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When Will MoveOn Get a Clue?

Barack Obama is NO friend to MoveOn. What has Barack Obama ever DONE for MoveOn? Why does MoveOn still put Obama’s photo on its home page and pander to him?

Obama attacked MoveOn head-on in his speech today for its ads criticizing General Petreaus in September 2007:

All too often our politics still seems trapped in these old, threadbare arguments – a fact most evident during our recent debates about the war in Iraq, when those who opposed administration policy were tagged by some as unpatriotic, and a general providing his best counsel on how to move forward in Iraq was accused of betrayal.

Last September, when Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) attached an amendment to a defense bill that condemned MoveOn’s ad, guess who stood up for MoveOn’s right to free speech (albeit ill-advised): It was Sen. Hillary Clinton, who voted against Sen Cornyn’s amendment. And now guess who hid out — even though he was in the building — to avoid voting to support MoveOn’s right to free speech:

Last September, when it mattered that he take a stand for MoveOn’s right to speech (even though it was a strategic blunder), Barack Obama was a “no show” in supporting MoveOn. Today, Barack Obama went out of his way to condemn MoveOn’s ad last September.

What fairy tale world do these MoveOn lefties live in that they can’t see that Barack Obama doesn’t care about them or their rights — even though he’s happy to scarf up all the money they’ll throw at him?

The obvious answer is that these MoveOn folks won’t be getting a clue any time soon.

MoveOn will keep parading photos of Obama on its home page.

MoveOn will continue its silly campaign to make Fox News end its racist attacks — playing RIGHT INTO Obama’s playbook to turn any criticism of him into a racist attack, thereby trying to silence his critics through shame and white guilt.

MoveOn will never acknowledge the political courage that Hillary Clinton showed in voting against Cornyn’s condemnation, even though MoveOn’s ad was idiotic and took the focus away from Petreaus’s defense of the Iraq War and made the general a sympathetic figure.

MoveOn has even disbanded its 527 because it actually believes Obama’s baloney about discouraging 527 ads. A New York Times blog explains that this is really just a shell game:

The liberal group, MoveOn.org, recently closed its dormant 527 but is hoping to raise some $40 million for the general election through its political action committee, which can accept donations of up to $5,000.

It recently teamed up with the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees to spend more than $500,000 on an anti-McCain commercial that aired nationally on cable and in Ohio, Wisconsin and Michigan.

Fund for America’s filings with the Internal Revenue Service, which only covered up to March 31, 2008, showed George Soros, the financier who has been a major donor to such organizations on the left, contributed $2.5 million to the organization, as did Stephen Bing, another major donor for Democratic causes.

There is a fool born every minute, and a good percentage of them unthinkingly give money to MoveOn — which in turn gives it to the candidate who didn’t stand up for them and who today spurned them because he found it advantageous politically to do so.

The one candidate who “stood up” for MoveOn got dirt kicked in her face by MoveOn and the left.

Go figure.

MoveOn, your chosen “One” will always have his hand extended to you. But only to take your money.

If you only knew how foolish you look.

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Comment by beverly leslie | 2008-06-30 18:50:38

Move on is a george Soros project. They will never abandon Barky. Barky is a fraud fraud fraud! He can do whatever he likes and Move on will lick where the sun don’t shine. Barky is a fraud!

Comment by Jack | 2008-06-30 19:07:43

Worse, BO is a coward. He was present, but did not vote either way.

He had practice with that in the Illinois senate.

Comment by Factcheck2 | 2008-06-30 19:42:23

It’s not just MoveOn. Look at Bill Moyers’ program on PBS. For all the time he’s spent whining about the Iraq War, he hasn’t done one segment on Obama’s connections to the former Iraqi minister of electricity who absconded hundreds of millions of dollars and was then busted out of jail by Blackwater. In fact, Rezko’s two closest associates are Iraqi exiles who have profited off of Bush Admin. policies in that country, and even Rezko had a contract to build a $150 million power plant in Iraqi Kurdistan at one point. (Click on my screen name for more on this.)

I just put a comment on Moyers blog. Hope other NoQuarter readers will do likewise. He recently interviewed Sen. Boxer on climate change and I noted there that Boxer has remained painfully silent while Sen. Clinton has been driven out of the race. She sits on the Senate Commerce Committee, which we’re asking to investigate FCC and anti-trust violations by media conglomerates. For more on that campaign, here’s a link.

http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/MediaPushbackCampaign.html

Obama’s Iraqi/Rezko connection, see

Comment by standard | 2008-06-30 22:11:31

How much did Soros pay the NYT to throw HRC under the bus?
Within a week of their Clinton endorsement, they started announcing her demise weekly, whether she won or lost.

 
 
 

Comment by Caya | 2008-06-30 19:30:57

This is from LaRouche PAC
the article is a good read but the picture is even better!

http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/06/03/soros-bankrolling-moveon-last-gasp-move-steal-nomination-oba.html

By Autumn 2003 at the latest, MoveOn had been gobbled up by George Soros, and his inner sanctum of billionaires, like Cleveland insurance magnate Peter Lewis, and Phoenix University founder and CEO John Sperling, both of whom had colluded with Soros throughout the 1990s to promote drug legalization, via the Drug Policy Foundation. At the initial meeting in Autumn 2003, between Soros and the co-founders of MoveOn, San Francisco IT execs Joan Blades and Wes Boyd, Soros, his son Jonathan Soros, Peter Lewis, and Peter Bing kicked in over $6 million. By various news accounts, based on FEC and IRS filings, by 2006, MoveOn had received more than $30 million from Soros and Lewis.

Comment by flyarm | 2008-06-30 21:43:09

PERHAPS WE ARE SEEING THE REAL OCTOPUS???????

http://www.constitution.org/col/octocaso.htm

do read the book if you haven’t already..

fly

 
 

Comment by dnesser | 2008-06-30 20:32:30

George Soros owns Obama. George Soros is the main sponsor of Move On.Org, Daily Kos.com, and Blue America. The question should be, what is Soros going to get for his Money. I wish someone would investigate all those small donations that come from MoveOn.org. I wonder if any of the donors are dead……

 

Comment by rorybellows | 2008-06-30 21:53:13

MoveOn is a conspiracy set up by Soros, the DNC, Pelosi, Dean and possibly the Rand Corporation. Won;t somebody please think of the children? It’s up to us I guess.

 
 

Comment by Medusa | 2008-06-30 18:51:19

BO is using MoveOn, just like he’s using everyone else. He’s an opportunist.

And as Tomasky points out, never let your values cost you the election…..

MoveOn should pack up and move out but they won’t. They have sold their soul to the smelly one and Fat Cat donors who are lining their pockets.

 

Comment by BluDawg | 2008-06-30 18:51:57

Obama will toss MoveOn under the crowded bus before it’s all over. Cause he is a LIAR!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLFRNxsW9so

 

Comment by sfhillary | 2008-06-30 18:52:39

Or perhaps it is you who looks foolish as you drift further and further from the shores of Reality, the world where most of us live, in which progressives, liberals and Democrats of all stripes are coming together to work to elect the liberal, progressive Democrat in the race — Barack Obama — and defeat the conservative, reactionary, militaristic, retrograde Republican in the race, John McCain.

Comment by educatedwhitewoman | 2008-06-30 18:59:30

Yes, in a time of unprecedented peril, we are all interested in electing such a a man to lead the nation, an individual who has a history of ducking controversial votes during his short, non-glorious record as a State Senator and MIA(too busy running for POTUS)brief career as a putative U.S. Senator.

Comment by Latte Liberal for McCain | 2008-06-30 19:04:55

Not to mention, he has an illustrious history of drug use.

 
 

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-30 19:00:03

oo wait! Oh right, you said Barack Obama. LOL from the way you were going on there I thought you were talking about Hillary. But since she isn’t running and of course BOBO is, we feel compelled to use the option of divided government to protect ourselves and our nation from the excesses of the fringe left. McCain is an honorable man and the right fringe doesn’t like him any better then you left fringers do. So he’s about the closest thing we are going to get to the political center of the country in this election year.

Comment by sfhillary | 2008-06-30 19:03:29

Obama’s on the fringe left? From reading other threads on NQ, I thought he was a Reagan-worshipping, sold-out corporatist!

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-30 19:10:39

The commies and the fascists both killed free speech, free association, gave everyone the “paypahs” and demanded loyalty to the party and the leader. Same behavior: one fringe right, one fringe left. I can see how that might confuse one such as yourself who is so easily confused. LOL you are a BOBOweenie after all.

Comment by Elle | 2008-07-01 09:25:42

There’s no confusion - Soros helped him use the left to ‘win’ the Democratic nomination (because Clinton held the centre) and now for the GE they are appealing to right (Plan B, should Clinton’s supporters not come round) - hence the flip flops.

This strategy can only work if the msm are in bed with them and if they can control the blogs. We’ve seen the msm bias, the recent ’spamming’ of many anti-obama blogs, and even here - the presence of the likes of you to misinform, distract, sow doubts etc.

That’s why sites like this and people like Larry and Susan are heroes!

Everybody here knows this. You’re just wasting your time.

Comment by Elle | 2008-07-01 09:29:42

Sorry, WildChild, I meant to reply to sfhillary.

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by cofer | 2008-06-30 19:00:54

Did you have a nice visit here?

Comment by sfhillary | 2008-06-30 19:04:55

I always do. NQ is compelling blog theater.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-30 19:11:38

especially since you have come to play the clown.

 

Comment by cofer | 2008-06-30 19:13:10

Can you get a hold of Obama’s Harvard’s grades?
They seem to be a secret.

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-06-30 19:58:51

We have to wait until they show up on the Daily KOS and get photoshopped, these things take time.

Comment by cofer | 2008-06-30 22:33:35

 
 
 

Comment by HARP | 2008-06-30 19:13:14

You!…Off my planet!

 
 
 

Comment by campingoutindenver | 2008-06-30 19:02:56

Stop the liberal, right crap. We are way beyond that. If Soros didn’t have another agenda, he could just start gifting 12,000 annually to the impoverished. (That’s the limit before they have to pay taxes.) Wake up from YOUR delusion. STFU!

Comment by sfhillary | 2008-06-30 19:04:17

Comment by campingoutindenver | 2008-06-30 19:06:22

Was it “STFU” that got you or the tax code?

 
 
 

Comment by street_parade | 2008-06-30 19:10:54

There’s a liberal, progressive Democrat running for President? Who’s that? I see a (by the standards of the modern Republican party) moderate-to-conservative Republican and an all-over-the-map depending on who he’s talking to at the moment opportunist / Democrat. Maybe you mean Nader? Or McKinney?

Comment by Mary Kay | 2008-06-30 20:56:07

Great come-back! ;.))))

 
 

Comment by Northwest rain | 2008-06-30 19:13:11

In your dreams — sweetie from SF — it is you Obamabots who are living in an alternative reality.

You are being used by chauvinist pig Obama. He ONLY cares about Obama. He is a passive aggressive USER.

 

Comment by fran | 2008-06-30 19:14:52

You mean the “liberal, progressive” who does not want to fight for true Universal Health Care and just agreed with the Supreme Court stance on citizen surveillance for the sake of “security.”

Sounds a lot more like “W” to me.

 

Comment by Christine | 2008-06-30 19:30:43

Republicans are the true progressives, conservatives care more about individual rights.

The Boumediene v. Bush decision by the Supreme Court granting habeas corpus rights to non-uniformed enemy combatants captured on the field of battle (superior to any rights they would have under the Geneva Conventions) was written for the majority by a Republican, Anthony Kennedy, appointed by Ronald Reagan.

Kennedy was also the author of the Supreme Court decisions in Romer v. Evans, invalidating a provision in the Colorado Constitution denying homosexuals the right to bring local discrimination claims and in Lawrence v. Texas, which invalidated criminal prohibitions against homosexual sodomy.

In 1992, Kennedy joined Justice Sandra Day O’Connor’s controlling plurality opinion in the case of Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which re-affirmed the Roe v. Wade decision recognizing the right to abortion under the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

Roe v. Wade itself was authored for the majority by another Republican, Harry Blackmun, who was appointed to the Supreme Court by Richard Nixon.

Sandra Day O’Conner, the first female ever on the Supreme Court was appointed by Ronald Reagan.

Brown v. Board of Education, which banned the segregation of public schools, Gideon v. Wainwright, which held that the Sixth Amendment required that indigent non-capital criminal defendants receive publicly-funded counsel, and Miranda v. Arizona, which required that certain rights of a person being interrogated while in police custody be clearly explained, including the right to an attorney were all authored by Earl Warren, another Republican who was appointed to the Supreme Court by Dwight Eisenhower.

It was Eisenhower who sent national guard troops to Little Rock to protect black children going to school. It was the Democrat George Wallace who tried to keep blacks out of the Univ. of Alabama a full decade after the Brown decision.

Comment by Mary Kay | 2008-06-30 20:59:58

Christine,

Thanks for the reminder. It’s so easy to forget history, you know? This is a great post. In fact, I’ll give you credit by copying and pasting it on the Hillary Clinton Forum. A lot of folks over there plan to vote for McCain and would like to have this information.

Comment by Lou | 2008-06-30 21:38:53

Can you ask Hillary who is the best person to hire for the job of commander-in-chief now? Obama or McCain.
Let us know Okay? And that’s who we’ll vote for..teh heh

 
 

Comment by flyarm | 2008-06-30 21:55:23

Thank you Christine..it is good to educate the trolls and the young Obamabrats…I have some nasty words I could use on these ignuts when they bring up Roe V Wade…as if they were the ones who fought for those rights…and protested for those rights and hahaha..marched for those rights…hell they couldn’t even protest in numbers against this war….but Instead I slap them down with one word.. PUMA!!

THANKS ..fly

 
 

Comment by DoroB | 2008-06-30 19:42:07

Yes, Americans would be wise to elect Obama, the best friend slum lords could have, so that he could leave Americans out in the cold, just like he did with his constituents.

Your “Reality” is warped. I suggest you do something about it. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid is a good first step.

 
 

Comment by gotalife | 2008-06-30 18:54:49

No spine.

Tossed General Clark under the bus today.

Comment by AF catfish | 2008-06-30 20:00:51

the kos kids and Matt Stoller even Arianna Huffington are pissed at Obama now. Kos and Stoller really pissed about Obama throwing Clark overboard.

Comment by It's Not Me | 2008-06-30 20:48:57

Pissed enough to stop shilling for him? I somehow doubt it. What will it take for them to see this guy as the fraud he is? There’s more than enough proof already out here! Sheesh.

 
 

Comment by stodghie | 2008-06-30 21:11:26

well general clark was asked to sacrifice for his party and he did. wes, we hardly knew you. i supported you in 04 but you didn’t support me in 08 now that hillary is gone. i hope clark has the good sense to stay away from these thugs now.

Comment by Anee | 2008-06-30 21:35:31

Clark is smarter than we think, he just got himself out of months of mindless campaigning for the annointed one.

Comment by Lou | 2008-06-30 21:40:41

Yeah way to go Wes

 
 
 
 

Comment by BluDawg | 2008-06-30 18:55:30

Obama the Snake speaks with a forked tounge!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yixPgq1Mh2A&NR=1

People are catching on.

 

Comment by let them eat change | 2008-06-30 18:56:59

Moveon has bet on 2 bad donkeys, Dean and Obama. Their record pretty much stands for itself. They have to fight hard for OB. If he isn’t POTUS, they won’t be around in 2012.

 

Comment by BluDawg | 2008-06-30 18:58:10

If you really listen to Obama, you would realize he flip-flops, and would say ANYTHING to get elected.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh4HI1KeBHw

His whole campaign is illusion!

Wake up America!

 

Comment by BluDawg | 2008-06-30 19:02:51

Obama has no shame. His lies are boundless.
This Stranger hides the dogma he practiced for 20 years. After stating he Downloaded every TUCC podcast, he publiclly denied ever hearing Rev. Wright.

Which is it Mr. Obama?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrM_oETnxrg

 

Comment by Ted | 2008-06-30 19:04:50

Fo those who didn’t click the links, this is from the HuffPo article cited above:

“The focus of the United States Senate should be on ending this war, not on criticizing newspaper advertisements,” the senator said in a statement e-mailed to the Huffington Post. “This amendment was a stunt designed only to score cheap political points while what we should be doing is focusing on the deadly serious challenge we face in Iraq. … By not casting a vote, I registered my protest against this empty politics.”

That is pretty clear to me, but I don’t expect that opinion to be shared by many others here.

Comment by BluDawg | 2008-06-30 19:07:49

By not holding a single senate subcommittee meeting on Afganistan what was he showing?

Comment by campingoutindenver | 2008-06-30 19:11:54

“Not casting the vote” is the point!

 

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-30 19:13:26

The jello like tenacity of his BOBOish magnificence.

 

Comment by Ted | 2008-06-30 19:32:57

My reply seems to have been lost, I’ll redo briefly.

Obama is chair of Subcommittee on European Affairs. Afghanistan is in Asia. Good try though.

Comment by HARP | 2008-06-30 19:35:43

Fool.. NATO is in Afghanistan, helping us out. Guess you missed that little point at the meeting.

Comment by Ted | 2008-06-30 19:46:16

I guess you missed Joe Biden on MTP last week whn he debunked thst one too. He said he, the committee chair, is responsible for that. But, what does he know, right?

Comment by HARP | 2008-06-30 19:48:52

In January 2004, NATO appointed Minister Hikmet Cetin, of Turkey, to the post of Senior Civilian Representative (SCR) in Afghanistan. Minister Cetin is responsible for advancing the political-military aspects of the Alliance’s engagement in Afghanistan and receives his guidance from the NAC. The work carried out by the SCR is crucial to the success of NATO’s mission of assisting the Afghan Transitional Government in fulfilling the Bonn Agreement commitments. He works in close co-ordination with the Commander of ISAF (COMISAF) and the UNAMA as well as with the Afghan authorities and other bodies of the International Community present in the country.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-30 19:53:15

His name is Ted. And someday… he’ll be dead yo yo. He wants to be a cowboy…

 

Comment by socalannie | 2008-07-01 01:31:30

Whooohoo! Way to go HARP!

By the way, Ted, who but a dyed in the wool obot would think ducking out on a controversial vote makes a politician look bold and decisive? Obama is a double-dealing candy-ass, who speaks out of both sides of his mouth.

Hillary was the one who took a stand.

 
 
 
 

Comment by memyself&i | 2008-06-30 19:38:53

Wrong. Oversight for NATO falls within the responsibilities of the Subcommittee on European Affairs. NATO has an important military role in Afghanistan.

“Senate Foreign Relations Committee (section on Subcommittee on European Affairs): The subcommittee deals with all matters concerning U.S. relations with the countries on the continent of Europe… and with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), the European Union and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe….”

Comment by HARP | 2008-06-30 19:51:41

The Subcommittee on European Affairs is responsible for United States relations with the countries on the continent of Europe, except the states of Central Asia that are within the jurisdiction of the Subcommittee on Near Eastern and South and Central Asian Affairs. It also oversees U.S. involvement with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, relations with the European Union, and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. Matters relating to Greenland and the northern polar region are also the responsibility of this subcommittee.

This subcommittee is also responsible for all matters within the region under its jurisdiction with respect to terrorism and non-proliferation, crime and illicit narcotics, U.S. foreign assistance programs, and the promotion of U.S. trade and exports.

 

Comment by Ted | 2008-06-30 19:55:00

“SEN. BIDEN: That’s all old thinking, why we’re in trouble. First of all, the reason Obama didn’t hold a hearing on NATO, I chair the committee. Every one of those committee hearings are held at full committee, number one.”

I’ll post link in a second. Last time it ate my comment with a link…

Comment by Ted | 2008-06-30 19:59:41

It ate the link again. Go to 4th page of interview transcript on MSNBC site, June 22 MTP interview with Joe Biden and Lindsey Graham.

 

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-30 20:00:52

Ah, so Joe is taking the heat for your beloved BOBO’s wimpish inability to hold sub committee meetings. Chivalry is not dead.

Comment by It's Not Me | 2008-06-30 20:55:13

Trying his best to get that VP slot, I see. First Sinclair, now this. Joe’s a busy guy!

 
 
 
 

Comment by ritamary | 2008-06-30 19:46:10

Obama’s subcommittee on European Affairs includes our alliance with Europe called NATO. Ever hear of NATO? Or don’t they teach about that in high school any more? NATO troops are fighting in Afghanistan.

Why do we have to be teaching history to you? You are supposed to be so much more educated than we are.

Comment by Ted | 2008-06-30 20:00:55

see above comment by Joe Biden, Chair of the Committee.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-30 20:02:02

What’s the point of having a sub committee if it can’t hold meetings Ted?

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-06-30 20:10:35

Also, when Obama was asked about this, why no meetings of this committee, he said it was because he was so busy on the campaign trail. Why would he say that if what Biden is now supposedly saying was true?

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-06-30 20:15:05

Here is a quote from an Obama official back in March of this year on the subject:

When pushed more, Craig relented: “The record is what it is. He didn’t become chairman of that subcommittee until January of 2007. The fact is that he made his announcement for president of the U.S. in February of 2007. So, he had other things on his mind.

Comment by Ted | 2008-06-30 20:42:31

OK, so it was not Obama, but someone else who said it. Maybe, just maybe, Craig was not up on the protocol for NATO meetings in the Senate. Or maybe Joe Biden is lying about an easily verified fact. Could be either.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-30 20:57:05

The point of course is that BOBO was entrusted with the chairmanship of a Senate subcommittee and never held a meeting. It’s a travesty that BOBO didn’t do his job and now everyone is having to cover for him. BOBO could have easily stepped down from the chairman seat after announcing his P-candidacy… but for his gargantuan ego.

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Comment by stodghie | 2008-06-30 21:16:18

someone needs to break it to barfy that visiting foreign capitals is more than photos, speaking from a teleprompters and letting michelle preen. it is called foreign diplomacy and you have to show up for the meeting, barfy.

 
 

Comment by It's Not Me | 2008-06-30 21:08:27

Here is how Obama responded last night: “I became chairman of this committee at the beginning of this campaign, at the beginning of 2007. So, it is true that we haven’t had oversight hearings on Afghanistan. I have been very clear in talking to the American people about what I would do with respect to Afghanistan. I think we have to have more troops there to bolster the NATO effort.”

http://tinyurl.com/yocyhg

This is from the debate. Hillary confronted him and he had to admit he was too busy running for President to hold hearings.

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Comment by freemansfarm | 2008-06-30 21:20:32

“OK, so it was not Obama, but someone else who said it. Maybe, just maybe, Craig was not up on the protocol for NATO meetings in the Senate.”

Ted.

Nice try Teddy. From the MSNBC debate transcrpts:

CLINTON: And I believe this is in the best interest. But I also have heard Senator Obama refer continually to Afghanistan, and he references being on the Foreign Relations Committee.

He chairs the subcommittee on Europe. It has jurisdiction over NATO. NATO is critical to our mission in Afghanistan. He’s held not one substantive hearing to do oversight, to figure out what we can do to actually have a stronger presence with NATO in Afghanistan.

You have to look at the entire situation to try to figure out how we can stabilize Afghanistan and begin to put more in there to try to get some kind of success out of it. And you have to…

RUSSERT: All right. Let me…

CLINTON: … work with the Iraqi government so that they take responsibility for their own future.

RUSSERT: Senator Obama, I want you to respond to not holding oversight for your subcommittee. But also, do you reserve a right as American president to go back into Iraq once you have withdrawn with sizable troops in order to quell any kind of insurrection or civil war?

OBAMA: Well, first of all, I became chairman of this committee at the beginning of this campaign, at the beginning of 2007. So, it is true that we haven’t had oversight hearings on Afghanistan.

The ellisions are in the orignal. Obama went on (in his typical blabber-mouth, run-on way), but at no time did he mention the late-in-the-day, Biden-concocted, jurisdictional excuse for not holding hearings.

Obama was asked point-blanc by Clinton why he didn’t hold hearings on Afghanistan in the sub-committee he chaired and HIS, Obama’s (not someone else’s) answer was that he was too busy running for president.

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Comment by flyarm | 2008-06-30 22:17:30

ted you are blowing freaking smoke ..but not up anyone’s ass here…dear little one..google is your friend..there are many more articles about this..do us all a favor..don’t come here with your bullshit..

Biden is full of horse hockey..here is comments from McCain about Barkey not holding hearings..expect to see a lot more of this!!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0508/McCain_hits_Obama_for_not_holding_hearings.html
May 28, 2008
Categories: McCain
McCain hits Obama for not holding hearings

McCain, holding a town hall meeting in that big little city, Reno, Nev., opens his remarks today with what will surely be a recurring talk point against Obama but one that I’ve not heard the candidate himself use much:

Senator Obama is the chairman of an important subcommittee that has the oversight of what’s going on in Afghanistan. He has not held one single hearing on Afghanistan where young Americans are in harm’s way as we speak. My friends, this is about leadership.

Actually, Obama’s Foreign Relations subcommittee on European Affairs does not have jurisdiction over Afghanistan (that would be the Subcommittee on Near Eastern and South and Central Asian Affairs). But Obama still could have held hearings as it related to, say, the role of NATO in Afghanistan.

Whether the attack it’s fine-tuned or not, that Obama did not hold a single hearing from his subcommittee perch is sure to be used by the GOP as a he’s-all-talk talking point.

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Comment by Ted | 2008-06-30 20:21:55

The question was why did he not have a meeting on Afghanistan. I cleared that up by pointing out the geography involved. Then NATO was brought up, and I quoted the Committee chair, who said he chairs the NATO meetings in full committee. Now it’s “Joe Biden is lying”. Maybe he is. I’m just reporting the facts as I know them.

Perhaps someone can dig up the history of Senate committee meetings on NATO and see if Biden is lying. That’s beyond my ability.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-30 20:58:39

You’re making excuses for your beloved BOBO because he’s your beloved BOBO.

Comment by Ted | 2008-06-30 21:57:06

Some people make substantive comments here. You, on the other hand, are like a little kid on a playground. Have you no pride in yourself?

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-30 21:59:18

Ha Ha Ha Ha I figured you’d dodge the issue.

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Comment by It's Not Me | 2008-06-30 21:10:11

He didn’t hold hearings because he was too busy running for President. That’s what HE said. See my response above in HIS own words.

Comment by Ted | 2008-06-30 22:00:50

Yes, can’t comment above, nested too deep. Above I was replying to the comment that quoted Craig. Given what was said in the debate, it does look bad for Obama on this.

It would be interesting to see how many hearings were held by the subcommittee in the past on NATO, but I concede this point to you. Good job working with the facts.

 

Comment by Ted | 2008-06-30 22:42:24

Just so Biden doesn’t get tainted in this whole mess, I did search and there were two FRC meetings this year concerning NATO. That doesn’t let Obama of the hook for not holding any meetings (which would have been a better way to word the original complaint), but Biden was not lying when e said the NATO meetings were in front of the full committee. (March 11 and 17 were dates I think. For some reason I can’t post links these days.)

 
 

Comment by freemansfarm | 2008-06-30 21:30:30

(1) Barky held no hearings whatsoever, about Afganistan, NATO or anything else. Surely his sub-committe has jurisdiction over something.

(2)”Now it’s “Joe Biden is lying”. Maybe he is. I’m just reporting the facts as I know them. Perhaps someone can dig up the history of Senate committee meetings on NATO and see if Biden is lying. That’s beyond my ability.”

Completely false and burden-shifting. YOU presented Biden’s remarks. YOU are relying on them to excuse Barky from not holding hearings about Afghanistan. It is therefor incumbent on YOU to prove that they are accurate, not on anyone else to prove that they are inaccurate.

In addition, Biden has signed on to Barky’s campaign. Barky has made noise about appointing Biden to a high Cabinet position. Morever, Biden is a Democratic Senator who, in the normal course of things, would be expected to “go to bat” for the party’s presidential nominee. He is a hardly an impartial observer.

And, in any event, you are not merely “reporting the facts.” You are a not a reporter. You don’t have even a facade of neutrality. You are presenting the Obama-campaing spin on this, and on every other, issue. Your disingenuity with regard to this statement is astounding!

 

Comment by flyarm | 2008-06-30 22:23:22

Ted Ted Ted..please..the bullshit pouring out of you is really beneath anyone here …stop please..you are a disgrace…

Clinton camps highlights Obama’s chairmanship

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Sen. Hillary Clinton’s campaign Wednesday pounced on Sen. Barack Obama’s acknowledgment that he has yet to hold a substantive hearing since becoming chairman of a Senate subcommittee on Europe.

The admission during Tuesday night’s Democratic debate offered a “glimpse of the real Barack Obama,” and was emblematic of the Illinois senator’s light record of results, the Clinton camp said in an e-mail.

Obama “did not hold a single oversight hearing because he was too busy running for president; the Barack Obama who spends his time talking about change you can believe in instead of change you actually can count on,” the e-mail stated.

Clinton herself raised the issue at the debate in Cleveland.

‘”He chairs the subcommittee on Europe. It has jurisdiction over NATO. NATO is critical to our mission in Afghanistan,” she said. “He’s held not one substantive hearing to do oversight, to figure out what we can do to actually have a stronger presence with NATO in Afghanistan.”

In response, Obama noted he has only served as the committee’s chairman since January of 2007, just when his presidential campaign was beginning — a fact the Clinton campaign’s memo also highlighted.

“But by his own admission, he was too busy running for president to conduct a single substantive hearing of the committee he chairs,” the memo stated. “So he would rather talk about what he would do rather than do it through the responsibility he had.”

For the record, Obama has held two hearings on ambassadorial nominations, but no oversight hearings.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/27/clinton... /

please Ted stop..just stop the bullcrap…take your smoke and go blow it up asses that don’t know better!!

fly

 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by stodghie | 2008-06-30 21:13:07

voting present? naw, how about push the wrong button? you think? ok, third and final! everyone is racist who criticizes me. now that’s the ticket.

 
 

Comment by Latte Liberal for McCain | 2008-06-30 19:12:18

Ok, here’s something wildly funny that I heard today. John Kerry’s Democratic opponent here in MA, Ed O’Reilly, got 23% of delegate votes at MA convention. And, would have had more, except, some delegates voted - PRESENT! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Down with Obama and his legislative supporters are going down the toilet with him.

If the empty suit can’t take a stand as a Senator, he’s unqualified to be POTUS.

And back to Kerry, 51% in MA think it’s time for a change! Kerry is being attacked for his vote authorizing the Iraq War. Payback is a b&^%$!! LOL!! When Kerry endorsed Obambi, I promised him I would help unseat him, and it is my great pleasure to do just that!!

Hillary or McCain ‘08!

 

Comment by let them eat change | 2008-06-30 19:15:19

Ted, did you figure out how to create that link to the OB site “community blog” or did you just move on to something else?

Comment by Ted | 2008-06-30 19:27:50

Yeah, I figuree it out. Guess what. They ain’t there. Thanks for asking, and for staying on topic.

Comment by HARP | 2008-06-30 19:37:52

The great seal.

http://www.greatseal.com/symbols/index.html

The seal on OBAMA`S site. ( click to enlarge )

http://www.barackobama.com/images/bg.jpg

Why is the eagle flying away as if in retreat?

Why does the eagle drop the olive branch?

Comment by WildChild | 2008-06-30 19:56:52

BOBO is sayin that you can kiss his ass before he’s going to eat any of dem olives.