Is There a Sucker Born Every Minute?
By NoQuarter on July 3, 2008 at 6:31 PM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs, IOwnMyVote.com, Iraq, Media Bias, National Security
It’s unfortunate that Barack Obama won instant supporters based on the “buzz” about a single speech against the war in 2002 — a speech so little noted by Chicago media that it had to be recreated in a studio for Obama’s campaign ads (see “The Staged Iraq War Speech & More “Creative” Embellishments“). A single speech never followed by further actions or even more words. Ambassador Joseph Wilson says that he looked everywhere for help before the Iraq War, and never once heard about Obama, let alone heard from him.
Yet, legions of supporters flocked to Obama based on that one speech. Now Obama has adopted a revisionist Iraq policy. “Never give a sucker an even break.” Is W.C. Fields now an Obama consultant? Here’s Mark Halperin’s title for this clip of Obama speaking in North Dakota today — Halperin’s notes on statements today are below:
In a second, quickly-scheduled press availability, the Senator insists his position on Iraq has not changed. Watch video above.
“I intend to end this war... That position has not changed. I have not equivocated on that position. I am not searching for maneuvering room with respect to that position.”
Though he also says:
“I have always reserved the right to do what’s best for America’s national interest… I would be a poor commander-in-chief if I didn’t take facts on the ground into account.”
McCain team responds: “Today, Barack Obama reversed (his) position, proving once again that his words do not matter. He has now adopted John McCain’s position….” Read full statement.
Earlier: Obama tells reporters in North Dakota he plans a “a thorough assessment” of his Iraq policy during his coming visit to the country. Read his full comments here.
RNC response: “There appears to be no issue that Barack Obama is not willing to reverse himself on for the sake of political expedience.”
It’s very easy to see why people would be drawn to a candidate who professed to be against the war early on and assured them, in speech after speech, that he’d end it quickly.
After eight years of George Bush and Dick Cheney, people were so desperate they were seeking a “savior.”
But, that’s never how it works out in the real world, only in movies. And that’s especially how it never works out in politics.
On public financing, FISA, and Iraq, Obama has shifted positions, sometimes 180 degrees, all for one reason: So he can win.
I just hope his followers don’t think he’ll become their savior once again if he’s elected.
Great post! I love the WC Fields image, too.
He said exactly what the same as he did in November.
McWar - 100 years and another war in Iran
Obama - a planned withdrawal over 16 months
Unless the generals tell him otherwise. Oh, I mean after he consults with the generals and Obama decides to go with what the generals say, by coming out and saying, “I have told the generals this is what we are going to do”.
The generals could say almost anything to him and he has no experience to know if he is been “McPeek’ed”…
BO; “this is cool”!
Now you’ve gone and done it SusanUnPc. Love WC Fields!
do you just read headlines or actually read the articles?
He’s good with headlines. The rest is just fluff.
I am kind of curious….I find it simply fascinating how anyone can have a plan on withdrawal and can state “exactly” there intent when they have no idea on whats happening on ground.
Amazing really. If the American people take any of these things at face value, they deserve to have buyers remorse later on down the line. I mean, how the hell can anyone have the nerve and audacity to speak in public they are supporting Senator Obama based on a speech made here, in the Unite States, when the war is happening somewhere else? A place he has not been but yet can state at that time how adamently he opposed it.
But even more, he is outlining a plan on troop withdrawal on camera, here, in the United States, when he hasnt talked to any of the officials on ground. Really? Oh and just to let people know, but I doubt anyone cares since its just easier to belive Senator Obama but the whole “withdrawing the two brigades thing”? It’s called a normal rotation. They were coming home anyway.
Jesus people if you want to ruin lives, ruin yours instead of fucking over the entire country by voting on bullshit pandering. It pays to discover. Think about it. And stop quoting that 100 year crap. Seriously. FYI: If the Democratic party majority we have let something such as this pass (IF it was realistic that is)who are you going to blame then?
Stop playing on peoples ignorance with letting them think everything the president states just magically happens. If thats the case they wouldnt of had to VOTE to send us there originally.
I dont support Senator Obama and I dont support Senator Mccain. However is it to much to ask for people to just like think? Use logic? The reason Senator Mccain does not state a timetable is because he is correct all the way across the board. The mission is not complete for us. No one is going to just yank us out because Senator Obama said so.
If its not Iraq, it will be Afghanistan. It may come as a suprise to alot of people but actually that our job. Some may not like it and some may not understand it, but the thing is, its a voluntary service. One in which, speaking for myself, I love. So people should be real hesitant when they start that whole if Senator Mccain is president he will initate the draft.
Dont worry about that, we got it. Because after viewing the supporters of Senator Obama and the paid bloggers and shills, the thought of them being “drafted” and serving with me is enough to make me reenlist for 100 years just so they wouldnt get the chance to exhibit all the crap I have seen daily.
if thats you Patsy I have missed you and whomever you are, thank you for your service!!
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!
Hey!
Yep, it is me! I have been lurking mostly lately but this post was one I just could not pass by.
Sad really…why everyone in the media is focusing on the “Obama Remix” on his positions, crazy for one thing since the small amount of times he actually discussed them, it takes the focus of the current administration and what there doing.
I wish I could create a detox for the obamaide because by the time anyone realizes whats going on around them because of the losers in the Democratic party, the Republicans are being handed everything they want on a silver plater.
Why? Hmmm, well because all they have to quote is how weak our selected nominee is and they all raise there hands saying “yea” because they dont want to appear weak. They are going to get everything they want passed based on the fact as soon as BO doesnt vote for anythind dealing with national security, 527s will be made on that alone.
That is the bigger picture. The reality. So how mad do you think you can get between now and november as an Obama supporter when he begins going with everything the Repugs put on the table.
Just waite..you havent seen shit yet. They knew this was suppose to be a hands down Dem year but because of your, not mine, Democratic Party, they have been handed a fucking blank check with Fisa and god knows what else which we will see before the Dem convention.
And I was so looking forward to seeing a Democrat - Hillary in the White House. But maybe something miraculous will happen…Thanks Patty, for your willingness to serve.
You’re absolutely right.
And that’s why Bill Clinton referred to Obama’s plans for Iraq as a “fairytale.”
It’s a stone nightmare that the DNC conspired to cast aside Hillary & steal the nomination for this jerk.
Patsy
Hello
Thank you for your service
Many will be praying for your safety.
Happy 4th of July.
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Why thank you!
Thanks Patsy for all you do. Please pass on our thanks on to your fellow service men and women.
Thank you for your views and service,soldier4hillarythenextcommanderinchief
Sell your simplistic “100 years” talking point on an Obot site where they’ll buy it. Everyone knows McCain didn’t meant that literally.
Let’s see, the grandson and son of Admirals and a graduate of Annapolis who survived imprisonment in Hanoi for 5 years; plus he has 20 years experience on the Armed Services Committee and extensive travel around the world…
VS.
Obambi.
Middle America: who do you trust with our national security?
Yep - He’s said the same exact thing from the start. The MSM is too lazy to have paid attention and you folks and McCain want to misrepresent things, but actually, Obama has ALWAYS said this.
His 20 pro-war votes while in the US Senate said the same exact thing. So did his interviews while defending those votes, but you couldn’t tell the Obamabots any such thing.
Everyone here knows his anti-war bs was false political ground….and you think you are sharing news here!? LOL
He is still anti-war. His position is that the war was a mistake and we need to get out - but carefully. All of that is consistent.
Yes he will check with Nunn and Immelt of GE and the Crown family who runs General Dynamics and THEN he will decide what to do, with his advisers Brezinski and OMalley right? and Powers who told BBC of course that is just campaign talk the withdrawal timeline, and this matches his Goolsbee NAFTA doublespeak
you have been played
ONLY HILLARY committed to pulling out right away and said regardless of conditions on the ground b.c she believes it is our presence causing the problems, only Hillary said that
remember that as he keeps moving Right, hard right, hang on the job is swinging back this way as he goes way way right..
tack a new course for profits….
he is flip flopping on welfare reform now too..he is all over the place on every issue, core Dem issues..
all I have to say OBOTS is:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_hnylJ2scVU
Interesting isn’t it that the Iraq conflict is looking somewhat better and Barry looks scared? Maybe he should have had a few committee meetings for Afghanistan now that more people are dying there than in Iraq? Is he just trying to kick sand in our eyes?
WoW. I knew someone would see it! They had a article on yahoo news where bush stated we would be moving up our numbers. But gee, no one cares…they would rather keep digging out articles on flip flops of Obama and watch the train wreck that is the Democratic party than realize something huge..fighting two wars at one time. And its right there but no one wants to see it.
The media is reporting it but they are focusing on the BO remixes on his issues. god just for once I wish people would just quit taking this shit at face value, stop thinking a historical election candidate is better than one with experience.
Senator Obama is quoting time tables when we are about to move up numbers by taking away from one location to another. The Repugs are ruthless and when they start bringing out the big guns and turning the clean sweeper on, its all over.
You cannot quote a timetable. I may dislike Senator Obama to the point of nausea, but his advisors in his campaign are straight screwing him over. He should of never did that press conference to clarify when he has not even met one general or official on ground. That is a mistake that surpasses our current president.
The Democratic parties strong point is not national security. They had opportunities they did not utilize and Iraq has never been a strong point for them. He is up shit creek without a paddle, and the magnitude of this is enormous.
He threw what would of been his best bet under the bus on advising him on Iraq. If I didnt no better, I would swear this is a set up. Because if clark was “behind” him, there is no way Senator Obama would be this fucked up when it comes to Iraq.
Brilliant comment as always, Patsy. Thank you for your service.
Thank you Patsy. Very informative.
No, that was HILLARY’S position. Another one that he stole.
anti-war?
Obama,”I don’t oppose all wars”.
I do not believe anything Believe says….
Everyone is anti-war stupid.
I’m looking forward to talking to an Obamabot I know who thinks beyond hope that Obama will get us out of Iraq like he promised.
I hate to break the news to her.
McCain also hates war and will use American power wisely to protect the worlds vital interests and our own.
Think things are bad now.
How about if we don’t control events in the middle east.
We would be brought to our knees.
Obama also said that he would bring back the troops immediately after he’s elected. McCain and Hillary said, it depends on what’s going on.
No he hasn’t! I went into this election thinking we had some great democrat candidates, then I watched one of BHO’s early interviews where he said he would start pulling troops out quote ON DAY ONE end quote and I realized this guy was an idiot and never looked at him as a real candidate from that day forward.
I remember that too, He said from day one and then said the rest out within 90 days.
believe is lying, as noted below.
I believe that believe is a paid poster… come on… where do you find the time to post so much BS and still make a living?
Let’s just speak the truth here. None of you really no what Obama would do if he became president. Most likely he would not pull the troops out right away because we all no that’s not pragmatic. He would tell us some BS and you Obambecile’s will swoon and fall all over him for making such an enlightened decision.
Gee. I should have proof read my post. It should be know not no
I heard Obama saying troops would be out by 2009. How is that 16 months?
UKforDems, and his brownshirt ilk, do not want you to look at Obama’s words about withdrawal prior to November 7 because originally, he did not qualify his statement with the “on the ground” proviso. His stated position was to have the troops out, except for a remedial force, by March 31. 2008.
In time, Obama’s webscrubbers will eliminate these nasty facts, so nothing in the record can contradict their historical revisionism.
Getting dizzy yet from the spinning there sweetie? I’d ask you which “position” you think is in peril next, but I think he’s changed all of them …. Now he’s just creating new ones not even expected. Like the faith based initiatives?
Crash…oh sorry…I just fell off the turnip truck again!
Oh, come on!!!
Markos is abandoning Obama…and I posted the comedy for all to see but the link killed the comment!!
Go to Canonfire to see a hilarious parsing of Markos and his denunciation of the ObaMessiah…savor it….who thought we’d be at this point before November or January???
OMG!!! Go look at them all….they are eating their own at Americablog! lolololol
Heads are imploding.
The Obamabots realize the koolaid is poisoned!
Don’t drink the brown koolaid!
post this for our OBOT friends
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_hnylJ2scVU
Mars Attack?
Where is Canonfire?
I love that CNN is calling this a “do-over press conference by Obama.”
How many tries does he get?
gee ya think Ahimidinejad will give him a do over?
good gawd..
You folks love to make stuff up. Kos’s most recent post is about how Obama is winning in Montana. Yeah, he said he was unhappy about FISA, but in no shape or form is he abandoning Obama.
From Kos:
That’s two days old and in the very same post, Kos says:
I want him to win big
and if wishes were horses then beggars would ride, but they aren’t and they don’t and he won’t..
PUMA
In the immortal words Of Mr Johnson;
Fuck Kos.
McCain cracks me up…Obama has now adopted the McCain strategy!!!!
I don’t think it’s SAFE to pass the popcorn until we quit laughing, to prevent the possibility of choking to death…!!
Since Obama stole all of Hillary’s positions, McCain should have expected it and probably did.
Is obama’s theme song “blowing in the wind” or “changes”?
Does he even have a steady position on anything?
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What about “Changealot?” I remember Robert Goulet singing it, don’t you?
LMAO watch the video from 1:02.
Obama is TOTALLY THE DEM VERSION OF GEORGE W BUSH!
bella — yes Obama is the third term of GW Bush. Before you cop out on everything you told the American people you need to be President first. Obama expects us all to understand that there is a reason he has no morals and he states it in such a high moral tone. I am so sick of this amateur. McCain 08 — for sanity’s sake.
We need to start an Obamaism list.
That scratching of the head and “umm….err… uhh…. umm” is classic! Obama can’t function without his
teleprompters.
HA HA HA. It’s uncanny. I felt like I was watching the most recent White House press corps dinner.
The question just keeps coming back to me: If the democrat is going to act like the republican, then why don’t we just vote for the republican? John McCain is not lying to us — we can see his positions pretty clearly, whether we agree with them or not.
Both of these candidates are seriously flawed, and now, no matter which way the election goes, all the Hillary people will be able to rightfully say, “I told you so.” Hillary Clinton was the only one consistently on the correct side of the issues, and honest about being fooled by George Bush.
I’ll vote for the guy who isn’t lying to us.
It is really quite satisfying to go over to HuffyDope and read all the disenchanted postings! Couldn’t they see the writing on the wall? Their Little Bambi is not up to the task of being POTUS. He hasn’t got the vision, foresight or command to be in charge of this nation. His inexperience and lack of knowledge is beginning to shake up his kool-aid followers. Heaven forbid if they should have to wake up and smell the coffee.
I’ve never voted for a candidate who I agreed with on everything. And Obama supporters are mature and sophisticated enough to understand that. We also know how dangerous the Republicans are.
mature??? HAHAHAHA
You folks always have such insightful responses.
Yes we do. That must be why you’re always here, trying to dominate the threads.
You folks always have such insightful responses.
wahahahahahahahahahahah ROFLMAO
the answer fits the question….
FOLKS FOLKS FOLKS FOLKS.
But… but… Evil Bambi is flexible, and his positions are nuanced. He’s just a politician!
I never voted for a candidate I agreed with then disagreed with then agreed with then disagreed with …. I still won’t. That’s why I won’t be voting for Obama.
The mendacity of hope and change.
“And Obama supporters are mature and sophisticated enough to understand that.”
Frankly, you guys aren’t “mature and sophisticated enough.”
You and your ilk let Obama and the Democratic party do your thinking for you. Instead of thinking for yourselves.
We also know how dangerous the Republicans are
And your going to vote for an igit, that you DON’T how know how dangerous he is, And “believe” me he is.
I found it interesting [and oh so typical] that Obama had to call a press conference to explain and contextualize a comment he made during a press conference. One of those: this is what I said but this is what I really meant moments. You have to give it to Obama, he’s on a roll with these reversals and his “inartful” comments are becoming an art form.
As astounding as the shift in positions are the ragged explanations from supporters [though I notice even on the Kos blog and the Huffy Post, the wiggle-waggle is losing it's luster and in some cases showing true disillusionment].
Surprised? No. But self-destruct mode is never pleasant to watch.
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Self-destruct not pleasant to watch????? Who ARE you, Mother Teresa???????
OMG….The Obama camp just held an online question and answer series on FISA and even the more rabid Obamafundamentalists on Americablog were calling it a bullshit session full of self-congratulation.
lolololol — WHAT DO you call fun?????????
Democrats love to argue because we believe dissent is patriotic. You’d be foolish to think this costs Obama any votes.
Believe, do you believe that Clinton will pick OB as the VP at the convention? What are your beliefs on this?
Who is OB?
Obama with dyslexia or perhaps a tampon invented by a woman gynecologist. Come on…who is OB! Very funny believe.
Do you think he will accept it if she asks?
OB Wan Can Blow Me.
hahahahahahahahhahahahahahha!!!!!!
Weelll Uhhbama has now begun his transformation from Annakin to Vader, so maybe he has gone form BO to OB ……
He killed younglings! He’s tootally gone over to the dark side. Oops. Was that racist?
Believe. who ever gave you that name ( or you chose it) did an good job of selecting it . Judging from your comments and responses you will “believe” anything
“You’d be foolish to think this costs Obama any votes.”
You’re beyond delusion to even think that this doesn’t cost Obama any votes.
Maybe Obama should go to the canned questions like GWB did when he held a press conference. That way when he goofs up the answer, his aides can pass out WORM answer sheets to the media. It’ll save him having to look stupid multiple times on one question.
what is being said on the Obama blogs, I don’t think I can stomach going over there
They are eating their own! It doesn’t get any better than this.
If the media runs with Obama’s base abandoning him, Obama flip-flopping on everything….and PUMA STANDING STRONG??????
Say hello to Hillary at the convention!!! Come ON…kick in. The house of cards must come down.
zee your comment made my day. Thank you so much. Reality is not a friend of Obama’s. However, the more the economy collapses the more people realize they need a President who knows what to do on Day 1. Didn’t Hillary say that all along?
This is front-paged at Kos right now. It sure doesn’t sound like a lot of anger at Obama.
Zee, you’re cracking me up! I think I’ve been a Republican all my life, I’m having so much fun watching this. No snark. I don’t feel even a teensy bit bad about this.
I saw Obama speak in February and he said the very same thing.
And there really isn’t a big uproar about this in the left blogosphere — You are really out of date — all that has settled down.