Yet Another Connection…
By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on July 1, 2008 at 2:45 PM in Barack Obama, Bush faith-based programs, Civil Rights, Congressional Black Caucus, Delegates, Democratic National Convention, Donna Brazile, Donnie McClurkin, Equal Pay, GLBT, Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, JustSayNoDeal.Com, Michelle Obama, PUMA, Religion, Rev. James Meeks, Sexism, pandering
Between Bush and Obama. This one is pretty shocking, I think. Well, it might be to Obamabots. Those of us still in the rational world aren’t really surprised by ANYTHING this guy will say or do, but still - this one is big. And, coincidentally, it also goes along with two other posts I had recently regarding Obama pursuing Evangelical Christians and his little spat with James Dobson.
Okay, Okay, I’ll get to the point: Obama wants to continue the Faith Based Initiatives Program, and EXPAND the amount of federal dollars GOING to the organizations involves in it. But wait - it gets better! He wants to allow them to HIRE and FIRE on the basis of RELIGION!!!
You read that right — this self-titled Constitutional scholar wants to allow YOUR tax paying dollars to go to faith-based initiatives, allowing them to decide if the person is religious enough, their KIND of religious, and to dismiss them should they decide the employee’s belief system does not match closely enough to the organization. Hold on, there is even more! According to the AP Article, “Obama TO Expand Bush’s Faith-based Programs“:
Obama proposes to elevate the program to a “moral center” of his administration, by renaming it the Office of Community and Faith-Based Partnerships, and changing training from occasional huge conferences to empowering larger religious charities to mentor smaller ones in their communities.
Pay attention to that name change, so that you KNOW he is talking about faith-based programming using federal dollars in the future.
In a further pander to Evangelical Christians, Obama said,
“In time, I came to see faith as being both a personal commitment to Christ and a commitment to my community; that while I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn’t be fulfilling God’s will unless I went out and did the Lord’s work,” he was to say.
Huh. I wonder if he thinks the “Lord’s Work” includes character assassinations, and vote stealing??? Those two look mighty close to breaking a couple of Big Ones to me, but, hey, what do I know? But I digress…
You are going to LOVE this next quote! In it, he throws together a bunch of issues facing us, ending with a quintessential Naval metaphor (get it?):
“The challenges we face today, from putting people back to work to improving our schools, from saving our planet to combating HIV/AIDS to ending genocide, are simply too big for government to solve alone,” Obama was to say, according to a prepared text of his remarks obtained by The Associated Press. “We need all hands on deck.”
Why, yes we do. To make sure you never become president!
Ironically, it was just the other day that Obama sent out Mrs. Obama to shore up his support among - Wait for it - GAY groups!! No, I am not kidding, and I am not making this us. (For those of you who might be unaware, Evangelical Christians, certainly those affiliated with organizations like James Dobson’s “Focus on the Family,” are not too keen on gay people. They kinda think of us as big ol’ sinners, to cut to the chase!) According to the article,
Barack Obama will fight for equal rights for gays just as he fought to help working-class families overcome poverty, the Democratic presidential hopeful’s wife told a gay Democratic group Thursday.
Recalling his past work as a community organizer to help struggling families, Michelle Obama said he would take the same approach as president.
HAHAHAHAHA!! Obama is going to help the LGBT Community the same way he has helped those folks during his Community Organizing days? Those people without heat and all of that in the Southside of Chicago? That’s how well he is going to do for US? Oh, WHEEEEE!!!!
Believe it or not, there is still more.
Touting her husband’s record pushing for workplace discrimination legislation as an Illinois state senator and his support of civil unions, Obama noted her husband also had brought a call for equality to conservative groups, telling churchgoers they need to combat homophobia in the black community.
His workplace discrimination legislation? As in what, PUSHING for workplace discrimination?? As Uppity Woman pointed out in her excellent piece, “Sexist Obama Pays His Female Staff Less Than The Males” in No Quarter, Obama is not exactly a prince in the Sexual Equality department, certainly in the realm of equal pay for equal work. It is more like the Sexual INequality department. Just freakin’ spare me.
Okay, sure - he can tell conservative churches that they need to stop attacking LGBT people, and do more about HIV/AIDS, but when one of his BFFs is Senator Rev. James Meeks, a blatantly ANTI-GAY activist, and when he campaigns with Donnie McClurkin, a noted ANTI-GAY activist, it is just a little hard to take this seriously. He can SAY whatever he wants to say, but his ACTIONS clearly indicate otherwise. There is a world of difference between Senator Clinton’s relationship with the LGBT community and Obama’s - Clinton actually HAS a relationship with the LGBT community!! Just sayin’.
Oh - and no doubt, what Michelle Obama also said during this speech is just gonna PISS Donna Brazile off:
Michelle Obama also drew a connection between the struggles for gay rights and civil rights.“We are all only here because of those who marched and bled and died, from Selma to Stonewall, in the pursuit of a more perfect union,” she said at the event, held days before the anniversary of the 1969 Stonewall riots between gays and New York police, and the city’s annual gay pride parade.
“The world as it is should be one that rejects discrimination of all kinds,” she said.
Whooey, is that ever gonna make Donna MAD!!!! Remember, Howard Dean got into some hot water (as in, faced a law suit) because of his firing of a gay man. In an article in the Washington Blade, regarding choosing Civil Rights delegates for the National Convention in August, and including gay people in the Civil Rights contingent to that convention,
Dean said some “influential individuals” within the DNC Black Caucus, such as Donna Brazile, opposed the plan because it was seen as “an affront to the civil rights movement.”
All righty. I bet Ms. Brazile might just have a little chat with Michelle on this. How dare she go against Donna’s party line?!?!
Apparently, though, the 200 - 300 people there drank the Cult Aide - they raised over $1 million for him. I am going to make an unsubstantiated guess and say they MUST have been Log Cabin Republicans!! How else to explain it?! I certainly can’t any other way. This man has done ZERO for our community - ZERO, actually, he has done NEGATIVES for our community, and while John McCain probably isn’t going to be winning any GLAAD or HRC awards any time soon, neither is Obama. Oh, wait - someone DID win the HRC award, and coincidentally, her initials are HRC!!! But why bother with trivialities?!?!
Anywho, it sure will be interesting to watch the hoops Obama will jump through as he tells every single group, no matter how much their varying beliefs/realities may be diametrically opposed, that he supports THEM, and will do everything possible for THEIR agendas. I guess this just highlights - again - the importance of the PUMA and Just Say No Deal coalitions, to point out Obama’s bald-faced lies, flip flops, pandering, and frightening policies. Speak out, speak loud, and expose this charlatan for who he is! Power to the PUMA!
And for your viewing and listening pleasure, if our politicians want to know what the people want, check out this video by Martina McBride:
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=rGMNPjlTa7s[/youtube]
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See my earlier stories on the similarities between Bush and Obama:
Another Bush/Obama Similarity…, June 22, 2008
“Slack Like Me”, June 17, 2008
So what’s the list up to now in “scary parallels between Bush and Obama?”:
1. Daddy issues
2. “The Uniter”
3. Faith based initiatives
4. Cocaine use
5. Having positions of power handed to him
6. Support for the Cheney Energy Bill
Anything else? What are we missing?
And he wants to use the internet to monitor it all.
Josgirl — I can’t wait to see how the liberal drones react to this. He has screwed over moveon.org and anyone who stood with him. He won’t be happy till he is a Dictator. Now he is using Christians.
>Anything else? What are we missing?
Reason. Let’s see.
>1. Daddy issues
Yeah, who doesn’t have Daddy issues? Lord knows the Big Dawg sure did.
2. “The Uniter”
McCain sells himself as an independent thinker who reaches across the aisle. Again, every national politician tries to make this case.
3. Faith based initiatives
Granted. And as a good progressive I’m a bit queasy about this. But I gotta say, voting for McCain because you don’t want evangelicals winning a broader role in U.S. public life strikes me as a deeply questionable political strategy.
4. Cocaine use
Whatever.
5. Having positions of power handed to him
Horseshit. Obama came up from nothing. Do you have any idea what an accomplishment it was to be elected editor of the Harvard Law Review? Any clue?
6. Support for the Cheney Energy Bill
Um, come again?
Anyway, now let’s look at the list of similarities between McCain and Bush:
1. Supports endless Iraq War.
2. Believes the U.S. President has the legal right to violate the Geneva Convention, suspect habeus for enemy combatants, authorize torture, spy on American citizens, et al
3. Pro-life.
4. Supports making immense Bush tax cuts for wealthiest Americans permanent, thereby casting federal into longterm terminal crisis.
5. Promises to break 5-4 deadlock on Supreme Court in favor of (for all intents and purposes) fascism by replacing most liberal Justices with more strict constructionists in Thomas/Alito mode.
Now, I look at these two lists and I know which politician looks more to me like a repeat of Bush. Your Obama list is crammed with trivial character assassination crap. My McCain list is solely composed of enormously important, world-changing issues.
Progressive visitors, please use your brains in November.
Oh yeah…
Both have idiot supporters who believe their chosen dear leader is perfect and infallible.
I see, I’m an idiot? Well, I’ve learned over the past couple weeks that two thirds of the time that an Obama supporter posts on NQ, he or she will not get any response to his substantive points, he’ll just have some PUMA dittohead (like you) give a sneering insult, as though calling someone an idiot actually makes him an idiot, or claiming that I consider someone perfect actually means I consider him imperfect.
In fact, as anyone here who reads my posts knows, Obama has done a number of things recently that I think are dead wrong and am pissed about. It’s just that, you know, I’m a Democrat who believes in the Constitution and wants to save America from the Bush-era Republican Party, so voting for Obama is an easy decision.
No, you are a lemming who will vote for a ham sandwich if it as a big “D” next to it. Hussein Obama as president would be a huge disaster for America.
Hussein Obama, huh? Not Barack Obama? And how would he be a disaster, exactly? I keep asking this question and nobody is able to answer it. What would he do that would be disastrous?
Again: GOP haters said precisely the same things about Bill Clinton. He was going to be a catastrophe for America, was going to destroy the country, was a Commie who’d let Marxists take over.
So tell me: what exactly is Obama going to do that would harm the country in a material way?
bill did not as a teenagerhave as a mentor a member of the comunist party of the usa,bill did not associate with people that planted bombs.bill did not in his state senate district turn his back on tennants that went wthout heat in a chicsgo winter so as not to offend a mentor fundraiser.mcain on the other hand when confronted with a deadly fire on the deck of the forestall risked his own life to rescue a fellow shipmate.obama has no character or judgement while mcain who i dont always agree with has more spine than most.
Obama is in no way like Bill Clinton. He is, as the author of this post points out, exactly like George W. Bush. Surely even you would not dispute that Bush has been a disaster of unimagined proportions in office. There is no way we will vote to put Obama in office knowing that it will just be four more years of incompetence, made even worse by Obama’s malevolent views of women and the elderly.
He is one of the most corrupt politicians we have seen in years. His dirty politics in Chicago should give you a good clue. AND Voting “present” on important issues while in the senate for a whole 145 days, winning the senate as the only person on the ballot (he pushed everyone else off), not submitting his birth certificate, then submitting a fake one on his web site, and the list goes on and on. Get it?
1. Bill Clinton was raised by a single mother, but there was no evidence he had “daddy issues.” He certainly never wrote a book about it.
2. John McCain actually has a record of bipartisan legislature and “reaching across the aisle.” Many people in his own party (”conservatives”) hate him for this. McCain has never promoted himself as a “uniter,” though. He does not fear-monger about people wanting to “boil and stew the hope out of him” and play divisive politics.
3. No one said they were voting for McCain to shut evangelicals out from politics.
4. “Whatever.” Obama admitted to it in his biography, and we know Bush snorted coke.
5. Obama was raised by a well-educated white mother and affluent grandparents who sent him to an exclusive private school in Hawaii. He worked to get ahead in life, but he also accepted favors from corrupt Rezko and Ayers and Emil Jones, etc. Then the DNC fixed the Democratic nomination for him. He never won on his own merit. It was handed to him.
6. The 2005 Energy Bill written by Cheney and lobbyists gave away 27 billion in perks for the oil industry while it raked in its record profits. McCain and Clinton voted against it. Obama voted for it.
As for your retorts…
1. Obama supports endless war in Iraq. He has supported the Bush strategies more than McCain has and has voted in 20 different ways to support Bush and the Iraq war.
2.Obama voted for FISA, emergency funding to war profiteers, distanced himself from Dick Durbin’s (D-IL) forthright criticism of U.S. torture practices at Guantanamo, he was part of a unanimous consent agreement not to filibuster the nomination of lawless torturer Alberto Gonzales as US Atty Gen…
3. I’m not sure Obama should be proud of voting four times to allow infants to die suffocating in soiled linen closets after “live birth abortions” AKA infanticide.
4. Obama is in bed with the mortgage industry responsible for the housing market crisis and the credit industry that have had a worse impact on our economy than the Bush tax cuts.
5. Obama would appoint SCOTUS justices who would make Ruth Bader Ginsburg look like a Bircher. No thanks.
But we wee talking about character. Obama looks more like Bush than McCain does in this area; that’s what Americans consider when voting for President.
BRAV-FU**ING-O!
Oh Great. Under Obama Americans will all become Quran totin goat herders.
sfhillary; Since I wish to stay on topic, I frame my comment to this way.
If you just read Reverand Amy’s well written and DISTURBING article are you NOT concerned abot BO?
Lets look at how he has acted while a member of TUCC ro 20 years.
Gay people are SHUNNED. Three people associatted with TUCC have been murdered. And they could do is offer a 1000 dollar reward for info on the choir director’s murderer.
BO profitted from the misery of poor people in his Senate district from the moment he was elected.
He has channeled large sums of money to any number of questionable people, orginaizations and religous groups. As Rev Amy points out, this hypocracy of BO’s to continue a BUSH policy is like a bug hitting the winshield in the dark of night on a Kansas interstate! Hypocracy is a warm gun to BO!
You state;
Obama has done a number of things recently that I think are dead wrong and am pissed about.
What are you going to do about it?
Believe me when I say, I completly understand where you are coming from. You DON’T want a republican president. I get it! Lord knows I did not want one either. I was for Biden when this circus came to town. He’s gone, so Hillary like everyone else on the stage couldn’t say “I agree with Joe”.
The more I listened to Hillary the more I was impressed with her. The woman flat out knows her shit and has more guts and communication skills than the majority of people in political life.
She got screwed. WE GOT SCREWED. And includes the people who voted for BO as well. Nothing like a candidate with out the complete support of his own party eh? So I am NOT going to support the people who did this. My parents raised me to not accept BULSHIT, or vote for it either.
SO, I ask you this question as Mr. Lemos wrote, it is what it is, WHAT ARE YOU going to do?
I don’t agree with much of McCains positions BUT, the moral compass of Senator McCain, inspite of his “temper” is by far better than the immoral BO.
Truth be told these two parties are the same criminal enterprise it just depends what door of the lobby you entered.
What are you going to do?
I CANNOT vote for the immoral and indifferent BO? How can you Vote for a guy that promised Dodd and Fiengold his support on FISA and Screwed them? His word is NOT his bond.
The Bush Era as you call it is here to stay in one form or another. It is not even a question of BO being able to correct the damage done to the US Constitution. He simply NOT by ANY metric you go by, qualified to be POTUS.
You say it is an easy decision? Perhaps you step back from that statement long enough to see BO is “just smart enough to be dangerous” and just indifferent enough to get people killed. Respectfully, I hope you sleep well.
I have lost sleep over all the damage BO has caused.
You want substance rather than name calling? Well fasten your seatbelt. To begin with, Obama wouldn’t have to pander to a group like Evangelicals if he, and you, hadn’t made so many insulting remarks to other Democrats they have left the Party and vow to vote for the opposition.
There should be no need to point out the differences in the deeply held beliefs of Evangelicals which contradict the basic platform of the Democratic Party. ie. Choice, War, Guns, Environment, equal treatment of gays, Corporate interest before the interest of others among them.
Having positions of power handed to him? What’s your problem with that argument? The DNC is handing him the greatest power on earth, that of President of the United States of America and if you think he earned it, you can have the senator from my state with the same qualifications or even more because he actually had to take a stand on issues as voting “present” isn’t allowed in this state.
His famous anti-war speech? Show it to me. Even if you had proof such a thing existed, it would not qualify him to be president. Where is the tipping point for you? Not FISA. Not Public Financing. Not neglect of his senate duties. Not his various lies (and I can list those if you want). His hate for the Clintons/ love for the Clintons. Looking for votes among felons. Looking for votes among Republican states. New Map/ New Coalition. Disenfranchise voters where you can, steal votes where you can. Pulling troops out of Iraq, not pulling troops out of Iraq.
I have one further thought for you. Any unknown freshman senator with unanswered questions about an association with Rezko and Auchi should have been vetted very carefully before reaching this point in the nominating procedure. And the idea you can trust a candidate because he is a Democrat is a foolish mistake on your part. It took me almost forty years to discover that truth. Maybe the Republicans will be able to show you what he is really like, but you will, no doubt, dismiss any evidence.
BTW, Bill Clinton has a wonderful and loving relationship with his stepfather and publicly grieved his passing.
Yet another awesome post.
I love NOQUARTER. Great bloggers, great repliers.
You guys are just awesome in your responses. Smart people here at NoQuarter and I give you standing ovations for your knowledge! Keep up the good work and continue making those trolls look like the foolish children they are.
That’s because you never make any substantive points. You just regurgitate the talking points of the day as compiled for our reading enjoyment by the Head Obamabutt back at headquarters. Then when that fails to impress anyone, you just resort to insults.
But I’m always glad to see you posting, because McCain appreciates your efforts to drive voters into his camp.
Dear sfhillary:
Surely, you are sufficiently tolerant to listen to yet another Puma ‘dittohead’!).
Sen. Obama has lost the faith and support of many women and men (fathers, brothers do co-exist with the epithet “Democrat”!) who were phenomenally disappointed to view His most blatant misogynist core beliefs exhibited in this YouTube mega-hit for the ages, which should be submitted for the Oscars:
“OBAMA GIVES HILLARY THE FINGER” - where he attends at the N.C. stage, the day after his rather inept Pa. ABC Debate performance, and offers a well-orchestrated JayZ-rapper-wannabe act that comprises the dusting off and scraping off his dainty shoulders and shiny shoes of excrement (which is clearly implied to be HRC) thus offering his own idiosyncratic show of ‘respect’ for his fellow (female) Senator! The misogynist media frat-boys who pushed this high-schoolish mime to the finish line of superdels should be proud of Him for this Oscar-worthy mime act!
And in the process, BHO offers the rest of the undecided female voters Exhibits ‘A’ to ‘Z’ of his unshakeable certitude in the Justification of Misogyny in Politics! Yes, comrade, this is the man who knocked off the ballots in Chicago in ‘96 his mentor and benefactor AA Sen. Alice Palmer. Barack,in fact, STOLE the election from Alice (she supports Sen.Hillary Diane Rodham-Clinton, and can thou blameth her?)–just as he stole the nomination from Hillary!
So, if you see a sociopathic, blatantly misogynist pattern of behaviour in Barack’s brilliantly short political career, I don’t blame you. If you don’t, get checked for OBA-MYOPIA. Don’t fret, tho! It’s a curable affliction. You just have to wait till November when the GE ophthalmogist gets back in town!
To rebut you on every reason why Obama is wrong for this country will take from here to eternity. If you insist that Obama is preferable, there is really nothing more to say.
So, why don’t you go and have a substantive discussion with like-minded individuals elsewhere?
Wants to be president of all 57 states!
Now, just hold on - it’s 58 states!!!
Obama DID vote for the Bush/Cheney energy bill! See what happens when supporters don’t bother to actually look at for what Obama stands?? Oh, and just as a reminder, CLINTON VOTED AGAINST THE ENERGY bill!! Just sayin’…
Here’s another one to add to the list of comparisons: Big Damn Liar! (Does that cover saying one thing then flipping to the opposite side, depending on whom he wants to impress? Like FISA??)
Yeah, it’s real good that Obama has spent his life chasing after a dead beat polygamist dad while disparaging the women that took care of him as typical white racists.
And McCain actually has a record of doing just that. Obama…. well…. he can’t even unite his own party, and somehow he’s supposed to unite the country, the world, and then, the whole UNIVERSE!!
Actually, the very fact that “evangelicals” aren’t rallying behind McCain and think he’s “too liberal” gives me more than enough impetus to vote FOR McCain to influence the future direction of the Republican party (towards the more McCain center) and AWAY from the hack-leftist wing of the Democrats that Obama represents.
Yeah. It’s not like we can
A yes. “Nothing.” Daddy #1 was prominent economist, #2 a prominent business man. Grandma a bank president, and mom a poor single DOCTORAL student on foodstamps. Yeah. “Nothing.”
And actually, having gone to law school, I DO have an idea “how hard it is to get on law review.” I’m also thinking there was probably a lot of affirmative action going on, given the fact he never wrote an article for the law review, and the law review administration that came after his reversed all of his “changes” that he made while “in power.”
But then let’s fast forward to his lackluster law career, and the fact that he didn’t have an accomplishment to his name in the state legislature until the last year he was there… all of it spoon fed to him by those trying to make him a US Senator.
He’s spent his life rejecting his mother and grandmother, huh? And the editorship of the Harvard Law Review means nothing, huh? And you’re going to try to elect a Republican who vows to continue the Iraq War, extend Bush’s tax cuts, defend homeland security spying and military torture and appoint strict constructionist judges who will alter the balance of power on the Supreme Court in order to try and move the Republican Party to the left? Because the Democrat scares you?
You are all fucking deranged.
What is UP with you and the f-ing Harvard Law Review? Seriously, you make law review by having good grades in law school. Nobody ever said Obama wasn’t smart.
And what, really, is Obama’s position on the war? I’ve heard about three different versions of his “plan” for withdrawal…. followed by a non-committed answer…. followed by a “we’ll figure it out later.”
Tax cuts? Newsflash: CONGRESS sets tax cuts. CONGRESS has the power of the purse, not the President.
And if you can remind me… who appointed those members of the Supreme Court we now consider “liberals?” Oh yeah…. and um… who is responsible for confirming nominations to the Supreme Court again?
I’m a “low information voter,” you see, so I don’t know the answers to these questions.
The articles published during the year BO was editor of the Harvard Law Review have become the least cited of all articles of the HLR, either by other law review articles or court decisions. BO never authored a Law Review article himself.
Liberals claim to protect collective rights, i.g., gay rights, woman rights, black rights. Conservatives claim to protect individual rights. Let see who has done better as progressives in the landmark Supreme Court decisions of protection of rights.
Boumediene v. Bush granting habeas corpus rights to non-uniformed enemy combatants captured on the field of battle (superior to any rights they would have under the Geneva Conventions) was written for the majority by a Republican, Anthony Kennedy, appointed by Ronald Reagan.
Kennedy was also the author for the majority in Romer v. Evans, invalidating laws denying gays the right to bring local discrimination claims and in Lawrence v. Texas, invalidating criminal prohibitions against private sexual acts between consenting gay adults.
Planned Parenthood v. Casey re-affirming the Roe v. Wade decision recognizing the right to abortion was written by Sandra Day O’Connor, the first woman on the SUpreme Court and another appointee of Ronald Reagan. Justice Kennedy joined O’Connor d in the majority opinion.
Roe v. Wade itself was authored for the majority by another Republican, Harry Blackmun, who was appointed to the Supreme Court by Richard Nixon.
Brown v. Board of Education, which struck down laws allowing racial segregation was written by another Republican, Earl Warren, an Eisenhower appointee.
Warren also wrote the opinions in Gideon v. Wainwright, which held that the Sixth Amendment required that indigent non-capital criminal defendants receive publicly-funded counsel, and Miranda v. Arizona, which required that certain rights of a person being interrogated while in police custody be clearly explained, including the right to an attorney.
Christine, YOU are just too awesome. I admire smart women like you. I’m not being smarmy, really I’m not. These Obamabutts are just too stupid by far to stand up to these intelligent NoQuarter responders.
The troll is getting desperate and is just throwing out scripted talking points. Kind of like Obama, needs a teleprompter in front of him to make sense.
You support a fucking Marxist, douchebrain.
That settles the matter.
Answer the Marxist issue.
Oh yeah, not referring to Groucho, Harpo, etc.
They were all born in the United States.
You need to stop with the Law Review stuff- you don’t know what you are talking about. It stopped being merit based the year Obama got it. Do you understand? Or should I spell it out and be accussed of racism?
Why would he write a book about the dreams of a father that abandoned him?
It’s just a typical story about another Black man abandoning his family.
But why on earth would Obama honor the scumbucket?
He could have written a book about Mom and the Grandma who raised him. You know, Mom and apple pie.
Get us his Harvard grades (preferably not forged)
I figure kos will find them and post them , don’t worry , be happy. Hussein Obama is on the job, no worries. Pray hard. LOL
Hillary or McCain 08!!!!!
Geez,
you don’t think his grades were lower than Kerry’s do you? 2.2 or something like that…
oh yea i see how obama defends the constitution just look at his fisa flip flop.
Obama has backed off on his promise to remove all troops in eighteen months and his financial advisors said last week they would lower corporate taxes even more.
And McCain actually has a record of doing just that. Did you ever wonder why McCain was pissed at BO?
Go on take a guess.
It was because McCain reached across the way to BO and BO, as is bluntly apparent, blew him off, after giving his word he would support McCain. His word is worth ZIP NADA ZERO NOTHING.
I feel your pain, sfhillary, but please get your facts correct. If he was so “brilliant” as L. Tribe described him, where or where are ANY articles he wrote for the review? ZIP NADA NOTHING. = EMPTY SUIT>.
These Obamabots cannot begin to understand that they have been bamboozled.
They backed someone who is nothing like they projected
They will one day wake up and realize that they ridiculed/attacked/belittled/insulted THE ONE TRUE POGRESSIVE: HILLARY
sitting in a racist, anti American, hateful church for 20 years is NOT TRIVIAL
being associated with a domestic terrorist is NOT TRIVIAL
Being associated with someone who ran slums in your district and you did nothing is NOT TRIVIAL
And despite the many Obama supporters who lack it, BEING PRESIDENT IS ABOUT CHARACTER.
I’ll take McCain despite any and all things I don’t agree with him on over Obama.
You’ll “take McCain” because you do not know or care anything about McCain’s actual character. You are a hate junkie and participating in groupthink trashing of Obama gets you off psychologically. That is all any of you clowns are. The vibe on this site gets more and more repellent every day. I need to leave. I need a shower.
Seriously, nobody asked you to be here. It’s not like you add anything that hasn’t been said before.
I agree–You DO need a shower. Better yet you need to take a run through the dip with the disinfectant.
A colonic purge might be more helpful than the shower
a shower won’t help you……….
hey sfhillary..
i know this about McCains character……..
John McCain……..
“In 1968 he was offered early release, and when he refused, because others had been there longer, his captors went at him again; he suffered cracked ribs, teeth broken off at the gum line, and torture with ropes that lashed his arms behind his back and that were progressively tightened all through the night.” Source Vanity Fair, February 2007
“He spent two years in solitary confinement, suffered from dysentery and even tried to commit suicide by hanging himself with his own shirt.
In 1968, the Vietnamese broke off many of his teeth at the gum and tortured him for hours on end. They offered him early release, knowing his value as an admirals son, but he refused, saying others had been held captive longer.” Source Daily Mail, February 1, 2008
and what do i know about Obama’s character..well he sat for 20 years in a church that he now wants to give my freaking tax money to ..with a minister..who thinks my country is “god damned AMERICA”..the country my husband fought for , my father fought for and my grandfather fought for..
wtf has Obama ever fought for???
not a “god damned” thing…he votes present ..or can’t f’ing figure out how to vote! or so he says..he hides his records..and he is a fing coward!..a Whiny coward at best!
and send his little trolls like you here..so spew his horse crap!
Now go take that shower..the rest of us are too busy trying to clean up your bullshit..and we will have to take our shower after we have cleaned up the crap you leave laying around!
fly
Hope the shower is not like the ones in BO Illinois senate district; without hot water in the cold ass Chicago winter….
so quit threatening to leave and just leave. keep your word.
the shower you will need after obama loses won’t ever wash away the shit you’ve peddled.
now leave and STFU.
Why are you then forcing yourself on us? Go take a shower and tell mom and dad you’re home and don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
P.S. - Don’t come back!
I agree, never Obama.
I think you better hold on, sweetie. BO is going to throw the anti-war crowd under the bus in 3…2…1…
And yes, BO DID support the Bush/Cheney Energy Corporate Welfare Act for the Most Profitable Corporations in History. Look it up. BTW McCain and Clinton did NOT support it.
BO’s daddy was a legacy at Harvard just like GW’s. He DID NOT COME UP FROM NOTHING
Sf- if you are queasy over Nobama- there is still time! Join us and help Hillary become the nominee in August at the convention.
As far as Nobama and the Harvard Law Review– please, read the news accounts from people who were there at the time. Haven’t you ever wonder why he hasn’t released his grades? Or never clerked for a judge?
Hussein makes me want to puke………..He is disgusting……..
shhillary — Obama will always have your support. Because nothing is too dirty for you. They couldn’t pay me to post on his behalf — I have my standards. Please don’t use Hillary’s name and then post the crap you do.
A bargain was made to make Obama the nominee based on the assumption that Clinton’s voters would vote for downballot Democrats anyway whereas Obama’s voters would not show up at the polls unless he is on the ballot. Thus, by having Obama as the nominee, the Democratic party’s leaders think they are very likely to win even if Obama loses.
What is this Democratic Party that we must support? I have been a loyal Democrat since McGovern. The Democratic Party today has lost sight of the core values that made me loyal. The examples are legion, but consider the following: First, it stood idly by while a major primary candidate was thrashed and trashed, even though she would have been the first truly qualified female nominee and possibly the first female president. The Democratic Party I was loyal to would have fought back. Second, if the congressional leadership stands for any Democratic core values, I do not know what they are. Nancy Pelosi’s first act was to take impeachment off the table. If Democrats do not stand for holding a President accountable who has tricked us into war and death, they do not deserve support. Third, both Pelosi and Harry Reid support the assault on civil liberties that is the FISA legislation. The only time I have seen either of them truly excited and pushing hard for something was the bailout of the Hedge Funds– against a congressional backdrop in which bankruptcy protection was taken away from ordinary citizens who suffer catastrophic financial losses– even because of medical conditions.
It might be argued that Democrats could not muster enough votes to prevail on any core issue legislation. Even so, could they not have drawn a line in the sand and made the other side bleed a little for its victory?
Sometimes, a thing is so rotten it no longer can be built upon. To my way of thinking, this is the Democratic Party of today. I do not think the Republican Party is any better at all– but if the leadership of the Democratic Party loses this easy election, maybe, just maybe, some adults who have real values will take charge and make me want to be a part of the Party again.
Thank you I totally agree with you the Democratic Party doesn’t stand for Democratic principals anymore and hasn’t for some time.
You have made an excellent point re. the two Party system in this country and it is one I have been giving a great deal of thought to in view of recent evidence. I read part of Thoreau’s Civil Disobedience recently and he is not the only one to have made the point when a government is no longer responding to the needs of the citizens, the PEOPLE have an obligation to resist. Not one of them advocated armed resistance, but intelligent citizens should be able to find a way to change the system.
We have accepted the two party system for over a hundred and fifty years and it is clear unless that changes, we will continue this path of corruption until the country dies under it’s weight. I read a paper years ago, supporting two parties mathematically as working best. The premise being additional parties would cause a deadlock where nothing could be accomplished.
On the other hand, there is no reason to believe we can’t change the parties themselves and there has never been a better time. Our economy is failing because of pork and a war Americans agreed to because they were given information leading them to believe Iraq was a danger. Congress and the executive branch benefit from the status quo so they aren’t motivated to change the way things are done.
Only fifty percent, on average, of eligible voters actually vote and they are the same groups every election. Right now, some of those groups from both parties are unhappy. It would seem the only way to change anything is anarchy at the conventions. If the delegates refuse to fall in line with the procedures set up by the power, it is possible to halt the convention until their voices are heard. Those sitting at home will see the problems and more may become involved in the process.
The amount of money being spent by both parties is obscene and every taxpayer should be outraged our elections are bought and sold. Anyone, Pelosi is a good example, who lives in a wealthy district and raises enough money and support the campaigns of like minded candidates has too much power in the selection of congress.
I guess it won’t happen and we will have to crash and burn before real changes are made and citizens take the power back.
i AGREE WITH YOU honestlawyer mostly..
there are not two parties..i decided that in Iowa when i worked for Edwards and i heard at the top hotel bar the talk from the campaign mgrs for Edwards..they knew all this stuff about Obama ..but Edwards stayed silent..why?? was he part of AXELRODS PLAN OR PART OF THE SOLUTION TO TAKING OUT HILLARY?
Yes i heard all sorts of nasty stuff Edwards people knew about Obama …and they never used the info..why?????????? It was all like inside jokes, they all knew about..and here we are..if anyone here doesn’t believe the repubs know the same stuff, they are only fooling themselves.
I believe the repigs want Obama ..the real powers that be…”the octopus”???…he is their guy..
I knew when i left Iowa..there is one party with one big giant money pot in the middle..the dems are no better than the repigs..they are just as guilty and complicit in what is going on with this war..the economy and the loss of jobs in this country..the drug running ..the works..they have just fooled a damn lot of people.
And it is time we all stand up for our responsibility of “we the people”..we need to take this back ..right now in history from these so called powers that are running us and stealing our money and tax dollars and addicting our kids and killing our kids education , and leaving the people of this country in needless fear and paralyized..we need a wake up call..all the way down the dem ticket..no one must be safe in their seats..on either side of this damn filthy isle.
We must take this country back from these evil dirty bastards..each and every one of them.
my 2 cents..
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We know how Obama did it. It was a lot like how he got selected to be the Dem nominee.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/05/obama-mythical.html
Do I care? Since when does that equal experience. It has nothing to do with congressional accomplishment, DUH! Its called a call to authority. “Obama is correct on everything because he stayed at a holiday inn express.” Please, go look for a moron somewhere else.
The linked article shows that Obama was not selected on merit to the Presidency of the Harvard Law Review, just as he was not “selected” on merit as presumptive nominee of this party. I doubt that Obama has ever come by any of his offices honestly.
Lightning should strike each of you Obamabutts when you make this horseshit argument.
Democrats sat on their hands while Bush replaced Sandra Day O’Connor with Alito — oh, no, we can’t filibuster, that would be rude.
And they actually had control of the Senate when Clarence Thomas was confirmed, which was up until the savaging of Hillary Clinton by misogynist Obama, the highwater mark of sexism by the Democratic Party as they stood silently and cowardly aside as Anita Hill was mauled by Thomas proponents.
So take your Supreme Court argument back to your Supreme Leader and tell him we’ll take McCain any day over Obama’s lying, flip-flopping cowardice.
Unable to think quickly off teleprompter.
They both have no regard for the constitution.
Won’t debate anyone
Both think God wants them to be president.
This one is technically wrong. Bush thinks God wanted him to be President. Obama thinks he is God.
Bush thought God was talking to him, but it was Cheney on an intercom.
Both said their inexperience wouldn’t matter because they’d have great advisors telling them what do to. That might be the scariest one.
Running for president with a shockingly lightweight resume–no facts or history to get in the way of telling the people whatever they want to hear? I’d say that’s #1.
“Don’t worry, he’ll appoint good people.”
O is the left’s W.
Oh! I forgot:
7. Untravelled
So if you don`t belong any organized religon…you are out of luck.
I bet Donald Young and Larry Sinclair will hop on the Obama bus now..oops, Young is dead and Sinclair is targeted…
Jesus H. Christ…what next??
I see, now the rumors about murders start. This is exactly what the Republican underground tried to do to Bill Clinton in the 90s. Precisely. In argument, in method, in tone — everything. Clinton was the antichrist, he was the most criminal, hideous, dishonest politician ever, the U.S. was going to collapse if he was allowed to disgrace the Oval Office with his presence. He and his shady Arkansas machine were responsible for all kinds of horrible crimes, the media was in his back pocket so they wouldn’t report it. On and on.
And now you people are doing the exact same thing to Obama. In the name of the Clintons. Man, does no one on this site have any sense of history, or of irony?