for Clinton, and instead back OBAMA, well, I feel very free to ignore old John. He’s lost me. He’s not getting me back, either.
I also find it strange that anti-war Ned is shilling for John, who is supporting the guy, Obama, who screwed Lamont by backing that PRO WAR Lieberman IN THE CONNECTICUT DEMOCRATIC SENATE PRIMARY. So much for Obama being terribly “ardent” in his anti-war stance. He backed the primary LOSER against the primary winner, and that loser then went INDY and kept the seat he used to hold as a DEM.
These two, Kerry and Lamont, aren’t a couple of blue bloods–they’re a couple of blue balled bastards, who really can ignore those old facts on the ground, because screwing over “that damned woman” is so much more important to them.
I don’t know if the DNC will miss MY money, but if enough people feel the same way I do, then maybe they’ll miss OUR money.
One advantage to this whole “independent” party affilation–it saves one several hundred a year!
The Democratic Party is busily screwing themselves–in slow motion, for all of us to see. It’s disgraceful. I’m not going to go along, and I no longer give a shit about them. I’ll vote for the person, not the party–and to hell with them.
Great Letter!
When Obama insisted on stealing votes he set the party on a path of destruction.
His removing his name from the ballot in Michigan was political game playing of the worst kind at the expense of the democratic process but even then he could have redeemed himself and bring unity.
Hillary Clinton even showed him the way he could do this when her representatives diplomatically stated that the uncommitted Michigan delegates “would most likely” vote for him at the convention. Yet he insisted on taking the low road of stealing votes. Stealing delegates.
Both paths could have taken him to the nomination yet he chose the low road.
This is perhaps the greatest example of why he is supremely unfit to be president of the united states.
It is also the reason that from that very moment there will be only one way back to party unity.
The list of unfortunate ramifications are almost without end.
Some would say America has lost its way but I couldn’t help but feel a sense of pride in Hillary’s actions. Her respect for the American democratic process gave me hope. Harold Ickes showed that our democratic principles are worth standing up for. He demanded it.
We Americans are united in making sure this happens.
We will not tolerate Obama’s behavior and there is no redemption for him now.
The democratic party leadership can’t understand this because they simply have no understanding of our respect for America and the blood that has been spilled to protect these beliefs.
Pollsters and the media don’t know this and can’t measure this yet but they will soon. At some point they will start to ask how presidential Obama looks when he steals votes.
Change is coming.
This time our votes are going to count.
http://clintondems.com/
http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/
I really don’t understand this. I voted for Hillary, but under no circumstances could I vote for McCain. He wants to continue Bush’s economic policies. He’ a lifetime anti-abortion guy. He’s signaled his desire to appoint right wingers to the Supreme Court. He wants to stay in Iraq. He has no universal health care plan. It’s a crazy choice if you actually care about the issues Hilary Clinton has spent her political life supporting.
Please get your facts straight.. mccain voted agn the bush-cheney energy bill (the empty suit voted for it). Mccain voted agn the tax cuts for the wealthy, mccain is pro-life, BUT does not want to overturn roe-v-wade, he is for stem-cell research, he does NOT want drilling in anwar, wants the US to be part of Kyoto again, his son is a marine in Iraq, I will put my fate in the judgement of a man who has his own flesh and blood in a war zone.
I and my family of 20+ yr of dems will have NO problem voting for mccain over someone who is an empty suit and served ONLY 143 days in the Senate before running for the presidency.
tim, you’re going to confuse the poor obamabot. you’re discussing facts. obamabots don’t know what those are.
give the poor bot a break and just chant some meaningless slogans, the bot language. otoh, why should we speak bot?
with you on the mccain vote.
Well said tim
So the ends justify the means and we should all reward the DNC’s reprehensible actions by voting for Obama? Sorry. If beating the Republicans and protecting the Supreme Court, etc., was so important, they shouldn’t have pushed Hillary out of the race. The Dem leadership are now acting like the Republicans, and I cannot give them my support. They should have considered the consequences before they lost all integrity.
Touche Tom. That is exactly the point.
So you are cool with supporting a stolen
election?
You’re cool with the destructive hate campaign
launched by the candidate who stole the election?
You’re cool with rampant voter fraud in the caucuses?
You’re cool with our party being hijacked from the voters?
If you’re cool with all that, then by all means vote for Obama!
so if you are such a hillary fan, write her name in. but don’t run that garbage about mccain after seeing the truth about obama. do you honestly think this man will be tried and true to any principle after throwing his whole daxx church under the bus. what can you be thinking. this anyone but bush bull won’t fly. don’t take us for stupid.
Yes but Obama - imagine him with his thumb on the button. The jerk’s just a sack o’ shit in a cheap suit. He buckled under during the debates, he refused to talk one on one with anybody, he totally lost it trying to eat his waffle and sausage - this jerk is going to defend your country as ‘commander in chief’? You. Gotta. Be. Kidding. The truly dangerous leaders of the world are already laughing hysterically. His rhetoric? Anytime he’s on the burner he can’t complete a single sentence grammatically correct. Dammit, he’s grossly EFFETE. Look at the YouTube clips of him and Barbwa Wawa. He’s a stuttering sack o’ shit.
So is he better than McCain? DUH. No he is not - he’s FAR WORSE. And with his militant muslim ‘toss a bomb’ friends he could EASILY repeat EASILY catapult the world into a THIRD WORLD WAR. Think about it. Just think about it.
And these crooks have to be sent a message: that criminal activities in the democratic process DO NOT PAY.
Finally: I don’t think you’re interested in an explanation anyway. You’re obviously an Obama bot paid a few wooden nickels by David ‘Joe Göbbels’ Axelrod aka Son of Satan to try to swerve people in here. LOL Good luck with that.
Cheers.
and he just this week flip flopped on israel - pandered to aipac then caved when his hamas pals pressured him to. weak kneed, unprincipled, and not even smart enough to fake it well.
Hmmmm…..my pat reply: Perhaps you should have thought about that before you decided not support the one person who has fought her entire life for women’s rights and civil rights?
McCain will be the next President if Obama is the nominee.
Because Sen. McCain is a real hero, who loves his country unlike Sen. Obama and his wife, you can not tell me that any sane person would have left that
anti American and anti white church if they cared about their country, no he stays their 20 years!!!!
no you’re wrong.
BO and MO just love this country!…
well only since they have been nominated
You must love it when you’re obviously unqualified and get to be nominated against another candidate that is far more qualified.
America, the land where you can become president even if you are worst than Dubya! What a joke.
MO who is pulling the strings must be in heaven.
Voting for BO will be like accepting the immoral decisions of the DNC and RBC. If they succeed it will mean that anyone can thug his way through the elections and it pays!!!!!
Hillary ‘08 or Mc Cain ‘08
The problem is that right wing money controls the media. And corporate money does not want a strong, intelligent candidate. Bush followed by a geriatric is proof of that.
Clinton is being destroyed because she is clearly the best candidate to come along since Al Gore.
In other words, we have to have, not just a worthy candidate, but a powerful media zapper.
she is clearly the best candidate to come along since Al Gore
Best since Bill Clinton. Who might have ranked as the best since FDR. But now Hill will be #2 in history as far as great US presidents go. She’s different from FDR and FDR had two terms, the Depression, and a world war - but Hill’s contribution will be every bit as big and important in its own way. And I don’t think anyone at any time anywhere for any office in any country has ever been as qualified and as ready as she’s been. Or as strong. She’s woman: she knows for her to get a job in the boys club she has to work twice as hard and be twice as qualified. Calling Hill ‘extraordinary’ doesn’t really cut it. The lady is quite simply formidable.
amen!
From another poster:
“The idea that Clinton supporters are all of a sudden going to come together to support an inexperienced racist, who happens to be black, is a further example of how out of touch the Party pooh bahs are with the average voter, let alone the average Democratic voter. Not only did the DNC read it’s own press releases, they actually believed them! It makes me sick when I watch these Sunday “talk” shows with these political pundits. Who are these people? They are all highly paid people who move in their own circles totally out of touch with the average voter’s reality. They are in a political shell. Take Tim Russert, please! His bias and attitude against the Clintons is so obvious, irregardless of whether he has Carville on or not. The reason for that is because he moves in circles where his livelihood depends on these people. It’s just like the reporters who don’t report anymore because they will not get the next interview if they were true investigators. I include Bob Woodward in this. What a fraud he turned out to be! His book about Bush was all BS! He just needed to cash in, living in Washington can be expensive at the top. Woodward then wrote another book totally contradicting the first book he wrote. And this is one of the reporters who broke Watergate? Well, you can tell that was a long time ago.
Where have all the reporters and the press gone? The problem is they have the individuals they are supposed to be reporting on over to dinner and vice versa. There is no ojectivity because they are friends with these people. They fly the same first class flights, stay in the same 5 star hotels, vacation in the same luxury locations and their children go to the same exclusive schools. The press needs to get back to the blood and guts of their profession. That is why this site is no important. I have contributed to JC’s site because this is what the press used to do. This is where the press used to be.
Therefore, their opinions that Clinton supporters will unite to support Obama are absurd on the surface. I don’t know where the DNC or the press are getting their information, but it is not from the ground. They are getting their reports from other reporters who live in the political bubble and depend on each other to make the big bucks, not to report the real news.
At least give to Carville. He did call Richardson a traitor, which he was. I truly believe something happened that Carville is not telling because of its confidential nature. Something happened between the Clintons and Richardson that is lower than low, but he can’t talk about it. He might reveal it in his next book. He stood tall. Ferraro stood tall. But how many others did? Not many. But, if these politicians think that the voters are going to follow them blindly and believe everything they say, they are again in the Twilight Zone, along with the RBC and the rest of the SD.
By Denver, I believe Obama will be so far down in the polls that the convention will be a bust. They can all stand on stage telling each other how wonderful they are, while the voters will send them all packing! Tewes has now joined the DNC. This is just another attempt by the left wing to take over the party. Well, Congress’ rating is lower than Bush’s. That says a lot about Reid and Pelosi. So, while they congratulate themselves on the left wing takeover of the Democratic Party, the rest of us will have moved on to really change things!”
if the left has taken over the party, then where is universal health care? i think the faux left might be trying to take over the party but are really covering for the dinos who are in a power grab. they want more money money money and power. so how does that make them any different from repubs. the answer is it doesn’t.
Exactly!!! Faux liberals. If Obama should get elected, there will be one in essence only one party. An oligarchy..There will be a dimes worth of difference, if that. We will not have a party to fight against the GOP. That is my main reason to vote McCain….ust to purge the Democratic Party of corruption and fools.
I hate revealing my ignorance, but who is Tewes?
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=tewes&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn
hope this helps. Skimming - ran Iowa campaign.
Professes: NO PAC money. [depending on meaning of No and PAC and money if they are true to form.]
With all those losers Kerry, Dukakis, and others before, we at least had the hop that they would win. With Obama he is a loser even before he starts.
In a few months you’re going to hear the following.
George McGovern! Please come back! Run for president for us again! All is forgiven!
Congratulations Dean and company.
YOU BLEW IT BIG TIME!!!!!!
If it appears that BO is going to win I’m pulling out all my stocks.
Experts predict a collapse in stock prices do to a doubling of the capital gains tax
Think things are bad now…
With higher taxes and punitive tariffs you can look forward to a rerun of the great depression.
I would rather put up with McCain for 4 yaers than to reward the DNC for their behavior throughout this primary. period.
The ONLT way I will vote for Obama is if Clinton is the VP. Otherwise, no way.
This is the first time in my life (and I’m 54) that I ever was motivated to vote in a primary. I have voted DEM in EVEY general election starting in 1972.
this is the first year in my life that I ever gave money to any political candidate (Clinton).
I have never given money to the DNC and based on their behavior, I never will.
And, don’t try to threaten me with the Supreme Court. The dems in the senate will just have to grow a little backbone and BLOCK and bad appointments. That’s what they are there for.
please don’t she is more qualified than him.. do you know the signal this would send to ALL women.. ??
I have olders friends, women, who have had to train their younger male counterparts only to have those males get the promotion..
please vote mccain over that fraud..
Ditto!!!
The ONLT way I will vote for Obama is if Clinton is the VP. Otherwise, no way.
That’s tempting but Barry’s still CiC with nuclear weapons at his whimsical disposal and the defence of a nation as his responsibility. What are you going to do if there’s a big crisis and Barry hides in the bathroom?
With all those losers Kerry, Dukakis, and others before, we at least had the hope that they would win. With Obama he is a loser even before he starts — more than half the primary Dem voters believe he will lose.
As an aside, did you guys hear about the turnout for his rally in NoVa. The Nissan pavilion holds 25,000 and Obama campaign was expecting 50,000 for their GE kick off and guess how many showed up? less than 10,000 and more like 7000 to 8000. You know, we should have citizen journalists follow him to these rallies and report on the truth of the matter. We still have until August for a course correction.
Someone posted here that the site was poorly thought out, since it is a parking lot on that interstate at the time of the rally.
Apparently, the poster knew what he/she was talking about.
So all the missing 15,000 - 20,000 (not even touching their 50,000 estimate) were on the road or not wanting to go because of the traffic. Come on, for these die-hard Obamabots, what is a little traffic or a few hours — they could go there early and wait out the traffic. I live in the area and I know I66 and I too know what I am talking about.
Been there, Heard that … What else is New ? oh wait un-employment rate is up to %5.5 .. looks like the reason a lot of you find it necessary to post here (including me) … chew on that and get some damn astro-physicists to work out a solution for it …
The lowlife’s back again. Her mum must have gone to work and left the computer on.
Maybe higher taxes will help lower that unemployment rate? LOL.
Polling speculation can buttress a case, but it can’r make it. Hillary has been doing better than Obama in polling against McCain for some time now, and it has had no effect. The die is cast. People who really don’t want Obama should begin their rationalizations/reasons why he is acceptable as a moderate/