Has the Whole World Gone Mad?
By PaganPower on June 29, 2008 at 3:45 PM in Barack Obama, Islam, Sharia Law, UN Human Rights Council
Does the practice of female genital mutilation concern you? What about child marriage? Stoning female adulterers to death? Well don’t bring it up to the UN Human Rights Council because such talk is forbidden there. What say you? You mean it is verboten to ask the UN Human Rights Council to intervene in these barbaric practices? And sadly the answer is yes. Why? Because the practices are a part of a radical Islamic law and thus protected under the auspices of the United Nations.
UN ‘Human Rights Council’ bans criticism of Islam
The UN ‘Human Rights Council’ decided this week that it is forbidden to criticize Islam because “religious issues can be “very complex, very sensitive and very intense…This council is not prepared to discuss religious matters in depth, consequently we should not do it.” From now on, only religious scholars would be permitted to broach ‘religious matters’ before the Council.
So if you have a problem with a practice that is barbaric and inhuman you can’t ask the UN Human Rights Council to intervene. Not if that practice just so happens to be sanctioned by some nutjob that believes the practice is blessed by what he calls God. And yeah, I know that these same nutjobs believe that they also have the right to put out a hit on me for making the allegation. I am not only a non-believer, I am an infidel. An infidel that couldn’t care squat what some wacko Grand Sheikh says.
The ban came after a heated session on Monday, when the representative of the Association for World Education (AWE), in a joint statement with the International Humanist and Ethical Union, denounced female genital mutilation, the penalty of stoning for adultery and child marriage as sanctioned by Islamic law. Egypt, Pakistan and Iran angrily protested, interrupting the AWE speaker, David Littman, with no less than 16 points of order, and succeeding in getting the Council’s proceedings suspended for over half an hour.
It is especially peculiar that Shia Iran aligned itself with the Sunni nations of Egypt and Pakistan.
Imran Ahmed Siddiqui, the representative from Pakistan, echoed the ever-echoing refrain of all Islamic apologists in the West, when he complained that Littman’s initiative on genital mutilation, stoning and child marriage amounted to an “out-of-context, selective discussion on the Sharia law.” He asked that Littman not be allowed to speak: “I would therefore request the president to exercise his judgment and authority and request the speaker not to touch issues which have already been debarred from discussion in this Council.”
So there are certain things we can’t bring up at the dinner table we call the United Nations? Even if it is a chat about barbaric practices sanctioned by the radical offshoot of a religion by some Grand Poobah that issues a fatwa and justifies it as something consistent with Sharia law?
This is a form of madness, in my opinion.
I thought that the word Islam was supposed to mean peace. But for radical Islamists, peace requires remaining silent on the matters of genital mutilation, child marriages and the stoning to death of female adulterers. If you ignore those and of course those pesky little jihads then radical Islam is pretty chill. Unfortunately, diplomats from Egypt, Pakistan, and Iran are enabling the radicals by refusing to challenge these extremist views.
This is about the Sharia law.” Pakistan’s Siddiqui added: “I would like to state again that this is not the forum to discuss religious sensitivity.” Why not? Again sounding notes that are increasingly familiar in any discussion of the elements of Islam that jihadists and Sharia supremacists use to justify oppression, Siddiqui explained: “It will amount to spreading hatred against certain members of the Council. I mean, it has happened before also that selective discussions were raised in the Council to demonize a particular group.” He addressed Costea: “So we would again request you to please use your authority to bar any such discussion again, at the Council.”
Oh! So we cannot discuss these matters because it might make some people look bad. Isn’t that the fricking point? Is it now considered not ok to address some of the most horrid abuses of human rights because if we did so it might offend someone?
After more discussion, a recess, and another warning from the representative from Egypt, Littman was finally allowed to proceed. After noting that “almost 90% of the female population in the north of Sudan undergo FGM which, in many cases, is practiced in its most extreme form known as infibulation,” Littman declared: “We believe that only a fatwa from Al-Azhar Grand Sheikh Sayyed Tantawi – replacing the ambiguous fatwas of 1949, 1951 and 1981 – will change this barbaric, criminal practice, which is now growing even in Europe.”
At this point Egypt interrupted, complaining that “this is an attempt to raise a bad traditional practice to Islam. Sheikh Al-Azhar [Sayyed Tantawi] is the president of the largest and the biggest and the oldest Islamic university in the world.” He exclaimed: “My point is that Islam will not be crucified in this Council. That’s why we are challenging this ruling” – that is, Costea’s decision to allow Littman to deliver his address.
Crucifying Islam? This is at best a reprehensible statement. Islam does not practice Christianity. But these folks and their radical interpretation of Islam apparently believe that it is okay to make a mockery out of Christianity. Who would anyone complain to after all?
According to these insane people and their heinous form of religion, the mutilation of female genitalia is an honor. Yes, you read that right.
An honor.
Yet an Islamic legal manual endorsed by Al-Azhar states that circumcision is required “for both men and women” (‘Umdat al-Salik, e4.3). And Tantawi himself has said, according to Geneive Abdo, author of No God But God: Egypt and the Triumph of Islam, that female circumcision is “a laudable practice that [does] honor to women.”
So line up ladies. And let these self declared ministers of peace honor you. After all, it’s a religious tradition and you wouldn’t want to offend anyone.
Would you?
Not only does this shameful episode bode ill for the human rights of women in the Islamic world; it also represents another victory in the war against free speech that Islamic supremacists have been pursuing with particular energy lately, calling on Western authorities to prosecute Dutch politician Geert Wilders for his film Fitna and Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard for his drawing of Muhammad with a bomb in his turban, and in general to outlaw what they perceive as insults to Islam.
You might imagine that with a name like Pagan I might understand a thing or two about discrimination and distortion of what I practice as a religion. As old as my religion is there is one thing that has been a principle from the start. Men and women are equals. And the law applies to everyone.
So if my point of view offends you please know that I am the one offended. Because my religion requires that I speak out when anyone is treated with less respect than which they are entitled by the Goddess. This latest incident at the UN is a sad reminder that the task of rooting out the hatred that fuels much of the terrorism is difficult and, ironically, being thwarted by the very people who suffer its consequences. We need to be able to talk about difficult things in international fora. If we cannot discuss the matter then what other alternative remains but to fight? That’s not a guaranteed path for world peace if you ask me.
Utter madness, this action by the UN.
I wonder if this action dovetails with the astrotrolls’ starting to use BaJoke’s “Hussein” defiantly for their own names.
I think there could be a correlation.
Before anyone thinks I’m making things up, take three things in note:
1. The possibility that a birth certificate for the UN’s golden boy, BaJoke Ofraudma, could be turning up soon with the word “Muslim” on it. They want to protect him, and want him elected. More than you know.
2. In the wake of the NY Times piece I just appeared in, my MySpace suddenly got a hit from the UN. Coincidence? Trying to look into those opposed to BaJoke.
3. Barry and Michelle are heavily tied to the UN/One World Govenment community via figures like Zbigniew Brzezinski and Mish’s being on the board of the Chicago Council on Global Affairs. These people, the internationalists, have been involved the entire time in OFraudma’s campaign, from donations to coordination. This smacks of the same thing.
NOTHING happens by coincidence in politics, particularly at this level.
This is crap, as PaganPower correctly says. If you don’t believe me, go and Google the words “stoning to death” and see what you find.
This is an asinine and dangerous move by the UN that I think has intentions as regards the current US election.
Garbage.
What should the US Government do to the Democratic Party for holding a sham of an election like the African Nation of Zimbabwe a cousin country to Kenya?
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EVERYONE, PLEASE EMAIL FOX NEWS:
Just now, they stated someone was defacing vans by scribbling
anti Obama and anti McCain graffiti all over them.
AND pro Clinton graffiti.
Their Sunday people aren’t very bright and stated that it was
easy to figure out that the Clinton people are doing this.
More dirty tricks from the Obama camp. Everybody clue them
in that this is just one of many reasons why we don’t support
this pondscum candidate.
Clearly a tactic by the Obama clowns. This is supposed to be high propaganda but is actually farce.
I’ll give you an internet analogy:
All the time Obama astrotrolls try to leave comments on my videos that are supposedly from Clinton supporters/anti-Obama people.
The comments are WAY over the top, taking shots at Obama’s race, etc.
The goal is to get me to approve them, so that both I and other anti-Obama people look like extremists. Of course, I don’t approve them.
Sure, go out and spray pro-Clinton graffitti, that way the reports are that Clinton backers (that is, those who won’t ‘unify’ with Ofraudma) are vandals and thugs.
Which is, of course, what the OJokema crew is.
Again, this is fairly low-level propaganda technique courtesy of some of the Bryzenskis of Obama’s backers. Standard stuff. Can’t believe FOX is falling for this.
I just wrote FOX News right now and told them they’re being duped.
Great question, Val.
Perhaps the popular vote should prevail, like in most democracies?
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Let me say something else about the Obamas and the internationalists.
Michelle Obama sits on the board of the US China Business Association as well as the Chicago Council on Global Affairs.
We all know how deeply ensconced Barack is in matters of quid pro quo. And we all know about Bryzenski, Auchi, etc.
If BaJoke is elected, powerful people get access to the USA in ways they may not have had otherwise. Don’t think they’re not interested.
Ditto the Bilderberg Group and Obama.
These are the heavy hitters behind the scenes for Mr. Teleprompter. Or, I should say, some of them.
The Chicago Council on Global Affairs is in bed with GE. Yes, the same GE who controls the NBC networks and Newsweek, the magazine lying about BaJoke having a 15 point lead.
Here’s some info, a bit more, from what appears to be a fringe site but which has info that appears useful:
http://www.infowars.net/articles/june2007/250607study.htm
The bottom line is this:
The Obamas are THE darlings of the internationalist/non-US-sovereignty/One World Government set. That is, the same people who constitute and champion the UN.
That the UN would take steps to help out Obama and these allies is not a surprise.
That this happened now, right as the NYT is talking about Obama followers taking on “Hussein” for themselves makes me wonder about the level of collusion going on behind the scenes of these various organizations and their golden calf’s staff.
F THE UNITED NATIONS. What a disgusting
display of utter BS.
Human rights advocates have worked tirelessly against the Islamic hatred towards women.
To HELL with those people.
Paul,
I was wondering if you could repost that NYT piece? I wanted to read it yesterday and got sidetracked.
Thanks.
And weird about the UN drop in…..
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To the article.
I respect all religions. However, the right to abuse and mutilate men, women and children is not something I will ever respect.
There is no excuse.
How do people resolve something or come to an understanding if there are no honest debates?
The fact that they shut down honest debate shows they know there is no justification other than control.
Sure, Karma. Here it is:
NY Times piece
Typical MSM: Obama video guys are heroes and cool, non-Obama video people use ‘widely debunked’ material and don’t get call backs from campaigns.
Bunk. More propaganda designed to help BaJoke.
Has the Whole World Gone Mad?
It has been mad all along with little chance that will ever change. Humanity is doomed to become fossils by self extinction. The fact Obama has a chance of becoming president with all we know about him does not bode well for humanity.
Sorry that I strayed off topic as what you bring up is very serious.
Good to be an atheist.
why is it good to be an atheist? just wondering.
You don’t have the baggage of idiotic religious beliefs that support abuse, killing and torture of other humans.
But I don’t think those beliefs are in themselves religious, rather using a corruption or distortion of a religious ideal to exploit and supress women.
Joe’s answer pretty much somes it up for me too. Thanks, Joe. Being an atheist does not mean that one is without values, moral, or ethics.
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Who cares what they say about us. They lost all credibility as far as I’m concerned when they allowed this charade of a primary election. I for one could care less what they think, they’re not paying my bills. Supporting my family. I’m a grown woman I don’t need Reid, Pelosi, Dean, Obama or any of the other’s to tell me what I should think or whom I should vote for. I’m quite able to think for myself. Every single time I see them now I see a huge L across their forehead for the losers they are.
As far as the article…just what is the UN Human Rights Council’s job if it’s not to protect human rights, regardless of religion? Religion should be second when basic human rights are being violated. Can someone remind me again just why are we part of this farce? Just what have they accomplished?
Unless I am mistaken, the “honor” that is spoken of is that of the man, not the woman. FGM was inposed to prevent a woman from having sexual pleasure. The man would not then be dishonored because she would not be tempted to, ah, stray. If she strayed, the men; husband, father, brother, uncle, cousin etc; were all dishonored. then of course she could be stoned to death. Helluva a form of religion, huh? If this a problem in Europe hey are at least in the position to pass a law against it and actually prosecute those who inflict it on women. i think there was a case in the US a few years ago about a sudanese or Ethiopian woman who was seeking political assylem because of FGM. I believe she was denied, but I could be mistaken.
Turkey turns a blind eye to “honor killings” some of the more recent sentencing for it are no more than a year in jail.
Also in a sick twist, its now popular for the brother or even the mother of the daughter to do the murder as the Turkish courts are very lenient on them.
In Indonesia FGM is now becoming quite popular as the Saudi funded Salafists radicalize the rather pluralistic syncretic form of Islam practiced their.
Wonderful religion, at least for the men.
Does the practice of female genital mutilation concern you? What about child marriage? Stoning female adulterers to death? Well don’t bring it up to the UN Human Rights Council because such talk is forbidden there. What say you?
I’m not sure that that’s what they’re saying here. Here’s the AP story on that:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008/06/19/story_19-6-2008_pg7_6
By my reading, it seems that Costea doesn’t want to deal with the issue of whether genital mutilation or honor killings are, as the humanist group is claiming, linked to Islam. There’s nothing in the article to support the claim that the council isn’t willing to discuss these abuses, only the religious issues surrounding them. For example, they could say, “Honor killings are wrong and we condemn them,” but they wouldn’t address the surrounding religious issues.
Instead of linking directly to the news story, you linked to a pair of highly tendentious and inflammatory commentators, who, I think are twisting the ruling around to fit their own agendas.
Also from the AP piece:
The governments of none of these three states support these kind of abuses, and apparently they are objecting to “Islam” being dragged through the mud, when the forms that are supported by these governments do not endorse any such things.
BTW Islam doesn’t mean peace, it means submission. The peace angle was promoted by groups like CAIR.
The UN is really afraid of pissing off Muslims, who go insane with rage the moment a dhimmi doesn’t genuflect to them or questions the Koran. The UN saw what happened when the Danish newspapers posted some drawings of Mohammed - riots and murdering of infidels across the ME. Not to mention a fatwa against one of the cartoonists.
They saw also how American media and intellectual elite caved into them over the cartoons as well. Only one newspaper printed them. SouthPark refused to show the episode that has mohammed in it for fear some Iman or Mullah putting a fatwa on the creators.
So can you blame them for shutting up when they are faced with a religion that promotes violence like this?
Because of this, the UN also can’t talk about how Islam relegates women to the level of property with only 1/2 the rights of a man, subject to beatings at the whim of the husband, or even how Muslim men can murder their wives or daughters should they be offended by their conduct(honor killings). Because it would bring the various edicts in the Koran and Shariah that support these vile practices into question.
Just to clarify your apparent misconception, while it is true that LITERALLY Islam means “submission”, it’s intended to mean SPECIFICALLY a “submission to God/Allah” and that THROUGH THAT SUBMISSION, one finds PEACE.
It’s akin to the Christian bromide, “No Jesus, No Peace; Know Jesus, Know Peace”.
Obviously, based on the real history of Christianity, there’s been very little “peace” simply by knowing Jesus.
As to the South Park bit, I’m not really sure what the hell you’re talking about. The whole thing about Muhammed was a JOKE–spinning off “Family Guy”, incidentally. What happened in the 2-part episode (titled “Cartoon Wars”, pts 1 & 2) was that (in the South Park universe), the executives at Fox planned to pull an episode of “Family Guy” in which Mohammed was going to be shown. Cartman, in an effort to get “Family Guy” banned, convinced the Fox executives to go ahead with the show. But what you’re referring to is NOT what happened. I don’t believe either Matt or Trey ever actually intended to show Mohammed since that was not the real joke or point of the episode. Some episodes of the show might not be aired in syndication (once a syndicator has bought a series to air, it’s not required to air any episode that may be considered offensive in a given market; on Comedy Central, however, there’s no such restrictions) and virtually every syndicated broadcast features far more bleeping and editing that passed the Comedy Central censors.
Well it is the religion that promulgates the acts, so its difficult to irradicate the acts without discussing the religion that promulgates them.
Notice I said IRRADICATE (not just condemn). It is easy to condemn something for that is just words. When the condemnation is put into action then it has substance. Before that, the condemnation is meaningless. I really DO NOT CARE if Islam (or any other religion) gets dragged through the mud. My concern is the life of the victim…not the sensibilities of the Imams, Priests, Ministers or Monks.
As an afterthought: we should probably not refer to the practice as “FGM” as this useage may have the effect of diminishing the horror of it. I know it is easier to abreviate but still. Just thinking.
By the way sorry for the bad grammar in my previous comment.
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EXACTLY- call it what it is- unspeakable violent mutilation of girls bodies.
How about Honor Killings that happen to be against the law in America?
I guy in Texas killed his two daughters and the press coverage on this has been disgracefully minimal. He’s still hiding out.
Listen, I have Muslim friends. There are Muslims and then there are these extremist nutcases who come over from the middle east and think they can impose Sharia law on us, perform honor killings and set their women on fire. If we can’t talk about that, then this country is headed for a serious fall. We get all hepped up about Mormons who have a zillion wives. And they aren’t even killing them. Are we really expected to tolerate this shit? This crap might be perfectly fine to some of the countries represented in the UN but not here. This is AMERICA, not Pakistan.
Pretty soon, people will be talking about their own countries, going, “This is (INSERT NAME HERE), not America.”
But I suppose as long as we still have our lip gloss and glitter eyeshadow, today’s young woman Obama-bots will consider themselves just peachy-keen liberated.
Where’s Emily’s List? Where’s NARAL? Oh yeah they are far too busy campaigning for Nobama and trying to scare me and my uterus with Roe v. Wade being overturned. Women’s rights are HUMAN RIGHTS! as Hillary made clear in Bejing.
And a big THANK-you for not using the watered-down, PC euphemeism of female circumcision. No comparison. Call it what it is- VIOLENT MUTILATION!
Islam means submission, not peace. Muslims themselves say so. The Muslim Student Association (MSA) at the University of Southern California has in its website this very topic under misconceptions about Islam.
The MSA also makes another point in saying that it is a misconception that Islam is compatible with Western liberal democracy. The MSA asserts Islam embodies a political ideology in which men can not chose the laws that govern them.
“Islam is the name of a way of life which the Creator wants us to follow. We avoid the word religion because in many non-Islamic societies, there is a separation of “religion and state.” This separation is not recognized at all in Islam: the Creator is very much concerned with all that we do, including the political, social, economic, and other aspects of our society. Hence, Islam is a complete way of life.”
“The Qur’an and Sunnah are the only two mediums by which Allah has directly taught us about Islam. This leads us to the following simple but critical principle: If any man or woman engages in a belief or action which clearly contradicts the Qur’an or Sunnah, then that belief or action cannot be thought of as `Islamic’ This rule applies whether the man or woman is Muslim or non-Muslim.”
“Islam is a complete way of life. Given this, it is not surprising that the Creator is concerned with the method which we choose to govern ourselves. The preeminent rule which the Islamic state must observe is stated in the Qur’an (translation follows): [4:59] O you who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If you differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if you do believe in Allah and the Last Day; That is best, and most suitable for final determination.
From this verse, it is clear that the state’s obligation of obedience to the Creator is as important as the obedience of the individual. Hence, the state must derive its law from the Qur’an and Sunnah. This principle excludes certain choices from the state’s options for political and economic systems, such as a pure democracy, unrestricted capitalism, communism, socialism, etc. For example, a pure democracy places the people above the Qur’an and Sunnah, and this is disobedience to the Creator.”
The view that the Koran is to be the highest respected legal authority in the US, replacing our very Constitution, is a view also held by the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), and the Muslim American Society (MAS). a Washington lobbying group whose voter registration arm has been found to have recently flooded a registrars office in Louisiana with falsified voter registration forms. The Muslin Student Association which has chapters at many US universities.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/notislam/misconceptions.html
Well, the basic root of Islam is shared with salaam (which does mean “peace”, as well as “hello” and “goodbye”, much like the Hebrew cognate, “shalom”). All Semitic languages–which include Arabic and Hebrew–feature vocabularies in which the words are based on three root letters. In the case of “Islam” and “salaam”, the root letters are s-l-m. ALL Arabic words based on this root formation have a linguistic connection (note that additional letters preceding or following the root letters make adjustments; the “m” that precedes s-l-m is usually indicative of a person, similar to the -er/-or suffixes in English–like “leader” and “conductor” indicating people who perform the actions).
I would also note that, in all this anti-Islamic ranting, that much of Israel’s government supports Orthodox Jewish teachings. Orthodox Judaism is almost as strict with regards to women as Islam (read the Old Testament and you’ll find that a woman who’s having her period is expected to avoid the synagogue to avoid “polluting” it; women are expected to dress modestly and, even today in many ultra-Orthodox communities, women aren’t supposed to continue their education much past their 12th or 13th birthdays, and many ultra-Orthodox women still submit to arranged marriages). Orthodox Jewish communities are allowed to actually shut down streets and prohibit ANY type of transportation on the Sabbath. Many Western fast-food restaurants are forced to comply with Kosher food laws (and, some are not allowed to sell certain products if they can’t be made purely Kosher). Even Western-owned hotels have faced trouble over selling non-Kosher foods to WESTERN (non-Jewish) tourists.
And, then ther’s the Wailing Wall. Women are restricted to a certain portion of the Wall and the police have actually arrested women who’ve been in the wrong area.
Posting quotes from a prominent supposedly mainstream Islamic organization in the United States, the Muslim Student Association, that says Islam is incompatible with separation of church and state and that Islam must be the highest law of the land is an anti-Islamic rant. That tells me that JozefAL believes protecting and defending the inalienable rights of individuals to freedom and equal protection under the law under the Constitution of the United States is anti-Islamic.
Religion and ‘culture’ make unusually good hiding places for the hatred of all things female. They’ve been used for centuries.
The brother of a 16-year old girl was just charged with her murder by strangulation in Canada. Her crime? She didn’t want to wear a hijab.
Brother faces first-degree murder charge
But we mustn’t condemn him, after all his religion and culture instructed him to do it…so that’s okay then. If the things done to women worldwide were based on race rather than gender it would be called genocide. Since its only women suffering, we’ll just call that ‘cultural difference’, shall we.
I seem to remember a time when a man said “God made me do it..” and we locked his crazy ass away. Now we just kiss his ass and let him get away.
Anyone think the massive transfer of wealth to middle eastern oil countries is a good thing? Watch continued tolerance of abuses.
Where is Congress/President in coming up with a real energy policy. Or investigating oil companies who have discovered it is more profitable to keep oil in the ground than supply it because prices are rising.
Don’t expect Obama to fight for anything.
I think if the republicans play their cards right they could become the voice for women. Of course you would still have the moralist’s on the far right but increasingly they are becoming marginalized.
Look at O’Reilly. His show is full of female guests. Greta has become a real champion for women. Even Hannity knows that if the Republican party wins over women then they will have a permanent majority.
Republicans need to reinvent themselves and McCain has said that he will appoint more women in his cabinet than in history. The women he appoints will then affect policy.
The New Republican party will be about respect and equality to women.
I see it happening!!
The New Democrats seem to have become the latest fad party of the filthy rich — I see your scenario happening as well.
OBAMA LOVERS HAVE DEATH THREATS FLYING AROUND THAT IS VIOLENCE
What should the US Government do to the Democratic Party for holding a sham of an election like the African Nation of Zimbabwe a cousin country to Kenya?
The U.S. has financial and travel penalties in place against more than 170 citizens and entities with ties to Mugabe of Zimbabwe, the White House says.
http://hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com/electionfraud.aspx
Hey Pagan,
You will like this man. He is railing against the Human Rights Council in this video.
Notice the response he gets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhWgZu6tcZU
I agree, enough with the euphemisms:
Here are the terms:
Clitoridectomy: partial or total removal of the clitoris (a small, sensitive and erectile part of the female genitals) and, rarely, the prepuce (the fold of skin surrounding the clitoris) as well.
Excision: partial or total removal of the clitoris and the labia minora, with or without excision of the labia majora (the labia are “the lips” that surround the vagina).
Infibulation: narrowing of the vaginal opening through the creation of a covering seal. The seal is formed by cutting and repositioning the inner, and sometimes outer, labia, with or without removal of the clitoris.
Yes- while your mother and aunts hold you down as you are mutilated with a cermonial sharpened rock or knife. If infection doesn’t kill you first, childbirth just may.
Yes, the word “circumcision” is a euphemistic term that really means a clitordectomy (removal of the clitoris).
If an equivalent procedure was performed on a man, this would mean the removal of his penis.
Women who have been brutalized by infibulation
(victims of the “more mutilization the better” mindset)suffer a life time of pain and suffering- if the violent act itself doesn’t kill them.
Remember- the US had no qualms about condemning Chinese foot binding of girls a century ago- but now, with genital mutilation - ” Aw geeze, we don’t want to offend anyone’s culture or religion. Does that country have oil we might need?”
WE NEED TO GET OUT OF THE UN NOW. NO MORE OF OUR TAX DOLLARS. NO TO OBAMA. PUMA
Larry this might be worth an investigation. Ck this blog out at http://www.hcsfjm.com/comments17.html
Date and Time June 28 2:20 PM
User Name Sands SC
Subject NBC News
Comments Just in case you happened to see the ABC News piece (if you watch ABC News)with interviews of 5 military folks in Iraq,
3 planned to vote for Obama and 2 for Hillary; no mention of any McCain supporters. Well, here’s the “Rest of the Story.”
This is from Major General (ret) Buckman. My niece, Katelyn, stationed at Baluud , Iraq was assigned, with others of herdetachment, to be escort/guard/ watcher for Martha Raddatz of ABC News as she covered John McCain’s recent trip to Iraq .
Katelyn and her Captain stood directly behind Raddatz as she queried GI’s walking past. They kept count of the GI’s and you should remember these numbers. She asked 60 GI’swho they planned to vote for in November. 54 said John McCain, 4 for Obama and 2 for Hillary.Katelyn called home and told her Mom and Dad to watch ABC news the next night because she was standing directly behind Raddatz and maybe they’d see her on TV. Mom and Dad of course,called and emailed all the kinfolk to watch the newscast and maybe see Katelyn.Well, of course, we all watched and what we saw wasn’t a glimpse of Katelyn, but got a hell’uvaview of skewed news. After dissertation on McCain’s trip and speech, ABC showed 5 GI’s being asked by Raddatz how they were going to vote in November; 3 for Obama and 2 for Clinton . No mention of the 54 for McCain.
This is just more proof of how most of the news people are handling the election. I firmly believe the whole thing has been a set up for a long time. We must do all we can to allow people to see and understand the danger of electing Obama. There is still time to rid our great nation of such a lying and non qualified person such as Obama. Since we can’t have Hillary because of the DNC we must do all we can do get McCain in the White House.
This report has already been proven to be FALSE.
Correct — check the story links on NQ — Larry Johnson already exposed this as a lie PLUS there is a response from the reporter who was slandered.
Who the hell put the UN in charge of America anyhow?
We let terrorists in this country and then we even train them. We let anybody in here. It’s not like the immigration of our grandparents. If you had a criminal record then you never made it on the boat. If you have a serious communicable disease you never got OFF that boat. If you commited a crime you got deported IMMEDIATELY. And “crime” was defined by what our country regards as a crime, not the frigging UN.
All I can say is, it’s a good thing the supremes didn’t uphold that total gun ban. We are all going to need one if somebody doesn’t get control of what’s going on around us. I might go down, but not before I empty my clip and my dog has a snack. I will NEVER capitulate to the crap of the middle east. Not alive, I won’t. Our laws of this country are the laws EVERYONE is expected to follow no matter where they come from. If they don’t like it, they can go back. The left cliff wing of this party, AKA memebers of the dead socialist and communist parties that can’t win elections, are crazy people and they are NEVER going to take over this country and allow rapists, jihadists, child molesters and what all else just roam free. This is bullshit. These whackos are no better than the whack job right cliff Republican nutbag people. They might even be worse, if that’s at all possible.
My rule of thumb is, if Bill Ayers thinks the guy is a good choice, he’s not. I remember that sociopath when he was blowing up America and I am NOT impress. Same goes for Rashid Kahlidi, Hamas and a guy named Alsammarae and Pakistani citizens holding private fundraisers.
I agree with you on the immigration thing and allowing just anyone into the country.
i agree
these things are DISGUSTING. Female genital mutiliation and all of the other abuses of women. UNACCEPTABLE.
I wonder how “unacceptable” they are to the majority of the Obama pisspots who show up on this board in swarms but seem to be absent from this thread.
Perhaps they would like to volunteer their mothers to go first.
Uppity- they are confuzzled. They don’t have pat Axelrod sanctioned talking points to counter with. I am sure they are busy googling genital mutilation and sending furious urgent emails to Nobama headquarter for marching orders. I am sure soon we will have a statement from him. Non-committal of course, flip-flopping from previous statements, to which he will tell the Euthopians his statement was misconstrued. After he throws the Somolian girls under the bus.
These acts are unacceptable and disgusting when you consider the motivations. Why do we circumcise male babies? Disease prevention. Why are women mutilated in the ways described above - clitoral and labial removal, their vaginas partially or fully sealed? As punishment and to force them to conform to gender roles, even at the risk of their lives. It is inexcusable.
“I thought that the word Islam was supposed to mean peace.”
Islam does NOT mean peace. Salaam means peace.
Islam means SUBMISSION.
I have to be honest with you. I know some very normal western Muslims. I think that the theocracies over in the middle east, those places like Pakistan that Barky Obama is so fond of, they control things and have a twisted view of their religion, much the same as a crackpot like Pat Robertson does. The only difference is, over here, killing people for not following your theology will get you a lethal injection.
The normal Western Muslims you know are most likely Ahmadiyya Muslims. This branch of Islam evolved in the late 19th century as a reformist or enlightenment movement. It’s original adherents typically are educated and secular. However, the Ahmadiyya in numbers compose an insignificant number of Muslims.
But the Ahmadiyya are considered heretics or apostates in mainstream Islamic thought. In Indonesia, the largest Islamic country, the Ahmadiyya are being persecuted since they do not conform to one of the four legally recognized religions. They are outlawed in Pakistan. Other than western countries, the largest community of Ahmadiyya is in India, only about one million strong in that vast country, where the courts ruled that they had to be recognized as Muslims.
The more recent Muslims emigrating to Europe and the US tend to be Sunni of the Hanbali, which includes Wahhabism, and Salafi. these are the two most fundamental sects and are growing from the influx of Saudi petro dollars financing mosques to promote this austere or pure original Islam in the West. In Minnesota, cab drivers following these sects of Islam have refused fares, such as at the Minneapolis airport, that have carried alcohol. CAIR has defended their right to refuse fares under freedom of religion. These sects are also imposing, under the guise of freedom of religion, public schools in the US to fund Muslim only prayer rooms and segregation of public facilities.
Well I sure as hell ain’t submitting to any of them.
These concerted actions in the UN can easily be seen as steps in a plan to gain control of western societies. By promoting self-censorship in international discourse. The Islamists redact criticism and create the false view that Islam is a passive and tolerant ‘religion’. Fanatics of all religious sects can then join in the mayhem of accusation and repression.
Diderot may have been right after all…
There are many who argue that this is the case. I always pooh poohed it, but I’m not so sure any longer. Look at the attitude of a certain candidate’s close advisors and friends toward Israel. I see The Children adopting that attitude like the good little ignorant robots they are. And Israel is the ONLY democracy in the middle east.
I don’t blame American Jews for being on guard with this bunch. Not at all.
…and American women had best take heed. This is not fairy tale stuff. It really happens.
And I suppose if human sacrifice were still being practiced under religious law that too would be considered “too sensitive, too complex” to condemn?
This is when “political correctness” and moral equivalency become dangerous and totally stupid. When we become so squeamish about calling an offense for what it is [regardless of the excuse] then we’ve lost our own moral and ethical compass.
Sickening that such idiocy has been made UN policy. The world has become the Madhatter.
agreed
Yeah, but you’re talking HUMAN sacrifice. This is just women. Not people or anything.
*seethe*
Does anyone have statistics of these atrocities for Iraq both before and after Saddam?
Saddam and the Baathists were secular as some of the world’s most brutal dictators were.
Sounds a lot like what we’ve all been commenting about here on this blog with regard to Obama. Dissent squashed by charges of racism, etc.
I thought that the word Islam was supposed to mean peace.
That’s propaganda. Islam means “submission” - to the will of Allah. The only way to have peace is to submit.
McCain wants a League of Democracies to sideline the corrupt and tyrannical UN. One more reason to vote for him.
You know — McCain has DONE something. He has saved one female life — his adopted daughter. Women’s lives aren’t worth much at all in the culture his daughter was born into. I have a lot of respect for the McCains for this reason — they have DONE something and are still involved in charities that help individuals.
The Obamas have done NOTHING — except donate to their racist church. Oh and buy that fancy mansion with the help of a convicted felon.
Hillary Clinton’s speech in China at the UN meeting about human rights = women’s rights — Clinton was very much aware of the hell many women are born into.
THIS issue is WHY America needs a knowledgeable, experienced, compassionate FEMALE President at this point in time.
Obama could care less — the females that are bowing down to Obama — I have zero respect for.
This is one of the many reasons I will NEVER EVER vote for snObama. He just doesn’t get it — he is clueless.
This U.S. election is letting every American worm out of the can — or, perhaps, opening Pandora’s Box is more appropriate given Pagan Power’s essay. Thank you for bringing to our attention Islamic brutal treatment of girls and women and the UN’s desire to turn a blind eye to this human right as well as many others. I used to be very suspicious of John Bolton, but maybe we (and some former) Democrats must rethink our policies in numerous areas. No paying dues or even being members in any organization, especially the UN, that does not know what “human rights” means — for men, women, and children. One must have some respect for the Western Enlightenment in order for that idea to be a possibility.
bHo’s desire to tax Americans (the law is going through Congress right now) and give the money to “poor people” through the UN is an absolute travesty. The first action that will begin to solve any global problem is BIRTH CONTROL; without a serious campaign and funding for contraception and limited family size we all are lost. There are a few billion people too many on this planet right now, and people who limit their procreation are not going to pay for those who do not. Stopping poverty is our mantra today; we need to change that to “two babies per couple” until the population numbers seriously decline. We should be giving aid to those countries that are making an attempt to solve their problems and who are moving towards human rights.
This might seem too far away from the topic at hand, but in countries where there are way too many people for the economy, the land, the social services, girls and women are the first to suffer. Whacked-out ideas like genital mutilation for girls can spread so much faster when women have little economic power and their families have no land to till, or herds to tend, or jobs in cities. I believe these are the co