So Not Getting Over It: You Renfields Can Bite Me
By Ginaswo on June 30, 2008 at 2:49 AM in Just Say No Deal, JustSayNoDeal.Com, PUMA, PUMAPac
A guest rant by Ginaswo.
What I find really Hillyarious, is that now everyone on Team Uhhbama has been instructed to use ‘get over it’ as if that will somehow take the words out of Uhhbamas mouth and make it less offensive and condescending if they all say it or variations of it…
Obama said it
Rendell said it on MSNBC
Sebelius said it
Pelosi said it
Emilys List said it
all the REALLY KEWL blogs are saying it
This of course, just continues to show us that under no circumstances will we, the most loyal constituency of the party (despite Brazile’s claims to the contrary), we 52% of the populace (yet still a minority), and our male compatriots for Democracy, be shown little if any respect (or consideration, or honor or gratitude for years of work for the party) not then, not now and not going forward.
God Forbid they should try to pander to US, or ASK what issues we feel need to be addressed to UNITE.
NAH why do that when you can continue your primary pattern of invalidating us and our candidate as people, as voters, as Democrats, as freakin’ human beings.
But everyone else, Indies, GOP crossovers, hunters, conservatives, liberals, everyone BUT us, well to THEM the party panders like crazy … got an issue? Uhhbamas got a position, cant guarantee it’ll be the same tomorrow, but he has a position ..no white papers on line for us though, not for the concerned disenfranchised disillusioned Democrats.
‘Deadenders’ — that they can do, give us a snotty, nickname, one used here in the USA by none other than Rumsfeld and Cheney, NIIIIICE….
But this group calling themselves the Democratic leadership and Uhhbama Campaign and followers, well they never miss a chance to give us another back of the hand, get over it-esque comment and a reminder that we will ‘come home’, or ‘don’t have anywhere else to go’ or ‘would be certifiably crazy’, or just ’spiteful and self-destructive’ to go with the other candidate.
Better yet, throw some sexist stereotypes in there while you’re at it! Use the platform of a known former pro Hillary site and really go wild, put up a caricature of all of us as an older white woman cutting off her nose to spite her face! sure!! my only question there was, hey where’s the cats? don’t all old white ladies have cats?
That’s the way, remind us we are somehow lesser and expressing independent non-lemming like thought and action is, after all, something we have difficulty doing, we have always ‘come home’ before, it is for the ‘greater good’, we wont REALLY WANT to do that independent action thing! Why we are just being, you know, female!
Even the millions of men, yep, you too, are (I take it from what we see out there), apparently suffering something similar to what some husbands feel when their wives are pregnant: symptoms of female fickle-mindedness and emotionality in sympathy with their wives, Yeah that’s it!!
And of course, be sure Uhhbama campaign and its Renfield lackeys, to use as many stereotyped images and code words as you can (especially you media and would-be poser progressive bloggers), don’t pull punches now: ‘emotional’, ’spiteful’ ‘hotheaded’ ‘petulant’ ‘whiny’ ‘unreasonable’ ‘illogical’ ‘wrong-headed’ ‘vindictive’ ‘hormonal’…
This is nothing new. What IS new IMO is seeing Democrats and Progressives perform the seemingly impossible feat of simultaneously acknowledging varying degrees of sexism in the coverage of Hillary’s candidacy, and at the same time and OFTEN IN THE SAME PIECE use gender biased and stereotyped words, images, and patterns of thinking in their coverage of and treatment of the supporters of Hillary Clinton who have decided not to support Senator Obama and/or the Democratic Party in the Fall.
The Psychological Needs analyses indicated that the male stereotypes were always higher on Dominance, Autonomy, Aggression, and Exhibition, and usually higher on Achievement and Endurance. The female stereotypes were always higher on Abasement, Deference, Succorance, and Nurturance, and usually higher on Affiliation and Heterosexuality. No pancultural tendencies were observed for Change, Order, or Intraception.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2294/is_7-8_40/ai_55083943/pg_1?tag=artBody;col1
Sex Roles, 1999. Williams, Best et al
Is that what is really bothering the machine at this point? It was evident throughout Hillary’s run but at a lower volume IMO. That ongoing meme that Hillary should somehow be campaigning FOR Obama every time she was out on the trail for herself. If she didn’t mention him, didn’t defend him enough, didn’t in fact tout him to one and all, or heaven forefend attempted to put herself forward, it clearly bothered the media, the pundits, progesssive bloggerz. They somehow felt SHE shouldto promote HIM.
They have now determined to apply this standard to US. Apparently, now that we, as a block, are not ready willing or able to climb on board their Unity pony, it is our turn to be lambasted as gdisabled children who should be laying down and thinking of America but instead are standing up and thinking of….well America.
In the World According to Kos, regardless of who we are or what our issues are or where weor what we do or what our hgopes, dreams and asp. It is our ‘duty’ to sacrafice ourselves and our needs and issues on the altar to glory of the One, (as he represents THEIR glorification).
We need to ‘make nice’ we need to be ‘agreeable’, to ‘enable’ Obama, it OFFENDS them that we won’t on some deep level.
The situation has in fact gotten worse IMHO and not better, as people who seemed reasonable to our positions as recently as two weeks ago, flipped their switch and dialogues and have now joined in applying this gender biased bashing to millions of their fellow Democrats. It is the Obama Primary Meme going wide. It was awful on the small scale ans just as much when others join in.
the key words, behaviors we DON’T adopt that these Obama PUSHERS are looking for from ‘women’:
DEFER
APPEASE
NURTURE
SUCCOR
We aren’t filling any of these stereotyped gender roles for them and they don’t seem to be able to do anything but throw other gender biased code words at us to make themselves feel better about it and dismiss us. When the ‘girl’ won’t gp out with you it’s because she was anyway right? How many times have they used the prom date analogy in the past few weeks, the answer-quite a few. The reason-positively Freudian.
After all, isn’t that the traditional method for dealing with an uppity woman, ignore her, shun her, label her with a literal or metaphorical A or in this case, a cat?. Isn’t that what they threatened Hillary with, shunning her in the Senate if she didn’t ‘make nice’, ‘get over it’.
It says it all, enable us, validate us succor us and nurture us as we throw you under da bus.
NO.
In fact, FRAK NO, maybe you haven’t heard but we aren’t one issue voters, and we don’t HAVE to do anything, you haven’t taken our liberty yet frakkers..and as Oprah told us, we are after all, free women and men, obligated to no pone by gender, or religion, or nationality, or political affiliation, or ‘tone’ of any kind. We are united in our independence in fact, something that seems to really bug them for some reason. Could it be because this position is antithetical tto the implementation and assimilation into the Obamanation? Yeah.
Keep being condescending, sweeties, you make it so much sweeter to pull that lever for BIG MAC..
and you give our proselytizing to get other DEMS , INDIES and GOPers to join us so SWEET and full of PASSION and ENERGY..that emotionality you decry may be something more, patriotism, faith, pride, self determination as impetus, Yeah, things like that.
Nothing gets me revved quite as much as some putz without guts like Pelosi on Greta, or that buffoon Capus at MSNBC, and this faux journalist Traitster and their ilk, telling us what we WILL DO or HAVE TO DO or MUST DO..
I don’t take my motivation from these continual turds shat upon Democracy, but I do take them as little reminders; like reeking post it notes of the slow decay of Democracy if we don’t stand up for fair expression and representation of our votes as cast, and push back against Media and Hollywood and Corporate branded and funded candidates who are UNQUALIFIED and ILL SUITED to be our CIC and POTUS.
Our work at Justsaynodeal and its affiliates has the added bonus of keeping the media Renfields and their keepers off their message to the wider electorate, if they are busy trying to lecture or hold half the base, it seems they can’t get the other margin they need to win (sure they will cheat and steal votes, but they will need SOME legitimate votes to make it look good after all!)..
BWAAAHAAA
MuuHuuuHaaaaaa
LOVES IT
PUMA BABY
And all you Renfields, well you can BITE ME!!!
I would love to know how many men,like myself are part of PUMA. Maybe an online poll might help.
Male PUMA, 47, Latino. West Coast.
I would assume there are many, many of us.
Far more than the pundits and the Obama/DNC cabal realize, or at least are willing to admit to.
There are MANY male Hillary supporters.
But the Obama cowards are afraid to pick on them. Picking on women is alot easier to them.
It sure as hell won’t help them on Election Day. :-
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Well said. You nailed it!
Easier by far for the DNC and BO’s campaign folks to say any disunity is due to post-menopausal women feeling “hurt”. You know how emotionally unstable these PUMA women are, right?
And yes, you PUMA men are just racist.
Male Puma, 53, Chapel Hill
Ginaswo: chill (just a little bit). There is a sizable contingent from the “male” community who dislike the DNC and Uhhbama as much as you do. I would stipulate that you have more reasons. But some males can recognize a bad joke (and disaster in the making) when they see one.
However many there are of you, we thank each and every one of you for your support, your intelligence, and your good common sense. Tell your friends about PUMA.
male Puma 42 new jersey
Has anyone noticed the more we don’t fall into line the more vocal they become.We are like a sore that won’t heal and the longer it is around, the more it irritates them. If things run as usual, the DNC, Obama, and all his cronies, will become even more agitated, which should contribute to their spewing off at the mouth. Hound can not be seen any other way than anti-PUMA. Instead of confronting our issues, they insist on trying to shove this unqualified candidate even further down our throats. Obama is the prime example of a candidate when given power can destroy whatever he is connected with. He and his associates are just out to line their own pockets at the expense of all Americans. We MUST NOT give in and work to get others to join our cause. America is the prize and ewveryone knows Americans want to win. DOWN WITH THE DNC AND OBAMA…….GO PUMAS…OUR FIGHT HAS JUST BEGUN……..ROAR!!!!!!!!!!
like a sore that won’t heal-
thought that was Israel according to Obama
Ha ha. You beat me to the punch.
Obama has redesigned his Presidential Seal to reflect his attitude towards Hillary’s 18 million voters. Check it out:
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/05cd17105f.png
I will not vote Obama. PUMA all the way!
I have absolutely no intention honoring the Obama fawners’ mantra of “get over it”. No way!
In fact, I am in the process of “getting on with it”.
By “it” I mean the effort to defeat Obama, the DNC, and all of the sell-outs that support them.
However, after I, along with many others of you on this blog, have done exactly that. Beaten them, humiliated them, and guaranteed that they will not ascend to power.
I shall then be glad to remind them of their denigrating chant, by condescendingly urging them to “get over it”.
As for now, and for this election, I sincerely suggest that they “get Over” the idea of ever getting my vote.
“In fact, I am in the process of “getting on with it”.”
That’s the truth!! I like that! I’m “getting on with it” too. We’re getting Obama’s ass OUT of the picture in November.
I just wish Obama would get over the expectation that we are going to come around. He can get over that idea. We ain’t coming around. No Way, No How, Nobama.
Not getting over it! Get used to it!
Great article. Thank you.
I still cannot help thinking that I am an unpaid whore because I feel used by the Republicans and certainly used my(?) party. I guess the major difference is that the Republicans are wooing me and the Democrats keep insulting me.
I had signed up for Democrats for McCain and within hours of Hillary’s “concession,” I had a phone call from McCain’s people. My party took it for a given that I would fall in line.
McCain has publically acknowledged that we may not share every view, but that I was welcome and there are issues we are in agreement.
There is no way any one candidate or party can represent all of my views. I have always crossed party lines issue by issue, but up until now, I have stayed a party-line Democrat when it came to voting. No more.
I will take a chance on a candidate that I can trust over one who blows smoke. I am able to disagree. I get mad when pandered to and I know that Obama stands on a slim reed.
When I look around, it is hard for me to see many women in positions of power. I guess there is equality on paper and I always assumed that one day there would be a true equality. When I press my friends and coworkers, it is hard for them to name more than three women in positions of power. Oprah always makes the list.
At this point, I doubt I will ever see a woman President in my lifetime. I just do not understand it all. Am I to be grateful that we have come along way in the last 50 years? Sure I am, but why can I not expect it all?
I swear, I cringe everytime I hear “pantsuit.” What the heck are the men wearing? I guess they just wear the standard or normal “suit” or even “business suit.” Women wear “pantsuits” because we are not quite men. How dare we take off those skirts?
I know, I know. I should get over it and stop being so emotional.
Pantsuit remarks are just a few of the mulitudinous sexist remarks thrown at HRC and her female supporters this election. And of course do not forget how racist you are.
We male supporters have all been branded as racists, ignorant, never Democrats, etc.
I have never witnessed such pernicious, ad-hominem attacks on one segment, of either political party, by a faction of the same party.
I am inured to such, and hope if you are not already, you will soon become so.
You have nothing to “get over”, and your emotions are very understandable given the betrayal of the party towards women, and all long time loyalists.
Hopefully we, men and women, who find the whole episode disgusting can make our feelings heard loudly and clearly, and discourage anyone from ever taking us for granted again.
Thank you for being understanding. Most of my complaints are just against the ONE. I could never mention gender again and still fight the good fight. I am just so insulted that I have been lumped into this bitter category due to my gender, age and education. (I do have a cat- but still
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This guy is beyond belief. Even I know that Jerusalem is off limits. I am positive that I know more about our relationship with Pakistan than Obama ever would. As for Iraq, easy to lie that he would pull troups out day one. What a liar and panderer. We need Iraq since we can not always depend on Saudi. I can look on a world map- I know exactly what it happening. Look at our footholds all around Iran. Not that I am saying we are looking for war- I am saying that we are not looking for more war. Obama lacks perspective.
He has no idea about the income tax system and he has not developed ONE plan. His hypothetical tax on the “wealthy” changes depending what crowd he is talking to.
He is so pay to play that is is sickening. I can hardly read his quotes- pointing out grammar errors has become a sport. The media has been far too kind.
My dad is a PUMA too. We came to independent decisions last year. I was somewhat embarrassed to tell him that I would vote McCain if Hillary did not get the nomination. He was surprised, but he said he had made the same decision after voting 40 years a Democrat.
I come to this decision the same way, I have been a voting, donating, campaigning, Democrat for 46 years. I do not take my decision to vote for McCain lightly.
It is a considered conclusion based on the fact that Obama remains an unknown to me, and seems, as you mentioned, to be totally in over his head. He and his followers tell me to just trust him. I cannot do so.
I have trusted the Clintons, warts and all, throughout their political lives to have the intelligence, the fortitude, and an understanding of America and Americans as a whole to govern fairly and well. I have not been disappointed.
I cannot support Obama because of what I see as his dearth of such attributes. Also, I have never seen, nor heard of, a serious candidate for President with such an elusive history, and an “un-papered” record of public service and academics.
Then, adding into the mix a coterie of divisive, unsavory, mysterious, and hate-driven mentors and associates, leaves me no rational choice other than to avoid him like the plague.
Therefore, I will vote for McCain. I do know much about him, some things I admire, and others I disagree with totally. Having said that, I still would rather deal with a known devil or foe, as opposed to the stealth devil or foe.
McCain to me is at least “real” and has a record, Obama remains an enigma.
‘Just a Thought’ expresses my thoughts so well……..concur completely. 41 yrs voting for Dems for POTUS…….not this yr. Sometimes I don’t like McCain but still would feel better with him in the White House. I can not understand the DNC this yr…dropped my monthly contribution in April. I guess I was a little late with that, maybe 5 yrs too late but no more to the DNC. PUMA!
“At this point, I doubt I will ever see a woman President in my lifetime.”
If Obama loses there is a good chance you will see Hillary make it in 2012, if Obama wins I don’t think Hillary will ever run again. I’m surprised a lot of the No Deal people don’t realize this and actually have a goal of Obama losing which means they need to vote for McCain since he is the only one who has a chance to defeat Obama.
No doubt, more women will be running in the future. I don’t know much about Sarah Palin but some Republicans told me that she may be someone who runs in the future or gets on someone’s ticket as a VP.
Why should you or any of us get over it? We have been sold a bill of goods and they have failed to deliver. Watching this line of talk show appearances by former Hillary supporters is like watching tapes of hostages reading prepared statements.
Oborg are sociopaths, bottom line. They enjoy giving Hillary supporters the back of the hand, they can’t help it.
Like leader, like followers.
I started commenting here to try to challenge the Obama-bashers. But the more I read, the more I feel swayed by the PUMA position. Ginaswo’s post put me over the top. I’m with you! I’m votin’ for the guy who called his wife a c**t in public!
Somewhere up in heaven, Lee Atwater is smiling.
You are the reason we will never vote for Obama. You offer no substance. Your posts are always hateful. Sad.
Kelly, I don’t think it’s hateful to point out the irony of women leading a movement to disregard their own political interests as Democrats… and try to elect a man whose treatment of his wives has been less than exemplary.
You — yes, you — women! We’re gonna tell you where your interests lie. You’re too stupid to think for yourselves.
Your place is on the Democrat plantation, and you’re only allowed to concern yourselves with Roe v. Wade. We want you to think that it will be overturned, and you will vote for us, lockstep, in perpetuity.
But we do not practice the old politics of fear — no, no, no — we represent hope and change!
Just give people some peace. You are only here to be mean, because you are paid, or your ego? You won- be gracious. Everyone on knows what McCain said- but you had to repeat it and in this thread. You must enjoy saying it. No one here spells out the “N” word to make any point.
You are typifying the exact same behavior explained in this article. We are people in here. If you do not want our support- fine. I tell you that you win nothing with sarcasm and ugly imagery.
Really?
We dont want a congress who has been getting sweetheart deals from countryside, we dont want a congress who wants to have loophole bailouts that americans will pay for , we dont want congress who took this economy south as soon as they took control 18 months ago..we dont want more carters failed policies, or candidates who have no original words, oh yeah she rock she rocks..you a rock obamma a pet rock fad! not fit to be a senator let alone president you have coke fun with larry sinclair in the back seat of his car…not we dont want disrespectful person like this around our children..and congress demms can tell the americans to drop dead, they wont allow us to drill or use shale, or coal..dems dont like it if they cant get their mitts on our money,, and they will raise taxes on everything all the while saying its all bushs fault…
Well… I certainly can’t argue with any of that.
What has been more disastrous for our economy than the Bush tax cuts: the housing market crisis, the credit industry bailout and the wars. We keep hearing about the Bush tax cuts, and that’s assessing the situation rather narrowly.
I don’t recognize either one of these names as regular posters here. How do you know that they’re not trolls who are trying to make the site look bad? We get them all the time. They come on all the time and post something racially inflammatory to bait us.
Good for you. I should have only spoken for myself. Again- just a bunch a bullies and smart asses. -from the UK even (right). I also did not bother to say I had seen Obama folks use the N word here… but I was not trying to stir up trouble like you. You like to use that ugly word repeated above to hurt women? Because that is what you are defending.
You are a male chauvinist pig — because you don’t get it and you never will.
RESPECT — it is missing from snObama — he is an inadequate male — inexperienced and lazy.
When snObama deliberately insulted Hillary Clinton he insulted ALL women — some women are too damned stupid to know that they were insulted. snObama does not respect women.
snObama is a racist and he is a chauvinist pig — as are his followers.
snObama has no core values — he flip flops on every issue.
And most importantly — snObama LOST — he lost the electoral vote and he lost the popular vote. snObama lost the swing states — and he will not win — because enough of us care about AMERICA.
McCain is a patriot — he loves America.
The same cannot be said for snObama — because of the church snObama CHOOSE to attend for 20 years.
And WHERE THE HELL IS OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
PUMA!
“disregard their own political interests as Democrats”
Obama and the DNC did the above. And will definitely continue to do so if Obama is elected.
Those asses have proven well beyond doubt that they don’t give a shit about women in general. Only about their votes and money. So f— them.
To vote for Obama is to vote against women’s political interests.
I’m “disregarding my own interests”? Wrong. I am most assuredly looking out for my interests.
PUMA, sir, PUMA.
I am most assuredly looking out for my interests.
Which ones, if I may ask? The Supreme Court? Health care reform? Ending the war in Iraq?
If you would like to tell us what Senator Obama’s current plans are for any of these issues, that would be GREAT ….
Please bear in mind that he was going to vote for Roberts and then was cautioned not to by his colleagues …. He is opposed to universal health care and I would certainly encourage you to look at what mandated care for one segment does to the balance of the population does in models that have been done. As for Iraq? Please. He’s only been there ONCE. He has had so many positions on Iraq — including support for BLACKWATER and the other mercenaries — that he is not to be trusted on this particular issue. And I find it appalling that you would compare him to John McCain on this on. What about the economy which is where most Democrats outshine Republicans? You got nothing!
“I am most assuredly looking out for my interests.”
Which ones, if I may ask?
The most important is having an honest Democratic National Committee that doesn’t cheat on the primaries in order to install their choice of candidate. If the party isn’t honest we can’t support it. Supporting dishonesty (current DNC) will only make things worse for this country.
Ending the war in Iraq and in Afghanistan, as well as affordable healthcare and lower gas prices. Thanks - yes, all reasons I’m voting for McCain.
Let’s talk about Obama’s voting record on the war. Any talk of McCain’s personal life is irrelevant. It’s been rehashed exhaustively.
So, how do you explain Obama’s 20 pro-war votes that either fund the war, support those who lied to get us into war, or those who profitted from war such as Halliburton?
A PRO-WAR RECORD
Then there’s the matter of his actual policy and political record. If Obama is such (as many “progressives” seem to need to believe) an “antiwar” candidate, why has he offered so much substantive policy support to the criminal occupation and the broader imperial “war on terror” of which Bush says O.I.F. is a part? Here are some highlights from a summary of Obama’s U.S. Senate voting record recently sent to me by the Creative Youth News Team (CYNT 2007), a progressive African American advocacy organization:
“1/26/05: Obama voted to confirm Condoleezza Rice for Secretary of State. Rice was largely responsible…for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent victims in unnecessary wars…Roll call 2″
“2/01/05: Obama was part of a unanimous consent agreement not to filibuster the nomination of lawless torturer Alberto Gonzales as chief law enforcement officer of the United States (U.S. Attorney General).”
“2/15/05: Obama voted to confirm Michael Chertoff, a proponent of water-board torture… man behind the round-up of thousands of people of Middle-Eastern descent following 9/11. By Roll call 10.”
“4/21/05: Obama voted to make John ‘Death Squad’ Negroponte the National Intelligence Director. In Central America, John Negroponte was connected to death squads that murdered nuns and children in sizable quantities. He is suspected of instigating death squads while in Iraq, resulting in the current insurgency. Instead of calling for Negroponte’s prosecution, Obama rewarded him by making him National Intelligence Director. Roll call 107″
“4/21/05: Obama voted for HR 1268, war appropriations in the amount of approximately $81 billion. Much of this funding went to Blackwater USA and Halliburton and disappeared. Roll call 109 ”
“7/01/05: Obama voted for H.R. 2419, termed ‘The Nuclear Bill’ by environmental and peace groups. It provided billions for nuclear weapons activities, including nuclear bunker buster bombs. It contains full funding for Yucca Mountain, a threat to food and water in California, Nevada, Arizona and states across America. Roll call 172 .”
“9/26/05 & 9/28/05: Obama failed and refused to place a hold on the nomination of John Roberts, a supporter of permanent detention of Americans without trial, and of torture and military tribunals for Guantanamo detainees.”
“10/07/05: Obama voted for HR2863, which appropriated $50 billion in new money for war. Roll call 2 .”
“11/15/05: Obama voted for continued war, again. Roll call 326 was the vote on the Defense Authorization Act (S1042) which kept the war and war profiteering alive, restricted the right of habeas corpus and encouraged terrorism. Pursuant to his pattern, Obama voted for this. .”
“12/21/05: Obama confirmed his support for war by voting for the Conference Report on the Defense Appropriations Act (HR 2863), Roll call 366, which provided more funding to Halliburton and Blackwater. ”
“5/2/06: Obama voted for money for more war by voting for cloture on HR 4939, the emergency funding to Halliburton, Blackwater and other war profiteers. Roll call 103 .”
“5/4/06: Obama, again, voted to adopt HR4939: emergency funding to war profiteers. Roll call 112 .”
“6/13/06: Obama voted to commend the armed services for a bombing that killed innocent people and children and reportedly resulted in the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi… Michael Berg, whose son was reportedly killed by al-Zarqawi, condemned the attack and expressed sorrow over the innocent people and children killed in the bombing that Obama commended. Roll call 168 .”
“6/15/06: Obama voted for the conference report on HR4939, a bill that gave warmongers more money to continue the killing and massacre of innocent people in Iraq and allows profiteers to collect more money for scamming the people of New Orleans. Roll Call 171 .”
“6/15/06: Obama, again, opposed withdrawal of the troops, by voting to table a motion to table a proposed amendment would have required the withdrawal of US. Armed Forces from Iraq and would have urged the convening of an Iraq summit (S Amdt 4269 to S. Amdt 4265 to S2766) Roll Call 174 ”
“6/22/06: Obama voted against withdrawing the troops by opposing the Kerry Amendment (S. Amdt 4442 to S 2766) to the National Defense Authorization Act. The amendment, which was rejected, would have brought our troops home. Roll Call 181 ”
“6/22/06: Obama voted for cloture (the last effective chance to stop) on the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766), which provided massive amounts of funding to defense contractors to continue the killing in Iraq. Roll Call 183.”
“6/22/06: Obama again voted for continued war by voting to pass the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766) for continued war funding. Roll Call 186 .
9/7/06: Obama voted to give more money to profiteers for more war (H..R. 5631). Roll Call 239 ”
“9/29/06: Obama voted vote for the conference report on more funding for war, HR 5631. Roll Call 261 .”
“11/16/06: Obama voted for nuclear proliferation in voting to pass HR 5682, a bill to exempt the United States-India Nuclear Proliferation Act from requirements of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954. Roll Call 270 .”
“12/06/06: Obama voted to confirm pro-war Robert M. Gates to be Secretary of Defense. Gates is a supporter of Bush’s policies of pre-emptive war and conquest of foreign countries. Roll Call 272 ”
“Obama’s voting record in 2007 establishes that he continues to be pro-war. On March 28, 2007 and March 29th, 2007, he voted for cloture and passage of a bill designed to give Bush over $120 billion to continue the occupation for years to come (with a suspendable time table) and inclusive of funding that could be used to launch a war with Iran. Roll calls 117 and 126 …Obama’s record shows a minimum of 20 major pro-war votes…”
Wow. I might have worded things a little differently than CYNT at times, but that’s a damning bill of indictment.
Obama’s intra-Democratic political record also defies those who insistent on wrapping him in an antiwar flag. In 2006 Obama lent his celebrity and political finance assistance to neoconservative war Senator Joe Lieberman’s (”D”-Connecticut) struggle against the Democratic antiwar insurgent Ned Lamont. Obama supported other mainstream Democrats fighting genuinely antiwar progressives in primary races, collaborating with Democratic muscle man Rahm Emannuel’s campaign to marginalize “peaceniks” within the party (see Sirota 2006, Silverstein 2006 and Cockburn 2006).
In a November 2005 speech to the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Obama rejected Rep. John Murtha’s (D-Pa.) call for a rapid redeployment and any notion of a timetable for withdrawal. Obama advocated “a pragmatic solution to the real war we’re facing in Iraq” and made repeated references to the need to “defeat” the “insurgency.” This language meant continuation of the war (Ford and Gamble 2005).
Earlier that same year, Obama shamefully distanced himself from his fellow Senator Dick Durbin’s (D-IL) forthright criticism of U.S. torture practices at Guantanamo (Street 2005; Cockburn 2006).
And he still refuses to foreswear the use of first-strike nuclear weapons against Iran (Gerson 2007). As Kucinich pointed out during last night’s debate, this is what Obama’s comment that “all options are on the table” in regard to Iran really boils down to: the potential first black U.S. President is willing to seriously consider the launching of a thermonuclear attack on that country. Debate participant Mike Gravel (a left former U.S. Senator of Alaska)was thinking of that horrific possibility when said the following about the leading Democratic candidates (Obama included of course) last night: “these people scare me.”
Cut and pasted from this site..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×4643795#4643795
Which is quoted from this article.
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/15558
By John Lennon
Woman is the nigger of the world
Yes she is…think about it
Woman is the nigger of the world
Think about it…do something about it
We make her paint her face and dance
If she wont be a slave, we say that she dont love us
If shes real, we say shes trying to be a man
While putting her down, we pretend that shes above us
Woman is the nigger of the world…yes she is
If you dont believe me, take a look at the one youre with
Woman is the slave of the slaves
Ah, yeah…better scream about it
We make her bear and raise our children
And then we leave her flat for being a fat old mother hen
We tell her home is the only place she should be
Then we complain that shes too unworldly to be our friend
Woman is the nigger of the world…yes she is
If you dont believe me, take a look at the one youre with
Woman is the slave to the slaves
Yeah…alright…hit it!
We insult her every day on tv
And wonder why she has no guts or confidence
When shes young we kill her will to be free
While telling her not to be so smart we put her down for being so dumb
Woman is the nigger of the world
Yes she is…if you dont believe me, take a look at the one youre with
Woman is the slave to the slaves
Yes she is…if you believe me, you better scream about it
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We’re not all women. We already said we don’t agree with everything John McCain has said or done. We are not voting on strictly women’s issues, we are voting against a fraud and a charlatan and most of all the DNC and their selection process. We can get through four more years with McCain just fine, we are not so sure about Obama.
Its an ironic year, all round.
If Lee Atwater is smiling, it would be because he has so many want-to-be adherants like yourself still crawling around down here.
You do him proud with your constant prattle of mis-information, denigration, taunting, and insulting.
However, I think he would likely laugh at your ill-conceived, ego-driven idea of your importance, as opposed to being an insignificant pest, regarding posting in here and elsewhere. Not real sure what he thought of self-important posers, since he was the real deal.
But…I feel certain that he would admire, and be supportive of your pschoactive worship of your savior Obama, that was what he always tried to instill in followers regarding his candidates.
Yes, yes, yes. You do ol’ Lee proud blackman!
Should read “psychoactive”. Fingers and brain argue now and then, just like we Democrats.
If Lee Atwater is smiling, it’s because so-called Democrats are so busy sticking knives into the back of the Democratic nominee… there’s no room for GOP dirty-tricksters to stick theirs in.
I still don’t know how something so good went so wrong. The Democratic primaries were thrilling contests, voters were fired up as never before. I thought this would bode well for November, regardless of which one got the nomination.
Now, I’m witnessing a phenomenon I’ve never seen before. And it’s heartbreaking.
You must have come to the primary late, Black Man. Had you been involved all along you surely would have seen a phenomenon much more appalling than the one you are seeing now.
We “so-called Democrats” watched as the candidate we know to be better suited to govern this nation was not only stabbed, but virtually eviserated.
She was subjected to every conceivable insult and indinity by the Obama campaign, the DNC, the media, and Obama supporters. She endured all, fought, and proved her superiority.
The RBC, the DNC, and the Obama campaign worked furiously together to eliminate her, in favor of your chosen one, prior to the convention. Even resorting to logic defying math, and rule defying delegate theft, to do so.
As a result, neither you, nor any other Obama follower, will garner any empathy or sympathy from me regarding “your heartbreak” at the perceived phenomenon you are witnessing.
What you are seeing is not new, we have been here. We are resolute, and we are not considering unifying with entities that we find abhorrent.
So, if as you say, “the knives are out”, I guess it would be considered karma.
By the way, as yet there is no “nominee”, only a presumptive one. That could still change!
(scratching head) Did he win anything after February? Despite dumping buckets of money? I don’t think anyone was paying any attention to the voters because the “Democratic Party” had already made up its mind.
he won 6 of the last 15 primaries - one being Guam by 7 votes. She picked up over 500,000 votes in those primaries. and of course he outspent her in every single one. (scratching my head now)
BARF. All this from a white Canadian bitch with daddy issues. “The Democratic primaries were such thrilling contests.” If you were rooting for Brutus on the Ides of March, perhaps.
What is so heartbreaking about it is that the DNC selected the most undesirable, incompetent, inexperienced, disingenuous, flip-flopping candidate they could find!
As a proletariat I have larger concerns.
That comment allegedly said was originally founded by one author, Cliff Schecter in his tell all book.
Here is the humorous side of the whole c*unt drama making it the moot point it is in the big picture.
If the word offends you, do not click on this, but if you have a sense of humor, please do so:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Euu_DMhsXQo
Are you sure you don’t want to vote for a man whose spirtual advisor routinely scorned the US and ridiculed the Clintons during sermons at Obama’s church?
hey UBM, “welcome aboard” . . .
. . . you phony c##ksucker*
[* meant as a term of endearment ~ that was you on your knees in the back of BO's limo, right?]
UBM–
Then you won’t be voting for the guy who slapped his wife on the ass in public or the guy who pushes “sweeties” off. Good for you! No one has ever actually provided an attribution to this moment when JM supposedly called his wife a “c**t” but you know what? A lot of happily married people call each other really funny things in private. If he ever said that, I bet it was a slip. Because I’ve seen them up close and personal, living in AZ as I do, and they seem pretty happy with each other. So it’s really good to know that you’ve finally seen BO for what he is.
Undercover Black Man - no one can top Black Liberation Theology for misogyny. Starting with Stokely Carmichael’s famous quote that the best position for women in the Black Power movement is “prone”, and right up to the present with BLT preachers joking about a husband’s right to criticize his wife’s hair (supposedly analogous to Wright’s criticisms of USofKKKA) and you have an evil thread that has taken over the Democratic party this year. Frankly, I have no idea where Obama stands on the issues important to women, he’s flip-flopped to much on all the others. If folks find McCain too much to swallow, there’s always Nader.
Great post Ginaswo! I took a sleeping pill about 1/2 hour ago & now you’ve got me all hyped up again!
They’re seeing our “cats” now–big scary ones with deep growls, sharp claws and most important…millions of (male & female) non-bho voters.
This was an EXCELLENT read!
And yeah I wanna jump through the screen and bitch slap, maybe I should make that “butch” slap since we’re fighting sexism among other things here, every person who says as a matter of fact: “they” come to their senses, “they” come back home “they” do the RIGHT thing in the end. Speaking as if they say, we obey. Oie Vey!
Oh and BTW I am one of those 8-12% of black Americans who ISN’T voting for the Messiah, yes I wish I could apologize for the 92% that is, but oh well they’ll just have to learn to “get over it” after he loses…. Michelle can promise the Messiah will “heal our souls, and save this world” but I’ll just settle for cheaper gas right now, thank you!
Ooops that should be “they’ll” sorry! ^_^
Yeah, I’ll get over the laughing spell I’m gonna have when Obo isn’t elected in November. Frankly, I just believe him to be a fraud without elaborating.
But more to my point…I’m a little concerned.
Being of the persuasion that certain elite powers control most everything in our country, world, acknowledging that the war in on all of us and not a certain race, religion or class…having said that…
When Obama doesn’t win in November, there will be an uprising in many, many areas of the country.
I’m six states away from home in a sanctuary city and let me tell you, the tension you can cut with a knife.
My question, is anybody else noticing this?
Yes, the threat of riots at the DNC convention in Denver worked quite well to spook Dem leaders into railroading Hillary out and Barack in. The threats will be raised again in the general election. Let’s face it, does CNN want an ugly scene outside (and inside!) their Atlanta headquarters (Atlanta being, what, 60% African American)? Do Paramount and Disney and the other media conglomerates want riots in the streets outside their headquarters? And yes, I can just see the birkenstock-wearing, bedreadlocked Seattle-ites smashing their grande half-caff hazelnut soy lattes against the windows of Microsoft.
Oh yes, the threat is there. My response? Bring it on.
Don’t worry, we will. If you Clintonistas think you will hijack the election like Bush, you have another thing coming. We won’t hesitate to turn this country upside down and take it back from the ruling classes. Oh, wait. That’s not an issue anymore seeing as how she already LOST.
Ginaswo that is absolutely awesome and I thank you for your rant. You have expressed the rage burning inside me for months. Acknowledging it and embracing it will make the defeat of the party so much sweeter in November. The DNC and Obama have torn us apart and any attempt by them or the media to lay the blame at our doorstep doesn’t bother me at all. I’ll proudly accept the blame. The Democratic Party will lose in November and once that realization came to me, it brought me peace of sorts. This is the way it is and maybe they will understand or not. I don’t care. I don’t care about Roe V Wade and I am angry I have let that one issue be my guide in previous elections. They will try to make the campaign about Bush and McCain, but it will always be about Obama. He has made it so and it can’t be changed. My perception slowly changed, but the epiphany came on May 31, 2008. It is anarchy. A revolution in motion and it has a life of it’s own. They can no more change it or the outcome than they can stop the sunrise. Obviously they recognize, finally, there is a problem, but they have waited too long, overslept, daydreamed of their victory and they have become irrelevant. It’s been months since I watched CNN and MSNBC. I don’t read the WP or nyt or wsj. They have no information I want or need. I have taken myself beyond their influence. There are many things I may not understand about Obama, but I’ve been an activist long enough to understnad the games they play. I’ll suffer a moment of embarrassment at their stupity in the efforts to hijack all my beliefs and I an Free At Last.Been thinking a little of Dwight Eisenhower recently and how he kept things going. He was a military man, but not militant. When I place my vote for McCain, I’m going to think of Edinhower and pray.
We were in good with Eisenhower — the military personnel and families were in good hands.
snObama just is not CiC material — he doesn’t understand the military culture. He would be a danger to the military — because snObama is NOT a leader — he does not have good leadership characteristics. snObama has the talent to bring out the worst in his followers.
What I’m reading is that each of us has done some soul searching and have made a rational decision NOT to vote for Obama. Many of us have made the next decision to make sure that Obama does not get the keys to the white house that we must vote for McCain.
McCain isn’t perfect — but he is so much better than snObama that there is no contest.
PUMA!
I had heard about sites like this one and Hillaryis44 but had yet to peruse them until now. The ignorance you people have displayed is staggering. If you want your children in Iraq, awesome, put McCain in there. I noticed those of you who have posted their ages are all a bunch of old disgruntled people over 45. If you want to go to war with Iran, by all means, vote McCain.A man who has admitted he knows nothing about the economy, called his wife the c-bomb in front of several reporters, insulted the Clintons’ daughter (which makes it even more comical that you all want to vote for him), a man who even the Republicans are not thrilled with. Queen Clinton lost and you need to get over it. That sense of entitlement only gets low class white and Latino voters like yourselves so far. Maybe if you had sense enough to pursue higher education, kind of like Hillary did, you would be smart enough to see that you are only screwing yourselves and your children over. By the way, I voted for Clinton in the primary. Had I known then what I know now, I wouldn’t dream of voting for someone of her caliber.
Yeah……because having an iron fence kill a 3 year old boy thanks to Obama’s money men….is so much more honorable.
Or living in a mansion that was bought under shady circumstances…..a bonus for looking the other way. While those slums decayed even futher….is something full of ‘hope’ and ‘change’ to be cheered.
And that Bosnia-gate….is just so horrible compared to a real gate falling on a kid.
Whew…thankfully you woke up and drank the kool-aid in the knick of time so you could ignore Rezko, Auchi, Ayers, and t