I Imagine That Denver Delegates Will See This RNC Ad
By SusanUnPC on July 8, 2008 at 11:20 AM in Barack Obama, Electability, Flag officers, Foreign Policy, Foreign affairs, Hillary Clinton, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Joseph Wilson, NATO, National Defense, National Security, Qualifications
This is the latest ad from the RNC. Unfortunately, it effectively encapsulates Obama’s flip-flops on Iraq as well as visibly displaying his hesitancy and uncertainty when confronted with the hard questions:
There is a reason that 30+ flag officers endorsed Hillary Clinton. See:
- “More Flag Officers Endorse …“
- “Gen. Shelton Endorses, Obama Thinks Rumsfeld OK“ (This includes the statement of Gen. Antonio Taguba who endorsed Hillary because of her strong stand against the use of torture. Gen. Taguba was assigned to investigate Abu Ghraib and had his career “shunted” by DefSec Donald Rumsfeld as a result.)
There still is time to nominate Hillary Clinton who has the experience and track record on the hard issues to match John McCain.
I have no doubt that, if it’s useful, the RNC will also make an ad about that one speech that Obama made in 2002, and the true story behind that ad:
See also, the true story about that 2002 Iraq speech, so little noted that it wasn’t videotaped or even covered in Chicago media, forcing the Obama campaign to “recreate” the speech, as reported by NPR: “The Staged Iraq War Speech & More “Creative” Embellishments.”
This means, of course, that we have to take creative marketing guru David Axelrod’s word for it that he really spoke those words in 2002. By the way, after that unreported speech — unremarkable because he uttered those words safely ensconced in a very liberal neighborhood of Chicago — Obama never lifted a finger or spoke out again on Iraq. That is, until it became politically useful for him to make a major production out of that single unreported, unrecorded speech.
Sadly, his followers haven’t reviewed the true history of that one speech, haven’t questioned the authenticity of its reproduction in a recording studio, and haven’t factored in that Obama didn’t make any further effort to aid the anti-Iraq-war movement, even when he joined the U.S. Senate — where his voting record is identical to Hillary Clinton’s, except that he voted FOR the ill-suited Gen. George Casey, while Hillary Clinton did not. … Joseph Wilson’s writings about his memories of those opposed to the Iraq War and Obama’s notable absence from any participation in lobbying against the war before and since joining the U.S. Senate [are a must-read].
We are certain that the Denver delegates, entrusted with a very serious task of nominating a qualified presidential candidate, will review writings such as these:
Former ambassador Joseph Wilson noted in an op-ed for the Philadelphia Inquirer, “Obama’s Illusions on Foreign Policy“:
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[Obama’s] entire foreign-policy claim that he would be a better president than Hillary Clinton rests on the slender reed that he possesses intuitively superior judgment, which would have led him to vote against the Authorization for the Use of Force in Iraq had he been in the U.S. Senate in October 2002.
What would Obama have done differently in the first gulf war from what he claims he would have done in 2002 had he been in the Senate at that time? In 1990, Saddam was deemed a threat by the first Bush administration. Senior administration officials threatened military action while working toward a diplomatic solution. Congress was ultimately faced with a vote to support the president’s approach. Some Democrats, including then-Sen. Al Gore, voted with the administration, while a majority voted against.
Obama claims that an antiwar speech he made while running for state Senate in the most liberal district in Illinois is proof of his superior intuitive judgment. But if Obama had been in Washington at that time, participating in the national debate, he would have come face to face with Secretary of State Colin Powell, the same Colin Powell who, as Gen. Powell, was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the first Bush administration, the one Obama wishes to emulate.
Powell would have told him, as he told the other senators he briefed at that time, including Sen. Clinton, that the president wanted to use the Authorization for the Use of Military Force resolution not to go to war but, rather, as leverage to go to the United Nations to secure intrusive inspections. George W. Bush repeated this claim publicly.
Would Obama’s intuitive judgment have led him to defy Powell while still remaining faithful to his fantasy of the “wisdom” of the Bush 41 foreign policy? Perhaps Obama would have urged a summit with Saddam Hussein, with no preconditions, as he has since proposed as a means to “transcend” traditional foreign-policy methods with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran. Secretary of State Jim Baker did meet with Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz before the launch of Desert Storm, but this meeting was for the express purpose of conveying to the Iraqis the military consequences of not departing from Kuwait before the Jan. 15, 1991, deadline. There was never any question of demeaning the presidency by an unconditional summit for the simple reason that presidents don’t haggle. That’s why presidents have secretaries of state.
In fact, Obama’s understanding of foreign policy is extraordinarily limited. He has had one job in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee: chairman of the Europe and NATO subcommittee. He has not held a single policy hearing in that capacity because, as he said in a debate, he has been too busy running for president. He has not even taken a fact-finding trip or provided any other oversight.
As to Obama’s self-promoted “judgment,” which judgment would that be? Would it be to follow the path of Bush 41: tough diplomacy backed by the threat of military action, as in the first gulf war? Would it be to ignore the rationale put forward by Colin Powell in the debate on the second gulf war? Would it be to vote exactly the same way Sen. Clinton did on war-related issues since he became a U.S. senator, which he has? Or is it simply to criticize from the sidelines with the benefit of never having had to face tough decisions with real consequences?
The next president will be presented with two difficult wars, U.S. moral authority at low ebb, and unprecedented complexity of our relations with the rest of the world. Obama has no record whatsoever, only his utter absence from his committee responsibility. His claim to be the one true heir to George H.W. Bush is a misguided illusion and no substitute for offering more about what foreign policies he would actually follow.
Read all eight of Joseph Wilson’s writings posted here at No Quarter with his express permission. Those writings include:
- “Legitimate questions of judgment, experience”
- “The Obama Campaign: Consent of, or Contempt for, the People”
- “Smears and Tears: How Obama’s National Security Week Turned Into the Mendacity of Hype”
- “Obama’s Shallow Credentials on National Security Are Dangerous for the Country“
At the immediate moment, our chief concern is ensuring that we Democrats nominate a candidate who the American people will find experienced and knowledgeable about foreign policy.

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Will Obama SWEAR to NOT pardon Tony Rezko?
and swear not to”commute” Tony, Nobama’s Moneyman, Rezko…
It can really concentrate your mind and serve as a supreme motivator. If you don’t get elected president then you don’t get to call off the attack dogs. . .on yourself.
Think of the stakes he’s playing at. If he doesn’t get elected president, he could end up going to jail. Maybe even if he does get elected–although less likely…
Think harder Homer.
ah ha hah ahhah
obama is such as idiot…
ah ah ahahh ah
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
That made him look like a retard. Whats up with the DNC. They must want to loose or something.
Darryl,
The word is not “loose.”
The conservative fringe was always good at checking spelling and grammar too. LOL They also couldn’t run a country.
Wild Child, you rock my world.
They don’t mind offending people with words like “retard” either ….
I recall this came up a few times. “Retard” is offensive to some people. Please use fk-tron, twat, wanker, douche, idiot, poop alien, dumbass, or anything else that comes to mind.
Oh man…guilty as charged. Haha.
You know, I think “your” right!
Yes it is Uhhbamas morals and understanding of the nation that is loose, the DNC wants to lose
thanks for the lesson believe
now go find some fairy dust and think good thoughts….
Believe: any particular reason you feel compelled to correct someon’s posting?
They thought at least he would be their cash cow in their messiah… but now the milk seems to be running dry. too bad. That’s why they are trying something “unconventional” by doing a show at Investco field for $5 a pop. Sad really, democracy does have a price for these clowns.
Rick James says, “The milk’s gone bad. I wish I had two more arms, so I could give these titties four thumbs down.”
roflmao GREAT ad, but too bad they didn’t add this at the end, it would have been perfect.
“Obama “REFINES” his position on the Iraq War.
Thursday, carving out a nuanced military policy after saying earlier in the day that he might “refine” his Iraq approach.
“I have always said that I will listen to commanders on the ground. I’ve always said that the pace of withdrawal would be dictated by the safety and security of our troops and the need to maintain stability” Obama told reporters.”
Oh and I love the sigh at the end, like “omg, this is too much stress.” Give me a break, this man is way out of his league.
Considering that Obama is known for being a spell binding speaker, the ones that look like idiots are the RNC.
hmmm so the black arts are involved? I won’t argue with that.
Make that “spell binding” teleprompter reader. Get him off prompter and it’s “uuuuuuuuu…….ummmmmmmm….uhhhhhhhhh…….ummmmmmmmm…..”
Ah ha ha ha
that’s funny.
Chickenshit bambi a spellbinding speaker.
heh heh heh. I know I shouldn’t laugh.
That purple koolaid is toxic.
Brain damage isn’t funny, poor bambibots.
What are you smoking?
that’s a twist. Obama looks like an idiot and you blame the republicans? lol! how long do you think that tactic is going to last?
you are a fool for even supporting this guy. he is a clown, an imposter, can’t speak without his teleprompter.
ha ha. the shine is wearing off the pig. can’t put lipstick on him, either.
Deval Patrick of Massachusetts had a reputation of being an inspiring speaker…look what happened with him. He hasn’t done squat.
Words don’t matter unless you have something to show for it. Obama has NOTHING in his record showing he serves the people. In fact, he shows just the opposite. Look at his ties with Rezko. He didn’t care about the district he represented. He cared about advancing his political career.
I realize Obama supporters hate being wrong, but you’ll learn to leave with it.
BO’s sigh and little laugh in the end is like dubya’s condescending snicker. Dubya and BO, tweedly dee and tweedly dumb.
He didn’t look so “spell-binding” there. Reminds me of Harry Potter. If you’re a wizard, why do you wear glasses?
Spell-binding. I would think if his followers realize that he’s casting a spell they would want to get away. But look at Jim Jones he was a spell-binding speaker too.
Enjoy the kool-aid.
he truly is a fucking idiot.
Denver Delegates will be hearing inspired words from Barack that your children will be memorizing and reciting in class along with the Gettysburg Address. What have you anti-Obama supporters got?
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You’ll have a better shot finding a job at Burger King and moving out of your mom’s basement before that happens.
I’m surprised the DailyKooks types are petitioning to chisel Obama’s face on Mt. Rushmore.
Why do NQ folks always make things up?
I agree. Move out of mom’s basement? Ha Ha Ha Ha who are you trying to kid?
The problem with your posts is they sound so cult-like. Scientology to be specific.
Why is it that you refuse to discuss any substantive issues or answer any questions on specific policies of your beloved Obama? Instead, you jump on to the next new thread and make multiple posts about what a great speaker he is. Look up William Jennings Bryan as to how far a glib tongue can get one.
I am still awaiting your answer form previous threads on these particular issues:
How will Obama’s healthcare plan benefit sole proprietors, small family business and especially thinly funded start-up companies (which are the traditional engines of economic growth and new jobs) that do not have access to traditional employer based health care plans that Obama is focusing his energies on?
What well established Supreme Court precedents have been overturned by the Roberts court?
How will defunding NASA for five years, as Obama proposes, not have an impact on leading edge research or jeopardize global leadership in scientific exploration and discoveries? As most new jobs are created from new industries, do you believe that defunding NASA will not have a negative effect on new job growth, especially high paying jobs in the technology sectors?
Health Care Question:
Employers will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan. Small employers that meet certain revenue thresholds will be exempt. Those employees are then eligible for the National Health Insurance Exchange that says that insurers would have to issue every applicant a policy, and charge fair and stable premiums that will not depend upon health status.
Supreme Court Question:
Partial Birth Abortion Ban, Bong Hits for Jesus and the Seattle and Kentucky school integration cases all reversed previous court precedent. And this has been in a short time and shows a hint of what a long term conservative majority could do in the next 20 years.
NASA Question:
Obama has said he would scrap Bush’s moon-to-Mars project, otherwise known as the Constellation program. At an estimated cost of around $100 billion (laughably low in my opinon) to send manned space flights to the Moon and Mar. Obama, however, does support NASA’s development of the Ares 1 and Orion, completion of the ISS, robotic space exploration, and climate change research.
In other words, Obama’s health care plan creates a burden on employers to fund health care cost for non-employees by funding a national health care plan. That is classic income distribution and will add yet even furhter to the built in cost of goods and services sold by those employers, erode their competitiveness in international markets leading yet to further off shoring of jobs and increased unemployment at home.
Obama’s plan creates yet another entitlement in the federal budget. Current entitlements are 65% of the budget and quickly rowing. The government needs to issue debt held by foreign governments to fund entitlements.
$100 billion as an investment in science and cutting edge research and development that has a long term payoff in new industries and high paying jobs is a drop in the bucket, less than 1%, of a $13 trillion economy, especially in view of the competition in this area arising from China and Europe.
Of course, with any move to universal health care there are going to be entitlements. How else will you get to it? Locking poor people in prison?
Of course, tax credits and and an incentivized private insurance market with increased competition to drive down policy rates will give more people even better care as plans start to compete against each other to provide more features without bloating the federal budget with even more entitlements.
So those that cannot afford private insurance - even after tax credits?
Ever heard of Medicaid?
intelligence, integrity, honesty, common sense, experience. Will that take precedence over so called eloquence?
You mean plagiarism?
Just words…..
LOL!
A good strong grip on reality. Unlike you, apparently sweetie.
brains would be my guess
The junior senator from Kenya for President.
You folks really are a bunch of Republicans, spinning and oversimplifying. You can always clip a line here or there out of a longer paragraph to make thing look different they are.
And what’s the complaint, anyway. Do you want consistency in the face of changing circumstances, someone who will never reconsider how to achieve a goal? That’s President Bush’s approach.
In any case, Obama has been consistent. Try to follow this, because it’s not oh-so-simple.
He will withdraw troops but he will look at the circumstances on the ground. And he’s said this for months on end.
It’s a consistent message about how to proceed.
And that’s not complicated unless your goal is to not understand and to interpret everything in as negative a way as you can.
Interesting argument you made there to justify BOBO’s Flim Flammery. (Paraphrazing) it’s Ok for BOBO to Flim Flam because Flim Flamming is what the ever changing world demands. LOL you should make that into a commercial.
Over-simplifying again. Or perhaps you really do prefer a president like Bush who can’t change with changing circumstances and who makes promises that include no discussion of the need for adjustments based on REALITY.
Maybe that makes you feel safe, the idea that someone can make a promise that doesn’t talk about needing to make adjustments when needed. Obama promised to consider actual conditions.
Occam’s razor –
This is often paraphrased as “All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best.” In other words, when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities. It is in this sense that Occam’s razor is usually understood.
Yeah, I know what Occam’s razor is. And in this case the simple explanation is that proof is provided by the fact that Obama’s said the same thing at least back to September 2007, nine months.
IF I wanted I president like Bush I’d be supporting BOBO. Bush went back on the promises he made to his cult like following too.
hey simpleton: simple is as simple does.
obama is simply not acceptable. he is a simple man with a big fucking ego. watch out, he will swallow you up, just like all the unthinking obamabutts.
Vote stinky for president! Wow, what a guy. a stinky man with a silver tongue.
that silver tongue will not ever beat the man with the Silver Stars.
No — I want a president who has principles that are non-negotiable — Obama doesn’t have them, as he has shown again and again (FISA, public funding, gun control) that he has none.
Yeah, consistantly changing.
It’s almost 10am on the west coast, what’s Obama’s position on Iraq and the 2nd ammendment? It seems to shift every few hours, depending on who Hussein Obama is talking to.
He’s always said the 2nd amendment is an individual right. It’s in his second book and that’s what he taught at University of Chicago Law.
Too bad there’s shit loads of video of Hussein Obama going on and on about how consitutional the DC gun ban was, lol. Nice try to reinvent history though.
It’s what I do.
Well, thank you for finally admitting it.
Obama also said he a few days before the Heller decision came down that he supported the very DC gun ban that the Heller decision declared unconstitutional. Is he fully supportive of the Heller decision upholding individual rights and still believes absolute bans are constitutional?
Still has to prove US citizenship.
Where is proof of McCain citizenry? Why have issues about Obama and not McCain?
He also does not have to prove anything to you lot. You have already said you will not vote for him.
You are an ass. Are you saying every child born on every military base throughout the world is not a citizen? And yes, if there is even a possibility that barky is not a citizen and he’s running for POTUS than he must prove it. You wanted Hillary’s taxes and got them, you wanted Mccain’s medical records and got them so suck me sideways and pony up the BC you hypocritical hag.
Actually, there was much debate on whether or not McCain was eligible for office. It turns out he is, but the issue was given serious consideration.
First off Bush is not the issue hear. As your supporters have said many time, “anyone is better than Bush.” To try to compare yourself to bush and act like you are better, is like comparing yourself to a dog–its a given, not proof you can do the job. Even if you were the same as bush, it wouldn’t make a difference.
Second, Obama has NOT been consistent. There is ample proof that he has “changed his mind” on a number of stances. This is not negative, you are just unable to face reality.
Obama isn’t going to give you the inspiration to get a job or improve your life. That is up to you. To hold your dreams and hopes in the hands of one mortal man is at best subordinate. You are allowing yourself to be fooled. You won’t see it untill it is too late. Grow up and stop living your life on someone elses shoulders.
And no one ever said he would. Straw man argument!
Then exactly what is all that spell binding good for then?
So your saying that his “hope and change” platform is a staw man argument. Thanks! At least you got that much correct. And that was the point of the arguement, glad you got that.
What a simplistic point of view you have. But it’s good to know that you just, you know, misunderstood Obama’s views. Although, frankly, it’s hard for me to believe that you really thought that’s what he meant.
LOL I never thought BOBO meant Hope and Change when he said it
How can you “think through” what a person meant. They say exactly what they mean. What he said is what he said. You can’t rethink for a person. Give me a break! LMAO.
Didn’t you know, Darryl that ESP is a byproduct of drinking the Cult-Aid? Obama supporters become mind readers, so they know what people “meant to say”.
Bush’s guys spent a lot of time telling us what he meant to say too.
Apparently, people in Michigan voted for Obama telepathically.
Yep, elect Obama — the guy who isn’t going to improve your life. Because that isn’t the President’s job, right? To improve this country and the lives of its citizens?
so then what has changed in Iraq this past week that caused Obama to change his mind of the past 6 years? please it is so obvious you are the intelligent democrat, do tell us.
***crickets***
He hasn’t changed his mind. He has always said that he would take account of conditions on the ground and make tactical decisions accordingly.
See this, as it has the transcript a 9/26/07 debate where Obama said the same thing as he said Friday.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/03/1182955.aspx
Exactly, so did Bush. BOBO isn’t getting us out of Iraq.
My butt hurts.
get off of it more
Nope. That’s not what Bush said.
“Any further drawdown will be based on conditions on the ground and the recommendations of our commanders and they must not jeopardize the hard-fought gains our troops and civilians have made over the past year,” Mr. Bush said.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2008/03/iraq-080319-voa02.htm
It seems to me that we are the one providing the evidence while Believe gives more rhetoric. Absolutely amazing.
All I can think of is that he is one of his supporters that 1. Never paid attention to politics before Obama. 2. Is young and doesn’t “remember” the past because he wasn’t again “paying attention”. 3. Is just a complete and utter failure in the long term memory department.
Her name is believe. Faith doesn’t require evidense. It only requires a god to worship. LOL BOBO is the one.
Drawdown not removal
Semantics.
At least this was Bush’s position since 2003. Hussein Obama hasn’t kept any position since 2003.
good try - go back a little further when Obama said he would start “removing troops on day one” when he had no concerns for anything but his words and winning the election. It was Hillary and McCain who said it needed to be done “responsibly”. But of course they were the bad guys.
From the transcript.
“I would immediately begin that process. We would get combat troops out of Iraq. The only troops that would remain would be those that have to protect U.S. bases and U.S. civilians, as well as to engage in counterterrorism activities in Iraq.”
There is no I would reassess the situation, or I might change my mind. He says he would IMMEDIATELY begin the process, but do it in a carefull manner.
that is not the same thing as
what he is saying now. He is now saying that he will listen to his generals and keep his options open.
Keep WORMing away, but Obama said 100s of times that all troops would be out of Iraq in 16 months after he took office. I heard it with my own lying ears. That isn’t at all what you (and he) are saying now.
Believe…
I liked you much better when you were just a dumb ass. Go back to the white sheet comments from yesterday please….
We like our trolls to be oh-so-simple.