Two at a Time: Saving the Dems and GOP with One Vote
By iam0nly1 on July 2, 2008 at 9:35 AM in Barack Obama, Democratic Party, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Just Say No Deal, JustSayNoDeal.Com, PUMA, PUMAPac, Qualifications, Republicans
The Far Left Wing forces of the Democratic Party have raided our wagons, are taking the reins and are attempting to leave without us. However, we Pumas are encircling the wagons, determined to prevent the theft of our Party, our principles and above all, Democracy.
Like many of you, I have clung to hope, a sense of righteousness, principle and a somewhat naïve belief in cosmic justice throughout this entire primary season. After the Iowa caucus, I remained an optimist, believing Hillary would prevail. I believed it even more after Super Tuesday, and still more after March 4th. I felt confident that if she and we did what we had to do, win Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Puerto Rico, South Dakota to boot, and win the popular vote, that reason would reign. Even through the deafening calls for her to prematurely leave the race, I still believed. Why? Somehow, I had gotten through more than two decades of my life with the privilege of believing that the right thing always happens, that somehow the universe will right itself when it seems to be headed down the wrong path: a by-product of growing up in the 90’s, and not having the first hand knowledge of tragic assassinations and unjust wars the members of Hillary’s generation endured.
I am still clinging to this belief, this hope, that ultimately Hillary Rodham Clinton will be nominated as the Democratic Presidential Candidate for 2008.
The stakes are indeed too high, the risks too great for America and the world to be deprived of a Hillary Rodham Clinton presidency. The Democratic Party is a fiend for an injection of Hillary’s fighting spirit and unyielding determination. But more importantly, America and the world desperately need her wealth of experience, breadth of knowledge, competency and commitment to the core values of America, Democracy and the collectivism our increasingly interconnected global community requires.
Should Barack Obama ultimately be nominated at the Democratic National Committee Convention in Denver, this primary election will have taught me a hard, yet obvious lesson: life is truly not fair, the most qualified person, the most deserving and hard working person does not always get a fair shake, much less the position or opportunity they are best suited for. Sometimes the lesser qualified, woefully inadequate, yet popular person benefits from a flawed system.
I guess, it is something I always knew, as I had witnessed it play out numerous times in middle school, high school, and now college, and undoubtedly will witness later on in life. However, I always found solace in knowing that eventually the truth of the matter would become clear. Somehow, the undeserving, in-over-his or her head individual would severely under-perform, or make an egregious mistake revealing not only his or her inability, but also the ignorance of those who disregarded qualifications in favor of superficial qualities and appointed, hired or elected the clearly inferior nominee, applicant or candidate.
Sadly, should Senator Obama be elected, there will be no solace in his failures, no cosmic justice, because our country and the world will be the recipients of the repercussions. For this reason, I, like many of us, cannot sit back and wait for the inevitable massive failure and disappointment that will characterize a failed Obama presidency. We, like Hillary, have that indefatigable fighting spirit and conviction. We will not allow the Democratic Party to foist an illegitimate, inexperienced candidate upon us while simultaneously treading on the sacred values of Democracy, fairness, and our core tenant of “one person, one vote.”
Hillary has always reflected on her days as a Republican and her eventual departure from the Republican flock, by lamenting, “I didn’t leave the Republican Party as much as it left me.” Strangely I believe the impetus for her departure from the Republican Party is poised to repeat itself within the Democratic Party. In her revealing memoir, Living History, Hillary writes:
“The nomination of Richard Nixon cemented the ascendance of a conservative over a moderate ideology within the Republican Party, a dominance that has grown more pronounced over the years as the party has continued its move to the right and moderates have dwindled in numbers and influence. I sometimes think that I didn’t leave the Republican Party as much as it left me.”
Senator Obama’s nomination, like President Nixon’s will confirm the rise of the radical over moderate ideology within the Democratic Party that could take decades to undo, over which time, if this primary season is any indication, we, the moderate backbone of the Party, will be actively shut out and marginalized.
We Pumas will not sit by as the Democratic Party leaves its core principles, and constituencies, trampling upon Democracy as it goes. We will not be left without a Party. We will not be told to “get over it” and “fall in line.” We will not be held hostage to a Party that no longer values us or our contributions and simply gives lip service every four years to what they perceive as our concerns in order to pressure us into rubber stamping their often failed agendas, or worse, corrupt, inept and puppet candidates.
Thankfully, with this election, we have the opportunity to save not one, but two Parties. Senator Obama and those that back him are a part of the fair left fringe of our party that is attempting to wrest control and form the “New Democratic Party.” Senator McCain is a moderate at his core, and represents a dramatic shift to the center for the Republican Party. In November, we can send a clear message to the Democratic Party establishment that we will not allow the theft of the moderate Republican Party to be replicated within the Democratic Party, and simultaneously begin to restore the old moderate strain to the Republican Party.
On November 5th, after we have thwarted the take over of the Democratic Party, we can rest assured knowing we have handed the reins of our country to steady, experienced and moderate hands with the added bonus of ensuring that we, America and the world will not have to mourn forever the loss of the presidency that will be Hillary Rodham Clinton’s.
I know I’m beating a dead horse, but it’s hardly the “far-left wing” that has hijacked our party. Is Dennis Kucinich the nominee?
Kucinich is FAR LESS farcicle than the oblahblah
I would like a strawberry Farcicle please…
Best laugh I’ve had all day…yay Zeke
Kucinich is FAR LESS pathetic than the oblahblah
Kucinich is also the actual left of the democratic party. Oblahblah certainly is not.
No, Rep. Kucinich is the PRINCIPLED left of the party. Obama is a self serving radical, able to change his positions more often than his underwear. He could only wish to have the intellectual consistency of Dennis Kucinich.
Hell, 500 million annually could go a long way towards Kucinich’s department of peace, rather than the stupidity of giving the money to faith based initiatives.
I prefer the word “left” preceded with your modifier.
I absolutely agree with you. Although I disagree with Rep. Kucinich ‘s views , but he is honest and trustworthy. He truly says what he believes and he actually has done what he says he will do.
Obama is not, nor has he ever been, far left. He is a person who capitulates to whatever forces he perceives as the most favorable to his rise to fame and fortune. And now those forces are corporate forces. He is a whore and a bore. Money talks and he has no principles. And the people behind him have agendas that are yet to be totally revealed. But they aren’t good, of that we can be sure.
One thing he IS adamant about….Black Theology.
New Record:
27 Minutes from 9:35am article posting to first scary black man post at 10:02am, which has nothing to do with original post.
New sport, Identify the first racist post!
Yes, we understand. Mention the word black in the context of BOBO. You’re a racist. But that would make your scary Black man comment racist Bill.
These people remind me of the fools that said you could not call the day after Thanksgiving “black Friday” as it was not politically correct.
It was always a bookkeeping term. The stores made enough sales to go from red to black ink.
Had nothing to do with race until the so called politically correct fools made it so.
Who was the real racist?
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMA RULES
You’re denying that he spent 20 years in a church focussed on Black Liberation Theology? Then you are denying his history. It was you that made the conclusion that this fact is scary. If you wanted to make a real point you would take care to show us why BLT is something everyone should embrace. But if you fly off like this at the very word “black,” well–it looks like the race card–just saying.
May I have a BLT with my Strawberry Farcicle please?
Sorry, the letter “B” has een struck from the alpha et as racist.
Oh, alls! What a crock of utter ullshit!
How could any e so gulli le!
To Bill Ohio:
Get a dictionary and learn what “racist” means.
Then look up what “racial” means to find out the difference.
Then look up what marxist black liberation theology is.
Then check what “racist” means AGAIN.
Then the next time you feel like attacking someone by calling them racist because they are AGAINST RACISM you might prefer to keep your warped interpretations to yourself.
P.S.
Calling people racist does NOT make YOU LESS racist.
I think you are the one who made it your mission tonight to call everyone racist, so read your own post for your sage advice.
Listen folks if you support partial birth abortions?? That’s about as FAR LEFT as you can get!!
Remember Barry said “no one should be PUNISHED with a child”
red flags went up all over the place and I always considered myself a liberal
but not THAT LIBERAL!!
they can deny it all they want
Were I to punish someone, a stick works better than a child.
Why are you using the sexist language of the militant - get rid of women by forcing them to die - misogynists?
Is it far left when you also support partial birth certificates?
Does any one on this site really believe that it was the press or the people who “brought” out the Black Liberation Theology. Did the OB campaign “think” it wasn’t wasn’t going to come out. Of course, they knew it would come out. He has been the big planned diversion of his campaign. They created the race baiting. They created the “Marxist” freakin’ diversion. Isn’t it obvious? It kept his supporters from seeing how non-liberal he is. He wouldn’t have had those votes if he presented himself as a centrist. He should have been vetted as Hillary Clinton said over and over and over again.
Now Obama is a closet centrist? PUHLEEZE!
Black Liberation Theology has its roots in Marxism. Twenty years of that programming tossed on top of whatever bullshit his wacky Marxist mother fed him has not made him a centrist. All this centrist bullshit he is pumping out is simply the smokescreen he needs now to attract the very small minority of fence sitters who are still hoping this lying sonofabitch isn’t what he appears to be.
Any additional Muslim crap he picked up from uncles, brothers, etc. only aids him in his understanding of misleading people. Muslims are taught that its completely alright to lie to an Infidel, in fact it is desired.
This dude is devious but he is not smart.
Obama is totally in character. It is very important to understand that he is after one thing and will say and do whatever he has to to get what he’s after.
His eyes are on the prize. Don’t let is wiggly fingers distract you.
I also know that the Chicago School and the Radical School of Sociology are just the opposite. Your theory should be reversed. His wiggling finger of “radical” distracted his followers.
could be…
I sometimes use too big a shovel when going through his bull. Herculean tasks scare the crap out of me.
It may be that a trowel and a stunted sense of smell could get to the ‘bottom’ of it but for now, I’ll just call all of it shit and deal with him accordingly.
Regards
Obama dances to anyone’s accordian so long as it benefits him
I wonder if a small fez, a unicycle and a lit smoke are part of the show. Dangerous work near a large bus!
I agree. But, many of his backers-namely, youth, media, and a small but vocal minority of activists-are far left.
There are several “Obamas.” There is the flip-flop, janus-faced, empty vessel, pandering Obama (who is a multiplicity unto himself). He doesn’t stand for anything. He’s Baskin Robbins 31 flavors.
Then there is the image of Obama that he and Axelrod, and now the MSM, have promoted. This is why he is winning. Because image has become more important than reality. Image IS realty in his case.
Because so many Democratic party “elites” (Brazile, Dean, Pelosi, et. al.) want more power, they have latched on to whatever is popular and fashionable. Everyone was so fed up with Bush, all they needed was something different. And that is the image that Axelrod and other propagandists developed for Obama.
It isn’t so much that the left wing is hijacking the party. They could not have done it alone, because they are really just a fringe group. It is that the MEDIA has decided it would be selective in the news it reported and that it would actively back a candidate. The party leadership decided it would actively back a candidate rather than let voters be the sole decision-makers. And the widespread use of the internet and forms of propaganda (e.g., the music videos etc) especially among uninformed youth gave this a viral quality.
That’s how I would characterize it. The Democratic Party has caught a virus.
nah… the obamababy bots don’t know their left from their right…
right! uhhh correct!
Wright, I meant
I have always thought Kucinich is very principled, but not very practical, so I wasn’t inclined to vote for him.
Obama, the flip-flop, two-faced puppetman, is very practical, but seems to have no principles whatsoever. I have never been inclined and never will vote for him.
Hillary, I believe, is both principled and practical and I cannot for the life of me understand what problem her Congressional colleagues have with not supporting her over Obama.
Don’t understand it.
Yup. Agree completely. Like Penn Gov Ed Rendell says, “I just don’t for the life of me understand it.”
IF DENNIS KUCINICH COULD RAKE IN THE MILLIONS LIKE OBAMA, HE WOULD BE THE TALLEST MAN IN DEM PARTY, AND YOUR YOUR NOMINEE
I don’t think it’s a question of the far left, really, but of a power grabbing corrupt group who will not respect democratic values. As we could see in the last few days only, Obama does not represent liberal positions, but will move to a conservative stance without blinking an eye, if he thinks it serves his power grab. That’s what I consider the most dangerious - beside the choice of his corrupt friendships - trait. He switches depending on his audience and there is no way of knowing where he stands at any time. He is unpredictable and oportunistic. That is a vary dangerous characteristic for a POTUS.
Bill Clinton was the master of this: it was called “triangulation” and he did it brilliantly, moving to the center and coopting conservative positions to keep the GOP from being able to call him a “Far Leftist.” It was the hallmark of his successful presidency. But now that Obama’s doing the same thing it’s evidence of how terribly, terribly evil he is. Whatever.
Brilliant post. And quite right.
Don’t equate Obama with Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton did not sit in a racist, anti-American church for 20 years.
LOL. That’s right — take refuge in trivial character-assassination crap. Thankfully, the vast majority of voters will be casting their ballots based on the economy, Iraq, health care and the like — not on the PUMAs and John McCain’s preferred terrain: Wright, Ayers, Pfleger, etc. You have descended to the lowest rung of mainstream, inside-the-Belway political hell: pure character/process/sound bite based hackery. Congratulations — another way that PUMAs are now basically Republicans.
It’s true, Bill Clinton didn’t sit in a racist anti-American church for twenty years. BOBO did.
Uh, if you want to go the character-assassination route, Bill Clinton, to say the least, has given us plenty of ammunition. Delving into and obsessing over the details of his personal life was scummy and destructive when the right-wingers did it to Clinton in the 90s, and it is scummy and destructive when you people do it to Obama now. And just as his personal life had no bearing on the success of his presidency, Obama’s personal life has no real bearing on how he would conduct himself as President.
Racism isn’t a character attribute. It’s a vile beast that lives in the dark corners of the human mind and liberalism has been fighting against it since before I was born. That BOBO would be a member of a racist church for twenty years trumps any policy positions he and I may share. I don’t want that kind of scum sitting in the oval office.
But Obie didn’t realize that until recently, even though I’m told he is the most perceptive politician EVAH!
You can’t defend Obama’s character (the most important attribute a person can have) so you try to trivalize it.
Obama does not even understand the issues. By the time October comes around Obama will be agreeing with McCain on Iraq. Obama will not have a time table like he has been beating his chest about.
Obama does not have a clue about the economy. His only answer is to raise taxes. Anyone who knows basic economy knows taxes should not be raised in a poor economy.
You have been doing a pathetic effort trying to convince others to vote for Obama - keep up the bad work.
GEORGE SOROS, go read
You all need detox. Do the SAME research on the narcissist Kucinich that you’ve done on Obama and then get back to me.
HINT: THE LOCAL papers that followed the EARLY CAREER of Kucinich should give you the clue, if you couldn’t tell just by the fact he’s thrice married, now to an infant arm-candy ditz.
And if you think she’s not a world-class ditz, you also haven’t been paying attention. Google her and the BREATHARIANS.
KUCINICH CULT AND RON PAUL CULT are no different from the OBAMA CULT.
Every one of them worshipped by the antiwar crowd…and every one of the politicians sucking up to the DUPES when it suits them.
If you weren’t out on the street protesting by November 2000, good chance you are one of those antiwar dupes. Useless. Easily led. Everything that happened could’ve easily been predicted in 2000. People who waited for the war are into reaction, not proaction. And subject to worshipping manipulators.
Activate a few more brain cells today. Give up your STUPID teddy bears and false heros.
My absolute favorite was the howling and whining and hair-rending and screeching and bawling by the 9/11 conspiracy nuts when Kucinich played those morons like a violin.
They thought he was gonna “investigate” their bullshit. Hey! He pandered to any nutcase…more crowds to worship him! Only one of them had enough working brain cells to call his office the last time he was re-elected and ask when (too funny!!! “when” hahaha!!!) the investigation would start.
He was told, “It’s not a priority.”
No freaking doubt.
Also check out how Kucinich, like Obama, refuses to debate the women who run against him each year.
which woman did obama refuse to debate?
Yes, Kucinich is what the left of the Democratic Party looks like. Obama is a closet Republican, or a bi-party member of the Illinois Combine who was enabled by Republicans to come in and discredit the left and destroy the party. He will made a very good Republican president, with the added twist of raising taxes to enrich the affirmative action fringe of business as usual.
He’s not a liberal. He might have some radical friends, but the very first people he threw under the bus was the liberal wing of the D Party. The fauxgressives were so busy creating chaos that few people noticed or remembered.
This is what cracks me up about this site. Some of you hate Obama because he’s a secret Republican conservative fascist; some of you hate him because he’s a far-left radical Communist; some of you hate him because he is neither and just adopts any convenient position. You are all utterly intellectually incoherent. You just get off on fanning one another’s hatred of a man who is basically a figment of your imaginations. It must be an endorphin thing or something. Hating Obama is like your Prozac.
If he is a liberal, then why can’t he just say, “I am a liberal”?
I am a “proud Liberal”. I am “proud to be a liberal”. “Thank you to all my liberal supporters”.
“Thank you, all my liberal supporters for not gasping or abandoning me when I said “I respect Reagan”.
Defining oneself in this way is rarely good politics. Defining one’s opponent in this way, is often good politics. That’s why “let them eat change” would want Obama to define himself as a liberal; because that would help McCain.
I define myself as a liberal and I’ll be voting for McCain this year.
Then, with all due respect, I define you as an ignorant fool. McCain will empower the most anti-liberal forces the U.S. has faced in many decades. And if he is able to nominate replacements for John Paul Stevens, the oldest and most liberal members of the Supreme Court, he will probably be able to set back the liberal agenda for a generation. That is no exaggeration, and the feeble arguments that PUMA have been able to advance to defend your idiocy — Roe v. Wade still stands, Justices are sometimes unpredictable — are, sorry, utter horseshit. Alito and Roberts have been exactly as advertised. One more conservative Justice replacing a liberal one — by far the most likely outcome of a McCain presidency — and the hardcore conservative Right will have a majority on the Supreme Court.
Stop living in denial of the likeliest results of your petulant, ignorant, deeply foolish and destructive actions. And stop pretending you’re a fucking liberal if you vote for John McCain. You aren’t — vote for McCain and you are a right-wing conservative Republican. Own it.
Divided government works. It is the foundation principle of our government of the people. It is the only defense a liberal has against the machinations of the fringes when there is no liberal running for president. With Hillary gone that is the case. the Liberal agenda as it is written down in the US constitution is designed around the concept of checks and balances. As such President McCain can’t do anything without the consent of the democratic congress. Like wise the democratic congress can’t do anything without the consent of President McCain. Nothing will happen unless both parties consent. No extreme can take the reigns of power and do with them as they like. The excesses of the bush administration won’t be repeated because they can’t be repeated… unless of course during the next four year the democratic congress doesn’t have any spine to act as the check and balance against the executive branch. But if that is the case were McCain to be president, it will also be the case were BOBO to be president. Electing BOBO to save the congress from themselves would be the same action the republicans took when they elected bush and then let their republican congress rubber stamp his every action rather then do the job that is expected of them as congressmen and a co-equal branch of government. Making this mistake again in the name of the democratic party is against liberal principles as they are written and I will have no part in it.
You, and I think many other well-intentioned PUMAs, are kidding yousrselves. The President, as Commander in Chief, has the power to decide when, whether and how our troops leave Iraq, when or whether we attack Iran, how we go after Al Qaeda. The President sets the budget agenda. The President can veto almost all legislation. And the President nominates all Supreme Court justices. Elect McCain and the odds of getting a solid liberal to replace the solid liberal JP Stevens drop to zero. And this Court is quite frequently a 5-4 court.
Stop kidding yourself. A vote for McCain is a vote — a truly disastrous vote — against the liberal values that many of us have been fighting for for decades.
Apparently Bush won because you bought into all the bullshit he has championed. The congress has the power to revoke the use of force resolution. The congress is the entity that declares ( or authorizes ) war. The congress, specifically the house, is responsible initiatives all spending measures. The president can veto any legislation he wants to and if the congress can’t override then they will have to find compromise or they will have to wait. That’s the way it’s supposed to be. That the rule, not the exception. And congress, specifically the senate, gets to decide if they will allow the nominations of the president to the supreme court to be approved. A democratic senate can stop any of McCain’s appointments and we are going to have a democratic senate.
I’m right to vote for McCain as your hysteria about his possible future actions provides the evidense that you have no confidence that the congress will not do the job that we hired them to do. After eight years of the Bush administration the only thing I am interested in is my government working the way it was designed to work, the way it was written. You want to transform it into a progressive love fest. Sorry but I just lived through the conservative love fest. No more political love fest’s for the rest of the decade for me thanks. I’ll be voting McCain.
The Roe v. Wade canard.
How do you reconcile your statements that Roe v Wade was an opinion handed down by Justice harry Blackmun, a Republican appointed by Richard Nixon. The ruling in Roe was already re-affirmed in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the majority opinion written by another Republican, Sandra Day O’Connor, appointed by Ronald Reagan.
Justice Anthony Kennnedy, also a Republican and Reagan appointee joined O’Connor in the majority opinion. Kennedy also wrote the opinion in Boumediene v. Bush granting habeas corpus rights to non-uniformed enemy combatants captured on the field of battle.
True conservative acknowledge the value of individual rights over government power. It was also the Republicans that struck down the racist segregation laws in Brown v Board of Education, Earl Warren appointed by Eisenhower.
How about gay rights? Kennedy was also the author for the majority in Romer v. Evans, invalidating laws denying gays the right to bring discrimination claims and in Lawrence v. Texas, invalidating criminal prohibitions against private sexual acts between consenting gay adults. Those evil conservatives, what will they do next?
I am a proud liberal, and I have NEVER considered voting for Obama or McCain throughout this entire hellish experience we have all had to go through.
And another thing — I don’t even know who I am voting for but I KNOW it will not be McCain or OB.
All I know to do at this point is stop paying taxes and go to the streets of Denver and put my life, reputation, and perfect law-abiding record on the line, to stop this all of us from having to vote for “the lesser of 2 evils” ever again in our life times!
I will even do that for you, sfhillary.
Well, thank you.
And thank you for at least not voting for McCain. And let me just say — from my perspective as a longtime, moderate-to-liberal Democrat who has vast respect for Bill Clinton’s presidency, voted for HRC in the primary and think she would make an excellent president — I wish there were a way to make at least some of you PUMAs see Obama in a more rational light. There is nothing the guy has said or done that isn’t completely the norm for any politician who spends his or her career doing public policy, working with lobbyists, raising money, fighting over legislation, etc. Just today it was revealed that one of McCain’s top fundraisers is tied to Colombian death squads. The list of shady Clinton associations is endless. It doesn’t make them deeply corrupt; it makes them normal. Just as Obama is normal. The level of vitriol for the guy on this site is irrational and deranged and has no basis in recognizable reality, and it leads to “liberals” saying they’ll be proud to vote for a continuation of the Bush presidency, all to protect America from the fantasy demon in their minds that has nothing to do with the real world Senator from Illinois…
Because he was running on a “change” platform this made many of us leery of him from the get go, b/c we all fully expect politicians are politicians. When Hillary pointed out that “change” did not come this easily and was booed for it, it made me more determined not to vote for him. He sat himself up, and the DEM party, his followers, and even his non followers, by tauting “change” as a magical thing. Does that make sense, as to some of our reasons?
And another thing as to why many of us did not support him after he and his “change” movement got SO big, was b/c we could see that a possible 16 year DEM run was going to be snatched from the jaws of victory. 8 years Hillary, 8 years Obama.
oh so incredulous sfhillary - you think the level of vitriol for BO is amazing? guess you were not paying much attention to the entire BO party and the BO networks during the entire BO/DEM primary. Hillary was trashed daily, where is your precious outrage for Hillary?
btw why not go back and link arms and sing kumbaya with your brethren over at BO Land, since you are so unhappy reading posts here on No Quarter? I dont post on your site.
As the big BO himself said in his book:
He is the one that is intellectually incoheren.
My revulsion of BO is hardly Prozac. He is a very disturbing character who people are growing to dislike more by the day. The reason is that he apparently is of no political leaning whatsoever, he is just supremely self-serving. He has apparently never had any values or political beliefs to have been swayed or changed. He is like a toxic weed that keeps coming up searching for power and money. He has been very hard to define, thats why people are confused about him. The company he keeps and his activities of the last 15 years are astonishingly devoid of even an allusion to an American ideal of a President, left or right.
So you don’t know what a neocon is?! You’re supposed to be so well-informed and rational and pure and enlightened and……full of shit. Plant. Tell us how you helped SMEAR both Clintons and their supporters as racists, and came back with your judgmental bullshit distractions again.
A neocon is a what you call a communist facist or facist communist. It’s the opposite of a moderate. It’s easy to call them facist or communist or both, because they are both. They take things from both sides and it tends to confuse some people. Either way, facist or communist, they both suck and no one should vote for them! Duh!
The world is a complicated place. Unfortunately, your mind is too simple to grasp that.
^^^ that was directed at the troll called “sfhillary”
Thanks PUMA for this post. I do also believe that by convention, perhaps DNC will wake up and nominate Hillary who will be the dream come through nominee and president for our country and the world.
Kucinich is too honest about his positions to get the nomination.
I don’t think Obama himself is far left. It’s people like Dean, his brother and DFA that are far left and are seeking to take power. I supplied a link to Savage Politics, and they explain well how the neocons and the current powers that be in the Dem party are all far left.
I personally think Obama has a bit of neocon in him which would also make him a bit of a far lefty. He’s just good at being ambiguous and hiding it.
Has anyone read this article in the wp? I think it’s funny that Obama had to pay to have Hillary scub those web sites. That in itself makes a statement and shows true UN-ITY.
I hope the Clintons get the last laugh come November and we will be there to laugh with them.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/02/clinton-attacks-against-obama-vanish-web/
that would be the washington times, NOT the washington post (or wp). very different news outlets.
Soros owns the party and he will destroy America, like he almost destroyed England.
Soros is famously known for “breaking the Bank of England” on Black Wednesday in 1992. With an estimated current net worth of around $8.5 billion, he is ranked by Forbes as the 80th-richest person in the world.
yes and where did he get that idea of destroying a currency to gain power…hmmm…
The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency.
Vladimir Lenin
Actually he freed the UK economy from the Exchange Rate Mechanism, which resulted in very high interest rates in order to link the £ to some mythical value. From the very next day, the UK economy started its longest period of economic growth, which has only now slowed - largely as a result of the incompetent living in Pennsylvania Avenue.
Let’s vote for McCain! That way we won’t have universal health care. We will establish a 7-2 conservative majority in the Supreme Court with all kinds of interesting ramifications for the next 40 years. We will establish a permanent presence in Iraq with upwards of 50 bases. Sounds awesome.
And this will be different than Obama????
Yes extremely different. McCain has stated his model for nominees to the SC are Alito and Roberts. And no matter what Obama’s withdrawal plan from Iraq is when he takes office, it will not include a permanent presence of 50 bases.
And you believe this ?
Yes I believe that Obama will not nominate conservatives like Alito and Roberts to the SC. Why is that so hard to believe? Isn’t the point of this posting that Obama represents the radical left of the Dem Party? Now you think he’ll nominate conservative judges? Which is it?
You ask him. He has changed his mind on most things so far. When will it dawn on you that he has used the progressives to achieve his goal. Believe me , he does not care about any of you and sooner or later you will join us, if you believe in Democracy.