“Yes We Can!”?
By willminusintellect on June 12, 2008 at 12:45 AM in Barack Obama, Economy, Employment, Workers
This ironic perspective from a documentary film maker is the latest in our continuing statements by our readers, originally posted at his blog, WILL MINUS INTELLECT’S WEBLOG - SusanUnPC
From what I understand, the famed Barack Obama slogan “Yes, we can!” was derived from the motto of “Si, se puede!” that Cesar Chavez created for the United Farm Workers sometime in the 1970s. Not that I’m accusing Obama’s campaign team of plagiarism or anything; they did translate into English.
A few months ago, Michael Moore’s groundbreaking 1989 documentary “Roger & Me” aired on one of the 15 HBO channels. For whatever reason I recorded it rather than watched it live, but finally got around to viewing it this past evening.
For the uninitiated, the film follows Michael Moore’s attempt to confront and interview General Motor’s CEO’s Roger Smith after the closure of a GM plant in Moore’s hometown of Flint, Michigan left 3,000 people unemployed. Hilarity ensues.
About 34 minutes into the film, I made a discovery. Moore has just been thrown out the Detroit Athletic Club where he had hoped to find Roger Smith. The film then shows interior and exterior shots of a hockey arena in Flint, Michigan with the following voiceover and dialogue:
Moore (v.o.): I wasn’t having much luck bringing Roger to Flint. The mayor, though, was having better luck with an even higher authority. He paid TV evangelist, Robert Schuller, twenty thousand dollars to come to Flint and rid the city of its unemployment plague.
Schuller (at a lectern in the arena): Tough times don’t last, but tough people do.
Moore (v.o.): Thousands filled the city’s hockey arena to hear his message of hope.
Schuller (walking around the stage): Pull your way out of poverty, but you’re not going to pull your way from poverty to prosperity until you realize that you have to be humble enough to say, “I need help!”
At this point, Moore utilizes a few still photographs taken from the event: one shows Schuller shaking hands with a black man. The other? It shows an older white woman reading a program from the event. Here’s a close-up screen grab of the program:
Oh yes, you read that right — “Flint’s attitude towards unemployment is: ‘Yes, we can!!’”
The film then goes on to show a series of shots of pollyannaish billboards that can be seen from the highway in Flint –”We’ve got a new attitude!”, “Flint is Auto This World”, “Flint Works” — along with some parting voiceover from Schuller.
Schuller (v.o.): By then what happens is you can turn your hurt into a halo! The sorrow becomes a servant. Just because you’ve got problems is no excuse to be unhappy!
Needless to say, Moore is clearly ridiculing these billboards and slogans such as “Yes, we can!!” as little more than empty rhetoric devoid of substance, opiates for the masses that project hope while government officials do nothing to actually help people. Hmmm, I’m trying to wade through the irony here of a professed Obama supporter disparaging empty political rhetoric. I’ll need a moment…
Has Obama said anything that he didn’t … borrow … from somebody else (usually without attribution)?
Nope! Not so far, unless it was the bit about his grandmother.
I think that is the first time I ever heard anyone publicly denigrate their grandmama!
I was certain that ‘Yes We Can’ came from the children’s character Bob the Builder.
Geez.
Moore’s “hatred” of Clinton stems from her commenting that he did not have a full handle on the Healthcare legislation process, after Sicko was released.
His ego is the size of his gut. So he’s paying back Clinton for daring to give her honest, and informed opinion.
Personally, I would love to hear Hillary’s take Sicko.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m very glad that it is here, and influential. That doesn’t mean it’s perfect, and experts are forbidden from pointing out flaws.
For me, Moore is a demon, because he is embracing a candidate with a weak, right wing health plan out of personal, petty vendetta.
LOL*……ah yes, the chickens come home to roost.
Yes, maybe someone should ask Obama if he wants lamb fries with his fried chicken.
The catch-phrase of the children’s cartoon character, Bob the Builder, is also “Yes we can” (”Can we build it? Yes we can!”)
Barack the builder?
more like barry the destroyer
Sometimes less is Moore.
love it
Just out of curiosity, how do you ‘understand that’ it was derived from anything Chavez said? Because the phrase itself dates back to at least the 40s (coming out of the Depression) and possibly even earlier than that.
Probably, because Chavez is within his lifetime and the Depression isn’t.
The fact that Obama likes to steal from known leaders seems to be another context clue.
And Obama clearly wouldn’t think to go back to the Depression for inspiration, so Chavez is the guy, he lifted it from. Especially with his Latino probelm.
Does that wrap it up for you?
No, not really. That’s just another way of saying you don’t like Obama.
To put it another way, I’m younger than he is, and I knew it dated from the 40s. I suspect that’s not an uncommon piece of knowledge.
No, I don’t like someone who steals MLKs tone….JFKs words…and Cesar Chavez’s battle cry.
It is intellectually lazy and I require more of my Presidential candidates.
He is Pavlov’s politican trying to exploit 45 years of tv clips so people will drool support.
The quote was lifted from Chavez and the fact you try float the historical significance of the Depression and your knowledge of it. Simply doesn’t make it the valid time and place of origin for the Obama campaign.
Why exactly would Obama take a slogan from the Depression, when he has issues with the Latino vote, and he is trying to court voters within this century?
That phrase is well known within their community, and trying to state otherwise is lacking intellectual integrity in my opinion.
Since the phrase dates to the 40s or before then you might as well say that Chavez stole it. MLK’s tone isn’t unique, either. The reason he used it was that the tone is effective. It works.
If you can find me ONE politician who hasn’t borrowed their rhetoric from those who came before, I’ll eat your hat.
No. You can make that claim.
I won’t. It isn’t a phrase that is hard to come up with, so I believe the UFW.
Cesar and a fellow UFW worker came up with the phrase and the group successfully defended it as their intellectual property.
http://www.ufw.org/_board.php?mode=view&b_code=news_press&b_no=185&page=16&field=&key=&n=53
“We want to cover two items on this day that would have marked Cesar Chavez’s 71st birthday.
First, we are pleased to announce a legal victory clearly establishing that the proud Latino civil rights slogan “Si Se Puede” (Yes, it can be done)-made famous by Cesar and Dolores Huerta-is the intellectual property of the United Farm Workers.
The Mexican airline AeroMexico had attempted to claim ownership of this phrase when it filed a trademark application with the Federal Trademark office in Washington, D.C. After months of litigation, the company agreed not to use the phrase and abandoned its trademark application.
Si Se Puede was coined by Cesar and our union’s co-founder, Dolores Huerta, when he was fasting for 25 days in Phoenix, Arizona in 1972. Since then it has become a rallying cry for both farm workers and millions of Latino activists.”
To the second point.
Yes, other politicans quote other people.
However, they don’t have speechwriters steal so much that the original person who wrote the speech can recognize his own words, even when they aren’t referenced as a quotation.
Why don’t you read RFKs Ripple of Hope speech and see how someone with integrity properly credits other people’s thoughts.
Obama steals intellectual property…there is a huge difference.
Go Karma! Go Karma! You’re my hero!!
“H” is the new “W” (I welcome everyone to steal this phrase!)
Excellent research, Karma. Very impressive. I think it’s okay to feed the trolls, if you feed them with facts!!!
Whew…thanks…Sumuchtsay and Judith.
I was worried about being all over the thread…feeding trolls.
You claim he stole so much? Can you show it? No, I don’t accept that Chavez is the ‘owner’ of ‘yes we can’, because he’s not.
Once again for the slow. Yes, it is their intellectual property which they have successfully litigated in court.
Please take it up with their attorney if you need more help understanding this. Atty Brook Oliver’s contact info is at the bottom of the quote.
“We want to cover two items on this day that would have marked Cesar Chavez’s 71st birthday.
First, we are pleased to announce a legal victory clearly establishing that the proud Latino civil rights slogan “Si Se Puede” (Yes, it can be done)-made famous by Cesar and Dolores Huerta-is the intellectual property of the United Farm Workers.
The Mexican airline AeroMexico had attempted to claim ownership of this phrase when it filed a trademark application with the Federal Trademark office in Washington, D.C. After months of litigation, the company agreed not to use the phrase and abandoned its trademark application.
Si Se Puede was coined by Cesar and our union’s co-founder, Dolores Huerta, when he was fasting for 25 days in Phoenix, Arizona in 1972. Since then it has become a rallying cry for both farm workers and millions of Latino activists.
For more information on the Si Se Puede victory, you can contact the UFW’s intellectual property attorney, Brooke Oliver, with the San Francisco law firm of Brooke Oliver & Associates, at 415-641-1116.”
http://www.ufw.org/_board.php?mode=view&b_code=news_press&b_no=185&page=16&field=&key=&n=53
MORAL EQUIVALENCE VIOLATION!!!!
You are just blowing smoke, like the Obama campaign does, Arcade!
Show me where the “Yes we can” came from the forties, as a slogan. You Obama fawners just pull stuff out of the air!
The workers collective movement came from 30s/40s but no slogan about “yes we can”.
Slogan came after 1966, Chavez movement.
I come from the forties, from parents who endured the depression, they had no time for slogans, merely time for recovering.
The only slogans of the forties concerned th e war.
Thanks…I don’t remember that slogan from the 40s either.
I thought the slogan was “Happy Days are Here Again”??????
There are some origins in this article (http://www.mlive.com/elections/index.ssf/2008/02/yes_we_can_trace_barack_obama.html). It certainly shows that Chavez wasn’t the first to use it, regardless of what you want to believe about the origins.
When Hillary used “yes we can” did you pillory her for ’stealing’, or was she ‘inspired’? When Bush used it in 2004, was it an outrage then? It certainly wasn’t any more original.
Chavez didn’t coin it, he popularized it. It’s that simple.
LOL!!
Your own article proves my point and in fact states….Chavez DID coin it.
From your link.
“Truth be told, Dave Cash was not the first to rouse a crowd with “Yes, we can.”
United Farm Workers spokesman Marc Grossman claims union leader Cesar Chavez COINED THE PHRASE in 1972 while lying in a Phoenix motel room where he was fasting in protest. After hearing one report after another from organizers and supporters who said, “No, no se puede” (”No, no it can’t be done”), Chavez replied, “Si, si se puede” (”Yes, yes it can be done”).”
Ah, a UFW flack says the UFW leader coined it. How unsurprising.
But Chavez didn’t.
Take it up with their intellectual property Atty Brooke Oliver. Since this fact seems to repeatedly escape you.
“Si Se Puede was coined by Cesar and our union’s co-founder, Dolores Huerta, when he was fasting for 25 days in Phoenix, Arizona in 1972. Since then it has become a rallying cry for both farm workers and millions of Latino activists.
For more information on the Si Se Puede victory, you can contact the UFW’s intellectual property attorney, Brooke Oliver, with the San Francisco law firm of Brooke Oliver & Associates, at 415-641-1116.”
And yet Chavez was not the first to use the slogan.
The only reason this was brought up was to attack Obama. It’s weak. If there was integrity then Bush would have been censured 4 years ago. But he wasn’t. Imagine that.
Hey Arcadian:
Let’s see….I will agree with you that Chavez was unlikely to be the first person ever to speak the exact words “si se puede.” Maybe someone in let’s say 17th century Spain or Spanish America said it in some unknown context….Maybe the Parisian revolutionaries said something like that in French at the time Louis XVI refused to let the 3rd Estate join the National Assembly….Maybe someone in England (maybe one of the Levellers) in the 17th century said something like that as well when refusing to acknowledge the legitimacy of the enclosures…
Though I’m speculating above, let’s just say you’re factually correct there….
Yet, “factually correct” won’t cut it, since you are trying to make the case that Chavez’s popularization of the phrase is irrelevant, and therefore Obama has as much claim over the phrase as the author of it. Your whole argument is flawed in essence. You want to argue that because someone might have said those words at some point in the history of humanity, that Chavez’s historical use of the phrase is of no real importance, and that Obama was not plagiarizing.
Unfortunately for you, history IS relevant, and phrases or ideas of historical importance DO have an acknowledged source in the person or group who used it in a political or historically meaningful manner. Hence, the theory of evolution is attributed to Charles Darwin even though a contemporary of his (Alfred Russel Wallace) was also working on a similar theory and even consulted with Darwin upon completion of it. Hence, the concept of bellicose capitalist imperialism is attributed to Lenin even though there was a man named Louis B. Boudin whose own analysis of imperialism and war, which was similar to Lenin’s, was published at around the same time. Hence, Cesar Chavez’s “Si se puede” should be attributed to himself even if it is a fact that other people in casual conversation, said something similar before Chavez ever did.
Now try to argue your way out of your logical fallacy.
No, I never said that Chavez and his use was irrelevant.
Likewise, *I* never said that being correct/factual was irrelevant. That was you.
That says a lot about how you think.
Hence not documented, eh? How convenient for you.
Maybe if he wasn’t so secretive about the classes he’s taken over the years of his formal education and didn’t hang with people who want to blow up buildings in this country and brag that they didn’t do enough, we wouldn’t be inclined to think that his pablum for the masses has already been test marketed? Does that do anything for you, sparky?
karma, so true.
plus, obama pulled that line out right BEFORE the new mexico caucuses.
coincidence? i think not.
just like pulling his pale grandmother out when it was time for kansas, but his not-so-pale african step-grandmother out for south carolina.
obambi is nothing if not a predictable panderer.
Okay, let’s assume for the moment that it WAS from Chavez, and that Obama DID bring it out for New Mexico.
So what? This is what politicians, all of them, DO. They attempt to appeal to the punters. Hillary tried on a Southern accent, remember? It’s the same thing.
No it is not the same thing. She lived in a Southern state, and often people pick it right back up around other Southerners. I lived in GA for a time, and it is easy to fall into.
However, Obama didn’t always have his fake MLK voice. And was given flak for talking too white in Chicago, so he created it and it is unnatural. No one talks that way in real life, just Revs in church. Which is frankly more vile and manipulative.
Hillary didn’t always have her fake southern voice, either. It was an appeal to popularity, because that is a politician’s job. I lived in England for a while, and I don’t suddenly fall into a Brit accent when speaking to a Londoner, nor did I do so when I vacationed there a few years ago.
All politicians do it, because that is how they pass the job interview.
A Southern accent is easy to slip into, it is comfortable. And that is why so many Southerners do slip into for a short time.
A Brit accent isn’t easy to slip into, just look at Madonna trying it on…lol.
Still doesn’t compare to a fake and stolen MLK tone.
You don’t just ’slip into’ an accent. If Hillary was inclined to ’slip into’ a southern accent, she would have done so sometime in the last 10 years.
But she didn’t. This is a pointless and stupid argument, and it’s the same thing as always - each side give a pass to their own favourite person for things they release the hounds on when it’s somebody else. You guys are doing it, and Obama’s guys are doing it.
I said Southerners slip into around other Southerners.
That is a fact. Like it or not.
Southern actors and actresses discuss this often when asked about their lack of accent and how it comes right back talking to friends and family.
A fake MLK tone that was cultivated isn’t the same as a Southern accent.
You can pretend it is….but I know it isn’t.
http://www.dallasobserver.com/2008-02-28/news/obama-and-me/
A reporters quote…
“One thing I can say is, I never heard him launch into the preacher-man voice he now employs during speeches. He sounded vanilla, and activists in his mostly black district often chided him for it.”
Acadian hails from Toronto, Ontario. Why this Canadian is interested in our elections puzzles me. This “Acadian” also uses a false email address.
IP address: 99.233.64.20
And I *never* heard Hillary launch into the Colonel Sanders voice before that one speech - and never since.
And, yes, she was chided for it. As for your ‘fact’ - well, the proof is in the pudding, and proof is not the plural of anecdote.
Yeah….the proof is in the pudding and no one has a Rev tone.
Hillary has often slipped into an accent over the years.
Nor are you tracking with your own logic. You claim she did it for a political audience. Psst…she has been in front of a southern audiences when she was a Gov’s wife and a President’s wife, and while being a Senator. She has slipped into her southern accent often over the decades.
However, just because you weren’t listening doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. She has been given flack for it before, and I knew she would be given flack for it now.
Nothing new.
A Rev’s accent is unnatural and is something new in Obama’s life. No one talks like that without effort.
You can continue to be disingenuous on this matter, but Southerners know even lifetime Yankees can slip into it. They don’t slip into a Rev cadence.
Should be
‘Now you aren’t’ tracking with your own logic.
Lifetime Yankees ’slip’ into a southern accent? Do you really expect anyone to believe that?
Yes, when visiting or living in the South, the way of speaking is so comfortable, ‘Yankees CAN slip into it’ while on a visit.
And if they live there long enough, and go up north their Yankee friends can tell the difference immediately. I saw it myself while living in GA, and other southerners were proud of it.
And how do you explain small town folks across the country who have never lived in the south with a southern type drawl?
It is a comfortable way of speaking.
I know for a fact in Northern CA, there are tons of small towns with people who have lived there their entire lives sounding southern.
Hey “Caidan, y’alls hed is stuffed so fur up yer poopchute that you’d need a screen door where yer bellybutton’s at so yuh kin see!
Yep, there’s that oh-so-convincing tactic, right there again.
Oh, how could I have even dared the audacity to ask a question. You have one me over, Sir, with your persuasive and eloquent words!
You might have even ‘won’ me over. Corrected to forestall the inevitable
‘obamabots can’t spell, hurf durf’.
Every asshole that uses “Define your terms..” or some other zit-faced junior highschool arguments pisses me off. You attempt to think, find it too frustrating, and immediately go to this childish bullshit.
All you ever write here is Obama’s Marxist paraphrasing. You are wasting valuable intellectual time. Since you are obviously in an extreme state of deficit spending in that area, do us all a favor and get back to the therapy room for some extra paint-by-number time.
We have heard enough of your crap.
What the hell are you talking about? The childish bullshit is the insults that you and yours have been slinging, and the fairy tales about people just sliding into southern accents even though they’ve never spoken that way before.
Do you live in a jar? As a professional announcer, I have studied dialects for years. It is not just common for people to pick up accents from the people around them, it is a desired affectation in order to communicate clearly. In the case of politicians, it is very common because they want to get their ideas across.
The problem in doing it is that if it isn’t genuine, i.e. a case where a person REVERTS to a previously acquired accent, it comes off as someone who is condescendingly accenting his language in a phony way, thus belittling those he speaks to. Or in the case of your can’tidate, attempting to sound like a down home Baptist preacher sounding more like Alec Guiness portraying Jed Clampett.
Obama is like the kid in school that the jocks always ‘pants’ed. He’s the nerdy jerk who always hung out with the chicks so the alpha males would leave him alone.
What a wuss….
Right. You’re a professional announcer, and I’m a quantum thermodynamicist.
Anecdotes are lovely and all, but at the end of the day they are stories.
Let me use my announcer voice here,
“YOU ARE VERY BORING”
Oh yeah, and it says right here that you aren’t a thermodynamicist! It says that you an IP douche from Canada. You’ve got nothing better to do at work than get online and spout politics you have no investment in other than being an effete pseudo-intellectual in a dead end gig who’s understanding of Americans comes from watching Oprah.
If you can’t give cogent support to your arguments without using moral equivalence as an answer, then shut up.
If you just want to kiss Obama’s tush, go find a blog where blind puckering up to rectums is applauded.
We are attempting to formulate a plan to stop a liar from tearing our political system to shreds. Go suck some maple syrup off your back bacon and leave us alone.
Here’s a good one: SHOW ME where the WHOIS record shows anything about me other than the IP I’m posting from.
<crickets> (pre-emptive, but I know what the record shows).
Oh and Obama slips into and out of his fake MLK tone all the time.
So, I’ll agree with you on one point, you don’t slip into a Rev accent by accident.
You don’t think that MLK was the first to use that rhetorical style, do you?
It’s an effective method of public speaking. Why shouldn’t Obama make use of it?
I delineated throughout the thread a Rev accent, Rev cadence, MLK tone, MLK tone….so clearly I am aware MLK wasn’t the first.
As well as stating, ‘no one talks that way in real life, just Revs in church’.
And I stand by my repeated statements. It is a forced way of speaking that Obama is adopting.
Unlike a southern accent which is easy to slip into.
oops should be……Rev accent, Rev cadence, ‘Rev tone’, MLK tone.
So your beef there seems to be that that Obama is adopting an effective rhetorical style for public speaking.
Huh. Yep, you should definitely work to have him kicked out of the primary just based on that.
No, my ‘beef’ with him, on this front, is that he is an intellectual property thief, stealing MLKs tone and words. As well as JFKs words, in order to exploit 45 years of tv clips.
Also on that front…I require more of my Presidential candidates. While at the same time, expecting more out of an Ivy League educated person.
On the primary election front. He once again presents his lack of character and lazy intellect while stealing other candidate’s policies.
However, my ‘beef’ with HIS policies, run along the lines of stealing from poor folks and taxpayers for the benefit of money men. It is shameful that people froze so they could enrich themselves.
Rezko, Auchi, Ayers, Exelon, Pritzker, etc …..those represent my beefs with intellectual property thief.
And yes, those ‘beefs’ do represent excellent reasons of why he is unfit for the highest office of the land.
B-b-but I thought Hussein is the Messiah, not just ANOTHER Chicago politician???!!! Didn’t
Hussein say “We are the one’s we have been waiting for”? Hussein often uses the royal plural~~~perhaps he believes that his grandpappy was the King of Kenya?
For months we have been told that Hussein is not just ‘another politician’~~~he is all about ‘change and hope’~~~either he is a para~politician or he is not. Hussein can’t sell himself as the Messiah on Sunday and a ‘politician’ on Monday. That is why many Clinton Democrats don’t believe him and won’t vote for him. Well, that and the fact that he is a liar , a misogynist and a race~baiter.
The point is you lied to try to make a point!
OK, let’s see where we’re at here.
Stage 1, denial:
it’s from the Depression era, not Cesar Chavez
It’s in the ‘public domain’ and cannot be attributed to (nor ’stolen’ by) anyone.
Stage 2, insult:
not uncommon knowledge
Although I have no proof of it, everyone simply ‘knows’ this to be true. (And if you don’t you may be a ‘low information’ individual.)
Stage 3, rationalization:
this is what politicians do
‘Everyone’ does it, so it must be ‘OK’.
Alrighty then. I think we’re about ready for Stage 4, diversion, wherein the subject changes abruptly or we’re admonished that we just don’t ‘get it’.
LOL!!!
I’ve already shown that Chavez didn’t coin it. It was easy to find, too. Now, when Hillary used it after Obama did, did you rationalize that?
You might want to read your link again…LOL.
It states he DID coin it.
http://www.mlive.com/elections/index.ssf/2008/02/yes_we_can_trace_barack_obama.html
No, a UFW flack says he did.
But Chavez didn’t.
DING DING DING …. another Hillary Clinton reference ladies and gentlemen …. one week after the presumptuous nominee has self annointed … MOVE ON to McCain …. Move on to the next great Democratic disaster a la McGovern and second Carter voting …
Yep, straight from denial into dismissal. Here we go again.
Reference to “Okay, let’s assume for the moment that it WAS from Chavez, and that Obama DID bring it out for New Mexico.
So what? This is what politicians, all of them, DO.”
And? That’s true. It was true when Obama used the slogan, it was true when Clinton did, it was true 4 years ago when Bush did.
For some reason only Obama gets attacked over it; actually, it’s not just “some reason”, but nobody wants to admit it.
“For some reason” = “YOU racist bitter , bible and gun clinging toothless hicks”.
Sorry, but we are NOT going to vote for Hussein. Your pathetic attempts to defend him would be laudable if Hussein were not the liar, the cheat, the crook and the race~baiter that he is. I suggest you might go and try to win over the members of FreeRepublic, Hussein has informed us that he is getting legions of 0bamaRepublicans to see things his way. Yes, there is nothing Republicans love more than a man with Arabic names who is friends with domestic terrorists who stomp on the American flag.
‘They’ll love it in Pomona’.
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This person is a Canadian. Obama outsourcing?
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That was random.
I personally don’t give a wet slap who you vote for. It’s become increasingly obvious that, while many people here have passionate opinions about their politics, answering questions about those opinions is not their strong suit.
If questions are such a threat to your worldview, it’s time to re-examine it.
An admin doing a WHOIS. For what reason, precisely? Is there a reason besides the obvious ad-hominem intent?
At least, I hope it’s an admin. Publishing that kind of traceable information is (IMO) sleazy, at best.
Let us keep this easy to understand.
Acadian,
Barack Obama is not a Democrat.
Barack Obama is a Marxist.
Democrats are not Marxists.
Democrats are Americans who love their country, flaws and all, just as we love our children, flaws and all.
Barack Obama believes this nation is guilty of crimes against humanity. He wants to cut Israel loose. He wants to make reparations to the descendants of slaves. He wants to put his SDS pal Ayers, in charge of public education.
He wants us all to make sacrifices so he can live in the house he stole, spend his wife’s exorbitant paychecks on Newport cigarettes he sneaks just before his plagiarized speeches and he’s just a downright dirty playing, lying, manipulative SOB.
These are conclusions drawn from common observation, research of his criminality and reading his full of shit autobiography.
That you obfuscate, deflect and lie right along with Obama’s party line is what generates such disdain toward you from us.
He cheats and lies so you claim others do so too, thus making it right and permissible.
If Americans can’t understand that your form of moral equivalence is false and destructive then they deserve Obama.
What you and the rest of your under-informed zealots fail to grasp is that we know the difference between making corrections within the system and destroying the system.
We will not let your can’tidate destroy the system.
We value America, you want to rape it.
I’ll address only one point, because the rest is so full of hate that it’s not worth it:
I have not said it’s okay for all to cheat and lie because one did. I asked why only Obama is being attacked for things that others have also done.
I don’t need you to answer that, though. I know the answer now.
Three questions for you…
Did your mommy ever teach you that two wrongs don’t make a right?
Are you spewing your bullshit from work?
And, if so, does your boss know?
Three answers:
NOYB
NOYB
NOYB
You can’t actually answer the question I posed two days ago, can you?
Now, is that because you don’t know the answer, or because you can’t admit to the answer?
This world still has a long way to go. Some of You always want to critisize other races unstead of dealing with the true hate and eny you have in your heart for others that are not the same. I am so glad that as a person I see that it isn’t about the color of people’s skin but was in their heart that makes all the difference in the world like love, peace and goodness and I am so sorry for you to feel the way you do about somebody without even knowing them personally that you must be a very very miserable soul.
So Saddened,
I remember that too when he pulled it out and thought the same about his pandering to Latinos.
His performance in the CA debate was interesting too. He throws black folks under the bus that their jobs weren’t stolen by illegal immigrants, because they had employment probelms since the most recent round of immigration. And he didn’t want to scapegoat them for something he felt they didn’t do, taking jobs in the inner city.
Well, that completely ignores what happened to the janitors union which was mostly black, when they asked for a reasonable pay increase. They were replaced with immigrants and jobs that paid $15 plus benefits in the 80s, now pay half of that. Or the fact the black construction industry was destroyed by illegal immigration in CA. The white contractors upset at affirmative action taking away state jobs, starting under bidding them again with immigrant labor.
Then Obama immediately throws the Latinos under the bus, since a minute ago he didn’t want to blame them. He ends it with this statement.
“Because if we don’t, they will continue to undermine U.S. wages.”
First he says they aren’t taking jobs and insults what happened to black folks and then he tosses the Latinos under the bus with them, all in one short answer.
Classic Obama, with a pandering applause lie about not wanting to scapegoat them and then contradicts everything he just said.
karma, so true. obama contradicts himself within the same discussion and doesn’t even realize it, since he doesn’t really understand what his pre-fed talking points mean anyway. or if he does, he doesn’t care.
and, of course, noone calls him on it.
sort of reminds me of the gun thing - one state (idaho?) oh, i’d never be for anything that’d restrict your gun rights… another state (forgot which) oh we need reasonable restrictions on gun rights… but the msm lets it slide.
serial panderer, aided and abetted by leg tinglers.
I remember that one too.
He contradicts himself so often, the news make my mouth drop over the shock of it…again and again.
Oh and get this Obama just flip-flopped on PA.
Yesterday, I was watching Dan Abrams, and he played a NPR clip where Obama said that now PA will vote FOR their interests.
His logic was since his economic plan is similiar to Hillary’s, they won’t go with McCain in the GE.
Obama is deluded if he thinks that they will forget that he called them bigots who vote against their interests in the primary.
Yup…aided and abetted…lol.
It is all repeat and brainwash. This is what Bush used to get elected and it is now Obamas weapon of choice. How many times have you heard in the last week that Hillary supporters are coming on board the Obama bus? Over and over again. Don’t buy it. Its brainwashing 101. I didn’t like it from Bush and I don’t like it from a supposed Democrat.
I agree. I thinks dirty politics has ventured into the realm of mind control and fear mongering.
Obama/Marxist was just pandering to the Latino vote by ripping that slogan. I don’t think the Latino Catholic vote will go to Obama/Marxist.
Obama/Marxist gets all his tactis straight out of everybody’s books, platforms and speeches. I doubt there has ever been a move made that was originally from Obama/Marxist. Patrick Deval…..just words …….of Axelrod. Jerks.
JUST SAY NO TO BLACK LIBERATION MARXIST THEOLOGY
NO OBAMA/MARXIST
MCCAIN 2008 OR UNTIL HILLARY RISES
If you would chose hillary over Obama then that proves that you are a true racist just come out and addmitt it instead of hiding behind your skin. I am so glad I have had freinds and known people of many race good and bad so I could never judge a book by the cover unless the cover jumps right out at me. Sorry that you where raised a racist. I get so sick and tried of reading all thi Bull on the internet that’s why I chose to mainly stay away. You all really have to mauch time on your hands. Take up so classes or hobbies to keep more busy. This is just a bit crazy to me. I have lots more I can do like go hang out with a 80 year old lady that happens to be white and me mid age black lady that happens to adore her. Not because of anything btu the fact that she has a great heart and is a wonderful person. We don’t see color It can really blind you from so great opportunities. Sorry you let things block you from experiencing life and all that it has to offer.