Obama’s Nerve: Attacking McCain on Social Security
By SusanUnPC on June 13, 2008 at 6:25 PM in Austan Goolsbee, Barack Obama, Current Affairs, DNC, Democratic party, Elitism, NAFTA, Obamatopia, Qualifications, Workers
I just heard on Fox News that Obama today is attacking John McCain for advocating the privatization of Social Security. Oh the irony. I keep asking everyone to read RonK Seattle’s investigative reports on the policy positions of Barack Obama’s economic advisers. You may read all of RonK Seattle’s diaries published at Daily Kos or at his new digs, Riverdaughter’s The Confluence. From RonK Seattle’s “The Audiology of Hope: Dogwhistle Economics 102“:
Our first installment began the task of decoding Barack Obama’s curious appeal to our right-of-center friends and relatives. (His point man on domestic policy is also the DLC’s Senior Economist — a deregulatin’, free tradin’, globalizin’, sharp-shootin’ son-of-a-centrist-gun from Waco Texas, Milton Academy, Yale’s Skull and Bones society and the Chicago school.)
The second member of Obama’s policy advisor triad is Harvard’s Jeffrey Liebman. Specialty: “pensions and poverty”, i.e., “entitlements”, i.e., “Social Security“.
Liebman’s reputation: centrist alarmist and moderate privatizer. [CONTINUED below]
He has supported partial privatization of the government-run retirement system, an idea that’s anathema to many Democrats and bears a similarity to a proposal for personal investment accounts that Bush promoted, then dropped in 2005.
“Liebman has been to open to private accounts and most people in town would say he’s a moderate supporter of them,” said Michael Tanner, a Social Security expert at the Cato Institute
Again, this is from RonK Seattle’s “The Audiology of Hope: Dogwhistle Economics 102.” READ all of RonK Seattle’s diaries published at Daily Kos on his inestigative work in exposing the REAL Barack Obama. (It is no wonder that RonK Seattle fled Daily Kos — and the insidious thuggish Obamabot attack machine — for the more nurturing environs of The Confluence.)
SEE ALSO: RonK Seattle’s first installment, “The Audiology of Hope: DLC Dogwhistle Economics ,” in which he dissects the background and policies of Austan Goolsbee — yes that Goolsbee who shall forever be infamous for his conversations with the Canadian embassy to reassure them that Barack Obama wasn’t really against NAFTA. A RonK Seattle sampler on Goolsbee: He is “DLC senior economist.”
I am reminded of the column of Paul Krugman which I wrote about in February.
THE KEY POINT to keep in mind here is that the next president must be STRONG on policy as well as highly experienced and knowledgeable about the maneuverings of Congress in order to protect Social Security. That requires the next president be experienced in the ways of Washington, D.C. and be stalwhart in his/her determination to protect Social Security.
And must I add the obvious? That the next president must TRULY CARE about protecting Social Security?
Now, here’s what I wrote about and quoted from Dr. Krugman’s column in “Hmmm … who is Krugman talking about?“:
From “Don’t Rerun That ’70s Show,” NYT op-ed columnist and economist Paul Krugman, February 22, 2008 — the conclusion:
[E]ven if the next president is a Democrat, any serious stimulus plan would face intense, ideologically motivated opposition in Congress. Will the next president be prepared to fight for an effective plan? Or will we end up with a compromise like the one Congressional Democrats agreed to this year, legislation that assuages conservative objections at the cost of undermining the plan’s effectiveness?
Until recently, I thought the biggest political struggle facing the next president was likely to be over health care reform. But right now it looks as if the first thing on the next administration’s plate will have to be dealing with a weak economy.
And if effective action isn’t forthcoming, the next president will suffer the fate of Jimmy Carter, who began his administration with words of uplift — “Let us create together a new national spirit of unity and trust” — and ended up delivering America into the hands of the hard right.
Could Krugman be thinking about this candidate, whose first economic stimulus plan Krugman called “disreputable” and whose second plan the economist found “tilted to the right“?
I remain in a state of shock that the Democratic party leadership could be led by the nose by Barack Obama — who cares not a bit about policy — but instead is solely focused on grabbing complete and utter control.
That’s why he selects economic advisers — who themselves have great power and means — regardless of whether those advisers “tilt” to the right and advocate the privatization of Social Security.
What those advisers believe and advocate matters not to Obama. All he cares about is their ability to help him grab power. Goolsbee is a prime example of an economist with a POWER BACKGROUND, a man of means who is superbly CONNECTED to the elite power structure in this country.
RonK Seattle (I repeat this for emphasis) describes Goolsbee’s resume that shows how well-connected he is:
Goolsbee. Economic wunderkind, forensics champ, MIT PhD, Yale Bonesman out of Waco via Milton Academy, Obama’s chief / top / senior economic spokesman and senior policy advisor.
Oh, and DLC senior economist. … (Read more here.)
It is Goolsbee’s powerful connections that Obama desires. Not his policy views and advice. Which I maintain Obama cares not about.
Subject obama’s explanation
Comments Obama Explains National Anthem Stance
Hot on the heels of his explanation for why he no longer wears a flag pin, presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama was forced to explain why he doesn’t follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.
According to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171, During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform are expected to stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart.
‘As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want to be perceived as taking sides,’ Obama said. ‘There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song ‘I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing.’ If that were our anthem, then I might salute it.’
WHAAAAAAAT!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, this could possibly be our next president. I, for once, am speechless
This must be a joke. That part about changing the national anthem to ‘I’ld Like to Teach The World to Sing’, no one, not even Obama could make such a crazy suggestion.
All African American voters. If you are visiting this site, please alert your family members, friends and co-workers. I am here to expose the lies that dems have told you about republicans. When you read the posts at this site, you will realize why your ancestors were a solid republican voting block. Pass this information along. Don’t let the dems continue to misuse you. Republicans support their black candidates. I call on you to take action to sweep all dems in congress out of office. I call on you to revolt against the dems and sweep out governors and dems controlling state houses out of office.
African Americans, look at the comments on this site. Bring your votes and your donations to the republican party. Many of you will wait until the real dems defeat Obama. Remember them. Republicans support their Black candidates. Your ancestors were well treated by the republican party. You are also welcome as many of you are people of faith. People of faith have no place in the DEMONcRAT party.
The real democratic or should I say DEMONcRAT party. Full of baby killers, sodomites, welfare leeches, racists and general dummies.
All African American with jobs and pride, please hear me. When Obama loses, come home to the republican party. This is the real democratic party. We republicans depise them. Evidence is here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1992769/posts
Blacks, this is the real democratic party. The party of “black codes” Johnson, George Wallace and the Southern manifesto.
Republicans freed the slaves and gave you your rights. The first black senators were republican. Most of the signers of the civil rights bill were republicans. Ronald Reagan appointed Colin Powell to be National security advisor. George Bush appointed a black and a black woman to be secretary of state. Dems have been killing your babies, ruining your families and putting you on the back of the bus for advancement for hundreds of years. Educate yourselves…because what you see here is the real democratic party. Never ever vote democrat again. They will betray you every time.
Witless, perhaps. It’s fake.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp
Ummm… can I recommend snopes.com?
The history of the real democrat party. Andrew Johnson Democrat president.
Johnson-appointed governments all passed Black Codes that gave the Freedmen second class status. In response to the Black Codes and worrisome signs of Southern recalcitrance, the Radical Republicans blocked the re-admission of the ex-rebellious states to the Congress in fall 1865. Congress also renewed the Freedman’s Bureau, but Johnson vetoed it. Senator Lyman Trumbull of Illinois, leader of the moderate Republicans, took affront at the Black Codes. Trumbull proposed the first Civil Rights bill.
All African Americans visiting this site, take notice that you are reading remarks posted by members of the democratic party. Please help bring attention to this truth. There is a place for you in the Republican party. John McCain is polling 24% of the black vote in Michigan. Educate yourselves. As you read posts at this site, you will realize why your ancestors were a solid republican voting block. Republicans support their black candidates. You are welcome in our party.
African Americans, look at the comments on this site. Bring your votes and your donations to the republican party. Many of you will wait until the real dems defeat Obama. Remember them. Republicans support their Black candidates. Your ancestors were well treated by the republican party. You are also welcome as many of you are people of faith. People of faith have no place in the DEMONcRAT party.
The real democratic or should I say DEMONcRAT party. Full of baby killers, sodomites, welfare leeches, racists and general dummies.
All African American with jobs and pride, please hear me. When Obama loses, come home to the republican party. This is the real democratic party. We republicans depise them. Evidence is here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1992769/posts
Blacks, this is the real democratic party. The party of “black codes” Johnson, George Wallace and the Southern manifesto.
Republicans freed the slaves and gave you your rights. The first black senators were republican. Most of the signers of the civil rights bill were republicans. Ronald Reagan appointed Colin Powell to be National security advisor. George Bush appointed a black and a black woman to be secretary of state. Dems have been killing your babies, ruining your families and putting you on the back of the bus for advancement for hundreds of years. Educate yourselves…because what you see here is the real democratic party. Never ever vote democrat again. They will betray you every time.
Although strongly urged by moderates in Congress to sign the Civil Rights bill, Johnson broke decisively with them by vetoing it on March 27.
Obama quoted saying “he did not mind the high cost of gas […]
http://tinyurl.com/6mqw2s
Can’t believe this isn’t scrubbed yet.
Where’s Obama’s internet black boots?
I’d love the original source on this!
Transcript of the CNBC interview is at:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/25084346
Here’s another case where I agree with Obama’s words today, but have no faith that I’ll hear the same words from him tomorrow in another setting.
The real democratic party.
Andrew Johnson President–DEMOCRAT
Johnson-appointed governments all passed Black Codes that gave the Freedmen second class status. In response to the Black Codes and worrisome signs of Southern recalcitrance, the Radical Republicans blocked the re-admission of the ex-rebellious states to the Congress in fall 1865. Congress also renewed the Freedman’s Bureau, but Johnson vetoed it. Senator Lyman Trumbull of Illinois, leader of the moderate Republicans, took affront at the Black Codes. Trumbull proposed the first Civil Rights bill.
Although strongly urged by moderates in Congress to sign the Civil Rights bill, Johnson broke decisively with them by vetoing it on March 27.
There’s your democrats names attached to the Southern Manifesto. The real democrat party. Take a look minorities, especially blacks. The truth.
“The original Constitution does not mention education. Neither does the 14th Amendment nor any other amendment. The debates preceding the submission of the 14th Amendment clearly show that there was no intent that it should affect the system of education maintained by the States.”
Signatories
United States Senate
John Sparkman (D-Alabama)
Lister Hill (D-Alabama)
William Fulbright (D-Arkansas)[1]
John L. McClellan (D-Arkansas)
George A. Smathers (D-Florida)
Spessard Holland (D-Florida)
Walter F. George (D-Georgia)
Richard B. Russell (D-Georgia)
Allen J. Ellender (D-Louisiana)
Russell B. Long (D-Louisiana)
James O. Eastland (D-Mississippi)
John Stennis (D-Mississippi)
Samuel Ervin (D-North Carolina)
W. Kerr Scott (D-North Carolina)
Strom Thurmond (D-South Carolina)[1]
Olin D. Johnston (D-South Carolina)
Price Daniel (D-Texas)
Harry F. Byrd (D-Virginia) [1]
A. Willis Robertson (D-Virginia)
Non-Signatories:
Albert Gore, Sr. (D-Tennessee)[1]
Estes Kefauver (D-Tennessee)[1]
Lyndon B. Johnson (D-Texas) (Senate Majority Leader at the time, Johnson was not asked to sign the document.)[1]
United States House of Representatives
Alabama:
George W. Andrews (D)
Frank W. Boykin (D)
Carl Elliott (D)
George M. Grant (D)
George Huddleston, Jr. (D)
Robert E. Jones (D)
Albert Rains (D)
Kenneth A. Roberts (D)
Armistead Selden (D)
Arkansas:
E.C. Gathings (D)
Oren Harris (D)
Brooks Hays (D)[1]
Wilbur D. Mills (D)
W.F. Norrell (D)
James William Trimble (D)
Florida:
Charles Edward Bennett (D)
James A. Haley (D)
Albert Herlong, Jr. (D)
D.R. “Billy” Matthews (D)
Paul G. Rogers (D)
Robert Sikes (D)
He does know that the bombs bursting in air was about our independence…..well maybe not.
All African Americans visiting this site, take notice that you are reading remarks posted by members of the democratic party. Please help bring attention to this truth. There is a place for you in the Republican party. John McCain is polling 24% of the black vote in Michigan. Educate yourselves. As you read posts at this site, you will realize why your ancestors were a solid republican voting block. Republicans support their black candidates. You are welcome in our party.
African Americans, look at the comments on this site. Bring your votes and your donations to the republican party. Many of you will wait until the real dems defeat Obama. Remember them. Republicans support their Black candidates. Your ancestors were well treated by the republican party. You are also welcome as many of you are people of faith. People of faith have no place in the DEMONcRAT party.
The real democratic or should I say DEMONcRAT party. Full of baby killers, sodomites, welfare leeches, racists and general dummies.
All African American with jobs and pride, please hear me. When Obama loses, come home to the republican party. This is the real democratic party. We republicans depise them. Evidence is here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1992769/posts
Blacks, this is the real democratic party. The party of “black codes” Johnson, George Wallace and the Southern manifesto.
Republicans freed the slaves and gave you your rights. The first black senators were republican. Most of the signers of the civil rights bill were republicans. Ronald Reagan appointed Colin Powell to be National security advisor. George Bush appointed a black and a black woman to be secretary of state. Dems have been killing your babies, ruining your families and putting you on the back of the bus for advancement for hundreds of years. Educate yourselves…because what you see here is the real democratic party. Never ever vote democrat again. They will betray you every time.
They will use any excuse. Read the history of the democrat party at wikipedia
I guess Roe v Wade isn’t working anymore. Let’s scare ‘em to death with Social Security.
First: they tried to terrorize women with Roe v Wade.
Now: they try to terrorize folks with SS.
What type of leader and followers use fear to get what they want?
Not leaders or followers that believe in democracy.
Q. What type of leader and followers use fear to get what they want?
A. Bush/Cheney
Ahh…let’s join hands and sing this song about hope and change. Can we do it? Yes we can!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FAoePg3fGLM
I don’t know Obama threaten riots in Denver if the DNC didn’t fudge the vote/delegates in his favor. That’s fear.
Susan, thank you for this. More references to the apparent fact that blabla will be more pro-corporate than any of his poor followers suspect. There will be no safeguard. Someone I spoke with yesterday said we’ll be protected by the good advisors he will gather- what a misdirected crock. I think we may be saved by the large bloc of elderly voters- even though they have little access to the tragedy we see unfolding, they seem to hold a good sense of what this fool is worth, which is less than nothing.
DITTO!!!!!
Susan, thank you!!! BINGO!!~
Susan! I can’t keep up with all the assigned reading. I will add, though, that Obama’s banker supporters have always had an interest in minority awards of pension fund management. The fees are incredible. They would like nothing better than to get privatized social security going.
Yeah Rezko could head it up.
Imagine the Kick-backs to The New Chicago board games DNC!
BluDawg,
I just read Tony “humble immigrant” Rezko’s letter to the judge.
Best line: “Everything I worked to build has crumbled in front of my eyes.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8
Malik Obama confirms his half-brother Barack grew up a Muslim
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12918.htm
Oh, that is JUST so SAD. Like many kids dumped by TYPICAL MALE ASSHOLES
Obama made pitiful attempts to DREAM of his FATHER…so damned sad. So pathetic.
Hoo, boy. False.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
There isn’t any reliable evidence to show that Obama was ever a Muslim.
Nice try. But the truth is even WORSE than the rumors.
Obama is a DAMAGED little boy whose arabic muslim father DUMPED his diluted BASTARD ass. So Obama, in typical male hormonal fashion has been blaming his mama and WHITES ever after for his TYPICAL black male father’s FAILINGS.
Who gives a shit whether an atheist kid joins a Muslim-leaning BLACK NATIONALIST faux Christian church or not?
Isn’t it enough that he campaigned for his “cousin” Odinga in Kenya who wanted to install Islamic rule and when he lost let his followers LOOT the nation, murdering woen and children by the thousands and destroying towns to leave 100′S OF THOUSANDS HOMELESS?? Until the president was forced to “share the power” so the murder and mayhem would cease?
THAT is Obama’s level…suck it up and GROVEL to us when you realize the fascist you support.
On your stupid ass KNEES, and BLUBBERING to show your remorse, Otherwise SUCK OUR MOST FOUL ORIFICE. And DIE.
Oh, what a bunch of crap. Seriously. What you wrote there is crap.
If you think it’s not, let’s see you produce something even remotely resembling proof.
Oh, what a bunch of crap. Seriously. What you wrote there is crap.
If you think it’s not, let’s see you produce anything even remotely resembling proof.
Truth. There’s tons of information out there that Obama WAS a Muslim as a youth, the son of a Muslim father from Kenya, and educated as one in Indonesia - he even talks about it in his own book. Why don’t you read “Princess Obama Derangement Syndrome” by Melanie Phillips writing in The Spectator - the link and article are on this site. Or check out SavagePolitics.com - there are literally dozens of sources, including OB’s Indonesian classmates (some of whom are CEO’s in Indonesia)who verify it all.
Your claim makes as much sense as saying that I’m British by virtue of having gone to school with a bunch of British kids.
Going to school with Muslims does not make one Muslim. I notice that nobody accuses him of being Catholic, even though he went to a Catholic school. Is that because you can’t raise irrational fears with accusations of Catholicism?
There’s tons of innuendo about him being a Muslim. No facts, though.
The question is when did Barry become Barrack, did he convert? And why won’t he tell us why he changed his name? Americans have the right to know these answers before we hire him.
Oh, I think you’re going to need to show that he changed his name first.
You needn’t reply if you can’t show that.
It makes more sense that he may be a Muslim since he went to a Muslim public school for a while in a country with a large Muslim population. He said he went to a Catholic school for two years, yet the records show he was enrolled as a Muslim. The school calls that a clerical error. I know he’s no Catholic.
Well, the church he attends isn’t Catholic. That’s how we know.
But it’s a church, not a mosque. Honestly, the fact that this matters so much only betrays the basic religious bigotry that exists.
His BIRTH and his FATHER “prove” he was a Muslim.
That’s Muslim law.
The faith is patrilineal. You don’t ever really leave it, either–you’re branded a “bad, bad Muslim” but you’re still in the club–like it, or not.
I find it interesting that so called LIBERAL people view Obama’s Muslim roots as something “evil” to be “debunked.” That shows you a little slice of the “neoliberal” viewpoint, doesn’t it?
There’s nothing wrong with being a Muslim. The issues arise only when you’re a LOUSY Muslim. Barack knows how to answer the call to prayer, and he can recite his Koran, too. He’s decided that it’s politically inexpedient to do so in public nowadays.
Do the math.
1. Obarky says anything to anyone to get a vote.
2. Obarky has major $$$ behind him so they expect something.
3. Hill said you’re not going to recognise the US in 15 years.
Barack Obama’s Wife Deals With Rumors
Internet rumors claimed there was a videotape of her criticizing “whitey” from a church pulpit.
http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/barack-obamas-wife-deals-with-rumors/
The Obama team better get cracking on that flag pin/national anthem explanation rumor too. It’s currenly being discussed on at least NINE THOUSAND WEBSITES.
Obamabots on the road:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAaWvVFERVA
Good for satire and a laugh.
Too funny… striking similarities with the anointed one… his follower, well…
I guess that those unwilling to follow clapping coconuts…
would be more like the Hillary holdouts.
I guess I must be a peasant! I loved their questioning of authority…and “I didn’t vote for you”…
Good find!
Thank you, but I must attribute it to my brother. He has said Hillary! before I decided.
Obama doesn’t want to be seen as “taking sides” by facing the flag of our beloved country and placing his hand over his heart in reverence to those who gave their lives for it? Tell me - if we can’t expect our president to take our side, whom can we expect to do so? I am ashamed of him and embarrassed for him.
Be ashamed of your gullibility, first.
Let’s just wrap this all up.
The anthem thing? False.
The picture? Eh. There’s plenty of photos showing him with his hand over his heart during the anthem.
Muslim? No.
Funded by Chavez? No.
The email from the missionary? Garbage.
Endorsed by the KKK? No.
Sworn in on the Koran? No, no, no.
Just go to http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp and look before believing anything you read.
Go ahead play the video of him not placing his hand over his heart during the anthem. Sure he does it now that he’s in the spotlight, but I can’t wait for this clip to be aired in 527 ads.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp
To bad you are a one source person, Acadian.
Snopes sources all of their claims. If you had read them you’d notice that.
Like I said, Acadian, you are a one source person.
Wrong. The rebuttals have multiple sources.
See, Snopes ‘aggregates’ the results. You may have to look that up.
Acadian, you really should be earning your Obama dollars by posting on all NINE THOUSAND websites currently discussing the matter. That’s a lot of work, Acadian, and it will be hard to keep up, because the rumor is being disseminated at rapid speed. Now please, be a good bot and do your job.
Ah, so when LOTS of ignorant people believe a lie, that makes it more authentic, right?
It’s a shame that you guys can’t come up with honest criticism and have to resort to the kind of shit we see here.
Acadian, that’s not the point. Are you a moron? When a rumor is diseminated at rapid speed, that’s an issue for the Obama campaign to deal with immediately. Not whenever the fuck they feel like it. Not indirectly. Not passively. Did the Obama campaign set up a website to deal with the “smears?” Well they better get cracking, cause this smear is being copied and pasted onto sites where the topic is not even politics. Deal with it.
Then go away and be with your messiah, we didn’t force you to visit this site.
No, no. I’ll continue, I think. It’s certainly educational, watching posters here recoil from facts like Dracula confronted with a picture window.
Snopes says it’s true Obama doesn’t place his hand over his heart during the national anthem.
No, Snopes doesn’t say that at all. In fact, they have pictures of him doing what you say he doesn’t do.
Cat got your tongue ?
So that video of him with his hands cupping his crotch instead of one of them over his heart was an accident right?
Just because you say it is so doesn’t make it so, we believe what we see and hear with our eyes and ears. Obama is a menace to society, we must uncover his deceit before it is too late.
Arcadian how much do the obamaians pay you? It must be nice to be able to sit on your a** all day and save your messiah from the little people like us. If he is such a slam dunk why does he have to pay people like you to visit anti-bama websites, I thought we were irrelevant and you don’t need our votes, according to the devil Brazille. Go back to hole you crawled out of, you are never going to change our minds about your messiah.
Nobama Ever!
Yep, there’s some more of the usual reply.
“Oh, noes! Someone is disagreeing with me so I shall say they are being paid by that meeeeeean ol’ Obama and then I shall say it AGAIN with different words and then I shall use a predictable and worn out slogan!”
Whatevs.
Someone is bound to say it. Take it as a compliment that they think you’re heartless, ugly and cynical instead of just plain stupid.
It’s not that someone is bound to say it. On this site, it seems that damn near EVERYONE says it to the exclusion of anything else.
One hesitates to use the term ‘echo chamber’, but for how long?
Acadian —
Back from your coffee break at Obama Central?
Hey — does he order in arugala salads for his paid blog trolls?
I hope so.
You guys need some roughage in your diet since you’re so full of ……..
IF YOU THINK IT IS A JOKE…GO TO hcsfjm.com….YOU WILL BE STUNNED BY THE ACTUAL VIDEOS AND COMMENTS THAT ARE THERE..AND NO I DON’T THINK IT IS A JOKE…HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTERS FOR JOHN MCCAIN..THOUSANDS AND GROWING
I looked at that site, and what I was stunned by was the sheer atrocity of the design and construction. Geez, warn a guy next time.
So the design and construction is wrong, what about the CONTENT?
Well, the content is fine for Hillary supporters who don’t mind sacrificing their principles and voting for McCain, who is far away from Hillary’s position on pretty much every major point.
And so is Obama.
No, that’s not so. Their voting records are practically identical.
Obama made sure he didn’t have a voting record!
Gee, it’s funny that I was able to look it up, isn’t it?
That’s something you haven’t even tried, right?
How the hell can we tell where he stands on anything when he votes present all the time and votes with Cheney on energy bills and votes to keep funding the war?
Just as Hillary did. She voted to fund the war several times as well. Do you claim to know where she stands?
She voted for the war to begin with and never apologized for it. Obama made a speech then showed up on the Hill and voted like Hillary, attacking her as “Bush / Cheney Lite” while he is on record as having made an astonishing number of butt-kissing statements like he and Bush had the same strategy on the war.
Excuse me, but I meant that Obama is more like McCain than Hillary.
Nope. Not even close.
I will agree here. The reason Hillary’s more centrist supporters prefer McCain is that the two share more in common than her and Obama who is considered far left.
I would say not voting for an unqualified candidate might constitute a principle.
Arcadian is not even worth engaging, he is brainwashed.
Yes, that page represents a true grassroots movement. It was constructed by a someone unfamiliar to you… a long time Democrat who happens to know more than what a party tries to spoon feed him.
Maybe the rubber in the AstroTurf you play on has made everything a bit too polished for your superior sensibilities… Hmm, I would wonder about that.
Good thing I’m not a Democrat, then, isn’t it? I just know how to look things up and separate the facts from the fearmongering.
That’s a skill that seems to be in short supply in the US nowadays.
Yes, Acadian, that brownshirt should fit you fine until you know what it represents. Try all resources before you decide.
Ooooh, you found me out! Yes, I am indeed one of the Sturmabteilung! Quick, somebody find me a nice fat baby to eat!
Seriously, though; you telling me that I need to try all resources would be funny if it weren’t sadly ironic.
The great thing about this campaign is how people who are not tech-savvy or usually politically active are becoming involved. He called the site poorly constructed; that does not detract from the message. These voters are trying to keep up on the issues. It is because they feel marginalized by the media.
Considering that his top ten contributors include Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan and Lehman, and considering he gave his economic speech on Wall Street, I hardly think that privatizing social security isn’t on his mind.
But you know what? Young people think that’s cool. So let THEM have it. WHen they get a few decades older, they will be slapping their own foreheads when they figure out whose taking their profits. Serves them right.
Obama wants payroll tax on incomes above $250,000
Jun 13 02:28 PM US/Eastern
By CHARLES BABINGTON
Associated Press Writer
http://tinyurl.com/5vglnk
0buma economics, YOU MAKE THE MONEY, THEN WE’LL EAKE IT OFF YOUR HANDS!
Obama wants payroll tax on incomes above $250,000
Jun 13 02:28 PM US/Eastern
By CHARLES BABINGTON
Associated Press Writer
http://tinyurl.com/5vglnk
0buma economics, YOU MAKE THE MONEY, THEN WE’LL TAKE IT OFF YOUR HANDS!
He wants to raise Capital Gain tax to 25% for everybody. Doesn’t matter if you have a savings account, some saving stocks, small or large investor. It affects everybody. Very bad idea. The middle class guy gets the same neck knife as the rich guy.