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Kobe, R. Kelly…Obama?

I am a major contributor at DoneDems.com. “DONE” stands for “Democrats Over Nominating Elitists.”


Once again, I am in the minority. While I stood and still stand as a member of the 18 million strong majority of Hillary Clinton’s supporters, I represent an infinitesimal minority as a member of the less than 10% of African Americans who did not vote for Senator Obama. In this peculiar, yet familiar position, I find myself reflecting on the current state of race relations as it applies to the candidacy of Senator Barack Obama.

I have been shocked and saddened by the leeway and passes, concerning transgressions no non-black person would be permitted, that the black community, by and large, has given to Senator Obama, all in the name of “the struggle” (read: getting him elected). He has been allowed to blatantly discriminate against religious and ethnic groups.

Had it been McCain or Hillary doing the same to African Americans, there would have been outrage, and justifiably so. However, too many brushed it aside as “something he has to do to get elected.”

Senator Obama was allowed to defame the black church by conflating it with the racist rants of Rev. Wright in order to save his political career, and the majority of the black community acquiesced, some nodding their heads, others looking the other way.

Senator Obama has been allowed to ignore our community on several occasions.

A few of us got upset and spoke out, but were quickly silenced with threats and intimidation. I’m sure we all remember how Tavis Smiley spoke his mind:

And then, this happened:

Tavis Smiley, the bestselling author of the “Covenant With Black America,” is in a world turned upside down. He said he’s being “hammered,” “barbecued,” and is “catching hell” from black Americans for suggesting that Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) made a major mistake by declining to speak at the State of the Black Union event that Smiley plans to host next week in New Orleans.

“There’s all this talk of hater, sellout and traitor,” Smiley said to me in a telephone interview. Smiley even mentioned getting death threats, but wouldn’t elaborate. He said his office has been flooded with angry e-mails. “I have family in Indianapolis. They are harassing my momma, harassing my brother. It’s getting to be crazy,” Smiley said.

For Smiley, the tumult is a major turnabout. Until now he was a darling commentator in black America. His passion for the people endeared him to many. People listened to his commentaries on the popular Tom Joyner Morning Show, and snapped up so many copies of the “Covenant” that it made the top ten lists of the both the New York Times and the Washington Post. When Smiley talked, black people listened.

“One of my friends said, ‘you are being barbecued in the blogosphere,’” Smiley said. He told Black America Web writer Michael Cottman’s that “I’m catching hell.” In our interview, Smiley said: “This is the first time in my entire career that I have found myself in this kind of relationship with some folk in black America. I now know what it feels like to have the weight of the Internet world bearing down on you. Man, it’s an eye opener when you get caught in the middle of it.”

In the same breath, Tavis Smiley, a man who has endeared himself to our community and worked and spoken out on our behalf, is called a sell out for not unquestioningly supporting Senator Obama, a man we hardly know, who’s “credentials” with the black community pale in comparison, but Obama is praised and passionately protected for essentially selling us all out to get elected. Something isn’t adding up.

Currently, I believe too many of us in the black community are painting Senator Obama as someone and something he is not. Senator Obama is not a champion of the black community. I’m hard pressed to find one African American supporter of Senator Obama that can name one thing he has done for the black community, other than give a speech or two (for his own political gain) and run for president. None of which have anything to do with us as a community.

I’ve heard African Americans say, “Well, he’s trying to achieve Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream.” This, to me, is the ultimate disrespect and perversion of Dr. King’s dream.

Dr. King didn’t march, suffer abuse, get arrested and die so that Barack Obama, or any person of color for that matter, could be president. Dr. King was not so shortsighted. He fought for equality, for equal opportunity, so that all would be judged “not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.” Dr. King fought so that if a woman or man of any color or creed were worthy and deserving of the presidency, then they would not be denied due to ignorance and prejudice.

Today, too many African Americans are simply judging Barack Obama by the color of his skin, and not by the content of his character, much less the depth of his achievements and length of his resumé.

There is no need to pretend that this is not the case for many (not all), for when we are in “friendly” company, the truth comes out. One woman looked me in the eye and said, point blank, “I’m voting for Obama because he is black. Why shouldn’t I? I’ve been voting for white men all my life.”

A friend of mine apparently had an African American male at a restaurant tell her, “A vote for anyone else is a vote for slavery. Obama ‘09 [sic]!” I know black Republicans who vehemently disagree with Obama on all policy issues, but are voting for him and have the audacity to chastise me for not supporting Obama and claim I’m “forgetting the movement.” That many of us feel this way is sad, yet understandable, but not tolerable.

If voting for Senator Obama isn’t about race, why have I been called an “Uncle Tom”? Why have I been called a “race traitor”? Why have I been called a “house n*gger”? Why is the harshest treatment of “dissenters” reserved for those of us of similar pigmentation to Senator Obama? It’s best we are honest with ourselves.

For all of the racism (yes, that is what it is) festering within the black community, the paranoia surrounding non-black racism (termed such because Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans, Jews, etc. are being rampantly accused of racism as well. “White racism” does not begin to encompass the range of accusations) has reached fever pitch.

Many are and have been arguing that calling Senator Obama inexperienced is racism; recalling the truths that many of us believe that we must and often do have to be twice as qualified, if not more, than white candidates in order to be chosen for the same position. Academic studies bare out the truth of this, and the same truth for women of all colors competing against men.

Too many claim, loudly and directly, that any person, who is not African American who chooses not to support Senator Obama does so primarily due to racism. Yes, there are individuals who will not vote for Senator Obama because he is half African, but there are also people who refused to vote for Senator Clinton because she was female, and there are still some who will refuse to vote for Senator McCain because of his age (African Americans are not the sole targets of oppression). But these people do not make up the majority of voters. The majority of them voted for Senator Clinton, not against Senator Obama and vice versa.

Most importantly, for the overwhelming majority of those who did not vote for Senator Obama in the primary, and for those who will not do so in November, racism was not and will not be a factor.

I have written all of this because I believe we are at an important impasse. The way our community, and the American citizenry at large proceeds from now on will determine the trajectory of race, gender and generational relations for decades to come. I have thought for a long time about how to express an empathy but also a gutteral disagreement with the aforementioned sentiments as they apply to Senator Obama.

During my thoughts, my mind stumbled upon a memory of an episode of one of my favorite political satires, The Boondocks. The particular episode deals chiefly with R. Kelly, the allegations against him, and the reaction of the black community. As R. Kelly has recently been acquitted on all counts of child pornography, this episode holds even more relevance for the current time. Moreover, I find humor is often the best way to deliver the toughest message.

[Disclaimer: The Boondocks is a show aimed at political commentary and social satire of race relations, specifically as they apply to the black community, seen through the eyes of some in the black community. As such, while the following clip contains some offensive language, it should be viewed through the lens of satire and critique. Also, at roughly 2:00 in the video, it seems the original uploader has inserted music that is not original to the episode. Please disregard it.

Lastly, I will not respond to claims of “racism,” concerning the video clip, in the comments (as a black woman, frankly, I am tired of them, and am fully capable of recognizing and critiquing racism when I see, exhibit or experience it). If you can’t handle political satire, perhaps you should not be on the internet.]

For me, Huey’s speech (the young man with afro), beginning at 2:21, is the part I find most relevant and most in sync with my current viewpoints regarding Senator Obama and how many in the black community view him. Huey’s speech is as follows:

“What the hell is wrong with you people?!? Every famous n*gga that gets arrested is not Nelson Mandela. Yes, the government conspires to put a lot of innocent black men in jail on fallacious charges, but R. Kelly is not one of those men. We all know the n*gga can sing.

But what happened to standards? What happened to bare minimums? You a fan of R. Kelly? You wanna help R. Kelly? Then get some counseling for R. Kelly! Introduce him to some older women. Hide his camcorder. But don’t pretend like the man is a hero…and stop the damn dancing! Act like you got some G*d damn sense, people! Damn! I’m through playing around here!”

Huey, as our protagonist, speaks truth to power. I believe his general sentiment can be translated to the current situation within the black community regarding Senator Obama and his candidacy.

Every black man that runs for office is not a saint, nor a victim. It is not our responsibility as African Americans to vote for him, protect him from legitimate criticism, or turn a blind eye to his glaring short comings because of a coincidence of pigmentation. Yes, there is racism in our society.

Yes, many African Americans and other ethnic minorities, as well as women, have been qualified for positions, only to be told to work harder as they were passed over for a white, or younger, or male (or all three) lesser experienced individual. Yes, the United States Federal Government, state governments, and local governments, have propagated injustices, and continue to propagate injustices against African Americans.

Yes, many, including Republicans and Democrats have used dirty tricks, back room deals, and racism as a weapon against a plethora of candidates, black, white, female and male, robbing them of their ability to achieve and to serve.

But Senator Barack Obama is not one of those candidates. We all know the man is a decent public speaker. We all know he is the first candidate of color to come this close to attaining the presidency.

“But what happened to standards? What happened to bare minimums?” If you are a supporter of Senator Obama, and want to help him, then instruct him to go back to the Senate for a few years, at least serve his first term, and gain some experience. Introduce him to some non-radical non-domestic terrorist, non-racist and non-anti-semitic preachers, and non-convicted on 16 of 24 counts of corruption friends! Help him form a platform and a record, and teach him not to change his position on an issue every time he goes to a new state or switches from primary to general election mode. But do not pretend like he is above reproach, a saint, or a messiah. And stop covering up for him or threatening and intimidating those who disagree with you. He is a politician!

And please, stop the chanting and fainting. It’s creepy.

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Comment by typical.white.person | 2008-06-23 17:16:48

 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-06-23 17:21:28

GOOD ARTICLE. THANKS.

Comment by Zee | 2008-06-23 18:32:37

Damn! Awesome, iam0nly1

 

Comment by Betty | 2008-06-23 18:46:41

Comment by blkmn(real) HRC supporter | 2008-06-23 19:04:04

THANK YOU!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!! iam0nly1

 
 

Comment by Nellie | 2008-06-23 18:59:56

Iamonly1,

Superb article and thanks for coming here and posting this. You must be a person of wisdom and courage, as others have let us know of the pressure on AA’s who do not bow before “The One”.

I am saddened that 40 years later, the skin color is more important than the content of character.

As Red Dragon points out below, Obama has IGNORED AA’s and in specific instances actually hurt them. Obama has no loyalty to anyone other than the Corporate types who fund him. For Obama he is the ONLY person in his universe who matters, and it is always about him, just him.

Mimi, RedDragon, Sugar n’ Spice, and other AA’s post wonderful comments and keep us aware of all sides of an issue. Hopefully you will join them here at times.

 

Comment by beebop | 2008-06-23 19:15:02

Thank you for a perspective that is not addressed frequently enough. I have to tell you that I have thoroughly enjoyed the breadth of my education during the past two months.

Comment by iam0nly1 | 2008-06-23 21:18:21

Thank all of the above for your kind comments :)

Comment by McBush | 2008-06-23 21:55:51

No.. Iamonly1 you are indeed a HOUSE N***. On the merits I would still condemn your article as simpleminded, immature, selfserving garbage, giving absoulutely no credit to AA people who support Obama. However, for you to come to NQ (one of the most hateful sites out here Republican or Dem) just makes it only more condemning for that bile you call writing. I’m sure all the haters here will give you an amen sister, and you can feel good about yourself, saying “see I’m black and I don’t like him either”, like that gives you more credibility. But to have credibility with these embiciles is your own condemnation. Yes you are all of the above, a sell out, a house n**, etc., etc, etc, not because you won’t vote for O or don’t like him. It’s because you make the same generalizations that THEY do, you discriminate in the same manner THEY do, you have the same judgemental condecending views of us (African Americans) that THEY do… it doesn’t make you one of them SISTA.. it makes you worse.

Comment by josgirl | 2008-06-23 23:35:57

House n***r?
What does that make you, a field hand?
Us, them?
McBush?
Get real.

 

Comment by jadwiga | 2008-06-23 23:44:24

I might look stone hearted, but if you ever feel suicidal, please don’t ask me to talk you out of it.

Comment by McBush | 2008-06-23 23:55:33

lol.. No such luck gotta stay around to correct all the fools like iamonly1. I don’t know what it is with her. Maybe a brother spurned her or her daddy left at a young age, but she gotta let that black haterism go.

Comment by jadwiga | 2008-06-24 00:18:17

I know, I know.
Just don’t ask me when the time comes.

 

Comment by Check077 | 2008-06-24 06:10:33

McBush, you should post an article stating your case as eloquently as iamonly1. My guess….you can’t! You’re one of the egotistical, brain-dead morons that patrol a site only to make reactionary, lambasting comments. Your ilk never seems to be able to come up with something that is thought-provoking in nature.

 
 
 

Comment by sjc-tx | 2008-06-24 10:31:00

hey mcbush…. YOU should be ashamed of your narrowminded ignorance… Obviously your gene pool never managed to climb out of the swamp… Its either that, or this is one of those nasty side effects of drinking kool aid.

Geezzzzz… I PITY you son! You must live a miserable life.

 

Comment by splashy | 2008-06-24 14:20:34

Wow! How abusive!

I can see here exactly what kind of BS black folks that show any kind of difference from the fad.

I feel for those that are bucking the mob. It’s horrible to be the target of abuse like that.

 
 
 
 

Comment by Elizabeth | 2008-06-23 21:26:22

Thank you for this article. It was outstanding and I am sorry for what you and other AA have had to deal with. I wondered how people like Tavis Smiley were holding up under the pressure. I was just thinking of him yesterday wondering how he was doing. I don’t really know him much only saw him a few times but it made me sad what was done to him and other AA .

And I thank you as well for giving me hope that someday this nightmare will be over and maybe the damage that has been done in the past few months with the divide and conquer of all Americans can start to heal.
Thank you again and best of luck to you.

I really fear the damage it is doing in the mean time.

 
 

Comment by GenXDem | 2008-06-23 17:22:30

I can’t speak for anyone else, but I am voting for Senator Obama because his views on things that matter to me, like the war, the economy, healthcare, education, reproductive freedoms, etc, most closely resemble mine. I was an early supporter of Dennis Kucinich but as anyone with their eyes open saw, he got shoved aside early on. So to hear Hillary supporters talking about their “suppressed” “folk hero” is somewhat laughable.

As for the violent threats, I am a white woman with blue-collar roots who has always been very outspoken politically. Recently on a roadtrip through Chicago and Milwaukee, not once, but TWICE, angry white men raced ahead of me (one had a Hillary bumper sticker) to flip me off and yell obscenities. One of them tried to swerve in front of me but I slammed on the breaks. They were mad at my “Hillbilly For Obama” sign. Never before, not even during the height of the pro-Bush wave an American flag made in China pseudo patriotic years, when I had a “Bush is a Punk Ass Chump” sticker, have I EVER felt threatened by a political foe. Sad thing was, these were fellow democrats. I guess it goes both ways, heh?

Comment by DoroB | 2008-06-23 17:29:47

Sorry that happened to you…
Just because Kucinich was suppressed doesn’t mean Hillary wasn’t.
So does Obama’s stance on FISA closely resemble yours then? Do you really know how he feels about the war, besides the reenacted speech that no one paid attention to in 2002?

Comment by GenXDem | 2008-06-23 17:52:07

I didn’t say I think Obama is a Messiah. I said his views (the big ones–FISA means squat to me in the grand scheme)MOST closely reflect mine of the remaining candidates. Kucinich first, Obama second. Whatever lackluster charm Hillary held for me faded years ago when she threw WOMEN under the bus by refusing to come to the defense of all the impressionable and relatively powerless ones Bill publicly destroyed. She called them tramps and I said goodbye. She lost me for good when she voted for the war. And yes, VOTING YES TO GIVING BUSH AUTHORITY TO START WW III is a tad more empirical than a 6 yr old speech that was or wasn’t as robustly anti-war as Obama recalls.

I’m sorry, you can say all you want, but the notion of Hillary Clinton being a populist champion of the people is rip-roaring hilarious to me. This working-class woman never fell for that schtick even when she threw back shots and bud light in my homestate. You can take the girl out of the Patricia Ireland bourgeois white uppity woman brand of feminism all you want, but you can’t take…blah blah blah…

AND, I guess Obama having to defend himself against the mutually incompatible accusations of being a Radical Muslim/Terrorist/Angry Christian/Atheistic Marxist/Chicago thug/Womanizer/Closet gay is a walk in the park, huh? NO SUPPRESSION THERE!! LOL!

Comment by peter pentagram made too many enemies | 2008-06-23 17:59:47

What about his corruption, are you corrupt, too, stealing money from the American taxpayer?

Or do you just conveniently ignore what doesnt fit into your fantasy, or what you find threatening?

It’s like you live on an alternate plane of reality, you’re so obtuse, so out of touch, in regard to the truth of not only Obama, but the politics around you.

It’s a joke, you’re so clueless.

Comment by GenXDem | 2008-06-23 18:09:45

Peter, are you, with a straight face, implying that the Clintons haven’t been swimming in a shark infested sea of corruption since day one of their 20 year political rodeo???!!??? Get off your high horse!! YOU are the one in a state of denial!

It must be very difficult for you to accept that Hillary has now thrown her full support behind this man you loathe with every fiber of your being and will in fact be fundraising with him. Maybe you were the angry white dude who tried to run me off the interstate.

Comment by DoroB | 2008-06-23 18:11:04

You’re saying Obama does swim in a sea of corruption then?

Comment by GenXDem | 2008-06-23 18:26:39

DoroB,
I told you I don’t have an Obama shrine at home, (nor a blow up doll in his likeness for that matter). He is an imperfect human being and a politician at that. This year Dennis Kucinich best reflected my views ideologically, but I’m not a fool and realize that there are simply too many competing views in this country for him to ever be taken serious. He was given his pink slip early on and we were given another choice between two deeply flawed politicians who have both flip-flopped, already been dripped and fried in scandal and whose “exotic otherness” let us know once and for all that as far as we’ve come along lines of race and gender, we have a long, long way to go. Their views on most issues are very similar so we were left with who we most trust to actualize some of those plans in 4-8 years (they both lose me on healthcare, as I am a single payor advocate, but the universal mandate as Hillary’s plan entailed is not to my liking). I chose Obama as did roughly half the democratic party. I am one who believes the republican party helped drag this race on so as to render WHOEVER won, unelectable in the fall. They crossed over in droves in my home state–estimates have as many as 7% of Hillary’s votes coming from naughty Republicans here when she won by less than 2%–with the sole purpose of dividing the donkey party. And guess what? They just well might have!

Comment by DoroB | 2008-06-23 18:44:45

Have you heard of “Democrats for a Day?”

And how would universal health care work without mandates? Do you really think everyone would buy health care if they could save some money not buying it? Premiums would continue to rise until we are back where we started.

Sorry, but your reasons for voting for Obama aren’t that great.

 

Comment by Steve | 2008-06-23 19:49:47

I don’t believe you are another Barry Distraction. The young lady whose article you try to rip has so much honesty in her little finger than you would ever hope to earn! You are a paid Obama snake. Core Dems don’t believe hin or his so-called supporters. Now get back and pick up your two bits. from Fight the smears office.

 

Comment by elise | 2008-06-23 22:35:35

I’m not really sure who you are, but you have presented your argument and I have read it. Now, here is mine.

You say FISA is not important to you and I don’t believe I have ever heard a Democrat say that publicly and I’m not sure if you know what it is.

FISA is a court established after the Nixon presidency to ensure American Citizens would not be victims of those in power deciding for any reason to put wiretaps on their phones without first obtaining a warrant. It is a protection granted by the constitution of this country of a right to privacy. The establishment of this court is not what the senate will vote on tomorrow because, as I said, it is already there due to Nixon’s using wiretaps on his “enimies”.

What they will be voting on is to amend the original to allow the executive branch of the government to bypass the law and wiretap without having to prove cause to the court.

The new bill also includes retroactive immunity to AT&T and Version for supplying phone records without a letter from the Justice Department establishing evidence. Those companies subsequently received federal contracts in the billions.

I’m not sure you understand the implications of the law or the significance of Obama’s support after months of using the issue in his campaign.

You are a rare Democrat in your lack of support for universal health care. Well, you can relax if Obama is elected because in spite of the fact his campaign went to great pains to draw one up to compete with Hillary’s, his is worthless and he has never intended implement it.

His biggest issue in this campaign has been a speech he gave in 2003 opposing the war in Iraq. In the last few weeks, there has been evidence of his contradictions on Iraq as well as Iran. But, you mentioned neither in your post so I am left with the impression this issue has no importance to you either.

As for your attacks on the Clintons, Hillary in particular, they are fairly typical of his supporters and I have never seen a single one offer concrete evidence beyond “Monica” and “Bosina” and I can give you a list of 10/1 on Obama’s lies.

Why don’t you ask Dennis Kucinich why he supports health care, opposes the new FISA Act and had a plan to end the war in Iraq and no military confrontation with Iran. I would like to understand the basis of your support for him.

Can you appreciate the problem I am having here understanding exactly who you are?

Finally, Republican support for Hillary. This has been a completely confusing issue for me. Obama, his campaign and supporters have said many, many times they are uniting the country and they offer as proof, the number of Republicans who voted for him in the primaries.

His campaign made a special effort get Repubs. to vote for him in open primaries. He also went to great lenghts to praise Frm. Pres. Ronald Reagan(R) and Frm. Pres. GHW Bush (R) and recently, his wife offered her praise for First Lady Laura Bush (R).

Until the supers gave him the magic number of votes, he had nothing good to say about Frm. First Lady and Sen. Hillary Clinton or Frm. Pres. Clinton who, BTW, had a 65% approval rating when he left the White House.

I am offering my case here, not because I believe it will ever change your mind. I’m sure it is set in cement. Rather, I am responding in the hopes you will understand how pathetic your argument is and the next time you decide to post a comment, you will not insult others, but give the true reason for your support, whatever that may be.

Comment by GenXDem | 2008-06-24 05:57:58

Well, I’ve tried to reply numerous times and keep getting zapped. BUT, my comments about FISA (parenthetical comments literally) referred to the fact that in November, when I have to choose between Senators Obama and McCain, I am not going to let some rhetorical flip-flopping on the matter cause me to jump in bed with my KNOWN UNAMBIGUOUS ENEMY on things like healthcare(zilch reform), the war (100 yrs), the economy and reproductive freedoms, etc etc

Comment by beebop | 2008-06-24 06:02:11

Right. Just close your eyes and jump there sweetie. Anything oblowme says is gonna change. He says what he needs to say to GET YOUR VOTE … he only said nicey nicey on FISA, NAFTA and taking public funding so people LIKE YOU would vote for him over Clinton. Now that she’s out of the way, he doesn’t give a shit what he said.

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Comment by GenXDem | 2008-06-24 06:15:18

beepop,
please get off your sanctimonious high horse. the clintons have been flip flopping for 20 years and you know it. they are ALL POLITICIANS and i’ve never said otherwise.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by Colin | 2008-06-23 18:17:07

Where is Obama’s birth certificate?

Where are Obama’s medical records? Is he still smoking? Why are his lips purple?

Where are his records from Columbia? Will he be Affirmative-Action’s 1st Black President…Pundits say…

Why did he enroll in school as Barry Soetoro? Just because Ann Dunham married again doesn’t mean Barry went from Obama to Soetoro. Was he adopted?

Where did Obama go those 3 weeks in Pakistan? Especially in the early 1980s. Wasn’t really a tourist spot back then.

Oh well, answer those Gen-Xer.

Comment by DoroB | 2008-06-23 18:20:22

Don’t forget Rezko. All these things are unanswered and voters have a right to know.

 

Comment by GenXDem | 2008-06-24 06:20:11

elise,
puh-lease. this is a fucking website that shot to fame most recently because of a TERRIBLE, SLANDEROUS LIE about a fictional whitey tape perpetuated by Larry Johnson. do you even know that??? people were wandering around all night like boo radley for weeks, wringing their hands, pacing the floors, waiting for the 9:00 am “whitey tape” that never came. fucking disgusting. since then i can’t even begin to chronicle the terrible, nasty lies i’ve read about Barack Obama and his beautiful wife (did you see the beauty contest betweeen her and Cindy McCain that was on here? I guess comments like “she looks like a gorilla” and “aunt esther” are okay as long as you preface them all with “i’m not racist..but”). what the fuck ever, save your touchy feely this ain’t a hate site drivel for elsewhere pollyanna, cos HATE IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS SITE PIMPS.

 
 

Comment by StrawberrybitesBarky | 2008-06-23 18:21:57

Full support? Yeah, that video Hillary sent me today sounded sooooooo convincing.

Comment by wry | 2008-06-24 01:54:40

Hi strawberry,

That video near killed me. It was like a hostage video. Hillary looked terrible.
I don’t believe for one second she supports that fraud. Regardless, I don’t.

 
 

Comment by Linda K | 2008-06-23 18:57:58

Hi GenXDem,
It’s hard to receive bad treatment simply because you’re for a particular candidate, isn’t it?
Still, I read with interest your remarks and I’m a little disconcerted by your accusations of the Clintons. Yes the Clintons have been less than perfect, I think we all agree with that. However, they have worked their whole adult lives to better our society. The same cannot be said for Senator Obama.
It might be easy for you to dismiss his corrupt and terrorist allies, but it is not so easy for me. I personally remember the Weathermen and William Ayers and in my mind there is no excuse for the kind of violence he practiced. Also, here’s a thought I wish to offer. I attended church almost every Sunday while growing up (I’m an agnositic now and don’t go to church anymore) but NEVER once did any of our ministers preach hatred of someone else or do a lot of name calling. There is also the tax exempt status of churches that are supposed to keep them from preaching politics from the pulpit. Wright didn’t preach Jesus’ message, neither did Father Pleger. What’s the point of preaching hatred and divisiveness in church - just turn on the television or watch one of the violent movies and you’ll get that. It was my impression that people went to church to hear the message of God and Jesus. I remember my Bible pretty well, and Jesus’s message was about love nad forgiveness. None of which Obama’s friends practice. I’m voting against him and for John McCain even though I’m a lifelong Democrat. And I will work hard to make sure this unvetted candidate does not make it to the White House because he does not have a clue what it is a President does.

Comment by Outsider | 2008-06-23 19:03:46

“Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father.” –at a 1998 Republican fundraiser

Wow, you mean the kind of Christ-like forgiveness that Hillary must’ve practiced in order to forgive John McCain when he said this about her only daughter? What double standards you people have…

Comment by Steve | 2008-06-23 19:57:05

Yeah, were you one of the Homoobanabots who called Mrs.. Clinton a whore?

Comment by GenXDem | 2008-06-24 06:31:45

no steve, i’ve never called Mrs. Clinton a “whore” but i’ve observed many, many offensive and frankly disturbing insults hurled Michelle Obama’s way on this website. i even linked one particularly offensive thread every where i could, in which her photo was pasted up next to cindy mccain’s and readers were invited to vote on which they thought “looked like a nicer first lady.” the photo of michelle was an unflattering one and the one of cindy looked as though it were straight out of a senior photo shoot circa 1989, vapid gaze and gauzy airbrushing and all.

 
 

Comment by elise | 2008-06-24 03:14:16

I am really breaking my own rules tonight by responding to your hateful post, but since in involves a young woman who has not deserved to be attacked, here goes. Whether or not McCain ever made such a statement depends on the original source; A writer at Salon. However, that in no way makes you better than McCain for repeating it in a public forum.

And BTW, you in advertanly told the truth about Hillary. She has shown time and again she holds no grudges and accepts attacks as an unfortunate by product of politics. In the senate she has shown no reservations in working with the same people who tried to force her husband from office if it served the public good.

If you think repeating something like that here serves any purpose in helping you achieve whatever it is you are looking for, you need to understand what this demonstrates about you and no one else.

I am responding, not as a Clinton supporter for McCain because I haven’t decided if I will vote for him or stay, but because I will always support Hillary.

Comment by elise | 2008-06-24 03:20:11

That should be “stay home” because I will never vote for Barack Obama.

 
 
 

Comment by elise | 2008-06-23 22:47:20

 

Comment by GenXDem | 2008-06-24 06:27:07

don’t know where you went to church, linda k, but as long as we’re swappping anecdotes, i went to a church as a kid that was nuttier than a porta potty at a peanut festival, one where the salivating minister DID preach hatred (couched in Biblical speak) week after week against gays and “fora-ners) and i don’t think my experience is that exceptional.

 
 

Comment by Lorie | 2008-06-23 20:06:49

Don’t you get it…obambi is THE MOST corrupt politician in the history of the USA and probably the world. Mathematically there is no humanly possible way, that he could have raised as much money as he did by his followers donating 100 dollars or less think about it. He is getting his financing from bundlers, thugs, and anti-American groups. Did you ever notice he has NEVER disclosed his list of financial backers. He has more money for earmarks (one of which helped his wife’s employer a nonprofit hospital receive millions and she in turn receives a 6 figure salary now) hmmmm there is real change for you…… Blatantly go after government money and give it to your wife’s employer. How is that for conflict of interest… Oh come to think of it he got earmarks for his church, Father Phleger too………. Hmmmmmm

Do you even know what his so called policies are? How do you think he is going to pay for all these big promises ??? He is going to tax us into oblivion.

I hope you never receive and inheritance from a family member, or try to sell your house for profit, or try to cash in any investments because with his policies you will be paying more than half back to the government.

If you plan on your children going to college and getting a PEL grant, forget it. You will only qualified if you are an illegal alien, or if you are so poor you can’t even afford a house, because that will be the ONLY way you will be able to qualify for a Pell grant.

Oh what about his universal health plan BS? Who do you think is going to pay for that….. The tooth fairy? WE ARE with our taxes. With the chosen one you will be paying 55% or higher of you PAYCHECK to the government…. is that what you want?

WAKE THE F&@& UP!!!!!!!!!!

 

Comment by PAN230 | 2008-06-23 20:58:39

I would ask you as a member of Generation X, who might not have been following politics in the early 1990’s, what the basis is for your assertion that the Clinton’s have been “swimming in a sea of corruption”? You might want to check some history books and first hand accounts of the work of the Special Prosecutor who tried to pin numerous such charges on the Clinton’s only to have them be shown to be untrue. Better get your facts straight about which of the two politicians has the record for lack of integrity and intestinal fortitude. If the source of your facts is the Obama/Axelrod propaganda machine, I would hope that you would do yourself a favor and at least consider a different point of view.

 

Comment by speaktruth | 2008-06-23 23:35:27

I think you lied about everything. I don’t think you were ever a Kucinich supporter or a woman. I’m not sure you are even a Democrat. I think you are being paid by the Obama campaign.
There are words and ideas you use that are so phony they give you away. I won’t bother telling you which ones they are, because it would just make you a better liar, and you are already good enough.
Everything you write is a big lie designed to manipulate. It’s not working. Go do something productive for your family and friends instead of wasting your time intimidating us.

 
 
 

Comment by DoroB | 2008-06-23 18:01:40

Government spying is not important to you?
Ok…
If you’re calling Monica Lewinsky powerless, I think you have some issues that you need to work out. She made a choice. Bill made a choice. I don’t condone his action but it doesn’t make what Lewinsky did the right thing.

Again. What is Obama’s stance on the war? If his speech was that important to you, didn’t you ever question why he didn’t do more? Why did no one know about that speech until Obama decided to run for president?

I guess you don’t really care about public financing or universal health care either huh?

Comment by mimi | 2008-06-23 22:04:40

DoroB,

Don’t waste your breath trying to convince her about Monica. She believes Monica was a poor little powerless thing when even Monica doesn’t believe that about herself.

Bill certainly was wrong. But so was Monica. She went to the WH as an intern for the sole purpose of getting next to Clinton. She admitted as much. I’m sure our GenXer doesn’t remember how one of Clinton’s secretaries complaned to whoever was in charge of the interns about Monica’s choice of wardrobe: lowcut bosom-revealing mini outfits.

Women like this believe it’s a woman’s perogative to dick tease (and I’m talking the real thing not some fantasy in a man’s mind)with impunity.

Sorry, but I don’t buy it and I will never hold some man’s wife responsible for the actions of her husband. When women shamelessly hunt another woman’s husband, what do you call them? Girlfriend?

I don’t think so!

I’d feel the same way if a man shamelessly hunted another man’s wife. There’s something scurrilous about both the spouse who commits infidelity and the willing paramours that they are intimate with.

But infidelity happens in marriages. Storybook unions in today’s society is not the easiest ideal to achieve. And people, even good people fail at it, forcing the injured spouse to make a choice. Having to make that choice in the most public of circumstances only makes matters worse.

Anyone with a modicam of common sense knows until you walk a mile in somebody’s shoes, refrain from making a judgement.

Me and the GenXer are on 2 different sides of the laughable spectrum. That she thinks Obama stands for anything would make a horse laugh.

He’s already exposed himself to be a card-carrying hypocrite.

“No more politics as usual?”

He played so much down and dirty Chicago politics, the movie version will be X-rated.

That the poster didn’t read the above blog. Is par fo the course. She almost got run off the road? Paging Sugar to tell about her encounter.

But at the end of the day, this Hillary supporter still respects her right to choose Obama in this democracy.

We’re all here at no quarter because Obama supporters refuse to offer us the same.

 
 

Comment by Lou | 2008-06-23 18:06:20

!8 million plus voters think she is a populist. We can’t all be wrong. It’s Okay if you do not understand Hillary. The rest of us do and we come in all colors, nationalities, ages, sizes and soicio-economic status.
You have right to cast a bling vote. We choose to cast an informed vote.

Comment by mimi | 2008-06-23 22:08:30

A bling vote?????

That’s a good one, Lou.

 
 

Comment by SoCalHillMan | 2008-06-23 18:11:44

FISA means squat to you? You mean something that shreds the constitution and threatens your freedoms - such as they are - has little relevance to you? And you think Obama is more of a populist than Hillary? Clearly, you’re reasoning and deductive skills leave much to be desired, not to mention your reading comprehension, as Hillary did not vote to give Bush the authority to start WW III, as you so simply put it. Nor has Obama distinguished himself as a leader opposing the war you abhor. You need a serious history course and more research to back up your rant, as it’s obvious Bill and Hillary’s marital problems are of more concern to you than their policies for the country.

 

Comment by Betty | 2008-06-23 18:48:52

Try as you might, no one believes you.

 

Comment by A.Citizen | 2008-06-23 19:05:16

‘FISA means squat to me….’ is a that an accurate quote pal? Well, we are sure to respect the opinion of an AssClown Majorus such as yourslelf. A low-info moran who from that one statement can be show to be of no consequence in any possible dialogue thinking Americans might have about the rule of Law.

I think the phrase we want to use here for you pal is:

‘Eat shit and die…’

You don’t deserve the courtesy of any sort of discourse.

Fascist scum.

Comment by wry | 2008-06-24 01:58:24

I guess we don’t deserve the courtesy of any sort of coherence either, judging from your writing.

 
 

Comment by beebop | 2008-06-23 19:19:46

I ran into Kuccinich and his wife at a Greek Festival not long ago in Cleveland. We spoke for less than three minutes. But as a supporter of Dennis’ I thought you would be interested to know that he was disgusted by the disenfranchisement of voters in Michigan and Florida. Say what you will, everyone had an opportunity to revote and only Senator Obama declined. That is a fact. Not an opinion. To state that he would have lost to Hillary again is an opinion. He agreed that Democrats had abandoned the moral high ground. Our encounter was prior to the decision rendered by the DNC in Washington, but NO DEMOCRAT would be proud to say one person, one half vote. What say you?

Comment by Outsider | 2008-06-23 19:42:57

http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/05/kucinich_wants_polling_to_end.html

Kucinich has supported Obama since late winter/ early spring, btw.

Comment by DoroB | 2008-06-23 20:09:22

 

Comment by Lorie | 2008-06-23 20:14:16

and what is your point asshole…….let me guess he drank the Kool-Aid right.

 

Comment by elise | 2008-06-24 03:41:38

But where is his offical endorsement?

 
 
 

Comment by zozosmom | 2008-06-23 20:31:13

FISA means squat to you? Our constitutional protection from unlawful search and seizure means squat? Good lord. I shudder to think what you “principled” people will put up with as long as Obama is doing it.

 

Comment by don tufts | 2008-06-24 00:24:36

so the fact that he grew up in his teenage years on the knee of frank marshal davis a memeber of the comunist party doesnt bother you,or the fact that a 33 unit apartment owned by rezko went without heat for over a month in dec january because rezko did not pay the bill but he did contribute to obama during the same period.this was in obamas senate district and it was reported in the papaer and to city authorities and was not a isolated incident.yea he really cares about little people.

 
 

Comment by Zee | 2008-06-23 18:46:37

Give me a break. There are plenty of us who did our homework on the CULT FRAUD that is Kucinich — it’s just that he’s not worth schooling those of you who did not.

 
 

Comment by Mr. X | 2008-06-23 17:33:52

You’ve been bamboozled.

* Obama is FOR the war. See 2004 remarks and 2008 remarks overseas.
* Obama criticized the Clinton Administration for the economy even though Clinton had a surplus.
* Obama’s healthcare is not universal.
* What is Obama going to do about education when he thinks the Great lakes are in Oregon.
* Obama supports late term abortions when not even the most liberal of liberals support this.

Again, we have proof that Obama supporters are blind to facts.

Comment by Zee | 2008-06-23 18:47:39

“Again, we have proof that Obama supporters are blind to facts.”

Word.

 
 

Comment by DoroB | 2008-06-23 17:36:48

Maybe you should vote for Nader if you want a true anti-war candidate.

Comment by BARB | 2008-06-23 19:14:24

I m voting for Nader. I wouldn’t vote for Obama if my very own mother was on the ticket with him.

Comment by Lorie | 2008-06-23 20:28:27

Bad move voting for Nader…..you might as well just go in the booth and vote for NObama then. Even though you hate Republicans a vote for nader is a vote foe the corrupt one NObama.

I am a democrat for 20+ years and I am saying this. So do the smart thing and vote McCain. I trust him more than NObama. God know what will happen with that in the WH.

Comment by C D Ward | 2008-06-23 22:41:23

After Hillary, Voting With Conscience and Pride
Time for Americans to find the courage and vote against the two-party plutocracy
by Joel S. Hirschhorn — Friday, May 9, 2008

This general election more than most will test the courage of voters to avoid lesser-evil strategic voting that has propped up our two-party plutocracy. People with intelligence and conscience must resist peer pressure and the temptation to vote against John McCain by voting for Barack Obama.

Of course, a McCain presidency that pursues much of the same policies and values of the totally inept and morally bankrupt Bush administration is something to loathe. But lesser-evil voting sustains our corrupt political system.
[. . .] (continued here)

Nader/Gonzalez’08 — votenader.org

 
 
 
 

Comment by fran | 2008-06-23 17:40:08

Tell us his positions on healthcare, the economy and education that best resonate with you? Is it the free market philosophy that he is championing now or the anti-NAFTA stance he promoted on the stump when he needed to win in PA & OH? Is it that he wants to fix the housing crisis or that his largest contributors come from Wall St/the sub-prime mortgage industry? Is it that he wants to improve healthcare or that his plan STARTS with leaving 15 million people out, and his mentor John Kerry said it’s a “non-starter in the Senate?” And his stance on reproductive rights was also noticeably curtailed and more conservative when he was pandering to the Catholic vote in PA, and will be more so now that he is courting the evangelical vote. Which Obama are you talking about–he changes his positions so often, it’s hard to know which “working class hero” you are supporting? And you are clearly a minority in this group–look at the primary results. The reason Hillary consistently won the working class vote is because people studied her record of delivering for the working class and BELIEVED her. She connected with people–he talks down to us. I noticed you are a GENX-er–no surprise there.

 

Comment by Cindie | 2008-06-23 17:56:39

And look at your nic?
GENX?
Go figure.

Comment by Lou | 2008-06-23 18:08:41

Genx has a passion for spreading 9/11 lies and is a fan of illuminati…heh heh.

Tell everyone Genx..you are a right wing neo con dude.

 
 

Comment by Thomas | 2008-06-23 18:03:47

Hey, I heard this story last month with Obama supporters being the angry ones.

Nice try.