Whither the Teachers’ Unions? The Obama/Ayers Link
By Steve Diamond on July 5, 2008 at 6:45 PM in AFT, Annenberg Chicago Challenge, Barbara Jordan, Bill Ayers, Chicago politics, Education, Education Debt, Linda Darling-Hammond, Mike Klonsky, Unions, Weather Underground, William Ayers
All of a sudden, the American Federation of Teachers seems to have decided it is in their best interest to rise to the defense of Obama and his education advisor Linda Darling-Hammond. In particular, they do not want anyone looking too closely at the long-standing relationship between Bill Ayers and their preferred presidential candidate, Senator Obama.
Well, not really all of a sudden, it’s just a few days after the AFL-CIO decided to throw in the towel and endorse Obama over Clinton now that Clinton has put her campaign on ice. And just a few days before Obama is scheduled to appear before the national conventions of both of the major teachers’ unions. The AFT has recommended its convention meeting next week in Chicago endorse Obama, as has the National Education Association, before which Obama speaks tomorrow, July 5.
When I pointed out at the Edwize Blog sponsored by the United Federation of Teachers, the big New York division of the AFL-CIO affiliated AFT, that Darling-Hammond backs the same key policy proposal (repayment of centuries of “education debt” to people of color) as Bill Ayers, long-time education advocate and co-worker of Obama, and that Ayers and Obama are far from being “casual acquaintances” as Leo Casey of the AFT had contended, Casey replied with the following false claims on the Democratic Left Yahoo group:
1) that I had painted an “unrecognizable caricature” of Darling-Hammond;
2) that I had contended that the $110 million Chicago Annenberg Challenge that Ayers and Obama ran together for five years was a “political front” for Ayers and his politics;
3) that Obama had only a “quite superficial grasp of what [was] going on” at the Annenberg Challenge the board of which he chaired and was not “involve[d] in the nitty-gritty” of the five year long project and that he was only “lending..his name and his ability to make a couple of telephone calls to get things done.”
4) that I contended there was “some sort of sinister hidden connection between Obama and Ayers”
None of this is true and Casey provides no documentation at all for any of his specious contentions. I wrote the following reply to both Democratic Left and Edwize, but so far neither site has “approved” my posts (pretty remarkable for Democratic Left, a site that considers itself an opponent of authoritarianism in modern political life) so I am putting up a copy here:
Well, at least Leo now seems to be admitting that Ayers and Obama were more than “casual acquaintances” as he asserted on Democratic Left and on Edwize.
So now on to the second line of defense.
Frankly, I am not sure what that is because I only assert two things: Obama and Ayers have a longstanding political relationship - which is clear from the public record; and two, Ayers and Darling-Hammond are now advocating a race-based solution to education - the repayment of centuries of “education debt” to people of color or, in other words, reparations. Nothing you have said contradicts this.
I did not paint a portrait of Darling-Hammond or caricature her as you have speciously asserted. I only stated the facts as supported by her public record. She and I have exchanged emails on this issue and this is reported on my blog. She herself has never suggested that I have made any factually incorrect statements about her.
I never suggested the Annenberg Challenge which Obama and Ayers ran together, though not alone, was a political front as you, again without substantiation, contend I did. In fact, Ayers was quite open about his political goals and those goals run right through the lengthy grant proposal, the annual reports of the organization and its board minutes, which I have reviewed (though some board minutes were not provided me).
Some in Chicago shared those goals. Some understood the background of his views and others did not. I view the local schools councils as an attempt to create a new center of power that was aimed at the power of the teachers’ union. They were set up in the wake of an unpopular teachers strike in 1987. Obama and Ayers were active in the lobbying effort for that “radical” reform, as Ayers called it in his proposal to the Annenberg Foundation.
I do not consider such local councils a democratic step forward for school progress, but rather as a potential base of power for those with a different kind of agenda, based on racial politics and “social justice” teaching. A genuine democratic alternative would be built, as Dorothy Shipps has written, in district wide assemblies elected by the public that are transparent and accountable.
I have not imputed any particular agenda to Ayers, Obama or Darling-Hammond, other than to note that Ayers and Darling-Hammond support repayment of the education debt as a top priority. Obama has not stated what his views are on this very clearly though he indicated sympathy for the idea while campaigning in South Carolina.
Given the long and close ties between Ayers and Obama and the professional ties among education debt repayment advocates Ayers, Darling-Hammond and Ladson-Billings, it is reasonable to ask if this kind of race-based approach to educational problems is going to be part of the Obama presidency.
Obama was not as you contend an elected official when he first worked on school reform with Ayers in the late 80s, nor was he even yet a candidate when he became Chairman of the board of the Annenberg Challenge in 1995. He was a relative unknown and quite a junior person at that point, just two years out of law school when Ayers submitted the grant proposal, with only a voter registration drive to his credit since leaving Harvard.
Thus, I think it is a fair question to ask why Obama would have been chosen to head up such a prestigious effort as the $110 million Annenberg Challenge. I think Ayers backed him because he knew he could rely on Obama to support Ayers’ agenda of propping up the troubling and troubled local schools councils.
And, in fact, the record of the Challenge - its annual reports, mid term reports and board minutes - indicate that that is precisely what happened. Even when concerns were raised by a business sector representative on the board that the councils represented a potential “political threat” to school principals (and unions??) Obama backed Ayers in pushing money into the school council election process.
Finally, when you suggest that Obama played no significant role in directing the Challenge, are you suggesting that as chairman of the board of a major non profit corporation in the state of Illinois, that Obama had a hands-off attitude? That he was NOT aware that the Challenge was signing off on, for example, a $175,000 grant to Ayers buddy Mike Klonsky, as they did in 1995 for the Small Schools Workshop Klonsky was recruited to head up by Ayers? That suggests to me a problem of fiduciary duty. Quite unlikely for a Harvard Law School graduate - and frankly, more worrying for me about Obama if true.
No, I think Obama knew exactly what he was doing when he voted as a board member to approve the disbursement of millions of dollars in order to intervene in the Chicago school wars. And so did Ayers. They were using each other for advancement of their careers and their shared political perspective on education policy.
The Challenge ended in 2001. It is certainly reasonable for voters to ask seven years later for Obama to explain the relationship and Ayers’ influence on his approach to education policy.
While no one could, or should, impute to Obama any support for the terroristic activity of Ayers, Dohrn and others, there is an important connection between Ayers’ politics then and his approach to education policy today: Ayers and the Weather Underground promoted a politics built around the absurd idea of “white supremacy,” which Ayers calls even today the “monster in the room” at the heart of American life.
This was linked to another idea that was widely held among the maoist elements that took hold in the early 70s in the US: that American workers and their unions were part of a giant labor aristocracy that exploited workers of the south, the so-called Third World. Inside the US, the Weather Underground argued that global form of “unequal exchange” was reproduced in the relationship between white and black workers.
Thus, when an idea like repayment of centuries of accumulated “education debt” is proposed as the top priority of the next federal government as it has been by Darling-Hammond, Ladson-Billings and Bill Ayers, all of whom have links to Obama it is reasonable to ask what Obama’s view are on such a critical issue. The presumptive nominee has yet to explain how it is that his education advisor can promote such an idea and yet he remains silent on it.
I would think the members of America’s teachers’ unions would like to know the answers to such questions as well before they decide how to approach the upcoming elections.
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First comment!! Go PUMA!!!!
OK, if you ignore the past of Ayers (and Democrats are supposed to believe in rehabilitation (hence why the Clintons gave the Weathermen a Presidential pardon), they have succeeded in the most succesful turn around of Chicago schools ever. So if you are a true Democrat, appreciate the chances a decent education gives you WHAT THE FUCK IS THE PROBLEM?
Link please to all the bull you just spread.
speaking of spread, it’s been awhile since someone spread my beef curtains, if ya catch my drift. speaking of drift, that cheezy smell drifting through the room is my yeast encrusted puss. clean it for momma, pleeease, baby?
No, way I’ve got the same problem! I once killed a guy by stuffing his nose in my runny cooch. he died of shock, the doctor said. by the way, you should get that dog. let me tell you, you won’t need a husband anymore, or any guy. once you get hooked on pooch in the cooch, you’ll never go back, trust me ;D
I take it you are from the United Kingdom UKforDems?
I am from the UK..If you don’t mind me saying..mind your language (f-word). We are guests on this American website. And I for one appreciate reading this website.
Really? Do you live in Chicago? You really do not know what the FUCK you are talking about when it comes to the schools here in chicago!
I just love it when some Liberal from God knows where, says shit like this. You have been reading too many of Obama’s press clippings.
Did you know we have one of the highest drop out rates here in Chicago? Did you know we have some of the WORST Gang Infested schools in the country?
Some of the highest teen pregnancy rates,,,not THE highest…but high just the same.
And let us not forget ther POVERTY rate and lack of HOMES for these students!
DONT tell me squat about the miraculous state these schools are in…YOU DONT LIVE HERE!
US schools, like US healthcare are in an awful state. It does not take an American to know that. However what have the Dems done in Chicago? They have pulled many - indeed not all - schools up allowing children to obtain opportunities never thought possible before; including President.
Put down the bong. You have no clue what you are talking about. I’m in Chicago too, like the other poster above. If I had children, I wouldn’t dare send them to Chicago public schools. I have two friends that quit Chi p/s because they couldn’t stand the way the students would even treat the teachers. The stress they say was unbelievable.
Obama doesn’t care, he sends his kids to private schools. What a hypocrite.
glad to know I am not the only one troubled by Obama sending his kids to private schools.
spare me!
Holy Cow you are delusional, you should change your name to UK on crack!!!!
Tampa,
YUKforDems has displayed only one trait with consistency… he is wrong. always.
two traits Zeke, he is always wrong and always an asshole
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha UKIe has a unique perspective on America from his seat in ireland… through bottom of his whiskey glass.
UK for Dems -
Read up on Chicago politics.
It’s the cesspool of America and Obama comes right out of there.
Lying cheating vote stealing thugs, and he’s proud of it. Thinks it’s cool.
How do you like the campaign shirts on campuses during the primaries “Bros B4 Hoes?”
What about voter intimidation in the caucuses and on campuses, does that suit your European taste buds?
And don’t tell us about our schools. We have to send our children to them.
OBAMATRONIC IS THE NEW ADJECTIVE FOR THIS!
Parents raise children not schools.
Parents nurture children not schools.
Unless the parents become responsible nothing will change.
Throwing money after this problem is not a solution.
If you cannot provide for a child and his issues DO NOT HAVE ONE
The culture must change first .
Yes, ditto Sawbuck.
The reforms pushed by Ayers and Obama at Annenberg were a failure as documented thoroughly by the Annenberg Challenge’s own research Arm, the Chicago School Research Consortium. They concluded that there was “no” positive effect from the $110 million spent by Ayers and Obama over six years.
The schools management was re-centralized in the hands of the mayor in the mid 90s and that is the source of any changes that you speak of.
Thank you Steve for your time and effort to inform us.
Yo Steve,
Didn’t they succeed at granting funds for Hamas in Palestine?
No, not the Annenberg Challenge. The Woods Fund apparently made grants to groups interested in the mideast but I do not know much about that.
You are the problem, so dry up and blow away.
http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm
Some of the other pardons look somewhat scary
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy
More details - look at how he let his half brother off, who ten went and broke the law.
Off Topic:
Just went over to Huff Puff, article by Lynn Sweet. Here is a small part of what she mentions:
Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin’s Brandenburg gate; to evoke, Reagan, Kennedy. “Ich bin ein Obama”
WASHINGTON–A German friend passed along the news Saturday that local sources in Berlin are confirming that the Obama campaign was in contact with city authorities to discuss the possibility of presumptive Democratic nominee Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) delivering an outdoor address in front of the Brandenburg gate. The thinking is Obama would follow in the footsteps of two very famous Cold War-era speeches of U.S. presidents speaking in Germany: JFK “Ich bin ein Berliner” and Reagan “tear down this wall.” It would probably be Obama’s only public speech during upcoming visits to Germany, France and England on a swing to include stops in Israel and Jordan. There is still no date for the trip. German news sources are reporting the Obama team is working on a visit during the “second half of this month”.
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Spiegel Online International reports that an Obama visit to Berlin his month “looks likely” with Chancellor Angela Merkel and Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier.
I am unable to give you the link, because I don’t know how too.
My reaction was “What???”
Huff Puff = Huffington Post
Good, the Germans will get it. They love speeches.
especially the ones that end with Heute Deutschland Morgen die ganze Welt
And he will get a huge, cheering crowd. Obama is much admired in Europe, just as Bush is deeply disliked.
That’s because they don’t know him over there yet.
Yes we do and we knew Mrs Bush Lite as well.
No you don’t, we don’t even know him . Geez you lie just like Obama!!!
Why is it you stick your UK nose into our politics when you really don’t seem to know how our political system works? At least my relatives in The Netherlands have a clue about this jackass and pass on kool-aid. As for the remark about “today Germany, tomorrow the world” we really have to make sure he doesn’t make it into the White House this fall, or better yet that he doesn’t get the nomination in Denver.
Nobama- large crowds- European landmarks.
Eeeccck. Sure Barky, excellent idea to counter the notion you are a Manchurian Canidate, the anti-christ, or the reincarnation of Chairman Mao.
Someone pass me the tinfoil, I need to fashion myself a hat.
He’s not running for President of Europe. He first has to get the votes of the American people. He straddles the fence on all foreign relation issues.
The Europeans have actual journalists and multiple news sources.
I’ve lived in Germany. Even the young folk there are not easily fooled. The older folk will not go for any Nuremberg type rallies.
By the way, if he was so concerned about Europe, why couldn’t he hold hearings of his committee?
He’s only now interested in European affairs because he thinks it will get him elected.
Now which candidate will do “whatever it takes” to get elected? Looks like that prize goes to Obama.
You stupid redneck that comment above all else shows why Hillary lost and why McWar will lose as well. The US is currently uabout as popular as the plague. The fact that America looks as though it will break with the past is why Obama is popular in Europe. I do not even need to describe how contemptable the PUMA mob looks.
UKforDems, You’re just as arrogant as Obama, Do you think for one minute we care what you think?
By the way your momma called she wants you to come home and change your pissy sheets, ya twit!
My head is not too clear today. I am ashamed to have used bad words. Obama really stinks.
Wahahahahahhah My father used to say sometime you have to fight fire with fire….hahahaha
I’m glad you and billions of others have an interest in US politics. It’s healthy, seeing as the decisions of this nation have more of an impact than those of any other single nation. Don’t let these people get to you, those of us in the US who are able to think beyond our own petty day to day lives know the world is looking for respect from the US, not more arrogance and bullying, such as is displayed here.
Ignore this guy! He is an idiot.
Who gives a shite what you think of this country. You are a POS and so is your Queenie who rides around in her Land Rover in her crown while people like you are on the dole with your teeth rotting out. DIAF.
The Russians say that a fish rots from the head. I disagree, as it is clear from viewing post like yours that a fish rots from the heart, then the head.
hey..uk nutcase…
to quote you……”I do not even need to describe how contemptable the PUMA mob looks.”
You mean as Contemptable as the protests you all do in London that i have seen for years and years while visiting your homeland????????..or how about all those protestors in France???? You mean that contemptable?????
Please mind your own fucking business..we don’t get into your protests..so stay the fuck out of ours!
You will not vote for our president ..we will..and you will have no effect on how i vote ..in fact you and all the other meddlers only solidify my resolve…
Now go pick up your obama paycheck..and stfu about our politics..we have enough fake Americans doing that now..Like Arianna..and Kos…and Soros…we don’t give a fuck what you say..understand that?????????
Oh and in case you don’t know the History..we had a revolution to get rid of people like you from our national politics..and our constitution says..”we the people”..that means all who are working with and for Puma..and that includes me…AND THAT INCLUDES THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS THAT VOTED IN THE PRIMARIES FOR HILLARY ONLY TO SEE OURSELVES ROBBED ONCE AGAIN BY CROOKS!
Now stfu!
fly
Hahahaha! That was really some knee slapping fun, watching you dig your bitter fringe protest ever further into global isolation. I like how we’ve gone from Hillary’s “Global Neighborhood” to referring to other nations who have an interest in US politics as “meddlers”. That attitude, which is shared with your peers, should win Hillary allot of friends.
UK, I don’t know why we bother even answering you, but stop calling those us who actually have a vote over here names. You are showing how appallingly ignorant you are to support this candidate. Haven’t you read any of the articles and the posts which explain why we don’t want him? Remember “taxation without represenation” and the Revolutionary War? You are a blithering idiot and a nasty piece of work!
Don’t even try to squeeze a drop of rational and open minded contemplation from this mob. These are the bitterest of the bitter, the real dead-enders. You’d have better luck squeezing blood from a stone. They’d rather see the world destroyed by McCrazy in a fiery WWIII apocalypse than vote for the candidate who’s policies are virtually identical to the primary candidate who lost (and even further to the left on foreign policy). They are hollow shells of people, burned away from the inside out by mindless rage, and that is why they will remain isolated and bitter, unable to expand beyond squalid hate forums such as this, into the general population. You’ve seen first hand that this is not exactly a welcoming place. Do you think they are preaching to anyone but their own self pitying choir? No, don’t worry, they are just the latest angry white separatist movement to marginalize itself to the political fringe.
candymarl the vineger and chips igit says your a redneck. Thats funny.
I agree with your points. I swear I thought I saw BO in a window in Amsterdam recently…
Lemme guess.
You took a poll of all two of your Euro friends, and they said they liked him.
LMFAO
Let me guess which candidate can fill stadiums and which candidate gets a total of TWENTY protesters in favour?
New CNN poll out yesterday.
Not even HALF of Hillary voters will vote for Obama in November.
Bwahahahahahaha!!!
Poor Poor UK leming.
He fills the stadiums with a bunch of punk ass kids looking for a rock concert….Pleeease
Sorry I didn’t mean to say that. Why am I here?
What does filling stadiums have to do with the price of eggs in China?
This is the 40th anniversary of the Night of the Living Dead, the zombies have woke up and we need to destroy them before they destroy us.
actually obama isn’t much admired anywhere and that includes the majority of americans. go check the latest cnn polls. he is losing his dang party, dude. they’ll be cheering only in joy that he isn’t running for anything there.
Actually, he’s just losing bitter dead-enders who are on the die-off end of the demographic spectrum, and who are being replaced by new younger voters, as evidenced by the rampant hostility toward anyone under 40, on here. In fact, he’s winning all traditionally democratic demographics, including women, except for, surprise surprise, white people over 65. He’s not losing the democratic party, he’s just changing the dynamic from older to younger.
Europe does not even know who the hell Obama is. We are just finding out about this lunatic here and everything about Obama is negative.
Comment by Obama is a bum | 2008-07-05 21:30:32
Europe does not even know who the hell Obama is. We are just finding out about this lunatic here and everything about Obama is negative
The Obama Enigma is a puzzle..and that is why I am here to find out more about Obama. Just to let you know I am not impressed. Hillary Clinton impressed me. Personally, I thought Hillary Clinton would make an excellent President. I am hoping still there is a window of opportunity for this to happen.
Great website by the way!!
The opportunity for Hillary exists if Obama would fall way behind in the polls vs. McCain causing the Democrats to feel Obama is too flawed to nominate. That has not happened.
This seems to be due to a huge cult base that developed and these people will follow Obama regardless of his shady past, what he does, or what he says. They are willing to fill stadiums like zombies and applaud anything Obama does including blowing his nose into a microphone for them to hear.
Obama’s following reminds me of the Jim Jones cult where people were willing to follow that nut to Guyana, live in a socialist society created by Jones called “Jonestown”, and ultimately kill themselves on Jones’ command.
Maybe he does belong in Germany. They should recognize this stuff by now.
Ahh..i was in Paris last month and he was not wanted there..in fact everywhere i went people kept telling me..get Hillary in..do not go Obama..and i heard that everywhere..even cab drivers..so i do not know where you are getting the bullshit Obama is liked in Europe..more propaganda i guess,…oh and as a Flight crew of a msjor airline for 33 yrs..i flew Paris exclusively for about 26 of those years..i have many friends all over Paris..no one wanted to see us stuck with Obama..not do the French want to be stuck with Obama as our pres..everywhere i went the French i know kept saying..we beg you for Hillary..
So please “believe” poster for Obama.. do not make general statements like quote ” And he will get a huge, cheering crowd. Obama is much admired in Europe”
…when is the last time you were in Europe to take a poll????????
fly
So, there’s this amazing thing on the internets called google, and it actually lets you do things like find real polls, so that the rest of us don’t have to depend on anti-Obama fanatics and their “friends in Paris”, to inform us of foreign public opinion. So I tried it out, and I found this precious nugget:
“In France, historically the European country with the strongest anti-American sentiment, 65 per cent would back Mr Obama.”
Kinda sinks your whole cock charade about exclusive knowledge of what Europe really wants, ey?
read on:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/2049446/Barack-Obama-beats-John-McCain-in-European-vote-US-election-2008.html
The Goose-stepping troll is back. Hello, brownshirt.
Obama has taken the ideas he has from every leader he can find..he is a FRAUD…I hope people soon figure this out…maybe we should help them.PUMA ROAR
Reminds me of the title of a great movie called, “The Mouse That Roared”.
USSR, Good they can have BO”Plenty. PUMA
It is a sham of an election; lets just hope they can’t program the voting machines. This guy is not for me.
With Obama people, rigging this election is a real possibility. Look at the people Obama admires, including Ayers who is featured here. Obama would like to take a page out of Zimbabwe and pull what Mugagbe did.
Yeah, because he’s black, and, and, that guy, Mooga-booga is black, so he must be an election stealerer too! Can’t trust a nigger!
Because he is black you are voting for him, dumbass.
Because she is a white woman, you are voting for her, angel buns.
Funny how only Obamabots use the N-word. Moron.
Funny how hardly anyone here has the intelligence to respond to a comment that has more than two sentences, honey shorts. Guess bitterness rots the brain.
Thanks for the article Steve, All I can say is I hope the Republicans are busy investigating the hell out of Obama. If he wins we are all in trouble.
Speech should be entitled, “Ich bin ein ODummy.”
Bush and Barry Hussein Jr. = No Child Left Behind.
Birds of the same feather: OBAMA AND
Ayers
Dorn
Wright
Fleeger
Daley
Pritzker
Rezko
Axelrod
Dean
Pelosi
ODinga
“Present”……..
Feel free to add on.
NO DEAL! PUMA! HILLARY OR MCCAIN!
BABYMAMA–MICHELLE OBAMA“the angriest woam in america“
Actually, a lot of folks here are really quite angry. Earlier today I mentioned that McCain changed his mind a lot and someone said they wanted to “punch” me in my “c**t.”
Absolutely appalling, wouldn’t you say?
believe, stay within your guidelines.
thats b/c we have a official website for MCCAIN BASHING which used to work on HILLARY BASHING ,
IT IS
DAILYKOS=DAILYHATE
Also ,this website was always pro-dems but as media ,mydd,kos,became pro-obama …we here became pro-hillary ,got a problem –f off??
Now you are nothing but pro KKK. Makes me laugh that good old Larry is now as likely to be consulted on security issues in the future as a result of his new found factionalism as Sadam — and he is no more.
Stop with your muddled rambling.
Do you posses anything more than a 2nd grade education?
You are not talking like anyone but BO.
UKIE is a drunken irishman…living in Ireland. Yesturday on 4 JUL: our independence day , UKIE didn’t know that in our revolution we stood up an army and fought and whooped the British in open combat.
you folks take your 3rd rate history education and apply it to 4rth rate insults of people from cultures you pretend to understand, and who more than likely just tilt their head in wonderment that you think they actually give a shit. Really classy stuff.
Believe you twist the truth!!! There was more to it and you know it. You said something previously that really upset that person. And now you make the remark that a lot of us are angry, you generalize. We don’t like Obama! If you think that is angry…Well so be it.
Yes because I’m sure your tender sensibilities are offended. If you don’t like why are you here? There are many other websites to visit. You’re not changing minds. You’re once again dealing in who said what to whom.
I notice you don’t mention Obama’s recent flip-flops on FISA, Campaign Finance, the death penalty and gun control.
But I’m not surprised.
Easy to defend for THE WINNING Democrat nominee. Let Hillary explain it to you.