Just Say Anything: Obama’s talking points
By medusa on July 3, 2008 at 2:25 PM in Christianity, JustSayNoDeal.Com, Media, Middle America, MoveOn.org, Ohio, Older voters, Transparency, WORMs, White Working Class
One of the lead stories listed on my Google homepage today was about Obama’s current tour of Middle America, and as the title of the article by Leonard Doyle makes clear, these folks aren’t sure who Obama is:
Obama courts Middle America in attempt to counter ‘antiChrist’ image
If Obama thinks he has problems with us Just Say No Deal Pumas, he’s got much bigger problems with the very same Americans that he put down during the primaries, you know, those bitter, gun toting, bible clinging folks:
The Obama team’s strategy of picking up conservative, evangelical Christian voters has run into unexpectedly strong headwinds. This is especially true among the poor, white and working-class voters of Scots-Irish descent who live in the Appalachian mountain region that stretches across parts of seven states.
Barack Obama may wonder why many people aren’t falling in line behind him, but the truth is, he faces major public relation problems. Many people just don’t trust him to tell the truth about himself. Obama remains a mystery to millions of ordinary Americans. Who is he? What does he believe in? Is he a Christian? And if so, after 20 years in the church run by Jeremiah Wright, what kind of Christian is he? Doyle writes:
Along with Internet claims that he is a Muslim, some evangelical Christians have put it about that Obama may be the Antichrist. Glenda Kinzer, 41, from rural Ohio, believes the end of the world is about to occur. “A lot of people are talking about how Obama fits the description” of the Antichrist. “I always thought he will be from the Middle East.”
Obama is now advertising his Christianity by pushing Bush’s faith-based initiatives. Not long ago, liberal Democrats worried about Bush using religion, and now, Obama, the shape-shifter extraordinaire is hawking the same old wares (this is a new kind of politician?). Not only are these programs designed to replace social programs (and social programs have long been the mission of the Democratic party), even more troubling is that Obama’s plan “blurs the nation’s constitutional separation of church and state”:
Earlier in the week, he unexpectedly took a page from George W. Bush’s political playbook by embracing his controversial “faith-based initiatives.” He told voters in the evangelical heartland of Ohio that as president he would fund religious groups dealing with America’s social problems provided they did not discriminate in who they offer help.
He praises Ronald Reagan and copies George Bush. Yet Obama remains an unknown. Many of us will never vote for him because he is inexperienced, unproven and displays poor judgement. And Obama’s talking points consist of whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear. What are Obama’s positions? As they say about the weather, wait five minutes and they’ll change. Just last week Obama appeared to throw MoveOn under the bus. MoveOn is one of his major contributors, but for the sake of appearances, they went quietly under the bus. Obama’s followers embrace his political position of never allowing values to come in the way of winning:
In the run-up to the July 4th national holiday, Obama has been on a “values” tour of middle America as he seeks to counter Republican attempts to label him as too liberal.
That’s the thing: Obama will say and do anything for the sake of appearances. And the good folks of Middle America are wise to question who he is and to wonder about his motives.
I am beginning to think that Obama is a lame Hollywood remake of Bulworth, but only this time it is for real.
Only an absolute moron would trust this idiot.
WHY IS HE THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE?
THANK YOU GEORGE SOROS.
HELP NEEDED
Please spread the word
PROTEST OBAMA by holding up and shaking your key ring at his rallies.
Recently Obama and his surrogates have been downing McCain’s service to our country in Vietnam.
McCain’s medical records said McCain was afraid of the rattle of keys for years after Vietnam because that sound indicated that the guards were coming to torture him.
Lets make Obama afraid of the sound of the keys and show the world the difference between McCains service to our country and Obama’s lack of service to our country.
PLUS—they can’t id us before we do it—-everyone has keys and the media will love the symbolism.
Agreed. Anti-Obama demonstrations need to occur at these rallies. I am tired of the Obama campaign oraganizing 50,000 zombies while Obama stands on a stage, yells a silly speech, and has the media feel thrills up their leg.
Obama cannot handle any heat or criticism. Look at his last debate when he had to handle questions more difficult than what his favorite ice cream is. Obama and his supporters all cried like little babies. If Obama is hounded at every rally he will unravel. I bet he will lose it and start calling everyone protesting him “racist”.
Brilliant! I wondered what it would be. Obama is so much like John Kerry, and there were the flip flops and purple heart band-aids. I thought the latter was a tad mean, but Kerry testified his fellow soldiers were baby killers then he ran as a hero. But Obama attacking McCain’s service record when McCain spoke out against Kerry’s swiftboating and has run a clean campaign deserves a response.
This sums it up perfectly: “Obama will say and do anything for the sake of appearances.”
“Obama will say and do anything for the sake of appearances.”
Another example of that-yesterday he gave a speech in Colorado Springs, home of at least 3 military installations, plus the Air Force Academy.
One local newspaper described it as walking into the “Lions Den”. If he had been giving a speech to the general public, that would probably be an apt description, but he gave his speech to 450 invited guests.
His speech described his plans to expand public service programs in his administration. Public service is fine, but Chicago or LA or NYC or Washington DC or a college campus would seem a more appropriate venue for those remarks.
I guess when you are a former drug user with no military service and a retinue of anti-social associates and friends, you have to project yourself as interested in the common good in some way especially to people who keep a daily count of dead soldiers in Iraq.
I wonder why people aren’t celebrating the fact that Obama is going to states that have voted Republican for years and years. I think that his time spent in these places are actually helping to build the Democratic party.
You should then also be celebrating the fact that McCain has been going into traditional democratic strongholds and think that his time spent in these places is actually helping build the Republican party.
I would, but I tend not to celebrate much that comes out of the Republican party. Part of running for president includes party-building, and I think Obama is doing well at this so far.
That’s rich! He’s done more to destroy the Democratic party than…well, anyone except maybe Howard Dean.
I look at some of the special elections that have occurred lately, such as a Democrat getting elected for a House seat in Mississippi, with, guess who, Obama campaigning for him. I look at the numbers of people who have registered as Democrats during the primary campaign and I have to believe that this is a good thing. I also believe that the vast majority of people who were disappointed that Senator Clinton did not win will end up voting for Obama. A few more seats in the Senate and we’ll be filibuster-proof. Thanks to Obama, it just might happen.
“A few more seats in the Senate and we’ll be filibuster-proof”
With 14% approval of the Pelosi-Reid led Congress, your statement will convince a lot of people to vote for McCain.
Filibuster proof and absent a moral compass. There’s the best reason to vote for McCain I have seen all day. Thanks for the timely reminder.
Please– the dems elected in the special elections being flaunted as proof Obama has the wind beneath his wings to turn Congress blue can best be described as CENTER to the RIGHT with a (D) after their names. Thats fine by me. Thats where I am. That is where the majority of Americans are– Moderates win.
I recall that this “winner” was aided by the fact that his opponent was just a tad extreme.
What good is it to have the Democrats win when their leader is a guy who won’t take a stand on anything? I think he’ll be a weak general election candidate. Unless he’s got some other abilities that he so far, has not shown, I think he’s going to be in a tough struggle.
If elected I expect he’ll be a weak leader. There’s nothing in his record to suggest he has any leadership ability.
Obama’s Democratic party is a house of cards, ready to be toppled by even the slightest breeze.
And you’re not going to be filibuster-proof just because the party has enough Senate seats to vote for cloture. You need to get everybody on board, which is a much tougher thing to do.
The best thing that could happen to the Democratic Party this time around is for McCain to win.
“I also believe that the vast majority of people who were disappointed that Senator Clinton did not win will end up voting for Obama.”
And I believe in the tooth fairy.
You said Obama going to traditionally republican areas to campaign will broaden the Democratic Party, but disagree that McCain going into traditionally democrat areas will not broaden the Republican party……okie dokie
Like I said many times here and else:
Obamaites are deluded, delusional and objectionable.
There’s just no point in enlightening these folks. Where there’s a will there’s a way - but apparently not for the Obamaites.
Obama is not campaigning for a party or a movement. He is campaigning for himself. And his posse have taken over the DNC, moved it to Chicago.
You can bet when the private funding turns out to be less than expected, the Obama folks will take every damn dollar dedicated to other races and give it to themselves. Hell, they’ll will do it even if the private fundraising goes well.
YUPPERS!!!!!
That’s funny, especially when people claimed that by his campaign giving money to help other down-ticket campaigns was “buying their vote.” I wonder which it is: that he helps them a little too much or that he doesn’t help them at all.
No, he dangled the carrot of giving them $$, then used the stick of threatening to put up a challenger (Obama supporter) if they were bold enough not to clamor into line immediately. And just like everyone else, they’re now finding themselves under that good ‘ol bus…
The fact that the Obamabots are running candidates against incumbents because they didn’t “hop to” quick enough tells me all I want to know about Obama. I thought I had read somewhere that Rangel told Hillary if she would stop her campaign that the politicians who had supported her would not be penalized.
No, he basically told her that if she didn’t cave he couldn’t stop Obama from setting up challenges to her supporters. So she backed off so the down line Dems in NY wouldn’t have to suffer for supporting her. Problem is, he’s still putting up challengers because they waited too long before they hopped on the Hopium Express.
There’s no way to win with this guy if you ever even uttered the word Hillary without horking.
Thats not true, by giving money to down ticket democrats Obama forces down ticket rebubs to have to spend more money on their own campaigns, thus less for them to in turn help McCain. So McCain has to spend more of his own resources on states that repubs usually easily win.
Just like everything else about Barry, it ‘is’ whatever is helpful to him at the moment. When he was flush with cash, giving down ticket was in his interest. If money dries up, or if he decides it’s in his interest to choke the party or the person to get his own way, then he’ll do that.
Pretty simple analysis, given his record.
Everyone knows that when you centralize power (which is what the BO camp did when they moved the DNC to Chicago), that opens the door for all kinds of back room deals.
Also, by the Chicago Way Gang controlling the DNC money, they also decide which candidate they give the money to. See how “centralizing” the DNC has put total control into the BO camp?
The word is that Hillary was threatened with her Senate seat (no money from the DNC to help her campaign), if she didn’t throw her support behind BO.
Thus, another reason we need to retire her campaign debt!
Let’s dedicate Independence Day to paying off Hillary’s debt!
If you think that the future of the Democratic party is to throw over the traditional base of Democratic voters and pander to the evangelicals, and promise a broader participation of faith based initiatives … then you and I have a real difference about what is Democratic and what is Republican ….
I think that it’s about welcoming Evangelicals into the Democratic fold. Many are former Religious Right members who have become disenchanted with much of what the Republican party stands for. It’s about expanding the party, not neglecting the base.
As far as the faith-based initiatives, I’ve been wondering just how many community organizations are out there that aren’t faith-based. Social justice is part of the Christian’s faith (or it should be, in my opinion), and it is a hallmark of the Democratic party. There’s room under the Democratic umbrella for those of an evangelical faith and those who are not.
Under the Democratic Umbrella…fine, but giving our tax dollars to them…nope. Barky just wants to make sure his pals at Trinity Church get a cut of the taxpayers pie.
They’re not giving tax dollars to churches so that they can get richer or so that they can win more souls for Christ, but to do those things that they’re honestly good at. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a non-religious soup kitchen. Many of the best programs that help the poorest of Americans happen to be religiously based.
And I don’t think that you’re going to see Trinity get rich off of a faith-based initiative. My guess is that they’re not even going to apply for a grant, because of the politics involved.
You mean, ministers with 10 million dollar houses? or did you mean something else I’m missing?
You need to get out more. There are plenty of non faith soup kitchens — most of them run by liberal restaurant owners who donate their kitches, staff and dollars and defy local ordaninces. I am familiar with one in Dallas that is so well done that it could be a model for every other city. And they don’t ask you to offer up your soul. Just your hunger.
Excuse me — there is more then one religion besides Christianity that is concerned with “social justice.” Your attitude that somehow the Christian religion is the one the US government should look to re: its “social justice” policy is exactly the reason there should be NO MIXING OF RELIGION & POLITICS. Our founding fathers knew that, why don’t you?
Social justice is part of the Christian’s faith (or it should be, in my opinion)
See. There’s the thing. Mankind has walked this sweet earth and dragged interpretations of faith behind him since the beginning of how we mark time (BC or BCE). It is so ravaged by “opinion” that we kill each other for things like hair cuts and beards. I personally don’t think that the government has ANY BUSINESS WHATSOEVER in using tax dollars to further faith based initiatives unless it provides the opportunity to those of us who want to pull our money out to be heard. I am not anti-faith. I believe that people of faith should do their own fund raising and not stand with their hands out at the door to the White House. ESPECIALLY at the door to the White House. But, hey — that’s just me.
I agree, charity is just that charity. Churches have fundraisers and donations and receive tax emempt status from the government. They are not an arm of the government. Keep church and state separtate.
I totally agree. There are ALOT of churches abusing their tax free privileges-Trinity Church. There are also alot of churches allowing leaders to pilfer from the offering plate and live lavishly while many of their congregation barely gets by. It needs to remain separate and no government help whatsoever.
Why doesn’t Senator Obama make any attempts to engage the Clinton supporters and pander to them for a bit?
“we’ll get over it.”
“we have no where else to go.”
“we’re bitter, gun toters.”
“we’re having hot flashes that will pass before November.”
“we just need to get laid.”
Pick one.
It’s mostly about hinting to leaders he will fund the “charities” they set up.
And what faith based charity do you think is on the top of his list??? Ding-ding-ding we have a winner = Trinity United Church of Christ!
After all, they need to rebuild their kitty after building the Rev. Wright his 1.6 million dollar home!
It’s about getting votes, nothing more and nothing less. Once Obama has what he needs from them, he will cast them aside for the next group he thinks he can woo.
Uhhh…Colorado has been a battleground state for twenty years. Clinton carried it twice. Gore and Kerry campaigned there. It has a Democratic Senator and Governor.
Maybe that explains why “no one is celebrating the fact that Obama ig going to states that have voted Republican for years for years” is because it isn’t so.
Sometimes even Obama has to actually do something different before he’s praised for doing something different.
He does something different every time he opens his mouth. Now that’s change you can believe in!
It would be great if Obama actually gave a shit about these rural Americans. He made his comments at a closed door fundraiser to a bunch of San Fran lefties with fat wallets. He never spoke to these “bitter” Americans about their hardships, and he has no plans for helping them. He never helped his own community in Chicago. But Obama’s comments in April were a callous dismissal or an uninformed assessment of Americans’ real concerns. Once again the Democrats are the party of domestic looting instead of fighting for the middle class.
And they know it. He told them they’re stoopid. Now they’re going to show HIM who’s stoooopid! So thar!
Obama and the DNC seem to think that there are no media outlets in rural America. We actually have newspapers, televisions, and radios. Some of us even have computers. And most of us know a bullshit artist when we see one. So, Obama can use the Hopey, Changey crap all he wants, but what we are looking for is substance–something he is sorely lacking.
Colorado, I think, has been identified as a swing state that the Democrats are counting on winning in November. Obama won the Democratic caucus, but I think if there had been an election Hillary would have won by the same margins she won Oklahoma and Arizona.
I have 12 family members who would have voted for Hillary; they will now all vote for McCain or not vote for President at all.
We’re rural so I guess that would explain that voting pattern to Obama’s people. Of course, there are a lot of other factors not accounted for by them…like basic common sense.
Obama has his work cut out for him in Colorado, Boulder and Aspen notwithstanding.
Nobody needs to be celebrating Obama for anything. That is one of the points of this site and a hundred others.
Obama is ruining the Democratic party. If he gets elected then the Democrats as well as the US will be paying the price for decades.
Build the Democratic Party? Someone needs to tell the liberals/progressives/leftwingers–whatever you want to call them–at Huff & Puff and Kos that they have been thrown under the bus, just like grandma, Rev. Wright, et al. Barry is now “finessing” his position on Iraq, moving to the middle on yet another issue. THE issue that propelled his candidacy, and gave him the so-called moral high ground over Hillary.
He’s already stolen the Democratic nomination, so he doesn’t need his lefty true-believers anymore–he’s knows they will vote for him come hell or high water. So he is selling them out to court “middle America.”
With Barry, it’s win at all costs. He has NO integrity. He couldn’t “lead” his way out of a paper bag. He isn’t building the Democratic Party, and he’ll be a disaster as POTUS.
Evil is as evil does.
George Bush is evil.
Obama is doing what George Bush did, only to further extremes.
Got it?
I agree w that.
I consider myself middle America from Scots Irish descent, I live in the midwest and I certainly will not buy what Obama is selling.
His credibility is broken into a million pieces, and the idiots at the DNC still support this guy.
Never Obama - everyone thinks McCain has no strategy and he is making a mistake not attacking Obama - I disagree - I think it is a great strategy - just let Obama do it to himself - no one could do it better.
No strategy? I am not so sure about that!
He’s the James Frey of Democratic politics with a fictional “biography” to boot.
But when is Oprah going to “call him out” on it like she did Frey?….lol
wrong color…she can’t call out a “brotha”…
Obama has flipped flopped so many times, I’m beginning to think he is a republican plant out to divide or destroy the democratic party (which has happened) and ..well it’s all so Rovian and bizarre..at any rate he’s two-faced and phony.
What worries me is that the corportions will think they can control Obama better than they can McCain.
Corporations–my internal spell check is malfunctioning.
Some Republicans think Obama is a gift since their party has fallen out of grace, it will take an Obama to screw things up royally so they can rebound. But at what price? If Obama is as inept as some people think then we could see mushroom clouds over the US.
Obama is more like “Just Say Nothing.” Just make sure you sound great while you proceed to say- Nothing.
I’m having a ball listening to Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz and NorMAN GoldMAN go on and on about McCain’s credit card bills and tax delinquency- you know, all those “non-issues” they wish people would stop talking about so we can focus on matters of importance to the voters.
You first, idiots.
I doubt his appeal to evangelicals could remotely work. Tony Perkins and James Dobson do not like Obama, and so goes them, so goes the evangelical vote.
But I’m sure the DNC is very impressed with Obama’s many claims and promises.
As a minister, it is interesting to note that much of what Obama is doing actually is working. Jim Wallis offered up a great defense of Obama. My guess is that a higher percentage of evangelicals will vote for a Democrat this year than any time since Jimmy Carter, I believe.
Suuuuuure. Think of all the Rev. Wright commercials lined up in the que over at GOP headquarters. Not a chance in hell.
I’ve looked at the polls, McCain is gaining evangelical support. Also, Jimmy Carter was a Governor of a Southern State, like Bill Clinton. You can’t compare Barak Obama to either of them.
Black liberation theology for everyone, what rock did you crawl out from under?
Well well well. We have an ordained minister here at NQ the week Obama announces his FBI program.
I can’t wait until the evangelicals try to pin Obama down about his pro-choice position. That still is his position, isn’t it?
They already have a commercial where they show a clip from Barry speaking on Father’s Day about fathers taking more responsibility. Barry says in the clip something to the effect of, Fatherhood starts at conception….then cut to a pastor holding a baby saying if thats true, why do you believe in abortion? I think I saw this on Sugar and Spice’s blog.
Wow, and this is the one point they keep hammering at us Hillary/PUMA supporters about: Roe, Roe, Roe, if you don’t vote The One, you’ll lose all rights to your uterus! I’m just waiting for him to come out pro-life. Then everyone and everything will be under the bus…how will the Obamazoids defend The One then?
Don’t forget BAIPA. Infanticide.
aol is running a poll about whether obama would do or say anthing to advance his electability and 72 % agreed that he would….. personally, i think it should be higher than that. however, that means that almost 3/4 of people think obama is ruthless. no shit !
I want the list of the 28% who does not. I could sell them the fountain of youth.
Barack Obama sat on a wall.
Barack Obama had a great fall.
All the king’s horses and all the king’s men
Couldn’t put Barack together again.
I read the headline of an article on Yahoo news:
Obama: “patriotism means faith in one another as Americans”
What a load of sh*t! I guess he didn’t have faith when those two muslim women were removed from cameras view at his rally. Since we’re on the topic of patriotism barry, why is it that you hate our flag and only wear the pin on your lapel when votes are involved? Why is it that you stood there like a friggin’ idiot with your hands in front of you while others on that stage had their hands across their hearts during our national anthem? Spare us the speech.
no shit-I second that.
Too funny.
Can’t you just picture MEchelle beating the crap out of Barry every night? I mean, she is built like a linebacker so I bet she could give him a Friday night smackdown. All this crap he peddles go so against her belief that America is a mean country and how she was never proud of this country until her stickman became the
frontrunnerpuppet for the DNC.I bet she hears his buzzwords and cringes he is pandering to why’d he.
LMAO…
I like humor too, and I don’t care for Michelle, esp. after she said what she did about Hillary. But I don’t want to start demeaning her appearance in the name of fun.
Scoop mouth.
Just another way of Obama obfuscating the fact that he has no experience, no work ethic, no spine, and no credibility.
Before, we were racists for not liking him.
Now, if we don’t have faith in him, we aren’t patriotic.
I read the Parade articles too. BO’s MO is very clear to me. He banters around his biography every chance he gets!
Are you talking about his real one?
This is a terrible joke on America. The DNC does not care in the least about this country, win or lose the GE, they only want to enrich their own pockets.
In the end they will only lose on both counts.
PLEASE-even trying to win these groups over is an insult to them. Does he think because of where they live, their income, and/or no college degree makes them stupid?? Of course not! Most of them have more common sense then these know it all college punks. And Christians, he has no idea how die hard they are about their faith. If they think someone’s faith is even slightly not real and sincere-can we all say Rev. Wright-they won’t give him the time of day. The news may say they are. They may put out some polls to say Obama is winning them over but it will all be lies. First of all his middle name alone would turn them off seeing as how much they can’t stand the Middle East. Then there is Rev. Wright who likes to say all his crazy shit in a house of God no less. He’s associated with a domestic terrorist. Give me a break. Anyone who tries to say different is full of it.
It’s not an insult to evangelicals. They may disagree with him, but many of them respect the fact that the Democrats are the ones this year who are speaking the language of faith. McCain just doesn’t excite many of them at all. I think you’re going to be surprised come Election Day.
If that’s the case, the unfortunately there are a lot of gullible evangelicals. I happen to be one and I am not tricked by this idiot at all.
You happen to be a gullible evangelical? Ha.
In all seriousness, I don’t want to minimize anyone’s choice on who they vote for. It’s their choice, and I believe people do it giving it thought. I hold the American electorate in a high regard, I guess.
How magnanimous of you. How does AJSHOPE’s ass taste?
Not to mention that I’m a 25 year old college graduate with a degree in computer science and a professional video engineer. You may have seen my company’s work, we did the Super Bowl, World Series, and we’re doing the Baseball All-Star Game.
So let’s see, I’m young, educated, a professional and I’m not following Barack Hussein Obama. He better hope that I’m the only one of my kind.
Unfortunately for him though, I know for a fact that I’m not the only one of my kind. My wife is a 21 year old college grad with a degree in graphic design and she works for a newspaper. Then there are my friends who are also college grads and are professionals. The only thing that’s even worse for Obama is that we live in swing states. Hahahaha, Obama is going down hard.
It’s almost like Obama believes if he says something, people will automatically believe he is telling the truth. I choose to think just the opposite–that he’s lying.