Negotiating Democracy: Brazile, Obama Plot to Keep Hillary off Convention Ballot
By iam0nly1 on July 11, 2008 at 8:00 AM in Barack Obama, Democratic National Convention, DoD, Donna Brazile, Hillary Clinton, The Denver Group
Obama and his minions are planning on staging some political deja vu by preventing Hillary’s name from being put into nomination, much in the same way Obama forced out Alice Palmer. Seems he feels he can only win elections if he runs unopposed. Not surprising, considering his enormous lack of experience and a resume thinner than Kate Moss.
Except, this time, there is no legal pretense, just his own blind ambition and ego that demands a 76,000 seat stadium and a speech in front of the Brandenburg Gate in Germany before he’s even the official nominee, much less the president.
Here are his minions, including the infamous Donna Brazile, trying to explain how following Party legalities and requirements would be too much of a blow to Obama’s ego [H/T to Riverdaughter]:
The problem is “there’s a strong feeling” that Sen. Clinton’s delegates need the chance to vote for her, Mr. Devine said. Many are still angry with a party decision that they feel deprived her of delegates from Michigan and Florida. “You don’t want a situation where anybody feels they’ve been cheated,” he said.
A second option would be for Sen. Clinton to be nominated, complete with laudatory speeches and happy floor demonstrations. By prearrangement, Sen. Clinton then would take her name out of consideration and endorse Sen. Obama’s nomination.
“There’s nothing symbolically wrong to putting her name in,” followed by a scripted withdrawal, said Ms. Brazile. But the spectacle of a rapturous welcome for Sen. Clinton would be irresistible to television and could embarrass Sen. Obama.
~snip~
The Obama campaign said Monday that the Illinois senator would accept the nomination at the 76,000-seat stadium where the Denver Broncos football team plays so that thousands of nondelegates could attend. But the campaign hasn’t settled other key questions about the convention, including whether Sen. Clinton’s name will be put into nomination, said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.
Sen. Clinton’s campaign office didn’t answer emails seeking comment. Under party rules, Sen. Clinton’s huge delegate count gives her the right to put her name into nomination. “But do you do it?” asked Ms. Brazile. ”Politically, does it heighten tensions?” [emphasis added]
First and foremost, the “problem” isn’t that we, Senator Clinton’s delegates and her over 18 million supporters, want and deserve the opportunity to vote for her, the problem is that you all see it as a problem. And you’re damn right that if we don’t get the chance to vote for her, we will not only “feel cheated” we will have been cheated. And trust me, if we are cheated in this way, compiled with the other numerous injustices of the primary, there will be no unity. Not now, not in November, not ever.
Second, under no circumstances will we accept some sort of “prearranged” condition under which Hillary is forced to remove her name from consideration so that the Chosen One may be exalted. Democracy isn’t a damn dog and pony show! Both names should be put into nomination. Hell, throw Edwards in there too. Speeches should be given and all delegates, automatic (super) and pledged, should be allowed to cast their ballot. Anything less is not Democracy. After all, Shirley Chisholm, the first African American and the first woman to run for the top spot of a major party received 152 votes on the first ballot and during the roll call in 1972 and she did not even win a primary state! For Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and her delegates to not be given their earned opportunity and voice is unthinkable.
And as for you, Donna, I don’t give a rat’s a** what does or does not embarrass Obama. Frankly, his unbridled ambition, and inability to form a sentence without the aid of a TelePrompTer should already be embarrassing.
Embarrassment is one thing and injustice is another.
It is inconceivable that there is even discussion of not placing Hillary’s name into nomination. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is the first woman to ever win a presidential primary or caucus contest. Beyond that, she is the winner of the popular vote and boasts a significant delegate count. Indeed, she would be the pledged delegate leader but for unscrupulous and undemocratic happenings at the Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting.
Moreover, I thought we were against “changing the rules in the middle of the game” Donna?!?! So why are there even questions when clearly, “under party rules” Senator Clinton has a right to put her name into nomination? If he’s won, then he’s won. Why the need to fix the convention and subvert Democracy (AGAIN) because the Almighty Obama won’t be fully and unequivocally worshipped? No need to answer, Donna, we already know the answer: BECAUSE HE HASN’T WON DIDDLY, FRIGGIN SQUAT!
And just in case you didn’t know, 76,000 chanting sycophants on constant kool-aid IV drip will not be enough to silence the millions of Hillary supporters. We can smell what you’re cooking from here Donna, and it stinks to high heaven.
Now more than ever, we all need to be working with The Denver Group to ensure that there is an open, free and truly democratic convention.
The goals of The Denver Group are simple:
1) An open convention.
2) Senator Clinton’s name placed in nomination. No symbolic roll call vote.
3) Speeches allowed by supporters of Senator Clinton on
behalf of her candidacy.
4) A genuine roll call vote with Senator Clinton as a legitimate candidate.
5) No coronation.
It’s a damn shame that grassroots organizations have to formed to ensure that the Democratic Party is indeed democratic.
I’m plotting to keep Obama out of the White House.
HEE HEE HEE HEE
Good one! PUMA!
RIGHT ON DITTO and did I mention???
I HATE DONNNNNNNNNNNNNA HAZELNUT!!
SHE HAS RUINED A WHOLE COUNTRY FOR MANY OF US!!
Just like Bush and Rush have ruined some pretty decent Metal Bands I once enjoyed and even SAW Gaven in concert!!
ruined now
lol
but really they R!!
Yes, let’s plot away! As long as donors keep a stranglehold on the money, he will continue to choke. And then in November, our votes against him will make Jesse Jackson’s solution seem so kind and gentle.
2008 Contributions to Obambi’s campaign in millions:
Feb —— $55
March —- $41
April ——- $31
May ——- $22
For June, July, Aug, Sept,Oct Obambi wants to raise $450 million.
That’s $90 million a month from June to
Nov.4.2008 !!
The only person I know that can raise that kind of money is Rezko’s and (formerly) Saddam’s billionaire buddy Auchi, lol.
There has been speculation and whispers that donations are coming in from middle eastern countries in amounts that are low enough not to trigger a vetting process ( ie.hundreds and thousands of donations in small amounts paid for under single credit card numbers).
I smell something stinky folks and I also expect somebody is going to dig a little deeper on this.
Obama’s campaign projected a $100M June.
Looks like it’ll be $30M.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/what-happened-t.html
Funny how Obamabots are claiming they’re not donating to Obama because they don’t want to help Hillary - but the REAL REASON is - they’re broke.
Those summer jobs don’t pay so well.
I think the reason Obama raised so much money in Feb. and March is that many Democrats felt that it was hugely important to defeat Hillary, because she would’ve been so easily defeated by the Republicans.
Knock knock, anybody home? Hillary, easily defeated by the republicans?! Are you on drugs? Obama is the one that is going to get his ass handed to him on a platter, not Hillary. Hillary could easily win!
Indeed Miss Brigette! They are “stupid on the koolaid”
what do you expect? lol
And just coincidentally, the Republicans gave tons of money to McCain and the RNC as Obama’s fundraising figures dropped off.
Perhaps the biggest reason was Barack sounded and looked good back then.
yep…..but he was getting the white glove treatment, too.
But I agree.
He’s out of his league, in my opinion.
What you are smelling is the stench of of Alsamaare in hiding with the $2 billion dollars he is hoarding.
“2008 Contributions to Obambi’s campaign in millions:
Feb —— $55
March —- $41
April ——- $31
May ——- $22
For June, July, Aug, Sept,Oct Obambi wants to raise $450 million.
That’s $90 million a month from June to
Nov.4.2008 !!”
His math is scary. This in itself is funny, but the way he is promising to spend money for this and that is scary to me as a taxpayer. Obama should not be allowed to run until he develops basic math skills.
And Donna Brazille…we should demand CNN take her off the air!!!! She needs a class in basic Democracy!
No, she needs a foot up her ass and a few years of doing menial work (picking row crops comes to mind) to charge up her humility battery.
READ THIS, Written by Donna Brazile on NOV. 5, 2004. “WHY AMERICANS HATE DEMOCRATS” How To Tap Into The Obama Factor. http://www.slate.com/id/2109328
He’s including donations to the DNC in that $450 million amount.
Another sign of the merger of the Obama/DNC campaigns.
His own supporters are to blame for his lousy fundraising this month. Hillary’s big doners were maxed out. They could not retire her debt. They could, however, contribute to his campaign.
The abysmal amount he raised for her is a clear slap in their faces, and I’m sure a large majority will just go spend that money elsewhere rather than donate to this farce of a unity show.
So they have only themselves to blame.
At my gym last night, there’s a cop who works part-time security at my company who was working out.
We got to talking, and he knew I was a Dem because “you watch olbermann” (make that WATCHED)…he is very clearly a conservative, but he admitted he voted for HILLARY!!!!
Hillary WOULD have won in November!
I HATE obama and the f*ckers who pushed this illegitimate huckster on us! (but I’m a raaacist).
I’ve said on here before that I’m married to a Republican who was planning to vote for her. She definitely could’ve won, but she wasn’t the “Chosen One”.
Obama falling in Ras today —
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Will be interesting to see Gallup’s numbers this afternoon.
http://www.Gallup.com
Maybe this is why we haven’t seen “believe” around today since she puts so much faith in those poll numbers.
PEW has him up by 8, but I know nothing about that pollster.
I personally think he’s in trouble already.
Annin, Pew Poll is outdated and all of the others are too on Real Clear Politics except for Rasmussen and Gallup.
I love the Rasmussen one today where Obama is 1 point ahead of McCain, can’t wait for McCain to take the lead and he will.
So sad that they hoodwinked Hillary for she could win but Obama can’t and should not win.
Zolgby I know is pretty goofy. They have Obama ahead in AZ, which I feel certain is off.
Thanks for the info about PEW.
During the primaries, they had a great site which ranked all the pollsters and how accurate they had been. The difference is that it was primary by primary, so we could see.
Not possible now. If they get their assumptions wrong, then the poll will be off.
I use the RCP average as a result of that. It seems safer.
Zogby is run by Obama’s friend. I live in Arizona. Obama is not up. People here want to see him skewered or chopped up and fed to illegals.
Why don’t they take the high and low out of their averages? Anytime there is more than ten points between the highest and lowest numbers, the average doesn’t mean anything. During the primaries, the point spread was as much as twenty points or more with Zogby and CNN/Newsweek polls at the high ends. Why did CNN keep repeating the exit polls about race when the rest of their poll proved to be garbage? Survey USA is the only poll which consistently provides complete methodology.
Where do I MEET MEN LIKE THAT????
Arghhhhhhhhh!
Vote for whomever you want in November but PLEASE support Nader/Gonzalez efforts to get on the ballots and to participate in debates. Do this by sending contributions and/or signing petitions in your state. Even if he doesn’t win in November (because maybe you and others exercised your freedom to choose and chose not to vote for him) your early financial support as well as your signing petitions to get him on your state ballot-which btw will not lock in your vote to this candidate in November- you will help to pave the road and ultimately open the door for third party candidates to seriously participate in national debates and elections…We NEED TO HEAR THESE CANDIDATES SPEAK. Our founding fathers NEVER MEANT OUR COUNTRY TO BE A TWO PARTY SYSTEM ONLY. Do the right thing. Support Nader/Gonzalez NOW-whatever your reason(s)…
Here is MAJOR REASON why Hilary supporters (men and women, black/white/yellow etc…rich ,poor,middle class) are disappointed…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUq2VmHHrqg
Check this You Tube message. This voter speaks for millions of Americans-all races, male/female, many socioeconomic levels…She is well-spoken…
If Sen Clinton does not choose to run for president,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISYNRkoOxRc
we need a third party system in our country. We need to allow other groups to debate so that we can hear what they have to say and decide.
Help get these guys on the state ballots.
Help them get 10% support so that they can be allowed to join a google-sponsored presidential debate tentatively scheduled for Sept 18 2008 . Just to play it safe…help them get 20%!
Read about it on Nader/Gonzalez website:
http://www.votenader.org
Do the right thing. There is too much at stake in this election…
http://www.swans.com/library/art14/ga251.html
Also…support
http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/
Every donation counts- $5, 10, send what you can afford…
“Keeping the Democratic Party democratic.” That’s the motto of the newly formed The Denver Group. The Denver Group’s stated goal is an open, Democratic convention, with Hillary’s name on the ballot.
Their Web site says:
“To deny Senator Clinton a rightful place on the ballot in an attempt to foster a false image of party unity based on unofficial declarations by super delegates. It will fool no one and only create more disunity. It is in everyone’s best interest, especially the Democratic Party and its chances in November, to hold an open and honest convention.”
Forward these links (or this entire email message)to everyone you know.
PLEASE…stay attentive, focused, and active. Do it for the children…all the children. Help protect our country for their future.
I am not goint to encourge anyone to vote for these people…. reason
1. They cannot defeat Obama\
2. They could cost McCain the election
3. I want all PUMAS to vote for McCAin…
It is the most imortant act you will ever do in an election that the primary was fixed… We must send a loud message and elect all Republicans.
PUMAs aren’t all lockstep on our votes. We each will find a solution that reflects our own conscience.
I can tell you my own solution is to find good solid candidates, regardless of party label, and back them.
I’m done with Democratic Party loyalty. I’m done with partisanship thinking. I’m ready to see a real change.
I’m not going to give my vote to anyone based on retaliation. I will vote downticket and for the president that I think is the most qualified and has the most to offer the country.
There is one thing I do not regret and that is being for Hillary Clinton. She is awesome. I don’t intend to make myself uncomfortable just to make a point. Making a point is what blogging is about. My vote? Entirely too important for that.
AnninCa.
According to Henry David Thoreau’s essay, Civil Disobedience, a vote is a valid form of protest. When confronted with a government or political party not reflective of a citizens perceived best interest, disobedience to that party or government is the obligation that citizen. Thomas Jefferson made the same point, in different words, when he wrote the Constitution. When neither candidate reflexs my values, but one has achieved his position with total disregard for the traditional rules and courtesies, aided and abetted by the party leaders, would that candidate present more long term danger to me than the other? That is the real question. I’m inclined to believe Obama is the real danger, but as you pointed out, that is an individual choice.
agree
That’ll teach the Democrats! . . . to become still more like Republicans.
(If that’s even possible at this point.)
I’m not sure if I can do that. I really like Diane Feinstein. The next time she comes up for election I will vote for her again. I won’t vote for any other’s here. I’ve been told Arnold might be running against Boxer, that might not go well for her if he does. But, if Hillary is not the nominee I will definately vote for McCain.
I’m no longer declared so I get to choose the party ticket I wish to vote on. I think from now on I’m going to be looking at their records closely and only voting for those that do work with the other side on both sides. No more radicals on either side. I don’t mind Republicans being conservative on some issues, or Democrats being liberal on some issues. I just want to see and know they also work as well with the other side. Together for us all. Life is full of compromises, they need to get over themselves and know it’s no different for them.
honestly, only states in play for Obama have to vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee.
Since I live in a very red state, I can abstain with no worry that McCain won’t win the electoral votes.
I am sorry, but Nader’s egotism in 2000 is the reason we’re in such desparate straits today. Without his arrogance, Al Gore would have been president these last 7 1/2 years. I cannot vote for Nader… Instead, I’ll probably vote for McCain, in doing my small part in derailing the Obamabots.
-MS
I’m sure Donna will be quite happy to know that the
liepropagandastory is working. You see, Donna Brazile was Gore’s campaign manager and she’d very much like you to believe exactly as you do. It makes a great excuse for her own ineptitude, don’t you think?What ineptitude? Well, Big Al somehow lost his own home state of Tennessee, just as he did Big Dog’s home state of Arkansas. Oh-for-two, in what should have been easy wins — either one of which would have put Albert in the White House. Donna probably won’t remind you of that, though.
Plus, there’s the matter of roughly a quarter million of your fellow Democrats in Florida alone who intentionally voted for the Republican candidate. Just as some are already proactively planning to do this year.
Or you can believe what Donna tells you to believe.
You are right. The Dems and Repubs are pathetic. I could never vote Republican because of what they have stood for since the Reagan years when he started wooing the Christian Coalition. I despise everything the Repubs stand for, and now I feel the democrats are traveling down the same path. Let’s let the big corporations buy us out - who ever has the most money wins…
It is time for a third party, but it is also time that we the people take back our parties (both Dems and Repubs).
I really, really dislike the Republican Party too but I always felt that McCain was like a party unto himself — sort of an independent in their midst. This is why so many Repubs don’t like him.
I have always kind of secretly liked him and have no problem voting for him even though I could not bring myself to vote for others in his party.
That is exactly how I feel, too. There are a few Republicans I respect and only a few. McCain is one of them.
Keep in mind if you really have a goal to keep BO from the Whitehouse there is only one solution. Back the man who can defeat him. Nadar or anyone else has no chance in hell. So by sending your vote there is the same as voting for BO. You decide—- do you want to live under BO’s Dictatorship of rule and risk further terror attacks because other Country’s see Obama as too weak to defend us or will not so we are game to hit on and destroy? Wake up America we must have either Clinton as my first choice or McCain as second but never BO
read and educate yourself learn why at:
http://www.hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com
Honestly, I ask you all, if either Mr.the looser,Edwards, or Mr. fat a** Richardson, would’ve won the popular votes and 1906 (or more) delegates rather than Hillary, DNC or Obama would’ve had a nerve to ask them not to be on the ballot?? Please call DNC (202-863-8000) to make sure this is not going to happen to Hillary delegates in the Convention!
The one benefit of Nader in the debates is that we all know he will not hold back from going after Obama. I think McCain is going to hold back - just like Hillary in the beginning - so he doesn’t get labeled as a racist, etc..
On another note, anyone else get the e-mail from Hillary about the T-shirt contest? They picked a t-shirt design and if you contribute $50 you get the t-shirt and help pay off her debt. Here is a link that explains:
https://contribute.hillarycampaign2008.com/tsland.html?sc=1983&utm_source=1983&utm_medium=e
I’d also like to add that I’ve been discussing this campaign with a life long very conservative Republican friend of mine. He even reluctantly admitted that if Hillary was in the general, she would win. The Republicans know their chances defeating Obama are significantly greater, reason why McCain has been hanging low - expect the gloves to come off after the pep raly in Denver.
Wouldn’t it just be an awesome site if during his historically acceptance speech in front of thousands of fans and of course simultaneously broadcasted to many countries world wide, his teleprompter went down and he was stuck there having to finish without his prepared speech! It would be like Ashlee Simpson on SNL! Oh, what joy we would have .. I’m hoping for an electronic failure! I’ve got my Tivo ready!
Isn’t Keyes also running again? I think he’ll also go after Obama with a vengeance. They can’t use the race card against him.
I think I also should have written ultra conservative or ultra liberal stances so long as they also work with the other side. They wouldn’t very well be Democrats or Republicans if they didn’t have conservative or liberal ideas.
Please remember to join the Penny Protest. Go to this site http://www.hillarysupporters.com/PennyProtest.pdf and follow the directions to send a penny to the DNC. Then email PennyProtest@gmail.com so that this can get some press coverage if we get a critical mass.
Let Dean and company know that we do not support the nomination of an inexperience, arrogant and unpredictable nominee.
I am appalled that DONNA BRAZILE would even consider stifling the votes of 18 Million plus voters! THIS will assuredly DEFEAT Obama on his road to the Presidency if Hillary Clinton who “suspended” her campaign but did not quit is not allowed to be on the roll call! IT will certainly show that this is a PARTY of SOCIALIST PIGS and NOT of Democracy! Everyone as disturbed by this as I am fire off some letters to the DNC!
They know that there is more bad new on the way for the Obama campaign. They are afraid that Hillary might actually get nominated.
How thin are his margins with the SD if he has to worry about this.
It serves them right….they broke tradition and instead of having the convention in July, as would be the norm, they planned for their fix to be sworn in on the anniversary of MLK’s I Have a Dream speech….at the end of August.
Let them regret the eternity between now and then.
Let them sweat bullets that by then Obama will be so damaged by his own damned self becoming known that EVERYONE will be demanding Hillary be the nominee.
I know my son, a former Obama supporter now terms him “terrible” and won’t be voting for him.
Awesome. My spouse was a Clinton supporter who was going to vote for B.O. anyway, and now decided not to vote in the GE.
Especially when they see anemic numbers like this — http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Obama is barely ahead of McCain, who should be easily beatable. It’s 43-42, Obama up by one, if you don’t want to link.
Obama is sad. His kool-aid is getting a bit flat. The Rohypnol is wearing off.
If superdelegates did what they were designed to do (stop fringe destruction of the party with non-winnable candidates), they will all vote for Clinton at the convention because she is the only way the Dem party can now save itself.
Superdelegates were designed to be the super-conscience of the party, and not be bludgeoned or bought out to support another DNC trainwreck.
There is no better time for super-delegate king making than in this virtual tie between Clinton and Obama. They need to be neutral, step back, assess the realities that have emerged since the final primary vote was cast and do the right thing for the Democratic Party.
The super-delegates failed on every count.
Again, it is my contention superdelegates bailed out early because of their fear of another Chicago Convention mess once they understood the jack-boot vitriol of the Obama supporters if their candidate did not get the nomination.
They were scared out of their minds which is why they stopped thinking of the bigger picture and the facts on the ground: Clinton was the only winnable alternative.
The good news if they pull off this latest Nazi power rally stunt and deny one half of the Democratic electorate their rightful vote at the convention to support their lawful candidate Hillary Clinton, the storming of the barricades Denver will see will put the Chicago Seven into Disneyland Hall of Fame.
Brazile, Obama and company show every single day what rank amateurs they are. They are a disgrace to the Democratic party. The one year we should not have lost has been turned over to these pathetic hacks. It is no longer my Democratic Party.
Like NH has a change of heart at the last minute let’s ‘hope’ the super D’s change their hearts at the last minute too. Let’s hope they too find their voices like Hillary did in NH. Where is the backbone?
What is going on? The first woman to complete the primaries doesn’t get roll call? What on earth is going on? Our votes don’t count?
Everybody. Imagine what it would be like if they voted Hillary and Obama was embarrased like the thread story says. SO Fricken what?
Imagine this happening. All of sudden the convention stops dead in their tracks.
We need a Dem in the whitehouse and Only Hillary can win the GE.
Imagine everyone. Imagine what it would look like if the supers d’s found their voices. Imagine.
See it daily.
So Barzille knows what would happen because she can imagine it. She is trying to protect the illegitimate candidate.
I have to say this: they do not comply with Democracy and have Hillary on the first ballot roll call, then all of us storm and riot. Be ready.
The truth, why they plan this dirty trick is, Barack Hussein Obama (named by his parents),is a COWARD!!
He and his mentors/advisers are corrupt, deceitful ugly Americans.
The world is watching and this is NOT democracy.
Please God, do not let this injustice happen.Bring back sanity to the leaders of the Democratic Party.
God Bless America!
The Denver Group is having none of it.
The Denver Group is going after the DNC
Friday, July 11, 2008
The Denver Group First Ad Hits Chicago
The Denver Group’s first ad appears today (July 11, 2008) in the Chicago Tribune. We thought Chicago was the perfect place to start. For those who want to see a hard copy, it appears on page B5 of the Metro Section.
http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/
Yay! Denver Group!
When will this Twighlight Zone inspired coup finally end? What a terrible message to send to our children. How can they feel good about Obama’s candidacy if they have to cheat to obtain it. The whole thing defies logic.
I looked and didn’t see it. I rushed out of the house, I will check again when I get home.
The First Blast Of The Trumpet Against The Monstrous Onslaught Of Dean, Brazile, et, al.,
I’m lovin’ it!!!!
I’m going to Devner on Tuesday. Got my one-day plane ticket with Southwest, take the Denver Skybus and lightrail to the Pepsi Center.
I’ll be there and I will be heard. This was small change considering what is at stake.
Clinton 2008!
Please help out the Denver Group with any funds you can. More ads will help the supers realize we are not fringe, and we are not going away.
Thanks, Heidi and Marc!
Anyone ever thought of the ACLU? The way they operate is if they get a ton of complaints and phone calls then they will issue a lawsuit pronto.
They only act if everyone complains loud enough.
i sent this to donkey brazile and reminded her that “rules” are “rules”…….thats right, aunt jemimah.
I just read it and made me emotional for my beloved America. Obama is fooling & “hypnotizing” the people.The ad will wake-up the readers.There is a strong message in it and the Denver Group is doing a great job for the country.God Bless you !
Justice and Democracy!!!
Hillary is the rightful nominee!
God Save America !!!
What recourse is there to civil litigation of the issue?
Isn’t what DNC proposes illegal or are these details solely the jurisdiction of the DNC?
Does anyone know?
Internal workings of a political organization are not subject to the laws of the land.
Thanks, Scott.
Does that mean any dispute, like Ickes rebuttal at the RBC committee, has to be litigated by the next level of DNC administration, in this case I guess it’s the Credentials Committee?
And are the members of the RBC the same as the CC?
And if that’s true, we’re royally scr*wed. It’s like asking the police to police itself.
So what good are citizen protests like PUMA which are, apparently, dependent on BM coverage to have any impact and we all know HRC’s already been scratched off their newsworthy list.
Not trying to be negative. I won’t vote for His Snottiness under any circumstances but I’m trying to get a handle on how effective our opposition can be other than with the obvious recourse, in the voting booth. And even then I don’t trust the GE not to be rigged.
“So what good are citizen protests like PUMA which are, apparently, dependent on BM coverage to have any impact and we all know HRC’s already been scratched off their newsworthy list.”
Old adage the squeaky wheel gets the grease. It is only under pressure from us not just threatening but NOT voting down ticket for the dems that are responsible for this travesty can we change anything.
I thought a dem controlled congress would be a good thing but actions speak.
FISA passed with a dem controlled congress.
barky had a chance to be a leader and bring at least the dems together and vote it down. I didn’t realize when he spoke of reaching across the isle he meant he was going to join them.
So what you’re saying is that even if His Snottiness did win a rigged GE, it would be next to impossible to fix the elections of all down-ticket dems nationwide which in itself might send a message to the Undems?
I agree with the squeaky wheel gets the oil adage.
And I personally think it’s imperative those of us who are disgusted with the undemocratic party speak out, if only to ease our own consciousnesses that at least we tried.
Rigging the primaries is one thing. It was done out in the open and in our faces. “ROOLZE are Roolze. db
But rigging a general election is better left to the GOP they have their hands in Diebolds pockets and vice versa.
If you want to see how the election will turn out look at this. It’s a joke but probably pretty accurate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBrDzZCOQtI
After that the inner cities will be on fire and plasma TVs will be running down the streets.
Inner cities on fire?
Do YOUR bit for Domestic Tranquility. Go find a Korean grocer or bodega owner. Buy him a LARGE bore handgun and all the Winchester SilverTips your credit card will stand.
There’ll be peace on THAT sumbitch’s block!
Fred,
I bow at your feet.
We are talking of our country’s future in the hands of corrupt leaders. Are we in the Third World? Politicians are so corrupt they do their evil ways out in the open. Moreover, the devil went to their heads and killing is fun to them! One country is Obama’s cousin Odinga’s Kenya. Odinga killed the people who opposed him during their 2007 presidential election. I hope and pray, Obama is not getting advises from his cousin, a murderer.
Hillary, the rightful nominee!
PUMA goes beyond Hillary, though not yet. Once the convention is over, the PUMA and JUST SAY NO DEAL will shift focus.
This is about the party process. It obviously is corrupt and we need to demand change. Caucus problems, distribution problems, etc.
I can see an agenda that would take 4 years easily.
Yes. Watch the states he is now claiming he WILL WIN. Virginia, Georgia, Colorado. Who at the top in these states are coordinating the vote heist? These are the states that will need every election monitor volunteer that we can get to watch the precincts and vote count.
In particular, pay close election to Georgia and Mississippi. Obama has bragged that he will get out the black vote more successfully than before, but I wouldn’t put it past him to cheat.
Ickes e-mailed me that they will not be taking it to the credentials committee.
That is really disappointing. I think Hillary has thrown in the towel, but I hope I’m wrong.
It’s too bad someone hasn’t posted footage from the 1968 and 1973 Conventions.
So does this mean if a precinct chair commits voter fraud during a primary there’s no recourse?
I beg to differ!
But if that’s how its being interpreted, then perhaps they’ll hav no problem if we nominate Hillary at a separate venue, thenargue that she should be on the ballot!
LMAO!
It seems that any time a suit is brought against the party for “doing as it pleases,” the courts side with the party, citing that political parties can make their own rules (and choose to follow them or not as they please).
A legend in his own mind. This guy is just too much. I am surprised his head has not exploded.