Electability
By Ricki (NY) on July 16, 2008 at 7:35 PM in Barack Obama, Delegates, Democracy, Democratic National Convention, Democratic Nomination, Economy, Education, Electability, Florida, Foreign Policy, Gas Prices, Health Care, Hillary Clinton, Housing Crisis, Infrastructure, Michigan, Universal Health Care
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ELECTABILITY
I want a Democrat in the White House. At the Convention, the sole job of the delegates will be to select the person who is electable in November.
That person is Hillary Clinton. During the primary process BO did not “close the deal” with primary voters. The more voters got to know BO, the more votes Senator Clinton received. By the time she suspended, not ended, her campaign, she led in the popular vote, in the blue states and swing states needed to win the Electoral College, and in the polls against McCain.
She won convincingly wherever one-person-one-vote was the principle of the voting process; she did not prevail in the caucuses - one of the least democratic voting methods imaginable - no secret ballot, limited access, no absentee ballots…
Senator Clinton has the best, most progressive stance on issues of importance to Democrats - truly universal, affordable health care; sensible mortgage relief to avoid the dissolution of our communities; universal pre-k and greater access to high education; energy independence; investments in infrastructure, urban regeneration, stem cell research and other scientific explorations… she has the connections to and the admiration of the world leaders and populations desperate for strong leadership from the United States…
We know Senator Clinton’s record, her ability to bring people together, her intelligence, humor, and that she is a caring person who has worked unceasingly for women, children and families. We know that she understands the issues and nuances of the middle east and has been a proven friend of Israel and other democratic allies.
We know so little of BO, other than he rose meteorically from the south side of Chicago politics, and gives a good speech.
We know that he stood by silently as the media and his own campaign degraded women and the candidacy of Senator Clinton. We know that he encouraged undemocratic practices such as snatching votes and delegates in Florida and Michigan. We know that his associates and friends are not those we would be comfortable bringing home to mother.
Clinton delegates - please hold tight. Do not give up your seat or believe anyone who tells you that Hillary has conceded or ended her campaign. She has suspended her campaign. At a minimum, we must be sure that the Democratic platform reflects her values and programs. We want her to be nominated, speak and to have a roll call.
If BO is the nominee of the party, we will have plenty of time to decide if he has earned the 18 million votes and support of Clinton campaign volunteers.
If he has failed to “close the deal”, we will be there to remind the delegates that their only job is to nominate the ELECTABLE candidate in order to restore the White House to the Democrats.
GO GO GO!!!
BO has got to go
BO has got to go
Hillary is in it to win it
Hillary is in it to win it
Madam President is on her way!
So Sorry Rikki,
I read your emails throughout the primary but I would rather have a known REPUBLICAN than a terror lovin racist name Obambi. It is that simple…
http://www.hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com
Educate yourself read by web.
yep, i’m not reading it, i’m not clicking any of their links, i’m still fuming over the video posted earlier, and i’d rather see this site go off topic, back to discussing the war, the world and the corruption in (this) administration so i can continue to enjoy it here, rather than go this root of demeaning, demoralizing, advertisements from these people, whoever the hell they are, calling for us to sell out and sell our souls.
not doing it-
NO TO OBAMA
I agree that Backtrack can’t win without Hillary but I don’t want Hillary running as VP with that sack of doggy-do.
Hillary is so superior to him in every way. I’m hoping she will stay far away his corrupt ass.
NEVER VOTING FOR barackula!
I can’t stand him!
It was Hillary, or bust.
Now it’s mccain; republican for the first time in my life. Are you proud donna brazile, and howie dean?
No Obama ever. I don’t have anything to think about.
PUMA$ Who Donate Rule!
A new dictionary by Obama is coming out, primevally in order to help us understand his multiple positions on every thing under the sun, Here is what I found in it:
UNITY: DIVIDE AND CONQUER.
I personally don’t need any more time. I am not voting for him, and that includes if he picks Hillary for VP. To me that would be a travesty that would make a deserving loser into a winner. He would still be president. That is the most powerful job in the world. I do not trust him with my country or my life. And I CERTAINLY do not trust him with my rights as a woman.
I wish I had as much faith that the DNC will do the right thing as you do. I don’t think democracy or electability means a thing to them. They are Bought and Sold. Obama has run his Chicago bulldozer over them and even as we speak, Dean, Pelosi and Brazile are nothing more than hood ornaments to him. He has seized the party. For now. We will take it back in November. Just like we did the last time they tried a stunt like this.
AGREED….He won’t get my vote no matter what he does. I hope Hillary is not VP because it won’t make a bit of difference. I won’t have any part of it.
me neither. I sadly can not support hillary as bo’s vp..because doing so sends a horrible message to all women that it’s ok if the world views us as third class citizens. why should the more experienced candidate, one ELECTED by the will of the people, prop up a deficient, corrupt fraud like Obama? I will have no part in that injustice. if women do not stand up this year and make our voices heard now, we will be taken for granted over and over again. women typically won’t resort to violence…but the dnc will hear us loud and clear in november.
If Bambi doesn’t back up a truckload of $300 million to the convention he is toast because he won’t be able to live up to all the SD’s he bought off!
Where do you get the envelopes? I read about some prepaid…would love to participate.
I will never vote for a character that is so dishonest about who he is and where he’s been…Too many quilt by associations and just poor judgement and character…and I could go on..as one poster said…thanks to Coward Dean and Pelosi..I’ll be a Republican for a day in November…even if Hillary is on the ticket. He just cannot be trusted with my security and I don’t want him making any decisions as to the education of my grandaughter..
sadly they keep mailing them to me asking for money
What a great suggestion. Where do we get the prepaid envelopes?
I had to read that twice!!
It has been decided NO BO and NO to Hillary Clinton being his VP
Hillary Clinton for President
Go Hillary!!
Sorry, no disrespect to the writer but “we have plenty of time to decide” sounds like “we will get over it”. NO BO, not now, not ever. Sorry Hillary, even if you’re the VP. NO DEAL.
I will not vote for Obama–period. IF HIllary is the losers VP she would be blamed for everything that went wrong.
It now her fault people are no longer contributing the large sums to his campaign–BO can not accept he is no longer receiving the large amounts of money because people have figured out he is a loser and we do not trust him.
Can you believe they wrote that? is that not the biggest slap in your face insult to us as if we are brainless peons with no knowledge, no depth of understanding and no research under our belts?
is that not beyond insulting?
amazing-
I don’t think that was Ricki’s intent at all: she is being tolerant of the many different routes that people are going to take, and that’s everyone’s personal choice. She is expressing a commitment to Hillary–period.
I think so as well. This group seems to be focused on the convention right now and trying to get Hillarys platform and her nomination addressed.
The DNC will not officially give ground to a group saying my way or the highway, but we can rabble rouse and vote our hearts in November.
I think this group is attempting to serve as a conduit to the DNC. Lawd knows they dont want to speak to US, they just want our money…frakkers…
The DNC will not officially give ground to a group saying my way or the highway,
Isn’t that what Donna and the DNC hve been saying to Hillary supporters? my way or the highway?
but we can rabble rouse and vote our hearts in November.
I think leaving it to November is too late. We need to fight for Hillary now for official nomionee in August.
I agree - HELLO? Rikki is simply making an argument as she would to the supers - Electability. Why is everyone freaking out on her?
I don’t think bashing Ricky will do it, she has a right to her opinion. Our stance of going for a democratic convention is a mutual thing, she seems to go for that as well.
If we don’t succeed with that simple, democratic quest, we’ll just have to take the democratic party back in November. Punto.
I agree 100%. I will never, ever vote for BO. He is despicable.
I totally agree with Uppity Woman….Obama is, well I can’t find a nice word for it so I will stop on that… Clinton was different than anyone I ever remember running for president…I may have told this before but…
My 60 something year old husband would actually set down every time she spoke, I have NEVER seen him listen to a politician before in my life..( and he’s a republican)…people connect with her when she speaks is all I could figure…I enjoyed listening to her myself and I haven’t ever really liked someone running enough to try to catch all of their speeches like I did hers. America will miss their chance if Hillary is not the nominee…I think he misses me sending him links to watch a u tube of her…he said over the weekend, you know I still can’t believe she is not the nominee…I told him, you and half of America.
We will be voting McCain in November, I know it is just two votes but how many couples across America feel the way we do? I am guessing there will be a lot of them in November…Aren’t you?
“he said over the weekend, you know I still can’t believe she is not the nominee…I told him, you and half of America.”
I know. I’m still in some kind of suspended shock, not fully accepting that this is real. HOW can anyone let this complete novice (let alone the hypocrisy, arrogance, pandering etc.) get anywhere near the complexities of a global economy and a sophisticated military during war time???? This American Idol culture has lost it’s mind, literally.
I miss hearing her too and having hope for a better future thinking she was going to be in charge.
Sad.
My husband and I will also be voting for McCain!He to listened to Hillary’s speeches, debates, went to her events when her campaign was in town with me.
My very Republican Cousin–shared the other day Hillary was the best candidate she had ever seen in her 70+ years–she was planning to vote for her. She has never voted for a non Republican in her life–what a compliment to Hillary!
It is very sad: Dean, Brazile and that worm Pelosi destroyed the Democratic Process and the Democrat Party-.
Thousands of Men and Women have died to spread Democracy in Iraq and yet we no longer have Democracy thanks to Dean, Pelosi, and Brazile.
Not to worry, he WONT pick Hillary for Vp. What you basket cases do not get is that if Barack is not sucessful in November, Hillary Clinton’s career will end 2012 when she looses her Senate seat. She will NEVER be the democratic nominee….EVER….think about it, embrace it…become one with that fact
tell you what-
you run off now and learn to spell so you’ll know the difference between lose and loose and what their individual meanings are, ok?
Clinton is too High class to get a second Class Position. It’s President, or Nothing.
Obama will lose
LOL! You are obviously a moron. I live in New York State, and WE LOVE HER HERE! After winning her last race with 67% of the vote, I guarantee, if she runs for the Senate again in 2012 (instead of president), she will win by an even bigger margin. Bet on it dimwit.
Damn right! I’m a proud New Yorker and we love our girl. No way is she losing her seat. You’re just an uninformed dimwit who doesn’t know NYC couldn’t care less what they gossip about in DC.
I too am a New Yorker and can assure the doubters that Hillary will win every Senate seat or more, that she runs for in New York. She is loved and respected here and has continued to be an outstanding advocate for New Yorkers. All of them. And we in New York know this.
The naysayers are Obama trolls who spend their time engaging in blogging to spread their misery. It is totally naive to postulate that anyone with Hillary’s performance in this primary and the positive results she garnered are unimportant and falsely and foolishly claim her political future over in 2012.
The Obama trolls are at it again to discredit Hillary Clinton’s credibility no matter what. What is even more disturbing is that this group is encouraqed by Camp Obama.
What is even more disturbing is that Obama might become President.
Hilary will never lose her Senate seat
About the Hillary for VP discussion, all need to see this and know what is really going on. The obama camp is in real trouble and they know it - any who think it is impossible that they would “lower themselves” lol- to drag her down into their VP slot are not up to date.
A Must See:
http://unityindiversity-spiritedpolitics.blogspot.com
You’re right, she will lose her Senate seat in 2012.
When she gives it up after she’s elected President.
Buh-bye to your clown Mess-iah and the lot of you cultists. Tell Bill Ayers we said “hello.”
I can not be a loyal American and vote for Obama; there are just too many holes in his biography that they are trying to fill with cash. I have always believed that my duty is to put the Constitution above any political party.
It is, to paraphrase Martin Luther King, the content of a candidate’s character that is the most important and Mr. Obama has shown a ruthlessness against Senator Clinton and against We the People that does not bode well for Our Country. There is nothing he, nor any party, nor any government official can do to persuade me to vote for him. He is the wrong man for the job and the wrong man for the time and the wrong man for our country.
Thank you for saying what I have been thinking for awhile.
I cannot in good conscience vote for obama and at this point any democrat that endorsed him.
The new democratic party sold out America and her people.
COUNTY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMA RULES
Went to the together site and saw L.L Rothschild on Fox video. Very articulate spokesperson. Opened with “country more important than party” - so it sure didn’t sound like she’s pro-obama, but diplomatic - as another comment mentioned above.
Keeping in touch as a true Hillary base sure isn’t a bad idea. But if they censor nobama comments, that’d be tough for most of us- wouldn’t it?
Any Hillary supporter, in my estimation, who is willing to support obama - or do anything other than passionately work against him - is sadly ill-informed.
I agree with you both.
BHO is a totally unknown element being injected into the national scene of this country, and frankly in mho, does not make for a safe and secure america with him in the WH.
His pathetic attempts to giving a grandiose appearance in Germany at the Brandenburg gates is an atrocious attempt at megalomania. His total behavior in these primaries has been of those kinds of behaviours that are rigid as the islamists…especially where demeaning women and females are concerned. Islamist put women in the cateogry of “property” as in sheep, dogs, camels, goats, etc. They are not to be accepted as part of the european traditions that have taken hundreds and thousands of years to evolve into societies, cultures and mores.
BHO is as dangerous as another “0911″ happening to this nation…except it will happen in and to the WH.
well said, Uppity. I’ll never vote for him either. Whoever his VP is.
Obama has not seized the democratic Party. Obama is being used by the forces which have seized the party.
Civilized life (by which awkward term I mean to refer to the daily life almost every person who posts here enjoys; the infrastructure on which that lifestyle depends, the care, and freedom and scope of social intercourse which it provides) is a very fragile thing.
Few were the people of the nation of Germany in 1932 who tried to warn of the coming storms. Voices in the wilderness.
Institutions, movements and political parties get seized and used. Now, to put as FIRST priority, the regaining of such a seized element, ahead of standing for our sovereign nation and its Constitution, is a grave strategic error.
To address the as yet unknown situations (both as to presidential candidates and the geopolitical-economic context) of November, without first engaging the present battle to have Hillary Clinton fairly represented at the convention, is a grave strategic error.
Blog comments get directed and misdirected too, intentionally or otherwise. When intentional, there are people and teams expert in doing this. The author above is proven as one of Hillary’s most loyal and hardworking supporters in NY. The thrust of her work is to get Hillary represented at the Denver convention.
The enemies of the General Welfare (ref the Preamble of our Constitution) are using Obama, George Soros, Howard Dean, et al. to stop Hillary from becoming the nominee. If they succeed, we shall witness first hand what a fragile thing our civilization is.
Let us preserve the Union and the Constitution, knowing, as our great President Abe Lincoln did, that, so preserved, it shall prevail against its enemies, as the founders intended.
[To be clear, and to preempt diversion, I will not vote for Obama, and urge anyone and everyone likewise. He is in no way qualified to be president.]
I agree, you put it so well, uppity woman. NO WAY!
I was first drawn to Hillary because she seemed to be the Democratic candidate most likely to beat the Republicans. She still is!
I agree with you totally, Uppity.
With the selection of Obama I am convinced that the democrats love to lose!
Sure. It`s easier to sit on the bench than having to make the calls.
That reminds me of something Taylor Marsh wrote a couple of months ago: “Republicans get it; elections are about *winning*.”
Really, db? I guess the most recent polls which have Obama up by 8 points must really upset your paradigm.
oh, left the other thread and didn’t answer my question.
Is Obama’s health care plan universal?
Bill and Hillary stop the hate!
Only Kucinich had a truly universal single payer model, silly. But in answer to your question, no, folks aren’t legally mandated under Obama’s plan to enroll in a big$$ insurance healthcare plan.
Thanks silly!!
What to do? No universal health care.
Guess I’ll vote for OBush what’s the difference.
Obama does not have a health insurance plan that will put people in prison because they paid for food for the family rather than gave more money to the insurers who helped the campaign.
He does have a plan to mandate healthcare for children as well as the expansion of Medicare - which represents true universal health care.
McSick offers more tax breaks to those that can already afford health care.
Quit sounding so stupid. Social Security is mandatory, Medicare is mandatory. How many people are sitting in jail because they didn’t contribute? Quit acting like an idiot!
Voluntary measures would tend to enroll disproportionate numbers of individuals with higher cost health problems, creating high premiums and instability in the insurance pools in which they are enrolled. A twenty something or thirty something would see no need for health care if they are healthy which would also raise the problem of serious accidents or unanticipated illnesses. There is a fine under Obama’s plan if someone shows up at an emergency room without insurance, assuming he had any intention of pursuing that policy, but the taxpayers would end up with the bill. Hillary’s plan is detailed and meticulous about how it could
be paid for. It is a serious plan to which she has been committed for many years unlike Obama’s which was created solely for political purposes and will never see the light of day. Neither he nor McCain see it as a priority.
Obama has no intention of initiating any kind of universal health care or he would have made it mandatory for adults as well.
Elizabeth Edwards has been a strong advocate for health care reform and she has disparaged Obama’s duplicity on the issue. John Kerry says it’s a “non starter” which is approximately the same view he held in 2004. That was for catastrophic illness only. It is a disgrace to our country to have families who can’t afford to take their children to the doctor or go themselves which means they postpone care with sometimes fatal consequences. I refuse to accept any argument about costs or complaints like “Socialized medicine”. We can always find the funds for war and defense spending and what does that say about our selfish culture and lack of compassion for fellow human beings?
they are PARTIALLY mandated. why is that??
only children are good enough for a mandate?
how will Uhhbama handle parents who dont enroll their children adn violate the mandate?
At one debate when asked he said: uh we will handle it, adn Hil said you will have a form of deductions also like my plan,
he said maybe we will have them pay at the hospitsal!!
Hill said what?? you would wait and tells someone in an er you have to pay now?
it would be better to do nothing than to do partial mandate only,
they will have us in their hands, we will have to pay but not all in the pool, kids God Bless, mostly healthy and they will be able to charge whatever they want.
If ALL of us were in the pool we would spread the risk and LOWER the premiums
see the difference?
see Paul Krugmans columns on it he is the most progressive economist you could ask for.
More deranged Kool Aid perception. Which rigged polls are you citing–PPP? I notice you didn’t mention the Rasmussen polls that have him tied or 2 points ahead of McCain, and that Hillary and Gore are 8-10 points ahead. Besides, you clearly do not understand the bias of polling (see NH, CA, etc.) or the incoming assault of the 527’s pointed directly at your weak and wobbly candidate. They are going to make mincemeat of him.
p.s. Dukakis was up 17 points at this time and I don’t seem to remember a President Dukakis.
The recent polls …as of TODAY…have Barky at 4. something above McCain…the more accurate ones show him about three…that’s within the margin of error.
A democrat should be doing MUCH better right now.
False.
The two polls that show BHO up the most are both flawed. WaPo oversampled Dems and Quinnipiac called likely, not registered, voters. That means X-Boxers like yourself who will be at their school dances in November and won’t vote were also asked. Marc Ambinder of The Atlantic was just talking about this today.
Translation for the $7/hour crowd: The polls are a fraud. You’re guy’s still tanking, and nothing can save him now.
Ha ha ha!
What poll are you referring to this weeks Gallup Poll has OB with a 4 point lead which is within the margin of error.
From a historical prospective Dems usually have a huge lead which erodes by election day– so a 4 point lead spells big trouble for OB—thank goodness people are finally seeing through his lies.
At least other candidate have a plan–OB has the latest flip flop and a speech he gave in 2006!
I want a democrat in the WH too, but NOT BO! Hillary first, McCain second, BO NEVER!
Barcrack is not electable. Once the Republicans pry open his overly populated closet and let the skeletones out, and once they start using his stupid contradicting statements and lies, he is done.
On the other side you got McCain who is only hated by the far left and will not have the black vote, not enough to defeat him.
We SAW her pull together a formidable movement. Obama? That bunch jumped on because he looked good and sexed them up with big rallies. She won people over the way it should be done for staying power.
What I always respected was that this is more than even electability. What good does it do you to win the game if the will of the people isn’t behind you?
Obama is learning about that now.
A good leader has to be able to sometimes convince people that the ideal can’t be reached right this moment, that the compromise really isn’t a bad sell-out move and, sometimes, that right now is just not the best time for a good law to be implemented.
Obama? I just don’t see him ever convincing the majority of Americans to trust his judgment. Frankly, the way he tried to bluff us on the Wright deal dashed his credibility beyond repair. Great race speech, my foot. I don’t think most reasonable people needed any more than that fiasco to convince them that he’s not the right man for the job.
Hillary was the right person, but…….timing is everything. AA was sexy this year. A woman in pantsuits with a phenomenal grasp of the country’s problems and possible solutions……not so much. At least not in time, that is.
you got it anninca…to the media..aa is sexy, but a wonky 60-year-old take charge woman??? yawn. it’s absolutely not right…but that’s how the s-o-b’s view it.
Dems to Lieberman: GOP Convention ‘Last Straw’
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/lieberman_gop_convention/2008/07/16/113484.html
So what?If fellow democrates dont speak highly or campaign for Obama is consider what…A traitor?Wow..I dont I never seen a dictator in a party before……
Normal rules for a Political Party. If you campaign for the other side - you are out. Now is time to start enforcing them.
so Uhhbama should be out then right? He campaigned for Lieberman over DEM challenger Ned Lamont.
When is Chuck Hagel getting kicked out of the GOP again?
Joe whupped up on Lamont and the nutroots. Looks like he’s getting ready to do so again.
shryani- thanks for the link to the current Dem attack on Lieberman. Since when does someone get thrown out of the party for having the integrity and common sense to not support a particular candidate?
What is becoming of our (former) party?! This sounds more like the behavour of Mormons or pre-sixties Catholic Church toward divorcees. Since when is a political party - in a democracy - a fall-in-line or else DOGMA?!
Lieberman really needs and deserves the support of all true Dems right now - they are also out to defeat his Senate race- going against one of their own who has been a Democratic leader before obama ever stole his first state office.
Washington Post: Obama “Foolish” and “Irrational” and “Wrong” on Iraq
http://patriotroom.com/?p=558
Maybe next they’ll be calling for a grown-up like Hillary to take the helm.
I wish you were right. Which media Station would stick, there neck, out that far,as to say,the Democrats,made a mistake.Maybe if we paid a well known media station $$$$$$$$$$ they would say something positve about Clinton should have been the person nominated. Maybe we should contact
The New Yorker. They did a fabulous job last week.
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Politics%20and%20Culture.html
Polls indicate that the overwhelming majority of Clinton supporters (80%) support Obama.
This thread is clutching at straws.
I just heard that as well. It was only a matter of time.
That’s 3.6 million defections, and the GOP attack haven’t even started.
and which poll is stating this that Axelrod has paid off troll?
wait, he’ll go make one up….
Sorry but the latest polls say you are full of crap. But you know what? I’ll go with your 20% of 18,000,000. Only 3,600,000 people. No big deal right? Good luck with that.
that requires Bambi to find 7.2 million new voters just to break even
Graveyards be careful, Obama will make a rising…..lol
if the polls are tied between McCain and Obama, and 80 percent of Hillary voters are supporting Obama..what happened to the Obama supporters? Did they defect to McCain too?
Uppity…I remember it being said if Obama loses 2% of Hillary’s voters he will lose in November…It was said on MSNBC way back…you won’t hear it now because they are in d e n i a l…
LMAO!!
hey sleepy ,go bend over and —- yourself and leave us alone .come back in november when you have grown up and then tell us we are wrong and alone.
The number of PUMAS seems about the same number of disenfranchised voters in FL and MI. Do they even poll those 2 states? I’m guessing they don’t since they don’t care about their votes in the primaries.
No they don’t. I don’t believe any of the polls that have BO 8 pts ahead. Who are they calling? Geeze, Real Clear Politics hasn’t adjusted their poll numbers in over 2 weeks, just after they gave BO leads in questional states-like FL, where suddenly BO closed the gap with McCain at -2 pts. No way is BO going to take my state.
I find it hard to believe that that Many Hillary supporters are voting for Obama, not after the way he treated her. He is so arrogant and where is this money to help pay her debt. His campaign says it will be after the convention that people donate to her…….SURE…it is not going to happen. I would LOVE to see Hillary take back her endorsment of him, it would be a GOOD PAY BACK.
Again, which polls are you citing. That is absurd. ABC just did a poll last month that showed that MORE Hillary supporters had defected. Who’s clutching at straws?
And if you are so confident, what are you doing here. If we don’t exist, and will have no impact, why are your panties in a bunch?
LOL LOL Who did they poll?? LOL