Women For Fair Politics: On Larry King Live
By NoQuarter on June 27, 2008 at 11:50 AM in Barack Obama, Emily's list, Hillary Clinton, Misogyny, Sexism, WomenCount.Org, Womenforfairpolitics.com, women
“How DARE you ask me for money to get that unvetted, inexperienced, insulting nobody nobama of a politician into office?,” Ellen4Hill wrote to Emily’s List recently.
On CNN’s Larry King Live Thursday night, Cynthia Ruccia of Women For Fair Politics debated Ellen Moran (a different Ellen) who represents Emily’s List — which has disappointingly decided to back Barack Obama instead of sticking to its founding charter of supporting women candidates:
Don’t miss all of Ellen4Hill’s story here, “My Response to Emily’s List’s E-Mail.”
Emily’s List should stick to its fundamental goal: To elect qualified women across the country.
The last thing that Emily’s List should be doing is seeking to dilute its funds needed for female candidates by backing Barack Obama, who permitted and participated in the sexist attacks on Hillary Clinton.
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This, and many other videos, are available at the JustSayNoDeal.com channel at YouTube, as are videos at our NoQuarter channel.
Kucinich won’t rally for Obama until he gets answers
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/kucinich-wont-rally-for-obama-until-he-gets-answers-2008-06-27.html
Kucinich will throw his endorsement under the bus? I don’t think so but that would be great!
Are the PUMAs and like minded folks seeking a major defector from the Democratic party? Maybe Kucinich? Is there anyone with guts out there? They know Obama is a disaster!
We could sure use some actual names! That would be terrific.
Good for him!
Locally we’re up to 17 FLIPS for McCain
4 Write Ins for Hillary
and ONE lone nose plug for BHO
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and then try
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They are messing with me
LOL
So Bill looks likely to support Obama.
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/mcauliffe-bill-clinton-is-ready-to-go-for-obama-2008-06-27.html
Yet another heartbreaking situation brought to us by the Democratic Party.
President Clinton is more concerned about the issues and personally could give a “@”@ about BO.
He has been there done that…
Isn’t Bill Clinton in your country right now celebrating Nelson Mandela’s birthday in Hyde Park? Sounds like he’s really bummed about missing the Unity Love Fest. Here’s the note:
“President Clinton is obviously committed to doing whatever he can and is asked to do to ensure Senator Obama is the next president of the United States.” Signed Matt McKenna, spokesman.
Message: I Don’t Care. P.S. You Are Dead To Me.
Yeah, he’s at the birthday party and snubbed Oprah, good for him. She got so much support from the Clintons and then she backstabbed them.
I hope Clinton tells them to shove their Unity up their a**.
It’s politics. It’s how it’s done. On the other hand, our vote is Ours.
limey buddy! wassup?
Where’s my money?
Irish Liberation Theology!!!
say hi to your german overlords
Not exactly funny given Americans were funding terrorism against our people through much of the last Century - even after 9/11. It rather appalled me that when claiming Hillary solved the Irish problem, she said she did so by meeting with the IRA when they were still bombing the UK mainland.
We terrorized your people ourselves 200 years ago. One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.
Hmmm. Not the cleverest of comments after 9/11, but hey. I’d make sure you support Feingold after comments like that.
Not exactly relevant to the subject at hand, but with regard to battles of past; to the victor, history. Now I seem to remember a somewhat mad King agreeing to end the war. The battles I am less clear about. So which battles were won by Americans during the War of Independence?
WTF does American independence have to do with 911? The IRA doesn’t have annything to do with feminist groups appearing on Larry King Live, either. Suck it, Limey.
Let’s see what Bill really does. Seems like everything that has been said of his support is from a “spokesperson” If this guy is such a racist I wonder why BHO wants his support?
But WE - the voters - won’t.
In the end, that’s all that matters.
That Cynthia is absolutely an excellent spokesperson for that arm of PUMA. I like her more and more.
She’s got a sharp message, very clear and direct, and Emily’s List just sounded like the old, tired Obama meme to me.
Shoot, Cynthia makes me reconsider McCain!
I saw this last night as well….. and Cynthia Ruccia was so SPOT ON.
I would have luuuved to have seen Howard Dean’s face — if he saw it as well…..
I doubt Obama saw or cares as he think’s he’s already won all this….
I will not forget how Obama said ” get over it”
Little does Obama know how deep a woman scorned can hold her stand.
I love this SAY NO DEAL COALITION. What impresses me the most is that it is a true big umbrella. This group, Women for Fair Politics, totally appeals to my ire over the sexism. I’m one who had absolutely no idea just how mad I could be. It hought I had vanquished those issues long ago. I feel a bit like I did in my 20s when I was extremely feisty and not afraid to speak my mind in the least. More than one poor fellow found that out the hard way. But you know, you get married, raise kids, work like a crazy person, build a career, focus on your IRA….and you think all that’s behind you. This group speaks out for my sense of pride in women in the world and my deep sense of injustice, too.
I also love the Just Say No People determined to address specifically the DNC moves, the unDemocratic nature of this primary, and our outrage on that!
And I especially love that we’re all together in the same coalition, without having to make one another focus only on this or that. We can make room for more, too.
I’d love to see this expand to include some real representation from Latinos, for example.
There are common ground issues here.
We have more connectivity than not.
Have you met Diane Mantouvalos, the the woman who started the JSND? WaPo did a recent piece on her?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/26/AR2008062604162.html?hpid=features1&hpv=national
That connectivity is one positive thing coming out of this election. Women have reserves of power never tapped by any politician until now. We pretty much gave up the fight after Roe V Wade as if that was the pinnacle of everything we fought for.
When the ERA was twice defeated, we pulled back into our corner consoling ourselves with Roe. When the senate allowed Anita Hill to be dismissed as a liar and gave us Clarence Thomas, a man who has never once stood up for any woman’s right, an appointment to the Supreme Court the only thing we worried about was Roe.
Emily’s List, NARAL (formally know as NARA, Pro Choice America), and the National Organization of Women only put up token resistance to this disgraceful campaign and endorsed Barack Obama before the convention, they lost me.
They no longer represent our best interests. There are as many men on the board of directors of NARAL as women even though it was created to address gender specific issues and they sanitized not only it’s name, but it’s commitment to women. How about an NAACP with a 50% white board of directors?
If this campaign has demonstrated nothing else, it has clearly shown our voices are no longer heard, if they ever truly were, and that we are the largest block of voters in the Party creating an automatic vote for the candidate while no pretence is made of anything otherwise.
African Americans have clearly and almost completely united behind their cantidate, but our cantidate was abandoned by the party and the very groups created for and by women, subjected to the most horrific and intolerable crude, vulgar comments ever heaped on any presidential cantidate, former First Lady or sitting Senator.
What are we supposed to take away from this. Fall in line and “get over it”. Not this time and not with my vote. We need to make a clear and united statement we will no longer be put in a box and taken to the polls election day.
Hey, DNC. You WILL give us and our cantidate the respect we deserve with public apologies from you and Mr. Obama or we WILL take our votes elswhere.
I agree…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReaNbXkygn8
Cynthia is very clear, but I get frustrated when I do not hear PUMA spokespeople answer the “McCain has polar opposite positions” meme effectively. The fundamental issue for many of us is that the Democratic Party committed fraud–pure and simple. They manipulated the election, enforcing the rules selectively, to create their desired outcome. He is an ILLEGITIMATE nominee, and we will not support those violations. How can we support the “nominee”/party when he was selected through undemocratic practices? Otherwise, it is easy for critics to dismiss us as “angry, emotional, irrational, sore losers” which completely misses the point for our conscientious objection. Our actions are based on patriotism, not in spite of it.
Each group has a slightly different focus, and Cynthia’s is focused on “sexism.” It would also be helpful if group’s clarified WHY sexism is so destructive, educating the public about how this hate speech leads to violence, unequal pay, job discrimination, etc. Link it to everyone’s mothers, daughters, sisters, mothers, and that will resonate widely!
Ellen Moran sounds so wishy washy. Did they dope her up before they put her on air? She sounds like most Obama supporters… “la la la end the war in Iraq and bring prosperity … the Bush tax cuts … change.”
Cynthia Ruccia won that round. She knows how to stay on point and just fire away. The women condemning the sexism in the Democratic primaries continue to impress me. AND you know she was “biting her tongue” about the presumptive nominee’s blatant sexism, as well.
Hope……she was just spouting Obama’s words. It’s really not Ellen.
She has her talking points issued by the campaign. Ditto for the congresswomen. Pelosi was the worst, but it was the same message.
It’s Obama’s message to the doners last night.
It IS Obama’s message, so if it’s wishy-washy, it’s because he is.
Of course, it’s not really “Ellen.” They’re Pod People. Stepford Dems. Dittoheads.
Obama 08: Change, Hope and Valium
Yeah Ellen was shaking her “Oh come on! Comrade Obama got lots of money for us!” head.
Cynthia was right on. Woman’s issues are not so narrowly defined by repoductive rights. The Roe v Wade argument has been used by both parties for decades to either bring in the women’s votes or bring in the evangelical votes…time for REAL change!
She speaks well, but she focuses mostly on sexism. The media is taking the sexism charge, as if that’s the only problem PUMAs have with Obama, and running with it. The media still doesn’t grasp that PUMA is about so much more and fails to report the 101 other reasons why we won’t vote for Obama.
I agree completely Karen (see my post above). I think the JustSayNoDeal coalition leaders need to create a unified message (where it overlaps) so their message is in sync and exponentially more powerful.
When talking about the manipulation and fraud of the DNC, they should have specific examples (and for the sexism) ready to fire away. That’s why the Republicans have been so successful over the years–they stay on message and have clear specifics to back up their themes. I am not talking about mind control like BO, but giving evidence to support our complaints so they cannot be brushed off as “angry women who didn’t get what they want.” It also looks odd if we don’t have strong reasons for considering McCain–it just looks like we are voting AGAINST BO (which is part of the reason). Then we are just “throwing tantrums and being irresponsible.”
Great spokesman for the bitter Hillary supporters. So it is about sexism and they are going to vote McCain??
That is right - if you are against sexism, vote for someone who publicly calls his wife a c*nt and thinks wife beating is funny.
Cindy McCain is a strong, independent woman and can leave her husband whenever she likes. Why didn’t you cite the author of that article Jake Tapper? We all remember him well from when he called Bill Clinton a racist for his Jesse Jackson remarks. He’s a peddler of shameless yellow journalism, a shit disturber and a media hack.
So here is the link to the transcript - the interview you will find is done by Jon Ralston
http://lasvegassun.com/blogs/ralstons-flash/2008/jun/26/transcript-mccain-interview/
Limey troll
my money?
your princelings abused my irish ancestors forcing them to flee here, where we opened gold and silver mines, but I am due money for my great great great great grandfather’s suffering and I want it right now.
the reference mccain made was to they hypothetical impossible to answer question
“when did you stop beating your wife”?
any answer makes you look like a wife beater
thought they taught english and stuff over there
Read it already. No one cares. “Scratching your face” is more sexist than McCauin’s tasteless joke.
You got it. Obama’s subtle sexism is what most of us dealt with in the 90’s.
Now, the overt stuff……that was the 70’s.
But I relate a lot to the subtle stuff. Who wants to even try to distill it into a sentence for TV.
We all know.
And we also know he pulled it constantly.
but I don’t even care about that.
Democrats let down women. And we have been their mainstay for decades.
That’s what is important.
We will not work for a party that dismisses us this way after decades of proving ourselves.
No way.
No Deal.
You can get those “new” Democrats out to donate to the DNC. Want to know how many woman have cancelled their monthly contributions? Ask Dean.
You can get those “new” Democrats out to work the down-ticket, too.
Good luck. We heard you loudly through your actions.
I personally respect the message of the Democrats.
Women……go away.
Okie dokie.
Kudos to Women for Fair Politics for also owning that all of us should have stepped up and spoken out earlier.
Why is Hillary going all out for Obama?
This is sickenening .
She has no choice. Don’t blame her.
She promised she would work for Unity. Of course, she’ll do what is needed.
Today the doners.
She’ll go stump for him, too, if he asks. I personally think he wants the doner list, not her supporters. We’re a lost cause.
So he’ll probably not ask too much of her later. He’s just saying he needs her to placate us. I think his real strategy, as revealed through his attitude about the questions asked, is to go around us.
I think the retire her debt issue is overblown, Bill and Hillary are millionaires many, many times over, he makes 6 figures for a speech, and I’m sure they could retire her campaign debt easily. IMO hillary is doing the unity thing for several purposes:
To not appear as a sore loser. This is so when BO flames out, she will not be blamed.
Position herself as the nominee in waiting. Whether through a serious misstep or revelation by BO, or in the next election cycle.
keeping her Democratic credibility, pelosi and reed are ineffective and inept, and she is facing the reality that Senator from new York may be the highest office she will hold.
it’s live on cnn live blog right now and I had to turn it off!!
The lemmings started their anal chant “YES WE CAN”
and I just couldn’t hold down my lunch any further so had to turn it OFF!!
I’m sorry Hillary but I’m losing a bit of respect for you for this UNITY crapola!!!
I may have to FLIP (to McKook) myself if she keeps up this FRAUDULENT BS!
I guess I’d rather vote for a Kook than a BIGOT & his BIGOT wife!
Dawnelle; What, in your opinion, should she do? I don’t think her choices are limited to two: support him or don’t support him. She has said many times, “I will not give up and I will not give in.” and there is more than one way to fight. Taking the aggressive way is satisfying, but unproductive.
The last time I looked, there are one hundred twenty five superdelegates still unpledged. I wonder why that would be since Obama, the late Tim Russert, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean and others have said he is the nominee? I agree with Annin. I don’t think this will happen often if ever again. Watch the video of the rally several times. Study Obama and the crowd and their reactions to Hillary. What she did today required more courage than anything she has had to do during this campaign. And she did have to do it.
Don’t lose faith. We can continue what we do and trust her to keep fighting.
Because, as a Democrat, she supports the presidential candidate who favors ending the war in Iraq, universal health care, and reproductive choice. See, she understands that votes have consequences, and that the sole purpose of voting is not to throw a tantrum.
Are you sure he wants to end the war? Powers said no.
Yes, the bots now speak of Hillary as oh so sensible a few weeks back they were saying that Hillary was a monster, what did cafferty say? That she had multiple personality disorder??
Their hypocrisy is grotesque.
What I’ve seen all along are a minority of angry, highly vocal people on both sides going at each other, working each other up towards ever more outrageous attacks. I don’t believe those voices represent the opinions of mainstream Obama or Clinton supporters, either one.
They’ve worked up such a head of steam that they’ve completely lost sight of the common democratic agenda. They’ve lost sight to the point that they’ll promote a republican, unmindful of what he stands for, just to continue striking out at their perceived opponent.
They’ll tell themselves they’re somehow still striking blows for Hillary Clinton–even though Hillary Clinton herself repeatedly points out that it’s the common democratic agenda that’s of primary importance.
I’m very weary of only being against things. For seven-and-a-half years, democrats have been in a position to do nothing but register what they’re against–while being blamed by the right for every problem the country faces. When we spoke out about Bush’s godawful war, or spoke out about the purposeful errosion of our basic rights and freedoms, we were openly accused of being traitors to our nation. While Bush bankrupted the nation, we were characterized as “tax and spend democrats”. While the likes of Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh dominated the airwaves with an incessant flood of right-wing hate speech, the right simultaneously yammered on and on endlessly about the liberal media.
I’ve had it with the republicans and had it with the right. To advocate voting them another four years because you’re upset about not having your choice of democratic candidates–when your own candidate is actually supporting the man herself–is right off the charts. I can’t even wrap my brain around the fundamental illogic.
Simply being against somebody is not an empowering political strategy. You’ve got to be for something. You’ve got to promote the positive agenda.
Ah, yes. Unity. The Dems peed all over that at the RBC meeting. Long before it, actually. When one faction stages a daring coup to seize power from another, even if that means political blood is shed, there ain’t no Unity.
So,we should abandon democratic policies and ignore the advice of our own former candidate in favor of a republican?
Sorry. Just can’t do it. I’ll take a drink the Ken Kesey Kool-Ade, but you’ll never convince me to drink from the Jim Jones cup.
“So,we should abandon democratic policies”
Like Obama did with FISA, for example? And will definitely do again on other important democratic policies if elected?
“and ignore the advice of our own former candidate”
I doubt VERY seriously that Hillary Clinton was your former candidate.
And that’s ALL Hillary can do - advise her supporters. NOT DICTATE TO THEM HOW TO VOTE.
“in favor of a republican?”
A CENTRIST Republican.
Not an extreme right-wing nut like George W. Bush.
Nor an extreme, left-wing, flip-flopping nut like Barack Obama.
LOL!!
So damn true!
Tiberus:A Greek name from the country of the birth of Democracy and civilized, philosophical discussion and I will debate you with logic.
Nice words and that is something we have had a plethora of in the last year. I can take every point you made and point out the fallacy, but it would take too much time. Instead, I’m going to take the most offensive.
Your first argument is based on an axiom you have no way of proving. How many are we? How will you prove your assumption?
Attributing intent to others is beyond normal debate. It is smug and pompous and believing this is only or even primarily about Hillary illustrates how little you understand the situation. We have not lost sight of the democratic agenda only the Democratic Party agenda. We have not changed our agenda.
The Constitution of this country guarantees our right to vote. Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin all believed this right to be the best way to challenge a system not responding to our concerns. Just think of it as civil disobedience. BTW that is something women had to wait one hundred and fifty years after that document was signed to be recognized. The vote is the ultimate form of protest in a civilized society.
So what is a group of people to do when they believe the system has been corrupted with the intent of excluding them? Other than taking up arms, it is the power of one man/woman one vote. There is an obligation to expose the truth and to use the power of our one vote in a way most effective in bringing attention to the corruption when all else has failed. Any other discussion, including your need to protect the Democratic Party, are irrelevant.
I am very sorry to hear you are weary. When someone wants to discontinue a discussion due to their own need to be comfortable, I would suggest you take a nap.
Is this what Obama did when he promised to NOT support the FISA bill early on - only to vote in favor of the bill later amd JUSTIFY doing it? Or how about him promising to accept strictly public campaign financing - only to backpeddle on THAT promise? Or do you prefer the flip-flopping Obama’s doing on the Supremes’ decision yesterday?
Good Grief!!
WHAT THE F— IS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR THE OBAMA SUPPORTERS TO SNAP OUT OF THEIR FOG??
What is it going to take for the Obama people to WAKE THE F— UP and realize that Barack Obama IS NOT THE RIGHT CANDIDATE TO BE POTUS???
When will the damn light come on in their heads?
u are a liar
he’s not for universal health care
he’s not for ending the war NOW not later
he’s not for strict environmental laws
he’s NOT for equal pay
the list is freaking endless and I’m bored already
you’re just a liar that’s all
I guess that makes Hillary a liar, too. Thanks for clearing that up.
????
Because those are Hillary’s issues, too, right? And she’s campaigning for Obama.
Keep thinking about it. You’ll get it in another hour or two.
She’s doing it because of party affiliation over the course of a life time. You’re doing it because you can’t think for yourself. I got it in all of two seconds. Thanks!
she’s doin what she has to do
and we are NOT lemmings of HILLARY
unlike you with your brown nose stuck up BHO’s butt!!
LEMMING!!!
Right, Hillary has a comprehensive cohesive plan for those issues. Obama does not.
She can believe in what is right, as we all do, but there has been no indication that Obama or the Democratic Party will deliver.
In fact, based on the values shown by Obama and the DNC the opposite is true. The Party does not hold the same ideals as most Americans, and does not even pretend to.
“She can believe in what is right, as we all do, but there has been no indication that Obama or the Democratic Party will deliver.”
Exactly.
Nothing but useless hot air from Obama.
Obama’s flip-flopping on the FISA bill and campaign financing proves that. And that’s just for starters.
I REFUSE to vote for a trifling candidate just because he’s a Democrat.
Definite lack of logic there.
1. Obama does not support UHC. Read his health plan.
2. Obama is inconsistent on his Iraq war policy and has never actively opposed it. He said in 2004 that his policy was the same as Bush’s - while McCain, on the other hand, called for Rumsfeld to be replaced, a decision that was applauded by the Democrats. And McCain risked his own party’s nomination by supporting the surge which is now working. McCain is principled and tough. He has a son serving in Iraq, and he is committed to the safety of our troops.
3. Feminism is not determined by abortion. There are some women who feel that fair representation in politics is more important right now.
Children throw tantrums. We are adults making our voices heard. If you cannot appreciate that, then you have no respect for either First or Nineteenth Amendment rights. That makes you a koolaid drinking fascist.
So, let’s say for the sake of argument that everything you said is correct (it isn’t, but let’s just say). If you care about those issues, do you honestly think voting for the Republican McCain is a better way to realize those goals? Really? (Hint: this is where most of you say “Well, I’ve already made my mind up” and refuse to grapple with the question.)
oh, thank you for your “hint” I wouldn’t have known how to respond otherwise..fiddle-dee-dee.
Case in point. Better to make a flippant remark than face the fact that voting for McCain would have disastrous consequences for millions of people who cannot defend themselves. Hey, whatever makes YOU feel better! This election is all about your feelings!
Ah yes, the old Blackmail Argument. I’m sure that sustained many an Obamabot over the course of the spring- “Hillary supporters can say all they want now, in the end they’ll vote for Obama because they alternative is too horrible, so let’s feel free to shit all over them. They’ll have no other option in the end.”
Except- Obama has screwed over his progressive followers with the FISA deal and by abandoning public financing. What’s next? I don’t trust Obama to REMAIN true to progressive ideals, so I don’t feel bad about voting against him. If he will abandon such key positions now, what will he do once he’s won the White House?
No thanks. Obama has thrown a big red flag up which reads “Dont Trust Me, I Say And Do Whatever It Takes To Win.” If you want to ignore it, thats your business.
He was responding to me. Don’t let him get distracted. “I’m not the Republican” has been the Democratic platform for years, and it is a predictable loser. Let’s here about Obama and this change he promises.
LOL at “fiddle-dee-dee”!
No. Let’s have a real argument, toss out Obama’s rhetoric, and challenge me point by point. Where am I wrong?
No problem.
1. Obama’s plan would provide health coverage to everyone who wants it. If your definition of “universal” includes forcing people to sign up, well, that’s not the kind of universal health care I want anyway.
2. I wish Obama had done more to stop the Iraq war. But he’s done far less to enable the war than McCain or Hillary have. And he has consistently criticized not only the conduct of the war, but the very idea of invading Iraq in the first place - again, unlike either Hillary or McCain. I don’t care how “principled and tough” McCain is, if he uses those qualities in service of awful policies. GWB is pretty “principled”, too. Big deal.
3. I fail to see how voting for the more male-dominated party, the one that opposed ERA, somehow strikes a blow for “fair representation in politics.” Please explain.
Obama is not my ideal candidate. I was an Edwards guy until he dropped out. But there are many more important issues at stake this year than the (highly debatable, to say the least) sexism of the DNC. You can disagree, but if you vote for McCain you have to take responsibility for the real consequences that his presidency would have.
you said:If your definition of “universal” includes forcing people to sign up, well, that’s not the kind of universal health care I want anyway.”
but Obama has a mandate for children
so parents are going to have to enroll their kids
if a mandate for kids is okay and enforceable by garnishment etc
why not one for adults too
so we dont all get stuck with the charges of uninsured going to ER with the flu etc?
Do you think this guy has a problem with mandatory car insurance, mandatory school attendance, etc. etc.? What a stupid dick.
Universal Health Insurance, like Social Security, only works when everyone has to participate in it’s funding. If you don’t think it should be mandatory, you don’t believe in it, period.
And I’m not voting for any “Progressive” who does not support THE Progressive cause of our age. Sorry.
Compulsory - at the force of Prison - private health insurance is NOT progressive. If you think it is you have NEVER been poor. All it does is secure giant profits for the Health Insurance companies. If you want progressive - look to the Canadian or UK Health systems.
Thank you, John……..
1. Under Hillary’s health plan anyone with a health plan they like, keeps it. If you don’t like what you have, you can choose from among several private insurance plans not government now offered to members of congress.
Health care for you and everyone else would be much cheaper and much better than it is now, simply because of volume. When everyone is required to have it, costs go down because exorbitant emergency room visits by the currently uninsured will be dramatically reduced. Coverage must be a “mandated” or costs will never go down.
For those who are poor, healthcare would be subsidized so that they can afford it.
Universal healthcare would be a boon to the economy because businesses that wish to offer healthcare to employees would have these costs greatly reduced.
Your healthcare plan can never be taken away from you for ANY reason, whether or not you are employed, or have pre-existing conditions, etc.
2. Obama has voted identically to Hillary on the Iraq war since joining the US Senate. There are plenty of people who wish Obama actually backed up his talk. It’s the best reason not to vote for him.
3. McCain has promised to appoint more women to cabinet-level positions, and he is a man of his word. Obama is backing a challenger to a black woman running for US Senate. Barlow is a Democratic Representative of a district that is 45% AA, yet he votes like a southern right wing Republican. Barrow voted with George Bush on every issue we track, including Iraq, Iran, habeas corpus, and wiretapping.
Saying that Obama is the obvious choice for women voters contradicts his record. He has more “present” votes than any other member of the body politic; five of those votes were about abortion. He was the lone vote in favor of early release from prison for sex offenders. He voted present on a bill that required the records of sex crime victims remained sealed after trial. Obama has never taken a stand on anything, and he seems to hold women and their rights in low regard. His behavior during the primaries was rude and unprofessional.
Complete rubbish. Increased demand for Private Health care, sharing the burden of costs for those with pre-existing conditions (the Insurance companies will pass the bill on) and the element of compulsion will drive costs up. If you want a progressive plan, look to the UK or even Canada. A decent Government health care system will drive insurance costs DOWN.
So vote for McCain and BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN? Not exactly logical and to not the best way to resolve the growing crisis in the Middle East, unless of course you do want World War 3. (The US will get no International support on this)
McCain built his reputation as being that of the maverick. He then won as being a wingnut (pro torture etc etc). You claim Obama flip flops - where exactly does McCain stand and can you really believe another Republican Presidential Candidate? Especially one who calls his wife a c*nt.
As for Democratic candidates - look at the Daily Kos Red to Blue list. Not just more Democrats but better ones.
Complete rubbish. Increased demand for Private Health care, sharing the burden of costs for those with pre-existing conditions (the Insurance companies will pass the bill on) and the element of compulsion will drive costs up. If you want a progressive plan, look to the UK or even Canada. A decent Government health care system will drive insurance costs DOWN.
There is already demand for healthcare. Everyone, in fact, needs it. Right now, insurance providers can deny coverage. That is how they make money. You get sick, and they find a loophole for not covering your expenses after you’ve paid premiums. If you are uninsured, you just go to the ER where the taxpayers pick it up. Practitioners charge the most they can get away with, because they know this is how it works. Privatizing health means that the market still forces rates to be competitive, so citizens are not taxed as heavily as they are in the UK and Canada where people also have to abide by waiting lists.
So vote for McCain and BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN? Not exactly logical and to not the best way to resolve the growing crisis in the Middle East, unless of course you do want World War 3. (The US will get no International support on this.)
McCain’s talk was for the Iranian mullahs who wouldn’t even be in power, if it weren’t for Obama’s foreign policy Zbigniew Brzezinski who advised Carter.
Right now Iran is funding the insurgency as well as Hezbollah and Hamas. They are enriching at a rate that alarms the international community. Obama has one opinion on how to deal with them one day and another depending on who’s asking. That won’t cut it.
Furthermore, Zbig is a notorious Cold War hawk and Russian revanchist who was responsible for our current Islamic threat. Obama has threatened to invade Pakistan. If a US break with Musharraf and / or a real democratic opening in Pakistan merely pave the way for unilateral US or NATO aggression, we could be going very quickly from the frying pan to the fire. Pakistan remains the most dangerous country in the world today, as its government is politically unstable and it already has nukes.
Brzezinski wants Obama to mobilize soft power, a new form of imperialist aggression based on economic warfare, subversion, deception, and people power coups. The final goal is confrontation with the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, the main world center for resistance to US-UK global domination. China