My Letter to the Editor re a Democratic Superdelegate’s Threats
By Dr. Kate on July 6, 2008 at 10:00 PM in Barack Obama, Democratic National Convention, Obama's Thugs, Superdelegates
Dear Mr. Moore:
I have recently submitted a letter to the editor concerning a Sacramento-area Democratic superdelegate. I quoted his exact remarks where he threatened voters with a concentration camp stay if they did not vote for Obama.
I was so disturbed by his remarks that I called him, and received an earful of profanities, insults and threats. This is very disturbing to be greeted by this kind of profanity when a simple question was asked of him.
I felt it my duty to report this in his local newspaper, and I have reported him to the Democratic National Committee.
I wanted you to know about this and to feel comfortable in calling me if there is any problem with this letter. I have all the backup documentation you need.
Here is my letter:
Editor:
Recently democratic superdelegate Steven J. Ybarra, of Sacramento, California, threatened voters with a concentration camp stay if they did not vote for Obama.
Here is what this lawyer said when asked by a number of people to consider new information about Obama that may make him unqualified to be the President of the United States:
“Good for you, when the fascists come in the middle of the night to take you to a concentration camp, remember how you voted. Take me off your whiner list.”
[Letter Continued:]
I called this individual to express my concern and received the same, threatening response from him, marked by yelling, threats, and profanities.
Is this the kind of superdelegate the democrats are relying on? Is this the way to get a vote for Obama, threaten voters with a concentration camp stay?
This man does not represent what I know to be the Democratic party. He should be ashamed of himself, sanctioned, and should know better, as a lawyer, to make threats against voters. It is undemocratic and represents conduct unbecoming of a super delegate.
With a threat like this from Mr. Ybarra, you can be sure my vote will not be for Barack Obama.
Thank you for your consideration.
Sadly these are the people that are controlling our party. I want my party back!!!!
the guy was a total ass. I checked his website and work. obama found the worse people, the thugs interested in their power only..
Now Obama is threatening to have 75,000 of his thugs in Denver at a football stadium during the Dem Convention - just to adore him and sing his praises.
How much of a threat do you think this is for any wavering Clinton supporter delegates to know there is a football stadium full of angry, profane and vicious Obama fanatics?
I swear Obama threatened the DNC with a Chicago convention style mess if he was not handed the nomination and the Dems were scared out of their chickenliver minds to think they could again blow an election that should be theirs in a walk.
I am sure that is why the powers that be made their Obama decision so early in the game that no matter what Clinton did, no matter how many important states she later won, no matter what her popular vote or red state advantage, the threat of angry Obamaniacs disrupting the DNC convention was more than they could handle.
Hillary fans, see you all in Denver to show we still care about democracy with a small D and democrats with a big D.
I plan to be there.
If you read this piece written by DONNA BRAZILE I think you might have a better understanding. It’s called “WHY AMERICANS HATE DEMOCRATS” How To Tap Into The Obama Factor. They wanted the religious voters and thought Obama could do that, guess they should of checked Rev. Wright and Father Mike first. http://www.slate.com/id/2109328
DONNA BRAZILE wrote this on NOVEMBER 5, 2004, thats right, NOV 5, 2004
More proof the fix was in long ago.
Based on her family and scouring those numbers she decided that the religious right was the wealth of voters to tap.
It seems that is why she has been so insulting to anyone who doesn’t speak that language in those emails.
She wrote off blue collar workers last election and considered them too racist to vote for Obama anyway, but those southern religious racists…let’s tap that well.
Ugh!!!
Everyone is a racist and that is why she doesn’t care about honoring their vote.
One thing…where was the racism during the 2004 election to require this type of article?
This woman is a menace!
Thanks for the article Hank.
Grt piece Hank
I guess Ms Brazilla needs to be reminded.
Sadly though, they will lose anyway! :}}
Though I certainly agree that Mr. Ybarra’s profanity over the phone is unprofessional, (we should expect no better from these assholes) this specific quote seems misunderstood. If Ybarra said exactly what he said, it seems to me that his conclusion regarding “the fascists” is more along the lines of his expectation that Obama will lose, thus freeing the fascists to come and get US in the middle of the night.
When they fear something, it is usually because it is what they would do if they could, thus causing them to believe that their opponents would do it to them.
It never dawns on them that decent people don’t think that way.
This point is right on the money. Psychologicaly people have a hard time seeing that others’ behavior’s to be anymore upstanding than their own, a defense mechanism.
It is like when you see an overtly jealous lover being constanly suspicous of their partner, the one who is suspicous is the odds on favorite to be the adulterer.
yes, no matter how I interpreted it, he will still have to explain it. So:
–if he’s calling republicans fascists (no argument there),then how is that a ‘new kind of politics’ aka obambi? how is that going to help obamba?
–if he means it as a threat it still is inappropriate.
either way the guy is on record…in a public way.
Of course. If he has good sense, he would have not supported Obama.
This man is taking a page out of Obama’s play book.
Did anyone see Obama’s 12 second ad in Texas during the primary? He talked about rounding up of Muslim’s in the middle of the night, by the US Gov.
Obama and his tribe are fear mongers among their many other atrocious behaviors. After all in college he was looking for a tribe, looks like he has found it.
I think the party will have to totally crash before it can be fixed.
Agreed !! Absolutely.
agreed times a thousand. its the only way. humiliating defeat for dean, pelosi, reid, obambi, dinos all of them.
The party has crashed. How fitting for Obama to hold a rally at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin, the site of Hilter’s putsch of the last of Germany’s democracy.
Rabid Obama fans and his slavish personality cult chanting the nonsense he always whips his crowds to mimic will chill those hearts who still remember what this kind of prsonality cult did to Germany not that long ago.
How many fainting ladies will Obama conscript for this rally? How many will he cure with just his words? Ya gotta be there to see this hoax in action.
While it hasn’t yet crashed, it is certainly in a death-spiral tail spin. The only person who might be able to right this plane is Hillary. Unfortunately Obama and the DNC have her bound and gagged in the luggage compartment.
No other option than landslide McCain ‘08. Please don’t stay home people. A big number for McCain means less cheating options.
Keep the change and the Democratic Party
I want a new party. The Republicans were taken over by the right wing of the party, and the Democrats by Obama and his supporters, not the left. I’ve been a member of the left and I believe in stopping the FISA overhaul, in getting out of Iraq ASAP and the separation of church and state. Obama does not represent the left but himself and a group of people that don’t believe in democracy.
I agree!
Agreed. Obama and his followers are authoritarian thugs and are not of the left. The whole Obama movement is a personality cult with no defining ideology. That’s why Obama can keep shifting positions and all his followers will do is rationalize away his contradictions.
They are of the left. You are of the center.
You are right . We are the center.The left is as bad as the right.The center is the place for intelligent people to gather.
i dont think you really knew your party until now..the truth is out about them! sorry, there is a video on you tube showing how each and everyone of them said hussein had wmd, and we needed to go in, now they want to win control of the white house they lie and betray our country…yellow cake used for nuclear is now being sent from iraq to canada..they dont want you to know..they want to take over and we will suffer like you would never believe! that lawyer wasnt kidding in his remarks….
Giving this one a 10. It has a good Beat and you can dance to it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MADZnsIkpdQ&eurl
I tried to watch this video. . . It is disgusting.
This type of “campaigning” will have a major backlash.
Yesterday I wrote the following email to the man:
Quote
Señor Ybarra
Su respuesta a (name) desvela un comportamiento contrario a la ética profesional y personal.
Que lastima!
Ya miraré a distribuirlo adecuamente.
Como dice Usted: siempre adelante.
Unquote
The mail came back from mail delivery service, saying his mailbox was full.
This man seems to suffer from sociopathic structures, if not a disorder, if the email I am refering to is not an isolated glitch. Of course, as with many of these personality disorders, the environment suffers more than the person himself.
To be active for the Obama camp gives people like this a ideal playfield and nurtures their agressive behaviour. Obama seems to foment it??? That is dangerous in many ways!
Moses Mercado is also an unfriendly superdelegate.
———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Mercado, Moses
Date: Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Pledge Your Support to Hillary Clinton!
To: xxxxxx@gmail.com
Stop emailing me your freak
————————–
Moses C. Mercado
Managing Director
Ogilvy Government Relations
202.729.4200
You want your party back. all of you whiners should have worked to elect your candidate in Idaho, Utah and all the other places where YOUR THE QUEEN was supposed to be elected by the unthinking.
as to my comment about you all ending up in concentration camps. read the declaration of independance. it says King George ” transporting us beyond seas for pretended offences…abolishing our most valuable laws.” You so called democrats are just progressives who hate anyone who is not like you.
So go vote for the facista makain and lie berman. let them put you in jail like gitmo.
when you have been shot at tear gassed , beaten and held dieing friends in your arms to fight the facistas then you can complain about losing. until then go away and stop bothering real democrats who would rather vote for a yellow rabid dog than any republican.
One of you called me a ” piece of shit” I would rather be a democratic piece of shit than a republican piece of gold.
foad
sjy
They are controlling our party, they are just bulling the other members of the party with the same kinds og threat and languages. It is the Chicago politics after all.
do you have his e-mail address ? i live in northern calif. i will tell his dumb ass right off ! that’s outrageous what he said.. he needs lots of mail !
email courtesy
Comment by ssmith | 2008-07-06 11:23:21
sjybarra@aol.com
steve’s email
this is the poster and info who inspired my letter, with address attached: Thanks ssmith!
Comment by ssmith | 2008-07-06 10:22:36
Hi GUys:
wanted to share what one of the SDs wrote a democrat asking them to switch their votes:
“I received this email from Clinton Dems. It is a copy of an email from a super delegate. If you have a chance drop him a note today:
I recently sent a copy of the open letter that was sent to Howard Dean regarding being disenfranchised by the DNC decision regarding Florida (and Michigan) to about 150 DNC delegates.”
This is the response from Steven J. Ybarra JD of California: (pasted below)
good for you, when the fascists come in the middle of the night to take you to a
concentration camp. remember how you voted.
take me off your whiner list.
–
Siempre Adelante
/s/Steve
Steven J. Ybarra JD
Chair Voting Rights Committee
DNC Hispanic Caucus
PO Box 367
Sacramento, Ca 95812
916-442-7211
http://www.consultantsassociated.com
There are three places of relative importance to the Train, watching it go by,
in front of it or driving it. (end of response)
And I thought that only the far right cornered the market on insanity….opened my eyes
Note that he is the CHAIR OF THE VOTING RIGHTS COMMITTEE!
Donna B. is also on the Voting Rights Committee. Now do you understand why we need ELECTION REFORM? Except, if these are the people responsible for enacting that reform, what do you think is going to happen?
wow. now what a coincidence……the pieces fall together, don’t they.
Isn’t that sort of like putting dick chenet in charge of a committee overseeing gun safety? Or putting Obama in charge of a committee overseeing NATO? Oh, wait …
Sorry, cheney, not chenet.
Dr. Kate:
I am a person who despises Obama. However that may be, the superdelegate meant that if you do not vote for Obama, you will see fascists coming to your door - meaning the right-wing types, not the left-wing ones run by Obama. It is a commonly held belief that fascists have taken over this country since Bush got into office. Even though I agree with much of what you say and would find it grievous to have Obama for POTUS, I am having a hard time with your interpretation of this idiot superdelegate’s quote.
You are right in penning your letter to the Editor and I applaud you for that, but I think you are misinterpreting the profligate’s intent.
Funny I am a lot more afraid of Obama’s left wing Red and Marxist whackjobs coming to my door than I am afraid of Bush right now.
And why do threats like what that guy said not surprise me any longer?
I don’t want any fascists coming to my door, either left-wing or right-wing. And yes I think it is entirely possible that the Obama thugs would act out in like manner.
I’m frustrated and angry that this creep has gotten this far for so long. Obama in the White House will be fascism, but I still think the idiot superdelegate in his insipid mind believes that he was referring to the right-wing fascists. He thinks his Obama the savior and anyone not voting for this nut is as good as a Bushy right-wing fascists.
It’s called fearmongering. If you don’t vote for us … the sky will fall.
Cuz Roe v. Wade doesn’t work on a man? Just sayin’
I appreciate your comment.
but now he will ahve to explain who he is calling facist, and as a delegate for Obama this is not going over well. I also sent his note to Dean, and this is his local newspaper the Sacramento Bee.
obama is a trojan horse.
Obama is the fascist. It is chilling to make him accountable for his actions. Classic mob control, big lies, thin-skin and obsession with control and power. Obama is a megalomaniac.
Do his threats and use of profanities, including the threat of a concentration have some kind of “context” that excuses him?
Sounds a lot like Obama WORM-ing to me Real Hope…
My recollection of the original concern was that Ybarra was evoking an image that would intimidate people connected with migrants.
On another note, he certainly fits the profile of the Obama supporters we encounter.
Hell yes! Think about it. He is the DNC Hispanic Caucus Chair. He is in California. That’s his audience. He is aiming the loaded language and imagery of concentration camps at the immigrant community. DISGUSTING! And Repubs are suppose to be the fear-mongers.
Real,
I say you are correct. I draw the same thing from it. His inference is that fascists will be in control if Barry loses.
What they accuse others of, they secretly wish to do.
Zeke,
That is what I mean also. Thank you.
As far as voting is concerned: I’m afraid that I’ll have to sit this one out folks. I cannot stomach voting for Obama and I can’t in good conscience vote for McCain as he doesn’t conform with my ideas on health care and other pertinent issues.
Please don’t sit it out, that only helps Obama. Try voting for Cynthia Mc Kinney, she’s black. If you are white, no one can accuse you of being racist. As a black operson, that may be what I will do or I might vote for a repub, Mccain, for the first time in my life. I will never stay at home, f**ck that. I marched for the right to vote. One thing is definite, I will not vote for Obama.
Nobody should feel any pressure or need to cast or modify their vote out of fear of another calling them racist. That is insane.
I think, no matter how we all actually vote on Nov 4th, we should all SAY we’re voting McCain. I think the DNC and blah blah are more worried about cross over votes than 3rd party or saying home. That’s what all the intimidation tactics do IMO. They know that they cannot get some of the PUMAS or maybe most to vote blah blah man, thats why this unity show is just that, a show. They just want to isolate, insult and demean us so much that we kind of give up. I think Uppity or Riverdaughter had a post on this a week or so ago about their sort of psychological warfare.
Good point. WE should all say we are voting for McCain, even if we don’t. Just by saying it to people it will make them stand up and take notice. And scare the sh*t out of Nobama and his cohorts. I personally have decided to actually vote for McCain. It will be difficult, but less so than voting to reward a man who has destroyed the Democratic Party and would destroy the two party system in favor of a one party rule… aka…dictatorship. Notice how Nobama is always practicing that dictator pose. No way, Nobama!
It is a valid point that has been whipped around for months though.
Racism is the only reason offered not to vote for Obama, nevermind his spineless record or associates.
While McKinney has a record of not being a coward in office, so it points out his deficiencies and negates their racism accusations.
With everything so insane….people are being threatened at work if they don’t go along or issues with family and friends. It is a suggestion that many people probably haven’t considered.
Most of my family seems to be voting for Obama. But I am leaning towards McCain, just to block him and his associates.
However, I could see stating or voting McKinney if people needed cover from friends, family and work. Some people don’t have the strength to stand up in the middle of such a river and say no. It isn’t insane it is the sad reality that Obama has created.
I agree please don’t sit out. I do like Cindy McKinley and I am also black. I am going to vote for McCain because I am tired of OBush’s lies on the Clinton’s. I am tired of all his flipflopping. He even waffles on his waffles.
I have never in my life voted for a Republican President. I have voted Republican is other areas but never for POTUS. I am this year. I have called the DNC and told them to quit sending me stuff. They will not get a dime from me but of course, as always, my great “leaders” are not listening. I will not be intimidated to vote for someone that I do not believe in. The more I hear about BO the more I am against this man. McCain all the way!!!
If you don’t vote for McCain, you are giving Obama a vote. I too, have never voted Republican, but to me that is the only way I see to stop the madness. We can stand four more years of the Reps, before we can stand one of Obama. I feel that with every fiber of my being.
I am a die-hard Democrat from the very beginning of my voting age. DNC rejected the most qualified presidential candidate and demeaned her and her supporters.In return, I will cast my vote come November 4 for Senator John McCain, if Senator Hillary Clinton is not the DNC nominee this coming August convention.
McCain = Republican
Congress = Democrat
Result: Check & Balance
Staying home will be bad for America!
We are doing our civic duties: Protect the Constitution of this great country!
Hillary or McCain ‘08
Not voting is like a vote for Obama, at least I know that John McCain loves this country and has the best interests of the country in mind. Obama just has the best interests of Obama in mind.
What is it a Socialist fears the most?
Work?
That and Fascism.
Lets make them fear several thousand PUMAS!
I disagree.
Socialism and Fascism are not exclusive of each other.
Nazis were actually called National Socialists. Many socialist applications were wrapped up tightly in xenophobic nationalism with a common group to hate.
What they accuse you of, they either do or, often because of cowardice, just wish they could do.
They aren’t Alpha’s, they will come at you from behind.
Socialists fear Individuals. Free thinking, free speaking, un-PC people who will stand in their face and challenge them. Money, marbles, chalk, if you are confident and independent these assholes will fear you.
Somewhere in the bowels of the Kremlin is a photo of me taken in 1972 as I walked past the Soviet Embassy in Washington D.C.
I am flipping them the bird.
Socialists need fools who will believe their drivel, mid-level cowards to control them and amoral, egotistical sonsofbitches to give the orders.
What the sonsofbitches fear is Truth.
It doesn’t matter what you call it. Those of the fringe will in the end behave like all others on the fringe. Fascist and socialist/communist are just names. The only difference that could be made between the two in the twentieth century was their economic models. But even these are no longer true. The commies has shed the state owned model and adopted the fascist model of capitalism controlled by a one party state. We get lost in the linear political model of left and right when for all practical reality left and right no longer exist. It’s become the center vs. the extreme. The US constitution is the center point to any political model in this country and it is the thing we must preserve or we will ultimately end up as an entity of the new fringe left/fringe right merger.
For some reason, this man’s statement reminds me of an interview I saw right after the invasion of Iraq. It was with a woman whose son had just deployed and when the interviewer asked her about her son she said, “he’s over there so I won’t have to wear a burka.”Where do people come up with this stuff? If an sd for the Democratic Party is using that kind of threat, what distinguishes him from the Bush/Cheney fear mongering?
I think we are in for a new type of “ism” something we’ve never seem or heard before. Nothing will be “as usual” if this Sneak gets into our oval office.
You are right, Patti.If you saw him last week in CNN, he said that he was undecided whether to take down the flat screen TV in the Lincoln Room,you would have a nightmare!He was already planning to have a extreme makeover for the White House, the people’s house!
How arrogant can one be? Why is he getting his way?
God Save America!
It doesn’t matter what you call it.
I know it when I see it, which is the freaky part.
The problem is each “party” be it Dem, Repub or Socialist, gives the party a bad name because they argue platforms to the extreme and feel that consensus-building is for the weak. Almost any idea is workable if you can sit down and work out the most objectionable parts. That is what the Clintons excel at and why Bill’s approval rating at the end of his 2nd term was 69%. This is also why however that the FRINGE of both Dems and Repubs HATE them. We PUMAs however have had this epiphany that has driven us to separate ourselves from the FRINGE. We may very well be initiating a historical political paradigm shift. …or at least I can hope so.
If you don’t like socialism, get the hell off my sidewalk.
Notice the city considers it their sidewalk and their tree….until their tree tears up their sidewalk.
Then it is your tree tearing up their sidewalk.
Or your tree and your sidewalk causing a safety issue for….their citizens.
What they accuse others of..they are guilty of..yes..we’ve seen it all throught the primary.
It has to be more than threats of delegates losing their seat. I think I’ll switch to repub and not wait to vote out the down ticket. I’ll vote repub in the down ticket.
you need to take a lesson in govt facism is on the left, its all under the same govt controlled by the few..not a republic which is what this country is….go to you tube there are videos explaining this…communist, socialist facists are all the same and its the ones who want govt control, the right is for just the opposite!
google this> communist endorse Obama. They are funding his campaign. It’s a recent story.
I question your logic. The communists can endorse anyone they want. It does not make Obama a communist. On the contrary, he’s beginning to look like another damn neocon.
I think this is a new “ISM …something we’ve never seen or heard before.
It’s is a part of the “change” you can believe in and it was born in South Chicago.
oh bullshit, real hope……dr. kate got it right.
People
I am in no way in support of this idiot superdelegate or Obama. I can’t stomach the bastard okay. What I meant was that for a long time now, many people that I know and have spoken with have considered Bush to be a fascist.
I know that I have felt for a very long time that it would be entirely possible for these thugs to barge in on any of us in the middle of the night and do whatever it is they feel like doing to us. Many on the Obama side think that if we don’t vote for their Messiah, that it is entirely possible the Republicans would win again and then the fascists would take over. We all know this. This is what I meant!
McCain is not bush. so this is a false fear, to think that only bush could send the facists. and don’t put yourself in a position of defending this asshole who probably did mean what he said, vote for Obama or else!
Puhleeze,
Not even a fully committed Weatherman ala Ayers and his bomb making pussies would EVER think of kicking in a door in America. At my home, you win Double-ought buck two inches below your belt. Come on by any f**king time.
This is what frustrated Obama into bitching about folks hiding behind religion and guns. If people have faith, they never get so bummed that revolution comes to their hearts.
If you run a government which wishes, (as Obama’s Faith Based BS is trying to orchestrate) control of Religion, how do you do that when you can’t threaten them with violence?
Anybody figuring out this Second Amendment stuff yet? Huh?
Obama wants to take away the right to bear arms..then the real problems begin. Only thugs will have guns if gus are banned.
(clap clap clap)
that’s a polite golf clap.
Straight up Marxist deskwork. No, thanks.
Well, the guy did offer to sell his own vote for $20 million, so I guess that as long as he can buy a mansion like Jeremiah Wright he couldn’t care less if the rest of us are in concentration camps… What a creep. Nice party.
http://cbs13.com/politics/Superdelegate.Vote.Ybarra.2.718616.html
I guess we know who coughed up the $20 mil
DNC Superdelegate Steven Ybarra is offering his vote for $20 million
So how illegal is this? To solicit in this way?
It’s a felony in this state. They threw the book at this young man. Not sure about CA?? But, that’s a good question.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/04/ebay.vote.ap/index.html
I found this article also.
http://www.slate.com/id/91418/
Ok found this apparently you can swap your vote in CA, you just can’t sell it.
Quote~When Vote-auction.com tried to sell votes over the Internet, it was easy to determine that the site was breaking the law; there was a clear off-line precedent
Each state has its own statute about corrupt election practices, and there is also a federal statute pertaining to vote fraud. The federal law is very narrow. It says it is illegal to offer your vote for something of monetary value—
http://slate.msn.com/id/92442/
Sorry forgot to add. According to Federal Law he’s committed a felony. I guess now we should send letters to the Federal Prosecutors to ask them what they intend to do about this? Plenty of proof he did it right on the internet. The 9th district ruled you can swap your votes, it was part of your constitutional right. It didn’t say you could sell them.
I am in CA, and I will be dropping a note to Attorney General (Moonbeam) Brown and the US Attorney in this guys district.
I share what I get back.
It’s illegal to buy or sell your vote. It is in my state.
I wonder how many others are just like him voting for Obama and I wonder how much money they got for doing so? Is this legal? Unbelievable. Time to look for real estate in Canada.
You didn’t see a recent article regarding this matter? According to my memory of the article, Obama paid super delegate Ted Kennedy $18,000, Byrd about $10,000 and many others ranging from $15,000 to 2,000 for their votes. Hillary also paid Ted kennedy about 10,000, Byrd about $8,000 and a few others. Guess she ran out of money before he di