Daily Kos, Along with Obama’s Base, Is Fracturing
By SusanUnPC on July 8, 2008 at 9:20 PM in Barack Obama, DNC, Daily Kos, Delegates, Democratic Nomination, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi
The other night, I wrote in “The Choice (But I’ve Been Touched) - A Long Overdue Update“:
[M]any Kossacks attacked the blog founder Markos (”Kos”) Moulitsas when he announced he was withholding his $2,300 donation to Obama’s presidential campaign because of his dismay with Obama’s backpedaling on FISA, public financing, and more. Kos titled his essay, “Rewarding good behavior.”
They continue to attack. And attack. And attack. Here’s one of the latest, from a diary by Kath25, “People Power Will Donate $2,300 Instead, Markos (Update VI)” — the 903rd comment:
Yeah, Kos is an ass, a liar, and a coward.
“Obama is going to raise a ton of dough and win this thing whether I send him money or not.” [Quoting Kos]
Bullshit. This is just an excuse and a lie. Some netroots leader and organizer! “Let somebody else do it. It’ll get done, somehow.”
Kos will cause Obama to lose, and will revel in it, just as Naderites reveled in Gore’s loss. There are only two possible outcomes to this election, and Kos and the lemmings in his footsteps either don’t care who wins or want to see Obama lose so as to exalt their own bloated egos.
by LongTom on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 06:17:39 PM PDT
Here’s the link to the diary sans comments — advised if you’re on a dial-up connection or have an older computer.
If you’d like to scan the 900+ comments, go here.
I find myself siding with Kos here. He took his time endorsing Obama, and now is using the leverage he has to try to hold Obama to his commitments.
The sad reality, of course, is that Obama has no fealty to commitments over issues. Issues are merely fodder to be used to grab what he seeks above all else: Victory.
Now, every politician has to be focused on winning. But most politicians have some issues about which they genuinely care and are knowledgeable about. Obama doesn’t seem to hold any issues dear.
What should worry Denver delegates most is that, with Obama’s base bickering and more of them disappointed every day in Obama’s backpedaling, his much-vaunted ability to raise cash is being affected.
For every one of the Kossacks angry with Kos, there is another who is just as disappointed in Obama as Kos, and who is likely to donate not at all, or far less than before.
That’s a huge problem for the Democratic party, especially since Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean have counted on Obama’s “cash cow” — and that was, I maintain, the main reason that Pelosi and Dean pulled so many strings and bent so many rules to crown Obama the nominee.
They may soon regret that greed clouded their judgment.
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Well Said
Not at all well said: the repugnant “silly hate site” is an Obamabot troll.
He/she should be banned from NoQuarter (the aim is to make NoQuarter look bad).
An Obama troll who posts “I HATE OBAMA” over and over again?
Those Obamites are just too clever for us.
That’s their personal little inside joke.
You don’t see the Clinton people carry on like 12-year-olds.
In yesterday’s thread, a troll was writing banal dialog between his sock puppets. He does this in other blogs.
Kudos to Kos for waking up!
hear, hear.
I’m sorry. I don’t think I quite understood your comment.
Would you be so kind as to elaborate?
he hates Obama :O
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I hope it crumbles to the ground, the DNC will get what they deserved, the people spoke, they did not listen..
The thing is that we tried to tell Kos that this was going to happen from the beginning… that Obama was going to disappoint everyone… that he was not going to stand behind his promises… that he was all just vague jingles and slogans… but he and his fellow Obamadroids refused to listen to reason… in fact, they were quite rude about it… so rude that we could not have a civil discussion with them. Now they are finally beginning to see… and its too late. It’s just too late… for all of us. Thanks Kos. Thank you so very much… I can’t tell you how hhhappy I am that you are beginning to realize what you and your people have helped bring about.
it’s not too late, and I am not going to fault Kos or anyone else.
This has been a horrible nightmare of a primary.
I think that it is to Kos’ credit that he is willing
to stick his neck out and take a beating.
PUMAS would just be happy if we could all
get together.
Nobody likes having the party fractured.
I would like to see everyone who has been
disenchanged with Obama to all get together,
and try to do something.
I’m starting to get tired of saying “I told you so” too — but I’ll keep saying it and saying it and saying (just as I did after fully half the electorate voted for George W. Nutcase), in the slim hope that enough Obama-Aid drinkers will learn to avoid being scammed the next time around. I don’t have a lot of hope, as cognitive dissonance is very powerful indeed.
And you’re right, weltec2, it is too late. This great awakening is a wonderful thing, but almost meaningless now. Unless the majority of convention delegates have a mass epiphany and vote on principle instead of slick marketing, the nation is sunk, no matter who moves into the White House.
The polls today suggest that the politicos are misreading the people’s will. We’re not just disgusted with Republicans. We’re also equally disgusted with the Democrats.
This is a “vote the rascals out” year for all of them.
There is no mandate for the Democratic party. The way McCain is polling proves that is the case. The man is not good at speeches. His policies don’t please even his own party. He’s not a strong candidate. Yet he’s 2 points behind?
Good lord, if people can’t see what that says, nothing will penetrate.
Obama has failed. He has not energized us. I don’t care if he fills that whole stadium. It will be filled with rock-star chasers.
And that means nothing as far as the political will of the people goes.
Whomever reaches the white house will not have the will of the people behind them.
Nothing has changed.
Obama may have won the primary, but he did so in a way that has taken advantage of the system of the party to give people like him a shot. He gets credit for that. But the problem is that system also puts a minority voice in charge, which means that the real voice of the majority of Democrats is not heard.
That’s the party system. We may bitch. But that’s the party system.
He won’t convince many that he’s legitimate. He’ll be the photo-op candidate. That’s all.
He’s avoiding the real problems we face. We need real leadership, not GQ man.
And people will be very, very dissatisfied.
Bill Clinton was a new kid on the block, but his passion was in policy and change. Obama? No. His passion is Obama.
Bill need not worry that he’ll still be the one president for the people and beloved.
Obama will be a jerk.
Heh. GQ has been fairly relevant lately. I recall their 2007 Best Of list had Ron Paul as Dark Horse of the Year. David Chang was Best Chef. Mad Men was an Instant Classic. Bill Clinton – Public Citizen. Judd Apatow, Michael Cera, Jonah Hill, Seth Rogen, and Paul Rudd – Comedy Mafia. Javier Bardem – Villain. Josh Brolin — Tough Guy. Daria was Supermodel of the Year. Pretty Spot-On. A-Rod got a shout out. He’s dating Madonna while she gets a divorce.
http://www.sheknowsbest.com/gqs-2007-men-of-the-year-list/
I’m pretty good at spotting the next big thing, and I’m not seeing it with Obama. He’s a fad.
Excellent commentary as always, Ann.
I forgot from before….
Look Kos, Bowers, Stoller, Marshall it’s nothing personal but…..
You as stupid a group of pocket Hitlers as I’ve ever met. And I met me a few buttheads back in the day when being fleet of foot meant a lot more than how fast you could type when is came to ‘dealing with the man…’.
You weren’t there. Too bad. Not really a problem until you ignored the history we made, which cost us the attention of the country for over a generation, and went out and stuck yer dicks in a crack an just plain….
….fucked dat dog.
Progressively speaking. And no we are not about to say, ‘Oh, hey no problem that Obama he’s a real A-Hole. How could you know?’
Nope you bought him Boyz.
He’s all your’s.
Fuckheads.
Ha! Wow. That was effective.
Typical nonsense - at least KOS remains a Democrat and will be supporting the Democrat. You have been taken in by Darragh Murphy, someone who donated to McWar in 2000 and is now working for McWar to win in 2008. PUMA - nothing but an RNC front.
no real democrat would ever believe that…
ah ha ha
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/puma_pacs_founder_darragh_murphy_proudly_presents_party_unity_my_ass_redux/
i donated to mccain too…
and your point is?
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
Well unless the FEC is wrong no such donation appears for the relative of yours, Alex, who owns the sitename notetoselfdontdie.com or from you.
My point is this is an RNC front and it has been exposed.
You really do live in a dream world, mummy.
LOTTA Democrats won’t be voting for Obama.
You best deal with that.
Obama is not a democrat. He’s a free agent,
and works to serve his own ambition.
It is a great day for me that Kos realizes this,
and has the spine to say so.
wow, you got lots of spare time on your hands…
oh forgot, you must be one of those paid obama bloggers, thugs etc…
what’s next? death threats? threatening phone calls?
are you trying to intimidate me and my family?
there are plenty of reasons why my donation isn’t showing up on FEC right now…
good grief!
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
No self respecting Rep would donate a DIME to HRC! PUMA will have her out of debt by tomorrow. We are PUMA democrats and we’ve dontated $10 million dollars, that’s right $10 million dollars in less than 2 weeks to Hillary. Republicans would NEVER in a million years do that for her.
This is so NOT an RNC movement.
I’m voting for McCain - now go to my blog and read my posts for the last 2 years and find any proof that I’m a republican supporter moron.
Lies, lies and more lies. Go PUMA! Down with Obama! Hillary or McCain 08!
mummy smurf: I would sooner believe the entire Obama campaign is an RNC plot to destroy the Democratic Party.
I suppose it is extremely difficult for you to accept the truth at face value: We are (or were) Democrats who were right about Obama from the start, period. I suppose that in order to protect your fragile, weakening little bubble of cognitive dissonance, you must attribute our clarity of vision to RNC skullduggery. Or brain implants from alien invaders. Or Communists. Whatever tinfoil-hat craziness makes you feel better.
Of course, the more time, money, and blind emotion an Obama supporter has invested in this farce of a campaign, the greater the resistance to the truth.
Don’t worry, mummy smurf: When you’re ready to come to your senses, we’ll welcome you to the reality-based world. Just don’t expect much sympathy.
P.S. Have a look at my blog — no, better yet, my entire site (especially my Conservative Babylon section) — and show me one shred of evidence that I’ve harbored anything but extreme contempt for everything Republican. Show me. I dare you. If I’m part of an RNC plot, I’ve put up a damned good front of being a far-left lesbian Democrat for the past 47 years, don’t you think?
The disillusionment begins.
I wonder if Kos will be kicked out of his own blog like the Hillary supporters were, or will he again silence dissent and remove them?
Now that’s funny1
I just hope Kos realizes that he is not alone.
A lot of us have just waked up.
It is not to late to get back on course, and that
should be the order of the day.
Minn. gambling authority questions Obama Web offer
It would be hilarious if, in the end, instead of being indicted and arrested and tried and jailed for working with Tony Rezko to loot the Illinois treasury, they are carted off to jail for running an illegal raffle in Minnesota. Land O’Lakes I love ya!
Again, an overzealous intern (probably best buddy to the creator of the presidential seal knock off) thought “hey, let’s do a raffle, gets loads of money!” without thinking it through. That happens a lot in the BO camp. HA HA.
“I can no more disown my raffle than I can my Friday night bingo game…..”
“That’s not the convention raffle that I knew….”
Ha ha ha! (snortle.)
This is not the first time Obama has done this I remember people winning a dinner with Obama for donating money. He has already broke the law he done this several times
He trying to clean it up by saying that now it is contest. Too late he has done raffles in the past
With Obama’s “respect” for the law you could mistake him for GWB. Would it be a mistake?
“Why can’t I just play my raffle? Or eat my waffle?”
Gee, the Deceiver sure does have a large bag full of tricks and gimmicks, doesn’t he….
Newsweek finally reported on the fraud of his fundraising. The notion that he was bringing in all this new cash for new donors has been debunked.
Do you have a link?
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/07/08/four-myths-of-obama-s-money-machine.aspx
Holy smokes! Obamaweek finally published something about the Precious other than a fawning puff-piece?? WOW!
Actually I let my Newsweek subscription of many years expire because of their brown-nosing “coverage” of the Precious.
That is so funny because I did the same thing.
I have been getting ObamaWeek for more that 20 years and I just canceled my subscription.
I also canceled my Nation subscription.
I could no longer stomach the Obama Love fest.
Yeah, I cancled mine as well.
Even MaDo reported on it. Unreal.
I especially avoid her column, but I heard.
F— Newsweek.
Too little, too late.
They (along with the rest of the trifling media) knew where Obama’s campaign dollars were coming from all along. They were just too busy bashing Hillary and kissing Obama’s ass to report it.
Now they’re trying to pretend like they’re responsible & unbiased media. Because they’re losing (and have lost) many of their most loyal consumers after their extremely unprofessional Hillary “pile-up.” And they’re trying to do and say anything to get them back.
It’s good to see so many abandon the sleazy MSM. I love it.
Well this is good news.
Thank you so much for going to the Orange THING — so I don’t have to.
What the Koz needs to do is clear some of that Orange haze. Put in a blue sky to ward off your depression
Maybe take off the Lenin outfit and pledge to the Flag of The United States instead of your Commie overlords.
But he’ll never get rid of the Che posters.
I went to the kos site to read some of the comments. That’s 2 minutes I’ll never get back in my life. Their comments are not worth reading.
Though I liked the one in which someone decided not to spend $47 on copies of kos’ newest book, deciding that he’ll send lots of them anyway. That was pretty funny comeuppance.
I’ll buy his book if we can all join together and get out of this
candidate that we all find abhorrent.
In fact, I’ll buy 5 of his books, and encourage
all Pumas to do so.
You need to first don a HazMat suit before entering the Kos site, even if you are only at a keyboard.
I agree. Backtrack’s followers sound like pimply faced teenagers on their blogs. MyDD is the same. It’s all whining and locker room talk.
When it comes to donating and voting, the pimply-faced bunch are not reliable.
I’ve been watching the reports of the DNC not reaching their goals and now Gumbi is starting to feel the pinch. There is a reason why it’s called the Democratic Suicide Train.
Obama’s great money machine has raised only 100,000 to retire Hillary’s debt.
Amazing..
Maybe more like thrown under the bus.
All disenfranchised former Obama supporters are welcome here at No Quarter. Help us to nominate Hillary and send a message to the DNC.
When do they release June fundraising results? I’d like to know how Hillary did.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/contribute/IJ97
I’d like to know how Obama did too. Anyone heard?
. . . fundraising results supposedly due by mid-month. It would be funny if Hillary outraised him in June ‘08!
If the trend continues ~ down, that is ~ it will be his lowest fundraising month. Don’t have a link, but every month since February or March 2008, he has brought in less than the month before.
May’s number was $21.9M raised, but $26.2M spent! Attaboy! (ooops ~ racist statement)
I’d sure like to see a chart of In & Out since the first of the year. I’d put it together myself, but haven’t been able to find a source.
Hopefully, MSM will start to question why the number has fallen below $20M, but you can count on Axmeister & Co. to claim it’s because Sen. Obama (Numbnutz/IL) already had it wrapped up, so no big deal.
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usaproud:
Thank you for the info.
Follow the money. I agree.
The internal bitching amuses the hell out of me. Keep it up.
It’s hilarious that the Kossacks are killing their own. I also agree with Moulitsas for wanting to make Obama accountable. It’s unbelievable that the Obama lemmings are attacking him for not wanting Obama to win. They’re starting to act like characters from certain creepy novels.
It’s not surprising at all, because that kind of hatred and viciousness has no loyalty to anyone/thing. They just thrive on it, so they are going to turn it against any perceived enemy. It’s just like Bush: there’s always a Big Bad Boogeyman out there who wants to ruin everything, and it must be destroyed. Since they don’t have Hillary to kick around anymore, they will find another host to feed on. Ugly.
You are exactly right. The kind of viciousness practiced over at the Great Orange Satan just doesn’t dissipate overnight. The vampiric little bastards must have fresh meat to feed!
Like a pack of cannibals!
Lord of the Flies?
irony cleanup isle 1. irony cleanup isle 1.
It’s “aisle,” actually. But I’ll take your irony and raise you a bad pun. “Isle” and Lord of the Flies” and so forth.
Yeah, but we don’t want that bad ending.
We want to give the people who are
being clobbered an oasis where they can find R&R.
And we can all get together and get this cleaned up.
The more Kossacks who have waked up, the better.
Exactly. The bible pointed this out a long time ago:
‘As ye reap, so shall you sow’
I tried and tried to point this out to ‘Bonehead’ Bowers and Stoller over at Closed Minds OpenLeft.
They banned me.
Did the same at Corrente….
They told me to leave.
TalkLeft?
Armando no like me….fuck him anyway he cannot write a stitch, Bowers neither.
MyDD….
Need you ask? Jerome’s mind still works but Beeton and the other are all….
….on the payroll la Dee da!
The biggest revelation of this cycle is that when you try to use the tactics of ID Politics are win with ‘character’ you end up just like the Red Staters.
Droolin’ on yerselves while you howl at the moon.
Totally out of it.
The really stupid thing is, and I hold Markos personally responsible for this, is he knows better. He’s read Nonzero: The Logic of Human Destiny…he knows what John Dean is implying in his references to Alterman and his work.
Human brains are wired a certain way and much of the ‘new stuff’ the layers that led to civilization can be short-circuited by certain types of emotional and rhetorical appeal.
Thus….
Hitler.
Stalin.
Bush.
And if he don’t stop guzzling’ his own product, even Jay-Z ‘no betta Dan dat….
Obama
…rose to sudden and disastrous power.
For what remains of our nation’s reputation and the kind of country you want for you kids?
We’d better stop him.
I like the way you write.
Has rhythm.:-)
Yes. We damn well better stop him!
You must be talking about yourself and the other postes on noquarter?
Well, Elizabeth, I think A. Citizen was pretty damn specific about who he was talking about. You would fall under the John Dean’s Nonzero: The Logic of Human Destiny human brain short-circuited by certain types of emotional and rhetorical appeal. heading. Ahem.
I went to Kos to read what the Obamatrons are saying.
What’s interesting is they are panicking because they think Kos is trying to throw the election by withholding his $2,300 donation (like he is the Son of Messiah, or something).
And, they fear McCain will be elected if Obama loses.
I guess it either hasn’t occurred to them that Hillary still could be nominated at the convention and win the election, or they hate Hillary so much that is not an option in their minds.
GOOD cuz that’s EXACTLY how I feel about BAMBI~!
will NEVER vote for him!
NOT as CIC
it’s beyond hate at this point
Ditto. Everything about him creeps me out just because he’s EVERYWHERE. It’s not natural.
“That’s a huge problem for the Democratic party, especially since Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean have counted on Obama’s “cash cow” — and that was, I maintain, the main reason that Pelosi and Dean pulled so many strings and bent so many rules to crown Obama the nominee.”
“They may soon regret that greed clouded their judgment.”
I’m not a betting woman, but I sure as hell wouldn’t place a bet on “Jed, Granny and Jethro” coming to their senses anytime soon.
Nope. I’d bet money that they’ll only come to recognize the disaster of their folly on election eve.
love the “Jed, Granny and Jethro”. Thanks for the chuckle.
Obambi is rotten to the core, a professional con man.
God I mis Hillary!
2012 can’t come soon enough.
They’re turning on Moulitsas because they’re afraid that he is a harbinger of what is to come with other Obama supporters who have now opened their eyes to their Messiah.
I don’t Kos was ever that enthusiastic about BO. He just does whatever feels good to his ego.
I agree with LJ Markos was probably trying to hold Obama to some of his promises by using his clout.
When you sink like the Titanic it tends to make you crazy.
they are voting Kos off his own island, live by the sword, die by the sword=live by the cult, die by the cult
By voting Obama into office you will create a situation in which the center right will become the new left, and today’s left will become the far left, and today’s progressive agenda will be permanently moved off the table. He may be better than McCain, but voting McCain into office will not permanently eliminate progressivism from the political spectrum. On the contrary, it will re-invigorate it. Long term view or short term view? The short term view is myopic indeed. And it is exactly what they want to see happen. You will reward blatant lying on the part of your leader with undying loyalty. You want to reward blatant manipulation on the part of your leader with blind following. You want to prove them right - in more ways than one. They know you. They know how to manipulate you and make you grateful for the pitiful crumbs they leave for you. This year the only way for progressives to win - is to lose.