RSS Feed for This PostCurrent Article

The Plight of the Obama Crowd

emptysuit-md.jpg

I have zero compassion for them. Anyone who supported Obama after March 2008 is clearly either a delusional Obama cultist or a head in the sand idiot. This one is on you.

You had better more experienced choices, say Senator Joe Biden. You had better more principled candidates who live their convictions, say Representative Dennis Kucinich. You had a reform-minded committed populist, say former Senator John Edwards. And then you had Hillary Clinton who despite some flaws encompassed all the best qualities of the aforementioned. You dug the Democratic Party’s grave, now wallow in it for all I care.

For months, countless voices of reason have pointed out time and again, Obama is an empty suit (the above cartoon is from March 2007 so don’t act surprise that Obama is devoid of substance). Obama is a fraud. He lacks experience. He has no relevant qualifications. He has no conviction other than his own political welfare.

His past behaviour is troublesome. He threw Alice Palmer and four others off the ballot. His rise through the labyrinth of Chicago politics took him down some worrisome alleys and forged alliances with a cast of characters include Louis Farrahkan, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, the Reverend James Meeks, Antonin Rezko, Rashid Khalidi, William Ayers, and Bernardine Dohrn. Now he pals around with Donnie McClurkin, Father Michael Pfleger, and Jodie Evans.

For months committed liberals like Paul Krugman, in column after column, demonstrated how his proposals weren’t that progressive or even centrist. I’ve grown hoarse pointing out Obama’s lobbyist connections and his ties to the oil, gas, coal and nuclear industries.

At every opportunity I get, I bring up the fact Senator Obama voted for the Bush-Cheney Energy Policy. The Washington Post called it “a piñata of perks for energy industries.” John McCain did not vote with his party. Hillary Clinton did not cross the aisle.

But you would not listen. You were mired in a speech that Obama gave in 2002. I hope that speech keeps you warm the next four years because that’s is the extent of his progressive record, a speech. His real record is far more centrist (that reach out across the aisle and ream someone kind of record), or perhaps corporatist is a better choice of words. Six billion dollars in subsidies to the oil & gas industry and $12 billion in subsidies to nuclear power industry.

One has to wonder if he photocopied his energy plan from Dick Cheney and Charles Grassley. His health care plan is a misnomer, it’s an insurance plan. The beneficiary is the insurance industry.

His votes in the Senate were more pro-Bush than Hillary’s, than Biden’s, than Dodd’s, than Edwards’. Progressive Punch ranked Obama the 42nd most progressive member of the Senate. There are 49 Democrats and one Socialist and one “Independent” in the Democratic Caucus. Forty-second out of 51. Funny how that is. Laughing yet?

Now, you are upset that he is backtracking. News flash: he says what he thinks will please his audience at the moment and then he does whatever he thinks will advance his career the most. And what a career it is. Zero legislative accomplishments. Zip. Name one. He has missed 42% of the votes in the Senate this year. Over the comparable period, Hillary missed 30%. That’s over a quarter more votes missed. Not trivial and by design. He and his handlers don’t want him to have a record to run on.

You think his vote on FISA was shocking. Really? He is the candidate of corporate interests, the candidate of the anti-Clinton Democratic establishment. You’re voting for Obama but getting Tom Dashcle. There’s a winner for you. You’re voting for Obama and getting Jesse Jackson, Jr. Another soulless Chicago politician. As a bonus, tack on Dick Durbin. But wait there’s more. Act now and we’ll throw in out-of-touch effete liberals– John Kerry and a gasbag to boot — Bill Richardson. But wait, there’s more you also get master advertising guru David Alexrod. Think of it as the DNC’s special gift to to you.

Obama is the designated one, the annointed one, but you satistified yourselves with silly speeches and satiated yourselves with empty platitudes galore. You went for the hip and the flash, a no-hit wonder who hasn’t even come to bat yet. He moves from one on deck circle to another never fully entering the game.

Instead you left the ace of the Democratic Party in the dugout. You fools. Stop your crying and either attempt to salvage the situation or prepare yourselves for a McCain Presidency which from my point of view is preferable to an Obama one. Better the devil that I know than the devil that I don’t. I know what to expect from McCain.

But how can I trust that shiftless soulless hypocrite who with each passing day changes yet another of his positions? It’s backtracking with Barack. So far he’s trampled on the Fourth Amendment, a women’s right to choose, the health care of all Americans and now the cornerstone of what brung him to the dance in the first place, that magical speech in 2002 that had to be re-recorded so it could be replayed again and again and use your opposition to a fruitless war as his springboard to power.

So it is with incredulity that I read this silliest of wanking posts by Ian Welsh on Firedoglake entitled “Turning Obama Into A Punchline: How Democrats Can Lose.” He was mockable from the start and his supporters perhaps even more.

I still can’t forget that kid in Ohio who thinks Obama is infallible. Papa Obama the First. News flash — Obama is a joke. He isn’t just a punchline, he is one of those clown punch bags. He may come back up but he just gets walloped down again. The funnier part is that it is largely self-inflicted so far. The GOP has yet to get its licks in.

His post and selected comments below the fold.

Once upon a time there was a candidate who was 17 points ahead of his foe. The election, it seemed, was his.

His name was Dukakis, and he lost that election to George Bush, Sr.

Or, more accurately, he lost it to Lee Atwater, Rove’s mentor. By the time Atwater got through with him, Dukakis wasn’t even a respected politician anymore, he was a punchline.

In 2000 Rove ran Bush as a “compassionate conservative” and smeared Gore as a liar, the man who’d “invented” the internet. The fact that Gore had never said that didn’t matter. In 2004 Kerry, an actual war hero, was smeared as a coward by the Swift Boat Veterans for “Truth” and by the time they got through with him, the man who’d taught Swift Boaters that the way to respond to an attack was to turn into it, was branded a coward, not a hero.

Republicans try and run elections based on “character” and when they manage it they generally win. When the election turns on something else, such as hope, the economy and health care in ‘92, they lose.

Today McCain promoted a new campaign manager, Steve Schmidt. Schmidt has been pushed, hard, by Karl Rove. He worked for the Governator’s reelection, and he also worked for Bush’s reelection in 04. Schmidt understands both parts of the Republican two-step — how to take away the scary parts of Republicanism, which he did for the Governator, who ran on a number of rather liberal policy plans; and how to destroy the opponent.

McCain isn’t going to win this election by playing nice. The natural momentum of the time favors Obama, because the Republican brand is badly damaged. The appointment of a Rovian disciple shows that the Republicans get this, and they’re ready to intensify their strategy.

Folks act as if negative campaigning doesn’t work, but this is a myth. It works, and it works well. All it is is reverse branding — branding your opponent for him. Schmidt will be looking for the opportunity to brand Obama as effete, weak and unprincipled. Obama’s actions of the past couple weeks, his “run to the center” in which he has suddenly realized he didn’t mean what he said in the primaries is playing into this narrative.

As with almost all Democrats Obama doesn’t seem to get that strength isn’t about what you vote for (national “security”), it’s about how you act. Stand strong on a principle and people will admire that even if they disagree with it. Be seen to flip like a weathervane and even if people wind up agreeing with you, they’ll despise you. Being strong, appearing strong, is about having principles, about taking a stand, not about talking tough.

Now, certainly McCain has no principles to speak of, having thrown his few remaining scruples out the door over the last couple years to court the conservative base, as when he voted for torture.

But, as we all know, the media prefers Republicans on character issues. The Swift Boaters were liars, their lies were proved at the time, but they were never effectively rebutted by the press. In 2000 the press likewise repeatedly failed to call Bush out on his many lies, indeed Paul Krugman, who tried, was expressly forbidden to use the word “lie” by his editors.

So the McCain campaign is going to try and define Obama. Republicans defined Dukakis, they defined Gore, they defined Kerry. Only with Clinton did they fail. At the same time, I expect Schmidt to push the McCain maverick brand more seriously and start backing away from the right wing base on a couple of key issues. (Torture, for example, is a place where McCain appears to be attempting to claim he is different from Bush, despite his vote for it.)

Muddle the difference on some key stands, define your opponent, make the election about character and not about policy. Obama has made this easier. It can’t really be about health care since Obama is not for universal care, and it’s harder to make it about the economy after changing his position on NAFTA.

So what Obama’s got left is “I’m not George Bush. And I am change.” If he can define McCain as Bush, he can still win it. But remember, historically elections that have come down to being about character have favored Republicans. And as Obama decides to be all things to all people, and nothing to anyone, I hope he isn’t walking into a trap whereby in simply defining himself as “hope” and “change” and “not Bush” he’s leaning on some slender reeds, easily broken by the avalanche of mud soon to come his way.

Lee Atwater is dead, but the style of politics he perfected hasn’t changed.

And sometimes the more things change, the more they stay the same.

You’re deluding yourselves by thinking that McCain is defining Obama. Obama is doing it all on his own. Obama is defining himself with every word he utters on FISA, capital punishment, on Iraq, on abortion, on his own naivete. His own backtracking is blazing a fiery trail as if it were naplam.

His candidacy is, as we speak, failing to gain traction. So far his own saving grace has been that McCain too has failed to gain traction. It’s a comedy of errors or perhaps a Greek tragedy. Either way, there is plenty to mock but not much to laugh at.

But you will see McCain run as some cross between a Ford Republican and Reagan Republican. You are beginning that change now. McCain is taking energy policy, Obama is talking flag pins. And when Obama does try to talk policy, he ends up “revising” earlier statements. Not too clever this very junior Senator from Illinois. Obama is on his way being defined as well, let’s just say he is part Carter, part Dukakis and part Kerry and all Barack and not one iota of Clinton.

He is unelectable even before the 527s get started. Those will point to the Reverend Wright. How does he run from a twenty year association with Reverend Wright? The Wright of 1991 is no different than the Wright of 2001 or 2008. He’s the same man and the tapes are ready to go. Twenty years of Barack at Trinity ready to hit your television screens.

How does he run from William Ayers, an unrepentant terrrorist? How does he run from Jodie Evans, a wealthy divorcee who thinks it’s funny to sabotage Army recruiting centers?

How does he run from that Bush-Cheney Energy Policy vote? Or his countless oil and gas connections? He is in the uneviable position of being attacked from both the left and the right and some of the center to boot. He has his cult and his handlers. That may be all he has in the end. Don’t look now but Ralph Nader has been polling since June in the 4% to 6% range. If he gets up to 10%, he is in the debates.

Now for the plight of the Obama Crowd, a few select comments from Firedoglake:

I like your thinking. Maybe I’ll send a check to HRC and JE. Keep the options open.

Sending a cheque to JE is pointless. Sending a cheque to HRC is nice because we need to retire her debt but the real problem is the DNC. You need to act to stop the coronation in Denver. Talk to a PUMA.

Do’h! We cudda hadda John Edwards!

Yeah. But you let a stupid $400 haircut story in the media undo him.

I’ve given up on aristocrats, and I’ve quit donating as a general policy.

Though I will seriously consider giving funds to a good effort to primary any Blue Dog-type.

Yeah, well Clinton was the working class Democrat. So was Edwards. So was Kucinich. And Biden wasn’t bad either. Choices you had. Even as late as May.

And thereby hangs the tale. Because I expected integrity from Barack Obama. I expected at the very least that he would be a fierce defender of the Constitution. Remember the “taught constitutional law” meme? He had my loyalty (okay, trickle down loyalty from Gore and then Edwards) and he has some of my money. There will be no more money (he doesn’t need it — he can afford to cover Hillary’s losses) and the loyalty thing is in limbo. And I’m a staunch Dem.

This is not looking good.

You wouldn’t listen to reason. Anyone who would throw five people off the ballot, as he did in his first state senate race, cannot be expected to be a Defender of the Constitution, can he? Anyone who arranges to get pundits thrown off CNN because he didn’t like their coverage cannot exactly be called a civil libertarian, can he? Integrity? From Barack Obama? Based on what? The way he handled the Reverend Wright? The racist card he has played throughout this campaign? His misogynistic remarks? His complete disrespect fof the success of the Clinton Administration? And yet he praised Ronald Reagan? Integrity?

And as Obama decides to be all things to all people, and nothing to anyone.

Nail on the head. We have a winner, ladies and gentleman. I have been saying this since January. It was evident then and it has been parcel post part of his campaign throughout. Did you just wake up from a six month hibernation?

I wrote to the Obama camp that I will not donate to someone who does not fight for the Constitution of the United States of America. (FISA, supporting church charity.) Not that I think letters, e-mails, faxes or phone calls are having any impact on any of the Dems. I don’t see Pelosi/Reid/et al. taking any notice of their base, and I don’t see Obama wising up. I despair, but I think McCain will slip through. Sad for all of us.

Sad. Yeah, that’s the word. Sad. You’re despairing? Despair if he becomes President. That’s truly what must be avoided. When we have reached the point that John McCain is the sane choice, I am afraid despair is pointless. That line was crossed long ago.

FISA anyone?

Obama’s new rush to destroy the Separation of Church and State isn’t going to help much either. If there is a plausible challenge to him in 2012, he might be a one-termer. Historic, but a single.

He’s getting the 3P’s down…Pander, Prevaricate and Pirouette.

He’s your man, not mine. I have opposed him from day one and will continue to do so because he’s dangerous. Obama is nothing but duplicitous.

Be seen to flip like a weathervane and even if people wind up agreeing with you, they’ll despise you. Being strong, appearing strong, is about having principles, about taking a stand, not about talking tough.

Let’s see now, who had principles? What was her name? Experienced too. Tough as nails. Wouldn’t quit until the DNC told her to shut up and get on board. Now, what was her name again?

Obama wasn’t my first choice, but as the primary campaign progressed, he grew on me (mostly by treating the electorate as grown-ups instead of fearful children).

Now, I want a do-over. The FISA capitulation was bad enough, but now he’s walking back his commitment to get out of Iraq? What is wrong with him? Did someone kidnap David Plouffe and replace him with Mark Penn?

Treating the electorate as grown-ups? What, by telling fairy tales in the land of hope and change? By telling you that you were the ones you had been waiting for. That was shameless flattery. Also out of Lenin’s playbook.

Clinton treated you as an adult. Edwards treated you as an adult. Obama treated you as a toy, a piece of silly putty that he could mold into his own legion of toy soldiers marching onto Washington to defeat the evil lobbyists who form his very own shock troops. It’s like watching an episode of Star Wars.

You have been deceived. You have been lied to. Wake up and doing something about it.

What’s wrong with Obama? How long have you got? I have written volumes. So have others far more learned than I. But you preferred to believe that a speech by an Illinois State Senator mattered more than the hard work of US Senators who faced tough decisions or who actually realized that telling the American people we can just waltz out of Iraq and leave it in a vacuum would be to mislead them.

Senator Biden, who is likely the most knowledgeable US Senator on both sides of the aisle on Iraq, told us that Obama didn’t have a plan, he had a dream.

Senator Clinton had the endorsement of nearly 40 retired top members of the US Armed Forces, including two former Chief of Staffs because they knew she understood what it would take to do the groundwork so we can exit Iraq.

Ambassador Joe Wilson wrote op-ed after op-ed praising Clinton for her approach. In return, you vilified him. And he broke the goods on Cheney.

There are no words that can describe the utter disgust I feel towards many of Obama supporters. Those that engage in tactics that aim to suppress dissent by shutting down websites nefariously or spreading misinformation about the membership of PUMA are nothing but vile worms living off their own manure.

I have long recognized that my political views put me in a minority- and that no candidate will win by espousing what I believe- so I try to support the person who will do the least harm.

Well unless you are willing to consider Nader, you’re likely talking about McCain at this point as the person who will do the least damage. Obama can not be trusted and then he lacks all relevant experience and that in and of itself is eminently dangerous.

His comments on Jerusalem at AIPAC would have set off riots in the Middle East and put both American lives and interests across the globe in jeopardy had he been President at the time. Words matter. Nuance matters. Precision is important and now he’s puzzled by how the media reads his every word. Unless you want to be the Hugo Chavez of the United States who spouts like some uncontrollable geyser, words need to be measured. But Obama is such a panderer that off the cuff he will fly and into the abyss we will go.

All the people who are disappointed in Obama need to remember on thing - if you remember nothing else about him. He is a student of George Lakoff.

For those of you who don’t know what that means, it is simply, George Lakoff is a specialist in the cognitive science of linguistics. In English, he studies ’framing’ and how it works.

In the instance being worried about today (faith-based initiatives), everyone (including me) has heard this term over and over for the past 7 or so years, and have become very familiar with the Bush version of this. It is a failed policy whereby the Rethugs dismantle a government program that was doing an adequate job, in favor of some crony religious program that is marginal at best, and outright corrupt at its heart at worst.

Along with this, the Rethugs dismantled social safety net programs leaving these so-called faith-based organizations to pick up the entire load, something they were never qualified for, nor were capable of doing on the scale of need. So we hear the words - faith-based initiative - and immediately all this crap comes to mind. Along with the erosion in the line of separation between church and state.

Let me propose a ”Lakoff transformation”. First, listen to Obama’s speech. And I mean REALLY listen. Don’t just read the headlines, here or anywhere else because they all have as a subtext the Bush definition.

Second, let’s lose the descriptor - faith-based initiative. What Obama is proposing is a PARTNERSHIP between the government and private institutions to get a job done. He is proposing that the government will keep its ongoing programs and work to make them better. And will work as a PARTNER with other organizations to help address needs that may be better suited to these particular organizations or for which these organizations may have a better track record of success. He proposes to LEARN from these organizations and figure out ways to help the government agency do a better job so that all persons needs are met. Yes, some of these organizations are religious - but the appropriate guidelines are in place - they just need oversight, accountability and enforcement, something that has also been completely missing under Bushco, and which Obama says he will make the Office in charge do its job.

I think that we are all too quick to dismiss and feel bad about Obama’s supposed policy direction changes, when they may not be that at all. Or they may be policy direction changes that are going in an entirely new direction than the one we are thinking about. Lakoff says this is the trouble with our language - we tend to develop a ’frame’ around a word or phrase when we first encounter it. That frame gets imprinted on our brains, and then we have to work really hard to actually think ”outside the frame” for a new and better context.

Next time you hear that Obama did XYZ using language that feels/seems bad - try this exercise. Replace the objectionable frame with another word that describes the action being taken - as I did using the word ’partnership’, and then look at the issue again. We may all be surprised - in a good way.

What Obama is proposing is a PARTNERSHIP between the government and private institutions to get a job done? What Obama is propsoing is a giveaway of taxpayer money to private institutions that proselytize. Government is in the business of assisting people in their lives. Churches are in the business of saving souls. The two are not complimentary. There is a Constitutional separation between Church and State. Your framing is blind acceptance of utter folly.

The kool-aid is strong in this one. Anyone who supports him now is blind to the dangers that Obama poses to civil liberties and human progress. And blind men are at their blindest when they suddenly think that they can see.

See you in 2012, if we get there.

__________

From my blog, By The Fault.

Trackback URL

RSS Feed for This Post552 Comments »

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-07-07 18:11:37

arry,
The one event that never seems to get coverage by yourself or Fox is what happened at Bush’s state of the union this year.
As you recall Bush mentioned the success of the surge. As we know and expected Hillary got up and clapped as any great American patriot would do when the commander and chief announces progress in a war.
Obama showed that he wishes American defeat by sitting on his hands and not getting up.

Now that the surge is working and McCain is correct on Iraq this video of Obama sitting and Hillary standing needs to be broadcast and often.

Obama’s will be defeated by his flip flop position on the Iraq war.
November will be about National Security,patriotism and pride

The fact that Hillary stood with McCain and Bush on Iraq shows that she wants America to win!

Comment by believe | 2008-07-07 18:25:26

No matter what your position on the war is, we can’t do with a weaker military. Obama is going to do just that.

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-07-07 18:45:04

Do just what??
I heard him saying he was getting out of Iraq.
Then I heard him say that he would get back in Iraq if Alqueda set up a base.

Something very scary and naive here!!

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-07-07 20:55:38

Obama also said he may or may not get our troops out of Iraq, and he said he would send our troops to Pakistan and Afghanistan and fight “the War On Terror there.”

 
 

Comment by flyingsongster | 2008-07-07 19:20:47

Obama is not fit to be the Commander in Chief of the Military.

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-07-07 19:37:03

Obama wanted American defeat in Iraq so that he could be president.
I want a president that puts Country before party and Country before self.

Maybe Obama should have got up off his appeasement ass and showed a little respect for our country and it’s victories in war and applauded the surge which McCain had advocated for years.

I’m very proud of our great Patriot Hillary who bravely got up and clapped and honored our troops and gave true recognition of success to the surge which has turned out to be the changing point in Iraq.

Comment by tampagurl | 2008-07-07 19:48:56

Seattle, these punks don’t care about our country. They just want their Guru to be president.

Comment by wodiej | 2008-07-07 19:55:23

exactly what I thought, they don’t know anything about patriotism or integrity.

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-07-07 20:05:53

Obama is in big trouble now!

McCain the Patriot Hero who puts Country before Self, has shown what it takes to be a Leader.
When no one else was for the surge
McCain was there to make the unpopular stand against retreat and defeat.

McCain will lead by Wisdom,Judgment and Integrity with a duty to serve the United States.

 
 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-08 03:29:02

Maybe it’s time to bring back the draft.

Comment by sjc-tx | 2008-07-08 09:51:48

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DRAFT!

 
 
 

Comment by mummy smurf | 2008-07-07 23:39:24

So now these supposed Democrats support the Iraq war? They justify it (soon after July 4) by saying we slapped down insurgents in a Country Bush invaded without a concern for law.

So what is victory then?

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-07-08 00:19:15

The victory is Iraq becoming a self governing Pro Western Democratic State which allies itself with the United States

A really big deal for or our continued safety and the protection of our way of life.

Comment by mummy smurf | 2008-07-08 09:59:26

We “give” the Middle East Democracy and they vote for HAMAS.

Comment by Karma | 2008-07-08 11:59:23

And your probelm is?

Geez…Hamas endorsed Obama…lol

Hamas even wrote an op-ed in his church bulletin.

So, what is the complaint?

He only threw them under the bus when the press started asking questions. Along with an advisor and an ageist insult for McCain when called on it.

LOL

 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by maniaco | 2008-07-07 21:42:20

$7/HR KOOLAID TROLL ALERT = TROLL named “believe”

save time: FastForward when you see posts by senseless, clueless “believe”

“believe” = FastForward

Comment by tampagurl | 2008-07-07 21:48:31

Yeah, they are really starting to bore me!!!!!They same the same old lies everyday!!

 
 
 

Comment by Hadrian | 2008-07-07 18:26:57

Last Nov, Maliki was before the UN Security Council to ensure that the UN resolution authorizing coalition forces in Iraq expires in Nov 2008. That means in Nov 2008, the foreign occupation of Iraq officially ends and Iraq gains full sovereignty over its soil

In this morning’s news, widely reported, the US and Iraq are close to finalizing negotiations of a joint security agreement that puts remaining coalition forces in Iraq under supreme command of the Iraqi military and also sets forth the (for good reason undisclosed) timetable for withdrawal of all foreign troops.

Comment by BJ | 2008-07-07 20:07:16

getting out of Iraq is a pipe dream. You need to change that word you posted “soil” to “oil”.

We’ll never leave Iraq. It was always about the oil, not terrorists or Al Qaeda.

 
 

Comment by mummy smurf | 2008-07-07 18:58:27

This site just keeps getting worse and worse. It takes every internet talking point about Obama and then jumps off to the extreme wth it. As a result Larry Johnson has lost all credibility with real Democrats and not even the Republicans would have him back.

There is no need to twist the view of the PUMA mob. Their views are sick and twisted enough and they represent no one.

They have 350 supporters on facebook, compared to 1.2 million for Obama. They have done little to clear the Hillary campaign debt, despite claims to support her. Only 20 people were at their last big protest.

The only reason to keep a watch on sites like this is to refute the bigotes smears that stopped Gore and Kerry winning at the last elections. The PUMA is nearing extinction because of rabies.

Comment by FloridaDem | 2008-07-07 19:03:16

Trolls - why don’t you head to the big ole stadium for your messiah’s coronation? That’s the only place you’re welcome. Go away.

Comment by dgr | 2008-07-07 23:44:06

its because the stadium is the only enclosed space big enough for their LEADERS HEAD.

 
 

Comment by believe | 2008-07-07 19:09:56

Only 350 on facebook? Now, that is real sad.

Comment by hank48188 | 2008-07-07 21:23:37

I’ve heard of facebook but I’ve never looked at it, what do you do? Put your picture on a profile or something? Get “online” Friends?

 

Comment by Dinocrat | 2008-07-07 21:41:17

The only thing that’s sad here is your name. When there are no facts and no reason, all you have left is “belief”.

 

Comment by kat in your hat | 2008-07-08 00:47:53

Hey, I’ve been meaning to sign up for Puma Facebook, thanks for the reminder.

 
 

Comment by meileen | 2008-07-07 19:37:28

I know of at least a dozen PUMA friends who are not on Facebook. What is your point with that childlike statement?

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-07-07 19:54:00

What’s face book asshole?
I prefer to know thousands by greeting them in public than on some introverted wussie web site.

Comment by believe | 2008-07-07 20:11:39

Oh, yes, you don’t hang out on web sites. That’s why you’re hanging out on this web site.

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-07-07 20:36:35

This is the time in every persons life to make a stand against injustices and expose undemocratic tactics that are being inflicted upon our nation by outside interests and a complicit and corrupt party leadership.

Remember this Believe…

‘Country before party ,Country before self’

That is a phrase that one has to earn!

McCain Rising!!

 

Comment by mummy smurf | 2008-07-07 23:43:41

Well their real candidate does not even know how to use a computer, never mind understand the internet. So no wonder they do not know who facebook is. As for a few thousand - I doubt that number. They can not even fill a fake advert with faces. They had to put a post up here.

 
 

Comment by mummy smurf | 2008-07-08 10:11:51

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-07-07 19:54:00

What’s face book asshole?
I prefer to know thousands by greeting them in public than on some introverted wussie web site.

Facebook is a social netwroking site for college, work, going out. I guess where your from you identify with each other by burning crosses. A bit hard to recognize faces when they are covered by a sheet.

Comment by mummy smurf | 2008-07-08 10:13:13

I also only described facebook - not facebook asshole. That must be the PUMA version.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-07-08 10:18:39

You’re talking to yourself again UKie.

 
 
 
 

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-07-07 21:07:25

I’m a member of The Bitch Set Me Up. And I have 21 friends who are my irl friends that I hang out with all the time. But I don’t bring politics into it. When my friends bring up Obama (there are two) then I tease them mercilessly. My messages are all vague. I said I loved Clinton. Whenever they ask me about John McCain, I tell them I’m in favor of balanced government… and a president who’s strong on national security, if they persist.

 
 

Comment by vonay | 2008-07-07 19:40:41

mummy smerf,

You must be very stupid. Puma is only one month old. We are just starting.
Already there are millions of us.
I would be very worried if I were you.

Comment by mummy smurf | 2008-07-07 19:49:31

Get ready for President Barck Obama vonay it takes years to organise a decent campaign.

Comment by beebop | 2008-07-07 19:51:26

MILLIONS of non-Pumas know that they aren’t buying what he’s selling. You don’t need to call yourself a PUMA to BE a PUMA … sweetie ….

Comment by mummy smurf | 2008-07-07 20:28:38

Twenty people. That is all. If the press had not included the hobo on the corner it would have been 19. Then we could have kept playing the Paul Hardcastle song at you. (You had to include the cat lady as she was the hero who stood up against black people at the Rules meeting).

Comment by Peggy Sue | 2008-07-07 21:01:10

Try on 2 million [to date]. Don’t believe it? We have months to go yet.

See you in November!

PUMApac.org

 

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-07-07 21:10:44

BTW, why did “Old Bitch” Smurf have a British accent?

 

Comment by hank48188 | 2008-07-07 21:31:56

I’m a older man and I always vote, as do most of the folks I know. Most of them, like myself, have always voted for DEMS but most will not this year. I only know 2 people voting for Obama, they are TEAMSTERS and work for the Union. The reason the TEAMSTERS are supporting Obama is because Obama told Jimmy Hoffa he would remove the Gov’t oversight of the TEAMSTERS, which is needed to keep the Gangsters under control in the Union. The members NEEDS that Gov’t oversight to protect their Pension Fund FROM THE UNION.

 

Comment by StrawberrybitesBarky | 2008-07-07 22:40:02

Like I said, please keep believing that. I want you to believe that. We’re just a few dead enders. Rumsfeld said the same thing…remember?

Comment by mummy smurf | 2008-07-08 00:50:24

He was right for a change. You lot counted for nothing against him. Jobs and homes is all that matters.

 
 

Comment by photolady13 | 2008-07-07 23:35:36

and you mummy…where do you fit in? do you fit? how do you fit? or do you just throw a fit?
Your comments are irrelvant, as I’m sure you are too.

 
 
 

Comment by Latte Liberal for McCain | 2008-07-07 20:34:56

You’d be amazed how energizing a little rage can be.

 

Comment by no waffles aka drkate | 2008-07-07 20:43:49

we don’t need to organize a campaign. we know where we stand and our tactics are exposure of the truth about obama. you’re the one with trouble on your hands.

 

Comment by Teakwood | 2008-07-07 20:51:33

and will take me and millions of other Americans 5 seconds to vote for anyone but BO.

Hell it took him about the same amount of time to change my vote from “against BO” to “for Mccain”.

McCain was not MY first choice but he damn sure he will be my last. As deeply as I respect Senator Clinton and loathe BO’s indifference…

Charles Lemos; damn fine work.

 

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-07-07 21:09:11

Yeah, the Republicans have been working since 2005 to promote Obama as the Democratic nominee.

 

Comment by Dinocrat | 2008-07-07 21:45:02

So that’s the “community organizing” in his resume?

 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-08 03:35:19

oh, another outsource troll. Really if you are going to try to fool us, learn American spelling.

 
 

Comment by Northwest rain | 2008-07-07 20:10:45

There are SO MANY voters out there who don’t yet know that they are PUMAs.

I had the pleasure this weekend to induct a few more PUMAs into our midst!

They will go forth and induct more PUMAs — and that is how the PUMA ranks are growing!!

These people are not on the Internet — and they are pissed — really pissed at the democratic leadership and the empty suit called Obama. They also don’t have a damn what color Obama “thinks” he is — PUMAs just know that Obama is NOT who they want to be CiC and President of the US.

PUMA — spread the word

Party Unity My Ass —

PUMA

Comment by mummy smurf | 2008-07-07 20:31:19

I am guessing that those encouraging Democrats to vote for McWar have resigned from the Party. If of course you ever were members.

Comment by beebop | 2008-07-07 20:38:45

Lifelong Democrat for your information. I am now an Independent. Thanks for asking.

 

Comment by no waffles aka drkate | 2008-07-07 20:45:34

life long democrat who will vote McCain, here.

 

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-07-07 21:12:07

I started calling myself a Republican back in 2006. Guys thought it was hot.

Comment by Diana | 2008-07-07 22:37:01

roflmao I’ll have to remember that one.

I’ll tell you one thing, we got it all over Obama’s supoprters with our sense of humor. They have none. I’ve learned between you and Uppity not to be drinking anything while reading the posts.

 
 

Comment by hank48188 | 2008-07-07 21:36:53

I keep getting junk mail from the DNC and the Michigan Dems and I keep sending it back to them with a complaint about the DNC and the Michigan DEMS stealing my vot and giving it to Obama. I never put a stamp on though, I always let the DEMS pay for the Postage Due.

Comment by dgr | 2008-07-07 23:50:07

I saw a post elsewhere, this dear PUMA sent them a reply, to the effect, “everytime you send me an email asking for money, I am going to send money to McCain”.

 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-08 03:38:52

Oddly, I haven’t heard from the DNC since I answered their email with F*** you.

 
 

Comment by Dreffein | 2008-07-07 22:18:00

Lifelong Democrat who will write in HRC and vote the balance of the ticket Democratic. Mummy Smurf (what a name) - what should worry all of the Obamabots is the number of sites dedicated to defeating Obama from former loyal Democrats.

Anyone who would vote for this man with his embellished resume, embellished story of his birth, embellished legislative record and constant lies since winning the nomination should not be accorded the right to vote.

Comment by DancesWithPumas | 2008-07-07 22:56:02

“…since winning the nomination should not be accorded the right to vote.”

Senator Obama did not “win” the nomination, it was a handout from the DNC/RBC. He’s still just the selectee.
If he is nominated at the Denver Convention, he’ll always have that little asterisk accompanying his name.

 

Comment by mummy smurf | 2008-07-08 00:57:13

Anyone can set up a website - look at this one. It has gone from being defend Plame to KKK.

Comment by StrawberrybitesBarky | 2008-07-08 01:01:20

Racist twat.

 
 
 
 

Comment by DARRELL REED | 2008-07-08 01:52:20

Northwest rain I want to join up with the PUMA’S.And to all of you Obama nuts when Obama brings Islam to the America you will be the first to say I did’nt vote for him.Northwestrain go to http://daddyfats.space.live.com leave a how to message please,thats my site for comments on illegal aliens.

Comment by RoryBellows | 2008-07-08 14:42:54

Think harder Darrell.

 
 
 
 

Comment by djia | 2008-07-07 19:53:51

facebook is for kids……PUMA’s are ADULTS

we don’t need “Facebook” to network ;)

Get over it! & get on board….. OBAMA IS TOAST!!!

PUMA! (and i am not on facebook either)

Comment by Chicago Joe | 2008-07-07 20:57:36

My own kids join any silly group on Facebook and it means nothing. Come back when you grow up.

Comment by mummy smurf | 2008-07-08 01:02:19

Barack Obama
1,116,154 supporters

John McCain
162,945 supporters

Hillary Clinton
158,951 supporters

Ron Paul
90,673 supporters

Michelle Obama
55,661 supporters

Of course to deadenders and PC illiterate Facebook means nothing. See you in November.

Comment by mummy smurf | 2008-07-08 01:06:24

According to Hillary math, if you ignore those living in caucus states, those who supported Obama in Michigan and Florida, African Americans and young people Hillary and McBush have more facebook supporters.

Comment by andySF | 2008-07-08 01:26:57

Yes, we grown up are really interested in Facebook. We got nothing better to do. What’s taking care of family, building financial future, when you can be on facebook.

 
 

Comment by StrawberrybitesBarky | 2008-07-08 01:09:08

Twat, most blue collar folks (the ones barky insulted with the bitter remark) have no idea what facebook even is, you idiot. They are too busy putting food on the table and putting those fat ass punks on facebook through college and they vote, they may not be able to caucus, but they will vote in November. And it won’t be for a coked out racist.

 
 
 
 

Comment by RedDragon62 | 2008-07-07 19:53:51

Mummy Smurf:

i take it you are one of the SHEEP that salivates at the site of your DADDY OBAMA on TEEVEE!
It is sheep like you that will ruin this country. You seem incapable of using the brain the Creator endowed you with. You are a sad excuse for a human being. But, there is still hope for you. There is a TEEVEE program on A&E called–”INTERVENTION”. If your family has any love for you, they will enroll you in this program before you do harm to yourself and those of us around you!

You are one of those people when told to jump. you reply….”How High”!
Now go back to your Glass pipe and load it with a hit of Hopium! Take your walk with Alice down the rabbit hole and enjoy your Kool-Aid party. The Human race will not miss you one bit!

Comment by wodiej | 2008-07-07 19:57:52

 

Comment by believe | 2008-07-07 20:13:28

You are such a persuasive person, referring to Hopim and Kool Aid. How could anyone resist your powerful logic and your put-downs?

 

Comment by Disgusted | 2008-07-07 22:05:54

Hopey Smurf is not ruining America. He doesn’t even live here. This doofus cries out UK for DEMS. Who else would respond to every post with the same inane drivel about 20 puma members?

 
 

Comment by BJ | 2008-07-07 20:09:57

You’re a smurf alright, with as much brain capacity as a smurf doll. Nothing upstairs whatsoever, or you’d see the facts that are blatantly in front of your glazed over zombie eyes.

Go suck your messiah’s toes oh foolish one.

Comment by Teakwood | 2008-07-07 20:57:15

’partnership’, and then look at the issue again. We may all be surprised - in a good way. (suck your messiah’s toes)

Morris showed him that one?

 

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-07-07 21:13:24

Smurfs are on mushrooms. They live in mushrooms and eat their walls with peanut butter. Stoners.