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Media Summer Two Step (S)Election Rig

Summer Spin for the Nowhere Man features a smashing new strategy to win the hearts and minds of Hillary supporters. Having voraciously devoured her dignity, gone to all lengths to destroy her credibility and spending the Primary season obliterating all objective information about her Presidential candidacy, MSM has decided its time to give the little lady her due. 

CNN’s Friday, July 11, latest masterpiece in manipulation, indicates the degree to which the obama (I refuse to ever capitalize his name) campaign is worried. Giving Hillary more continuous air coverage, in this 60 minute special, than it ever did during the vote-getting season, the network hinted that Hillary deserves some credit, after all. While they pointed out (in their version) that, although she ran a terrible campaign which got off on a failing footing - due to her “arrogant” presumption of entitlement to office (a perspective the MSM, not Senator Clinton, generated) - it’s now come to light that the Clintons hold sway with millions of voters.  

Now, isn’t that an extraordinary insight we needed the world’s largest news network to make clear? And that being the case, it’s time to give this she-devil her due - for, without her, it appears their Golden Boy might fall short of their mutual aims. While the same evidently illiterate geniuses at work continue to blur all distinctions between Hillary’s platforms and Barack’s, they and obama’s conjoined Corporate cause has begun, at last, to realize his polling results are shakier, week by week, and that will not serve. A strategic new spin is, thus, demanded. 

 

And this one, as demonstrated by Andersen Cooper and friends, requires due deference to the more qualified Clintonher unswerving supporters and even (however demeaning to acknowledge) her husband, with his record of salvaging our Republic from the ravages of the first Bush. We really should give MSM credit due. It musn’t be easy to stoop to inviting back two genuine, intelligent Hillary supporters (not the backstabbers they usually prefer to include). Next, think of the editing gymnastics involved in juxtaposing these candid commentaries on the Clintons’ undying merits with enough punctuating invalidations by network anti-Clintons to convey their  real message. It goes something like this: 

What’s wrong with you people! We’ve been carefully applying our favorite technique- namely, to mesmerize all viewers with hourly repetitions of the same contrived ‘facts’ we want the public to believe- against their own best interests. How many times do we have to tell you that this campaign is over?! This is getting taxing (not on corporations, of course.)” 

“Time for the ole bait and switch sales pitchHillary is soooo great, she ought to be a lifetime achievement leader in the Senate. (After all, somebody’s got to actually work on the issues.) Or, just imagine - she could be Governor of the great state of New York. Just picture her, even, on the Supreme Court in one of those cool black robes. And, if there are any out there who don’t think Hillary deserves such authority (since we’ve been saying otherwise for months on end), for you, here’s our stylish twenty-something female AA probama ‘expert’ who even agrees any of the above should do nicely.  Finally, we’ll throw in our standard line-up of patriarchal women haters to remind you all - if you’re not over your emotional outburst yet, we guarantee by November, you won’t even remember what brought it on!” 

“Lastly, if we must, (and this segment issued, no doubt, ondirective of Axelrod/Hitler himself) we will cast her gaze and your own toward the Vice Presidency. Think of what a Hillary Vice Presidency could do for the country. Breathe a sigh of relief knowing, that if she can only follow him around closely, twenty-four/seven, our nation and the world might stand a better chance of surviving his lack of leadership skills. However, as spokemen for obama’s campaign (even as grossly overpaid as we are) we aren’t in a position of being held to this offer. If it comes, it could only be bestowed by the Messiah himself. And we’re sure you understand, he won’t even offer unless he is certain of an acceptance. Not by Hillary, for that’s a given, but by her voters. We now extend the possibility of this time-limited offer and highly recommend you accept it, before it is off the table. Should you refuse, we will naturally never acknowledge any commitment was given nor implied. In the meantime, we’ll dangle it as the latest worm on our hook and see what impact it has on the next set of polls before deciding whether to pursue it further. .  . . . and now back to our commercials for other useless, shoddy products you don’t really need or want.” 

The momentuously multiplying Just Say No Deal members,who just raised millions in a few weeks, may be asking:Won’t they ever get it? We are not buying. Free shipping, vote pandering, issue-switching and globally expanding publicity aside. This is not a product we want in our White House. Not even with the finest of window dressing. Not even with internationally televised speeches, given in historic settings after weeks of plagiarized compilation and rehearsal. Not even if mobama learns to speak French in a whisper and wear Jackie Kennedy costumes day and night for eight years running. Not even if secret new technologies send night-long near-silent subliminal signals, via our sleeping computers: “It’s over, it’s over, buy now or be sorry later.”   

Our answer will remain the same (in paraphrase of the wonderful witch from “Wicked”)  Whose to say we’ve been changed for the better? We only know we’ve been changed for good!”  We are and shall  remain . . . in one voice . . .nobama, noway, nohow.  

Ain’t it funny how Will Bower can say more worth saying in a matter of moments on Fox than all Humpty Dumpty’s men can manage in a full hour on CNN?!    

 

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Comment by Linda | 2008-07-21 13:49:50

Re-”While they pointed out (in their version) that, although she ran a terrible campaign which got off on a failing footing - due to her “arrogant” presumption of entitlement to office (a perspective the MSM, not Senator Clinton, generated) - it’s now come to light that the Clintons hold sway with millions of voters. ”

No, no, no. That was the talking point put out by Camp Obama…and looks like Robert Gibbs with Axelrod, that the media gladly went with. That was around the same time of “Hilly is not truthful” and “Hillary will say anything”….And, again I say, Camp Obama is like a BIG PROJECTION SCREEN. Just insert Barky where ever they put Hillary. Like his mentor Joe Lieberman and the NeoCons, they accuse of what they themself do.

Comment by Darryl | 2008-07-21 14:03:03

The clip was bias, and I can’t believe that guy let him get away with it. Hillary and Bill aren’t worth 100 of millions of dollars. They made 109 million dollars in a decade. Further more, she put some of that money into her campaign, and she is not asking for THAT money back.

How low has America gone that we can’t get HONEST people on the news anymore. What does it say for our children when they will be brought up in a nation full of hypocrits and liars, only interested in selling a fabrication.

Comment by Jackie | 2008-07-21 21:27:52

Yhea so that’s what Obama has revealed is that he is an underhanded out right liar…..That’s where the “Flip Flop” cliche comes from….

 
 

Comment by tish | 2008-07-21 14:04:20

more communist agenda from y our wonderful democratic party
Monday, July 21, 2008

Nancy Pelosi just said “yes” to the Fairness Doctrine that could muzzle Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and other conservative radio talk show leaders.

Pelosi is now clearly on record supporting government censorship of our free speech rights. She also insinuated that The Broadcaster Freedom Act wouldn’t see the light of day, and added there is strong, support for a revival of the “Fairness Doctrine.”

Our friends at the Media Research Center have launched a national petition to counter this and overwhelm her with a message that grassroots Americans want their Free Speech Rights defended and protected from government intrusion.

Already, over 100,000 citizens have signed. Please go here to have your name added to this vital petition.

Again, Pelosi made it clear that she will work to silence the voice of conservatives on the airwaves through the fairness doctrine.

Please take action.

Grassfire.net Services

Comment by Diana | 2008-07-21 14:46:12

 

Comment by Susan | 2008-07-21 14:53:00

I heard a while back that Barackula was against the Fairness Doctrine. Now that would only matter, of course, if I knew he’d stay against it, but he’s against it until he’s for it which Nancy should get him to do any moment now.

Honestly, I am surprised that they haven’t had PUMAs’ internet servers shut off by now! I’m sure they’d like to have a our cable shut off since we are watching FOX news, but they don’t want us to miss the sales pitch in case we turn on CNN.

I am glad I am a democrat (for McCain) and not a dumbocrat like the party leaders!

They make me sick. I just can’t see that I’ll ever be able to go back to the party! Only with Clinton ‘08 or ‘12!

The death of the democratic party is at hand. Hillary should run Independent now. In 2012 I think she’ll have to run in a new party so just do it now!

Pllllleeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssseeeeeeeeeeee Hillary, stop the madness!

WTF is going on this year!

We are all going to have to do a class action lawsuit against the DNC for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder!

Comment by Dawnelle | 2008-07-21 15:02:51

Will Bower and Larry Johnson will co-host Patriots and Puma News.

PPN yea! ;-)

 

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-07-21 15:11:28

Great comment Susan!
How do we know where Obama stands
on anything including the fairness doctrine.
If he gains power Obama will enforce a Brownshirt version of the Fairnes Doctrine which would enable his Marxist agenda.
Very Scary situation!

 
 

Comment by eebaltimore | 2008-07-21 14:56:18

Do you have a link to the petition? Can’t find it.

 

Comment by derridog | 2008-07-21 15:01:36

I am for the Fairness Doctrine. When we used to have it, before the Rethugs got rid of it, it kept the kind of bias from Reporters we saw in this primary and the last two elections from happening.

Not everything is a free speech issue. The airwaves are public property and, as a result, reporters and networks should not be biased in favor of one candidate. The Fairness Doctrine did not suppress speech, it merely said that, if there was favorable treatment of one candidate, then the other got equal time.

I’m very disturbed that people on this site are spouting right wing talking points and very misleading ones at that.

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-07-21 15:21:16

You only have to look at communist countries over the past hundred years to realize that the Fairness Doctrine is the killer of free speech and democracy for people.

If the fairness Doctrine had been enforced under Obama any talk of victory for Iraq would have been silenced.
The New York Times, Obama and his supporters all wish for defeat for America.
Thanks to free speech the Surge was able to precede and now..
We have a McCain victory in Iraq!

Comment by John | 2008-07-21 17:49:28

Actually, Corporate Dominance of the airwaves is a bigger threat to free speech than the Fairness Doctrine.

Go to any of thousands of communities in the US where your “choices” on the dial include G Gordon Liddy, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Laura Schlesinger, Laura Ingraham, Michael Reagan, etc. etc. etc. That’s a monopoly on the airing of ideas, and nothing to do with Communism.

 
 

Comment by ginaswo still says no Uhhbama | 2008-07-21 15:50:38

Now that I have seen the stunning bias in the so called liberal media, I am against against against it

say NO to the Fairness Doctrine, it is about as well named as the Clean Air Act that did everything except get us cleaner air….

Comment by unityindiversity | 2008-07-21 20:07:51

As the author of this post- I’d add that the only Fairness Doctrine in MSM that is needed these days has to do with the FCC finally imposing fairness on the major networks- in the use of free air time for candidates. These mass manipulators are given free use of the airwaves- based on the supposition of free public service information - and all at NQ know by now how they choose to interpret “public service information.”

They are exercising massive abuse of power and have been for some time. They no longer provide “news” at all- only parsed propaganda for their own purposes- about which they have become as blatant and arrogant as obama himself.

For other prior posts on the Media go to archives at:

http://unityindiversity-spiritedpolitics.blogspot.com

 
 

Comment by missE | 2008-07-21 16:17:15

derridog,

Do you believe Pelosi will insist that McCain get equal air time?

 

Comment by John | 2008-07-21 17:46:15

I totally agree with you- the Public Airwaves belong to US, not General Electric, etc. The fact that more than ninety percent of talk radio is right-wing means that the public airwaves are not providing the service that was intended when the first licenses were being issued.

As a Hillary supporter who will not vote for Obama, I too am becoming more and more concerned at the direction this blog is taking- more and more I read “Drill Now,” “Ted Kennedy is a murderer,” and now anti-Fairness Doctrine posts that seem better suited to sites dedicated to worship of Sean Hannity. I hope we can continue as Progressives and Liberals as we reject Obama.

Refusing to support Obama, and my decision to vote for McCain, doesn’t make me a Right-Wing Republican.

 
 

Comment by Lou | 2008-07-21 15:28:38

OMG. Who’s in San Fran helping Cindy Sheehan collect signatures by Labor to be put on the ballot against Nancy Pelosi. Cindy Sheehan is a firewall and not a fixture. It could work since she is a staunch supporter of the constitution.
She’s not perfect but she’s better than nancy nincompoop.

Comment by sowsear | 2008-07-21 15:33:24

She needs money if you can spare a few $$$.

Comment by Dave | 2008-07-21 17:57:59

Hahaha…this is a joke…right?

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/31824

“I wish I could be proud of a nation that tortures people and imprisons them without basic legal rights. I wish I could be proud of a nation that has a sitting president that has been responsible for killing almost a million innocent Iraqi people in a misadventure that was based on lies and is for profit. I wish I could be proud of a nation that rapes its poor people to feed the already rich in a demented reverse Robin Hood affect. I wish I could be proud of a country where over a million children are homeless and hungry every night. I wish I could be proud of a nation that left our black brothers and sisters hanging off of their roofs after Katrina.”

“I sit here behind my computer screen in solidarity with Rev. Wright. Not only do I not denounce him, but I support him in telling the truth.”

Thanks but no thanks.

 
 

Comment by JudyinMO | 2008-07-21 16:23:41

Check on Sheehan, I heard she is a barky supporter

 
 

Comment by DaleA | 2008-07-22 00:43:10

Silencing the ‘voices of conservatives’ is a good thing. Why on Earth do you think bringing this up at a liberal blog, a Hillary Blog, would result in any support. Believe it or not, Pelosi has fucked up by endorsing an actual Progressive point. Who’d a thunk it?

Conservative voices are not ’silenced’ by this. They are simply not allowed to be the only voice.

 
 

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-07-21 14:27:11

Joe Lieberman’s no friend of Obama’s, but that hasn’t stopped other Bush fans from climbing abourd the crazy train AKA Hopey Changey Express.

 

Comment by Lou | 2008-07-21 15:22:11

This is the talking point for EVERY candidate that obama took off the ballot. He said that about Alice Palmer and the others who ran against him.
Just because this mack daddy gamed the system, doesn’t mean the rival ran a bad campaign. Who goes into a campaign prepared for their opponent to be stealing votes and creating irregularities to win?
Hillary’s campaign was based on a fair election until she found out what obama was doing.

 

Comment by MaryPat | 2008-07-21 15:32:05

I still hold out hope that the unconscionable favoritism the MSM has shown for one candidate will come back to haunt them, and their Chosen One.

For instance, Jack Cafferty on CNN undercuts what little credibility that network has left with the glowing pro-Obama slant he gives every single one of his poll questions. He royally ticks off not only the anti-Obama forces, but also the all-important independent voters who get their backs up whenever media bias rears its ugly head.

And it looks like there is a growing backlash against the NY Times, which gave Obama space for an op-ed piece explaining his views but have denied the same courtesy to McCain. I believe they declined to print McCain’s article because it doesn’t include the Iraq timeline strategy the paper favors. Since when does the MSM get to declare it’s our way or the highway?

Since they all sold their souls to Barry, that’s when. They all need to go back to journalism school. Perhaps the three network anchors will have time to consider that option while they are following the rockstar around Europe like the drooling and worshipful little puppy dogs they are.

 
 

Comment by Deelee | 2008-07-21 13:53:21

I just did some research for my wife regarding Suffragists, and it blew my mind.

For any women out there thinking of voting for Obama should read this first. He wil be no different than Woodrow Wilson, and he’ll game the system if you cross him.

http://www.historynet.com/suffragists-storm-over-washington-dc-in-1917.htm/6

Comment by kat in your hat | 2008-07-21 14:13:29

Thank you for posting that. Very thoughtful.

 

Comment by Lou | 2008-07-21 15:37:46

Women were forced to own slaves. They were not allowed to free them. This was the motivator for getting women to get to vote. They also wanted to be in control of helping schools and families saying that if things were left up to the men, their quality of life woud be compromised since they said that men only care about war and politics.
Their property was torched and they were told to shut up. They never backed down. The keeping of slaves from owning land was what kept slavery alive.
The women said it was immoral to own slaves and fought hard to get the right to vote so they could vote against it.
Today voters want to save the children from obama and are being shut up too..very similiar times.

 
 

Comment by tomabrahams | 2008-07-21 13:54:11

the latest polls and electoral map with some thoughts about them:

http://thevote.abc13.com/2008/07/mapping-the-e-1.html

Comment by wodiej | 2008-07-21 13:59:21

I don’t care what polls say, Obama won’t win Indiana. This is a conservative state and hasn’t went Democrat for President since 1964 for Lyndon Johnson.

Comment by Dave | 2008-07-21 15:47:58

“I don’t care what polls say”

haha, ever? Or only when they disagree with your preconceived beliefs?

Comment by LilRod | 2008-07-21 18:55:42

We have seen over and over again in this election cycle that these polls are flawed.

This is still too early. Most of these polls involve 700 - 1200 correspondents & they are easily manipulated.

The fact that Obama is tied (within the error %) with McCain should be very alarming to the Obama camp.

 
 
 

Comment by Mel | 2008-07-21 14:06:36

why are you taking as truth a Houston ABC station owned by the Chicago Tribune as a reliable source for this troll?

 

Comment by NOBAMAEVER! | 2008-07-21 14:56:16

There is no way Montana, Indiana, Pennsylvania will go for Obama. If you go in and change the parameters to show what the electoral map looked like in 2004 when Kerry ran, I’ll bet you it’ll look more like that. There is no way that some of the states that Tom Abrams shows blue are going to go that way. He’s dreaming.

This is a great article entitle “It’s the Electoral Map Stupid.” Very good piece.

http://tomlitchford.blogspot.com/2008/07/its-electoral-map-stupid.html

Comment by Lou | 2008-07-21 15:40:49

What about the stolen votes?
Their new strategy is anyone who stays home doesn’t vote will be checked off the lsit as voted for obama.

VOTE-anyone will do if you can’t vote for McCain

 

Comment by Anon22 | 2008-07-21 16:21:16

No, PA’s pretty much a lock. There’s always breathless speculation about it going for the Republican, and then it always disappoints. Obama has about the same chance of flipping North Carolina as McCain does of flipping Pennsylvania.

Indiana and Montana are both longer shots, but I don’t think Obama will end up needing them. If he takes either or both, he’ll already be having such a good night that he’ll have OH and VA, in addition to the Kerry states plus Colorado, Iowa, and New Mexico.

Comment by barack who? | 2008-07-21 16:37:45

McCain has a good chance of picking up PA.

Kerry won PA by two points in 2004. That’s not a commanding margin. (It could be argued the PA is more purple than solid blue.)

Obama’s bittergate comments were made shortly before the PA primary. He PO’d a lot of Pennsylvanians. I live in PA. I was subjected to the 24-7 onslaught of Obama media, all Obama all the time. And HIllary still took the state by 9 points. He outspent her 3-1. Obama couldn’t even carry Bucks County, home of the latte liberals.

If Obama remains the dem nominee, and a substantial number of Hillary voters go for McCain, you may as well put the Keystone State in McCain’s bucket.

Comment by Anon22 | 2008-07-21 17:07:44

Kerry won PA by two points in 2004. That’s not a commanding margin. (It could be argued the PA is more purple than solid blue.)

This is not 2004. The adjusted polling averages for Obama have his projected margin at 4.7% in PA. (I don’t know what Kerry’s projected margin was, because we didn’t have 538 in ‘04.)

Obama’s bittergate comments were made shortly before the PA primary. He PO’d a lot of Pennsylvanians. I live in PA. I was subjected to the 24-7 onslaught of Obama media, all Obama all the time. And HIllary still took the state by 9 points. He outspent her 3-1. Obama couldn’t even carry Bucks County, home of the latte liberals.

Won the state by 9 points after being up by 20 points in polling after the March primaries. PA was a very demographically favorable state for Clinton; that doesn’t translate into votes for McCain, at least not directly.

If Obama remains the dem nominee, and a substantial number of Hillary voters go for McCain

He’s already the nominee. And they won’t. The available data shows Obama as the 3-1 favorite in PA.

 

Comment by Boxer Mum 06 | 2008-07-21 17:12:48

I seriously doubt Obama will win PA. There are many conservatives who live in the burbs and lets not forget all the bitter folks clinging to their guns and religion.

PA has voted for many Republicans in the past, especially those that are moderate (Ridge, Specter) and I really believe McCain will take PA.

There are many PUMA supporters here who won’t fall in line and have put Country before Party!

Comment by Anon22 | 2008-07-21 18:38:49

You can “believe” whatever you like, but there are not “many PUMA supporters” anywhere. You’re a fringe group (or movement, if your prefer) with few members and even less influence. All the available information (I know you guys don’t like information, but that’s what sensible people use to make decisions and predict outcomes) points to an Obama victory in PA. 3-1 favorite, statistically speaking, yet you apparently think his odds are worse than 50-50.

Oh well. We can meet back here on Nov. 5 and see how that bold prediction turned out.

Comment by B from Bloomington | 2008-07-21 20:11:23

Hi believe.

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by Clinton Fan | 2008-07-21 16:23:00

He needs money to “earn” states in New England, too. You know, the ones that always were reliably BLUE? They aren’t so reliable.

He might not get NY, either. I think he’s gonna have a tough time in FL, certainly.

I think these “cakewalk” clowns are going to be surprised at the end of the day.

Comment by Dave | 2008-07-21 17:31:18

“He might not get NY, either.”

OK, seriously now- remember this comment the next time you guys accuse US of being on crack.
This is the first comment I’ve seen that was so patently absurd I couldn’t even muster a laugh.
Wow.

 

Comment by Anon22 | 2008-07-21 18:42:44

Obama currently has a 96% projected chance of winning New York. Obama is more likely to flip Texas than John McCain is to flip New York.

Oh well. We can meet back here on Nov. 5 and see how that bold prediction turned out.

 
 

Comment by Clinton Fan | 2008-07-21 16:36:44

My vote is going to be repub instead of the diehard dem of years past (unless the DNC corrects their error). And I am but one of millions, and our numbers, I believe, are not reflected in these polls.

I don’t think they’re appreciating this. Or realizing it. Or admitting it.

I don’t know if I’ll vote for McCain, but I KNOW I won’t vote for Obama. Based on my history, to include party registration over the years, activism, volunteering, and so forth, I am quite sure anyone looking at a list of Diehard Dem voters would “ASSume” I would toe that line. I always have before, even when the candidates didn’t make me leap for joy.

I’ve got news for Howard Dean–this time, my toe isn’t up against that line…my toe is UP HIS ASS.

I’m not voting for that egomanaical “Presumptuous Nominee.” He’s just too stupid for me. And his supporters are, well, assholes. Mean, snarky, snide, and, uhmmmmm, unnnhhhhh, hmmmm (to quote their hero)…stupid. And the greatest of these is STUPID. I’ve never seen such a bunch of political neophytes and punks who slept through US history in my life. Ya don’t learn it, ya repeat it!

I’ll do my bit to keep the Hill blue, but I can’t support this hubris-laden “57 state/ten year Presidency” nitwit. Those aren’t gaffes, that’s a pisspoor knowledge base. And he graduated from HARVARD LAW? What a disgrace!

No, I can’t.

No, I won’t.

I’ve just gotta say… NO.

 
 

Comment by B from Bloomington | 2008-07-21 15:18:42

Thank you Tom. Appreciate your informative posts. I don’t, however, see how the polls can properly measure the number of dems who will be crossing over to repub this year. It’s my understanding that polls look at voting records and assume they will be the same as in the past, and then add in some variables. Accurately predicting what will happen in November is more difficult this time around. My vote is going to be repub instead of the diehard dem of years past (unless the DNC corrects their error). And I am but one of millions, and our numbers, I believe, are not reflected in these polls.

The electoral map is great. So glad it’s adjustable as that is certainly necessary. They are incorrect in listing IN and FL as toss ups as they will surely be repub. And when these are fixed as well as a few others, it’s close, but a repub win is very possible!

Comment by Anon22 | 2008-07-21 16:25:39

No, polls are polls. They ask respondents who they’ll be voting for. Thus, they do pick up defectors like you. The modeling assumptions you appear to be referring to deal with party ID. The pollsters who weight heavily tend to show worse numbers for Obama; those who take their samples more or less as they find them in terms of partisan identification tend to perform better for Obama, due to the unsurprising fact that there are many more Democrats now than there were in 2004. But splits within party groupings are derived from current polling, not projections based on past numbers.

Comment by B from Bloomington | 2008-07-21 21:33:34

Oh really? According to one polling site, PUMAs are more of a liability to McCain than an asset because we are “crazies”. We can be called with a “dog whistle” so that pretty much says, they think we’re in the bag.

Any PUMAs here that come by a dog whistle? ….

Nope, we are a different species altogether.

Comment by Anon22 | 2008-07-22 11:21:08

That’s pretty ridiculously unresponsive. Can I assume you don’t dispute what I said, which is that current polls are picking up the (rather insignificant) Democratic defector effect, and that Obama is leading anyway?

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by wodiej | 2008-07-21 13:57:11

too little too late for CNN. Many Hillary supporters would not even support an Obama/Clinton ticket, and would hold their nose if BO was on it even as VP.

They just keep underestimating us. First they didn’t need us and said we could stay home. After all, we’re just a bunch of old, poor, white women. But then we raised millions in a short period of time to pay off Hillary’s debt. Hmm.. then we formed PUMA/Just Say No Deal and and hundreds of other similar groups cropped up rapidly. Hmmm…..then Obama’s numbers started to slide despite all of his grandoise efforts. I think they just might need our votes.

Comment by Susan | 2008-07-21 14:56:18

They do not understand that it is not all about Hillary, but it is all about Obama and the loathing!

Comment by timepassages | 2008-07-21 15:40:54

If this was only about Hillary it would not continue to grow. If the DNC had given us a quailifed canidate none of this would be happening. The problem is not Hillary, its Obama! He is a bad canidate. When 18 million or more of his own party do not support him, how on earth do they think they can win a general???

http://nativeamericansagainstobama.wordpress.com/

 
 

Comment by Why? | 2008-07-21 14:57:20

I dont get it- with all the pro Hillary Groups how come she still had to lend herself $1 million back in June??? and her debt continues to grow- i could be wrong with the amount but she only made something like $2 million from supporters.

Comment by ginaswo still says no Uhhbama | 2008-07-21 15:54:39

we didnt kick off our drive until July

:0)

 
 
 

Comment by Ted | 2008-07-21 13:57:58

Wow. Bower’s numbers sure don’t match what Hillary is reporting - still $25 million in debt.

I bet Hillary loves to here this guy say she doesn’t need any more money.

Comment by Indy | 2008-07-21 14:04:41

If I recall, the big Puma push for wiping Hillary’s debt started at the beginning of July. That is when I donated -first week of July. Those numbers won’t be reflected until August 20 or so.

Nice try Ted.

Comment by basil | 2008-07-21 14:30:54

Here?

Still trying for your GED?

:twisted:

 

Comment by Ted | 2008-07-21 14:32:00

Yes, you are right. The $25 million number was through the end of June. Bower said the money raised was in the “week leading up to the 4th of July”, so part of it would have been in July. But it is odd that virtually none of it showed up in June.

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-07-21 14:34:36

Misrepresenting the facts by quoting old stats. It has a ring to it.

 

Comment by Pollpatrol | 2008-07-21 14:46:15

Of course it didn’t show up. The first big push was over the July 4th weekend - the 2-6 of July. That’s when everyone donated. There was a second push the following weekend.

Comment by Ted | 2008-07-21 14:57:23

OK, but that is not Bower said. If you listen to the clip - which is what I was responding to - he says the push was in the week leading up to the 4th. To me, the week leading up to the 4th is the week before the 4th.

In any event, a month from now I’m sure we will be told that the debt is gone and $25 million was raised. Which is good. Except for Marl Penn, everyone deserves to get paid what they are owed.

Comment by B from Bloomington | 2008-07-21 15:28:31

They had a push in the week of the 4th, but a bigger push the week after. Know I donated twice the week after the 4th. Wanted that t-shirt : )

 

Comment by unityindiversity | 2008-07-21 20:23:29

Clarification on discussion above: Will was referring to the publicity for the drive - which did begin before July 4- the drive, itself, was to give $ over the 4th. There was NO drive to give $ in advance of that date - only publicity in advance to give over that weekend.

There has been a second drive subsequently, which was posted here at NQ - to give $5 (instead of buying one Starbucks). That drive was the week after the 4th and there has been no announcement I know of, regarding the additional funds raised then - but I expect they were substantial as it was posted on many, many sites- and received many favorable comments.

RISE HILLARY RISE!

 
 
 
 

Comment by Lou | 2008-07-21 15:42:43

25 million is old web news.

 
 

Comment by Donna Brazile | 2008-07-21 14:05:41

That’s hear! Ted H. How’s that teaching going?

Comment by basil | 2008-07-21 14:31:59

Donna!

You forgot your signature “Stop the Hate” tag!

Mind if I say it?

Stop the Hate! :razz:

Comment by Donna Brazile | 2008-07-21 14:36:22

I think we should all say it and maybe they’ll get the hint:

STOP THE HATE:-)

Comment by Mary | 2008-07-21 14:55:57

That’s right Stop drinking the “hateraid!”

 
 

Comment by Susan | 2008-07-21 14:58:09

I don’t hate Obama, I loathe and despise him!

It’s all about words in ‘08, isn’t it?

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-07-21 15:57:00

Words, just words………

 
 

Comment by Lou | 2008-07-21 15:43:41

Donna is a Republican working for the DNC.
Word is out.

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-07-21 15:57:47

Karl Rove is her BFF.

 
 
 
 

Comment by Darryl | 2008-07-21 14:08:56

Where is your link to that info. Are you completely brain dead or what. YOU ARE AN IDOT! How does it feel when you go to bed at night. Do you feel confidently retarded? Do you even realize how dumb you are? The issue was that her debt would be almost paid off AFTER —seee that word moron its AFTER—we give her the money. I mean DUH! Its called reading and listening comprehension. I bet you failed that section on your SAT.

Comment by Ted | 2008-07-21 14:37:10

I see. Not very compelling news then is it. Let me try my hand at it:

The earth will stop spinning after the spinning stops.

Water will flow uphill after gravity reverses itself.

Clinton’s debt will be eliminated after she is given enough money to eliminate her debt.

OK, I think I’ve got it. In the meantime, I’ll keep looking at the data to see how much progress has been made toward each goal.

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-07-21 14:56:14

Huff on some hippie crack and start spinning till it seems like the earth stops. It seems perfectly normal in whatever mental institution you’re writing from.

 

Comment by Darryl | 2008-07-21 15:07:26

Thanks for proving my point. LOL

 
 
 

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-07-21 14:32:27

The NYT Caucus blog on July 18 reported Hillary’s debt is down to $12.5 million. THe stories now are whining about how Obama supporters are expected to repay the remaining $11 million. So, far, they’ve coughed up a mere $100,000. But He wants all her donors and voters.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/18/that-clinton-debt-comes-calling/

Clinton senior adviser Ann Lewis this evening revived the so-called HillGrams, the Clinton campaign’s e-mail communiqués to thousands of her supporters, and urged those on the list to donate to the cause of paying off the approximately $12 million that Mrs. Clinton still owes to her political consultants, vendors and small business owners hired for her campaign events.

Nice to hear from you, believe. Now FOAD.

Comment by Ted | 2008-07-21 19:26:49

Of course this is the money sheowes others, not herself, so it is the same figure that was objected to above.

 
 

Comment by ginaswo still says no Uhhbama | 2008-07-21 15:55:37

one more time

we didnt kick off our fundraising until July, it will be reflected in the JULY numbers not June

thus you need to look at the August 20 FEC filing…