ABC News: “Danger Signs” for Obama
By medusa on June 17, 2008 at 2:50 PM in ABC News, Bamboozling, Barack Obama, Gender Bias, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Older voters, women
While the question of how Barack Obama became the Democratic Party’s presumptive nominee has many of us speculating, his candidacy for president is being questioned by voters outside of the party. His lack of experience stands out more vividly, now that Hillary Clinton, the Democratic candidate with experience and know-how, has dropped out:
Obama faces an additional problem that only half of the voters saying he has the necessary experience to be president.
“If you look at the key question of experience, that may be what’s holding him back,” Stephanopoulos said. “Only 50 percent of voters say that Barack Obama has the experience to be president. A full 46 percent say, no, he doesn’t have the experience . . . That’s one of the reasons they are going on the foreign trips.”
According to the same ABC News today, Obama did not get the traditional bounce in the polls after “defeating” Hillary Clinton and receiving her endorsement:
No Bounce, Resistance from Clinton Supporters
Apparently, Obama claims that his lack of bounce is due to McCain getting a free pass from the media. ABC sees the humor in this:
During the primary,”John McCain basically was getting a pass, both from the media . . . as well as from other opponents. And so I think that explains it,” said Obama of the close race. It is an ironic accusation from Obama.
Contrary to certain pundits (if we consider Frank Rich a pundit), Obama’s biggest problem comes from convincing women to vote for him. And not just former Hillary supporters:
Women, particularly married white women, however, may be a problem for Obama, according to the Washington Post/ABC poll. It showed that McCain has a 20 point advantage over Obama among married white women, a group that George Bush also won in the last two presidential elections.
As we know, Obama’s most loyal group of supporters are the young, many of whom are first-time voters. But these voters are not reliable, and the Obama campaign knows it. Moreover, older voters, who make going to the polls a priority, create another problem for him:
While Obama runs well among younger voters, they are not always reliable when it comes to showing up at the polls. Meanwhile, he is 12 points behind McCain among the more reliable older voters
Adding to Obama’s woes, former Hillary supporters are not flocking to him now, as he claimed they would early in the primary. Elections are won and lost with the votes of women:
In addition, nearly a quarter of Clinton’s voters are holding back on their support, according to the ABC News/Washington Post poll. ”If that number stays that high, it will be difficult for Barack Obama to win,” Stephanopoulos said.
Yes, this is what we’ve been saying, isn’t it?
PUMA!!!
http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/1009060,CST-NWS-sweet17.article
From the June 17 Chicago Sun Times about Patti Solis Doyle,
More information for those who might think Patti may have been a mole or agent provocateur inside the Hillary campaign.
I don’t want Hillary to be BO’s VP, but appointing Solis Doyle to that post is BO’s way of saying that Hillary is out of the VP list and one way also of saying that all the while he got one over Hillary right at the start. maybe he was laughing. But we’ll see who will have the biggest laugh. You see, how mean, crabby, and cruel he is. And that Solis-Doyle. She could have not accepted Hillary’s appointment if she liked Obama more. Money talks!!!
She could have not accepted Hillary’s appointment if she liked Obama more.
It’s not a matter of “liking”. Business is business, and politics in Chicago is like Cold War spy intrigue.
More from the Washington post
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/06/16/clinton_insiders_take_umbrage.html?hpid=topnews
It’s looking more and more like Solis Doyle was an obama “plant” in the campaign of HRC, designed to bring her down.
Patti Solis Doyle is a TRAITOR!!!
From the same paper, May 22, 2007
Patti has a second brother, one with “lucrative city and Soldier Field contracts.
Danny Solis and brother Santiago
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/showcase/chi-0206270221jun27,0,3548145,full.story?coll=chi-newsspecials-hed
A very interesting article, more than the words above.
how could hillary have hired this woman. clearly she has ties to the daly machine going way back. trust her? yeah with a uzi under my arm and bullet proof vest on.
Second PUMA!
And also, “no sh*t!”
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/06/hillary-clinton-loudly-booed-at-obama.html
b-bb-bbut they’re UNIIIITERS!(tm)
jus like Shrub.
Apparently the Obama pukes know that Hillary is still a threat.
“Keep it classy” is right! Those Obama followers are just like their leader.
PUMA!!! Donkey kick to Dean!
Donkey meat for a hungry PUMA!
PUMA, indeed, but this WHINING from Obama is just too effin’ funny:
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During the primary,”John McCain basically was getting a pass, both from the media . . . as well as from other opponents. And so I think that explains it,” said Obama of the close race. It is an ironic accusation from Obama.
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So, white women are a problem, hm?
Besides my PUMA shirt I want one with a white….poodle, or some canine, on it…and the words: “A Problem, and Proud of it!”
“In addition, nearly a quarter of Clinton’s voters are holding back on their support, according to the ABC News/Washington Post poll.”
Does anyone else think that Obama knows that that 25% of us are too smart to be fooled by his crap, and that’s why he won’t truly be bothered with attempting to win us over?
What fools…how blind are people? We just went through the SAME crap with Bush.
Everytime I read something like this, all I can think is how much a I don’t want him trying to win me over. He can’t and I assume he knows it. He cannot erase 20 years in that church, he cannot add real experience. End of story.
In regards to Sen. Obama’s experience and record, you can look up information for yourselves, but if you can’t, I will do you that one favor and post some of the accomplishments of Senator Obama. Of the 15 bills Senator Obama sponsored or co-sponsored in 2005-7 that became law: Two addressed foreign policy: Promote relief, security and democracy in the Congo (2125) Develop democratic institutions in areas under Palestinian control (2370). Three addressed public health: Improve mine safety (2803) Increased breast cancer funding (597) Reduce preterm delivery and complications, reduce infant mortality (707). Two addressed openness and accountability in government: Strengthening the Freedom of Information Act (2488) Full disclosure of all entities receiving federal funds (2590) Two addressed national security Extend Terrorist Risk Insurance (467) Amend the Patriot Act (2167) One addressed the needs of the Armed Forces Wave passport fees to visit graves, attend memorials/funerals of veterans abroad (1184).
I want to see the REAL ILLINOIS SENATE RECORDS. All of them. ALL. OF. THEM. And his medical records. I’ve seen cereal boxes with more substance.
spare, please. heard too much bs about his accomplishments. thereäs just no there there.
you are frigging hilarious.
Havoc,how about IN HIS OWN WORDS:
In Obama’s own words Pay close attention to the last comment!! Below are a few lines from Obama’s books. His own words: From Dreams of My Father: ‘I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.’ From Dreams of My Father : ‘I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mothers race.’ From Dreams of My Father: ‘There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.’ From Dreams of My Father: ; ‘It remained necessary to prove which side you were on , to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.’ From Dreams of My Father: ‘I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa , that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.’ From Audacity of Hope: ‘I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift”
RED FLAG: WARNING: DANGER AHEAD:”I WILL STAND WITH THE MUSLIMS, SHOULD THE POLITICAL WINDS SHIFT.” PLS. WAKE-UP, AMERICA!!!
HAvoc.
Google “Obama Jones” and you’ll see Obama was handed those bills after other people worked on them for years.
Obama got credit for their work because Jones assigned it to him so he could “pump up his resume” for his run in the US Senate.
Doesn’t it strike you as odd that Mr. 200-plus present votes, in the last year of his 4 year tenue in Illinois, suddenly gets credit for all these bills.
Hmmmm.
Yeh, he’s a big fan of protecting our rights, like his lack of a stand on retroactive release of telecoms for 1st ammendment violations ?- or maybe his lack of calling even one meeting of the crucial Afghanistan committee where he was given the Chairman’ job? And then there’s his YES vote on the Bush Cheney energy bill. Goes with his energy crisis solution #1: Stop driving SUVs. Duh
I think you should go to the Washington Post online record of baby boy’s votes since in the Senate to get your facts straight. Sounds like someone downloaded on you - with a list of every possible legislation that was going on around him, to which he could claim credit, not even requiring if it passed - That’s pretty much his pattern, guess you didn’t know.
“As we know, Obama’s most loyal group of supporters are the young, many of whom are first-time voters.”
Do we know that? It’s a common narrative for politicians, particularly Democratic ones, to claim excitement in youth for their candidacy.
But what I have seen and heard about like campus excitement, B. Clinton, even Ronald Reagan, stirred up more excitement.
From the young people I know, yes — it’s true. The under 30 set put him where his is. (Unless you count Dean, Pelosi and Brazille).
4.5 million votes is not something that can easily be dismissed. 4 % point can easily cost the election for BHO. Especially when the number could be unevenly distributed over a few swing states.
Gee. Even Dukakis has a 17 point bounce! But then again, women weren’t ticked off at him.
Well, he didn’t denigrate them like TEAM OBAMA does. Dukakis got respect from women because he gave it.
For whatever his weaknesses, it was plain he loved and respected his wife. And I never heard the Duke call anyone “Sweetie.”
I attended a presentation given by Dukakis on health care at our university a few years ago. He did a great job, really knew his stuff. Makes me think the DNC just cannot figure out how to run winning campaigns. Wonder if DONNA BRAZILE was Dukakis’ campaign manager?
The bounce was after the convention. Have we had conventions yet?
Dean is really lucky they don’t do a poll about him.
Well leave it to us women…to ruin the party LMAO!!
Turn around is fair play. There’s something about truisms in life, like that scorn woman thingy..
NOBAMA!
I’m a guy here, sister…:)
It’s not just women..trust me.
More men and women the merrier, brother:-)
All aboard the NOBAMA train..YeeeHaaa!!!
NOBAMA!
the worst insult coming from the Obama camp is the blue balls video. it implies that all WHITE men vote with their penis, not their heads.
can you give me a source? i’d like to see it.
It’s a video at http://www.stop-obama.org/
It’s the video under Juanita’s commentary entitled: NEED MORE REASONS.
Can anybody say McGovern?
I will enjoy watching the election in November when McCain sweeps all 50 states. Americans don’t elect presidents with strong terrorist connections or that degrade their patriotism. We might put up with corruption and stupidity in our presidents - sadly, but the buck stops at anything anti-American.
Obama will carry IL…..
Who could doubt it with the corrupt Chicago machine running the elections in the biggest section of the state?
Worst of all is the relocation of the political and field operations of the DNC, from DC to CHICAGO!! Ordered by the boss! Whatmore, the replacement of key DNC officials by BHO’s advisers.Howard (Coward) Dean’s job remain intact.I wonder why.(slime)
maybe a thunderous cook county win of 4.5 billion votes will win the election. *snark’
Don’t you mean all 57 states?
I hope you are right… With the sleeze, spin, propoganda machine of chicago and obama, I am not too sure. People can only judge by what they see and hear about. (I know this for a fact). There is a LARGE contingent of voters who only have the filtered crap on MSM to go by and who don;t see all the ‘details’. We have seen this thru out the primary! I’m waiting (and hoping they would hurry up and start!), the GOP vetting of obarky! I want to see them cut him off at his skinny little knees and take that vicious vile woman-thing in black with him!
By the way, can anyone defend McCain remarks the other day that it is “not too important” when troops come home from Iraq, as long as casualties stay low? The fact is, as long as they are patrolling the streets of Iraq, they are in danger. Troop deaths are down, but 4100 Americans have died over there now. Almost 1000 since the Surge. Plus, these guys are on there 3,4 or 5th tour of duty. McCain doesn’t get it on Iraq. Barack Obama opposed this War from the start. Unlike Hillary, unlike McCain. Read his 2002 speech against the War.
Hey Danny boy, this is an anti-Obama blog. You need to find the McCain blog..no points for you today little bot.
C-ya!
NOBAMA
Take it easy on Daniel. He can’t help it. He’s been programmed. It takes a strong mind not to fall pray to the controlling one. Daniel is weak. Forgive him. Just throw him a bone, and maybe he’ll go away.
Did I say “pray to the controlling one”? Obviously I meant prey. But Prayer IS what Daniel needs. Since he seems to be worshipping the wrong “god”.
Obama had no intelligence before the war. In 2004 he said if he had been forced to vote he didn’t know how he would have voted. And that was still before he had any intelligence access. Hillary voted after giving a very pointed speech that it was a vote for authorizing force only as a last result. Read her speech and find out the truth, not Obama’s BS version of the truth.
http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html
Based on the information she had, and not KNOWING that the Bush administration had manufactured false intel and buried contrary intel, she made the right decision. And she’s the only Democrat who’s had the courage to stand by that decision rather than run from it like Kerry and Edwards. She did it because based on what the intel showed, it was necessary.
As far as McCain’s remarks, he was referring to the fact that we maintain troops in theater even after hostilities have ended. We still have 60,000 in Germany, around 45,000 in Japan and they have been maintained at nearly the same level since WWII. Even Obama has plans to leave approx 60,000 in Iraq, but along with it he wants to have thousands of private security agents from Blackwater, at $1,200 per day!
Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
P.U.M.A.
Thank you for posting the text of that speech. No one ever believes me when I tell them what she said. She did NY proud that day, and it makes my blood boil every time Obama or his supporters try to pull that crap about supporting the war.
Thanks again for the link!!
If you support McWar you are NOT a Democrat and every sick un-insured baby should rest on your conscience.
Gee it must have taken the collective brains of all Obamatons to come up with this new idea for winning over Clinton supporters. Here’s a question for you on uninsured children. How much would the parent of an uninsured child pay at the “non-profit” hospital Muchelle Obama worked at?
*Jeopardy tune*
Times up!
And the answer is 3 1/2 times as much as a patient WITH insurance for the exact same care! I hope that $200,000 raise she got immediately following Obama’s appointment to the US Senate was worth destroying the lives of all those poor people in Illinois!
Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
P.U.M.A.
yeah baby!!!
Yeah, Obama voted to cut off funding for the war. Wait a minute, you mean Mr. I’m Against the Iraq War voted to continue the funding, and now he’s saying he’ll depend on the military leaders to tell him what should be done about the war. You mean he’s not going to call for an immediate withdrawal; maybe Mr. Changey is hoping we won’t notice his bobbing and weaving technique.
Daniel,
5000 black american men lost their lives due to violent crime in the year 2005 only. We have fought a war in Iraq since 2003(that is 5 years) and fortunately we have only lost 4000 soldiers(I wish we had lost none).
Just wanted to give you some perspective. By the way I was against the war before Bush went in and I am a republican.
McCain was RIGHT on the surge, Barack was WRONG!
One fact has nothing to do with the other, WTH is wrong with you?
You make decisions based on this kind of shit reasoning?
I’m apologize, I didn’t mean to be vituperative, calling you a stupid asshole, but the facts of the 5000 dad in Iraq are NOT comparable to the murder rate, in America.
At least not in the way you intended, your comment struck me as wishful thinking, and with so much at stake, truth is paramount.
Two different dynamics are at play, the causation different, so the NUMBER of deaths should not in any way shape or form indicate the EFFECTS of the war.
It is bankrupting the US, period.
David, thank you. I have not said that, but I agree.
Totally
I opposed the war too Daniel. Can I be President?
LOL!!! I did, too. Can I be your V.P.? But please let me pick my own chief of staff.
Oh Daniel, please take your koolaide adled obamazoid self off somewhere and quietly have biblical knowledge of yourself? Stupid is such a little word to discribe such a VAST wasteland between your ears.
look if you feel you need to drink obama brew, try it with lemonade. that’s what all the kool kids do. you youngsters drinking that koolaid look silly to be honest.
We’ll all be ROFL when you find out that Obama doesn’t give a crap about the troops in Iraq, or anywhere. Don’t be so gullible.
Daniel, dollhead, you’re laboring under the assumption that Obama will bring the men and women home. HE WILL NOT. We cannot pull out of Iraq. That’s why we built permanent bases there. Read up on it — you’ll see.
Not to mention that Obama only wants to move them to Afghanistan — you know — that country whose committee Obama chairs and has NEVER HELD A MEETING of? Obama intends that BLACKWATER and other mercenaries will pick up the slack! Daniel needs to pull his head out of his ass. Unless he likes the echo?
Barack Obama opposed this War from the start
Why then did vote consistently to fund it?
Why has he changed his position at least three times?
Please do not expose your ignorance this way, it does you a dis-service.
Thomas Jefferson
Why don’t YOU read Hillary’s speech when she gave her vote? Educate YOURSELF!
In case your not aware of it Obama is not going to end the war, he might pull some troops out and give more power to BLACKWATER like we need that
Daniel, Obama’s speech was a no lose situation for him. If the war went well no one would have even noticed the speech and he certainly would not have referred to it. If it was noticed all he had to say was that he did not have the same intelligence that the Congress did because he was not in a position to vote for it.(double entendre there?) If the war went badly, then he could toot the horn as he has been doing. The point is that all the Senators and House members were making their decisions about the vote based on information they were given. They are not mind readers. If your boy was so anti-war then he would have been voting his conscience (if he has one) and not voting yes to every Iraq spending bill that was presented in the Senate. If his 2002 speech is the sole basis to vote for him then I should be President because I bored my family to tears giving all the reasons an invasion was a bad idea, mostly based on historical facts not emotion based rethoric. The guy does not have the experience. He is so interested in foreign afairs that he can’t find the time to call even one meeting of a sub-committee he is chairman of on NATO and Afganistan. He has put forth a bill to spend 800+ billion in Africa, where aid usually ends up in the pockets of despots rather than the people. He campaigned for his cousin in Kenya who wants to make Kenya a terrorist haven where no other government can have a terrorist extradited, no matter the crime. Judgement and knowledge are not his strong suits. He can’t develop his own platform, he waits until others have established theirs and then tweaks it and takes it as his own so that it looks like they are alike on issues. If you think that he will have the military out of Iraq after 16 months smoothly and without incident you do not know much about logistics. Has he answered the question about what to do about the 300,000 international aid workers that are there? How will they then be protected? Or maybe you don’t care. How about the Sunnis that have helped the coalition forces? What happens when the slaughter starts? Will you wring your hands and say, ‘well they deserved it’, like the good Rev Wright says we deserved 9/11? Maybe you just like the word ‘change’. Everything is just wrong, so change it. Well as one who has lived through many political seasons and a multitude of those using the slogan ‘change’ I can tell you that the only things that change are the players and the location. And come to think about it Obama even used someone elses campaign slogans. Here in Massachusetts, Deval Patrick, who’s campaign manager was David Axelrod, used “CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN” and “YES WE CAN!” in his 2005 run for Governor. NOTHING has changed, except the player. Obama wasn’t even original in his campaign slogans. lol
I live in Massachusetts, too. And I can’t understand why, given what voters here now know about David Axelrod’s previous protege, Governor Patrick, Senator Obama still polls way ahead of Senator McCain here.
Me either. One can only hope that those polled are only saying that but will not in Nov. Additionally, I am always a bit suspicious of polls since they take a rather small sample relative to a large population; ie, 1000 polled out of a potential pool of, say, 1,000,000. (I don’t know how many registered voters there are in MA). It also depends on the geographic area they polled in. Eastern MA can be a different voting demographic than Western MA.
But he never said he would withdraw the troops.
Unless there’s a new video out in which he denies denying that he ever said he would withdraw the troops.
Jeez…this is like shooting fish in a barrel.
yeah, i can defend it.
he was saying that we still have troops in germany, we still have troops in japan, we still have troops in korea.
the difference is, those troops are not fired upon.
that was the point, moron. next?
Daniel was assigned his McCain talking points for the day,.
If he doesn’t post them on his quota of blogs, he won;t get his minimum wage from the Obama camps deposited in his paypal account.
I learned from other boards, among likely voters of this ABCNews poll, McCain actually has a one-point lead, 48% to 47% Obama…
June polls are useless though. McCain will kill dems on offshore drilling.
I dont think so.
It’s almost as if there is the Obama fantasy crowd then the Republican fantasy crowd, it’s breathtaking in it’s inability to accurately assess information, and understand implications.
Simply breathtaking.
I was reading some excerpts today from high level meetings between generals and such which had occurred during Vietnam, and the same conditions exist today, but the actors are even weaker, here.
A concern was if the US lost, it would be viewed as weak, unmanly, it’s reputation mangled. This was in 1965.
But they had no solution, same as today, they have no clue how to deal with the chaos they see, no clue how to solve the problem, except throwing more gas on the issues, or some cockamamie plan to start civil wars, or other such pentagon nonsense.
They thought in terms of simplistic violence, their own egos, first. How could they let a kook lead psychological operations, see a problem there, a man who can’t see through his own curtains?
Other than that, it’s buptkus, though I do think Gates is smart enough to grasp the greater implications.
Reading the ideas of the generals through those documents, they were completely out of touch, completely paranoid, and not fighting the good fight, but fighting their egos and personal fears, some very very bad officers in terms of skill, and personality adjustment.
Clinton, like Kennedy, and others before her, grasps the issue, KNOWS how to start building a foundation.
It’s a wash, until they get the independent, intelligent republican or democrat back…
This should have read, “for example, how could they let a kook lead psychological operations, say, bombing cambodia as a form of psychological warfare, say, as opposed to a truly tactical move…”
FOR INSTANCE…
Ditto for me. I think I was “breathtaking” too in my 20s. LOL*
Truly, I look back and wince. I defend Michelle even oh her thesis because I still can remember some of my own great thoughts at that age.
yeah, the green convention. biking to the convention looking like a bunch of dufuses. reminds of of the nightmare that was houston for the repubs
is whole foods catering? don’t get me wrong, i like whole foods. i trade there all the time. i just don’t throw it in people’s faces the way the obamas do.
Know Obama
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Check it out
http://WWW.OBAMA-WIRE.COM
Do you want this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLQGWpRVA7o
This is the Karl Rove wedgie all over again (the real danger to Obama): “In a conference call with reporters, McCain adviser Randy Scheunemann said Tuesday: “Senator Obama is a perfect manifestation of a September 10th mind-set. …” What about the pre 9/11 Republican mind set that allowed for the 9/11 security breach in the first place along with the end of any semblance of “expertise” on terrorist group op capabilities and motivation?
This blog really is getting ridiculous. Obama won, fair and square. He won more states, more votes, more delegates. And he wasn’t for the War at the beginning, like Hillary. Now, he’s up in all the polls. He’s even leading in Virginia! He leads comfortably in Ohio and Penn. Remember, if he wins the Kerry states + Ohio, he is our President. Which will upset the angry Hillary supporters, the racists, and the Republicans.
Ohio = no chance for Obama.
Second that emotion. Ohio will go Repug this year (it’s a damn shame!) I deal with down ticket Dems and they are all pissed that it’s going to be much more of a dogfight for them now that Barry the Wonderkind is the nominee. Not only do they expect no coat tails to ride on, they expect reaction AGAINST them for being Dems!
Hey everyone..is this the best talking point they have now, Fair and Square?
Stealing votes
suppressing votes
illegal votes
stuffing caucuses
calling in results 6 hrs late
illegal campaigning
electioneering
and then theres the DNC…
We’ll see how Fair and Square works in November.
PUMA
Wow, talk about anger. HE WON. He won more votes, twice as many states, a ton more delegates. Get over it sweetie.
Don’t stroll with a troll,
you might fall in their hole.