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Obama Ditches The American Flag

Barack Obama used donations to refurbish and repaint his campaign plane, and has removed the flag of the United States from the tail of the plane. Reports Bonnie Kapp for Fox Embed:

[T]he plane that once had an American flag on its tail now sports the Obama “O.” “Change We Can Believe In” and the candidate’s website are splayed across both sides of the fuselage, making this 757 anything but inconspicuous.

This means, of course, that the people of Afghanistan, Iraq, Jordan, Israel, Germany, and other countries will see a plane without an American flag — a plane on which the sole symbol is all about one man. Barack: Afghans and Iraqis won’t be voting for you in November. But they will notice that you failed to represent yourself as a proud American citizen while you are abroad. We’ve noticed too.

Here is an image of Air Force One, with the American flag appropriately displayed:

air-force-one-taxi-for-take-off.jpg

Here is the tail section of Obama’s plane:

backofobamaplane.jpg

Below is the image of the front section of Obama’s newly repainted plane:

frontofplane.jpg

As a patriotic American citizen, I am embarrassed that a presumptive presidential candidate would fail to display a core symbol of the United States of America.

As a patriotic American citizen, I’ve been somewhat concerned about Barack Obama’s failure to put his hand over his heart during the playing of the National Anthem as well as his blather when he was forced to explain why he didn’t wear the popular flag pin.

As a patriotic American citizen, I am deeply concerned that the Democratic party may nominate a candidate who is solely focused on displaying his OWN image and symbols rather than those of his party and his country.

Not only is his plane’s symbolism unpatriotic, it is also narcissistic.

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Fox Embed and Politico’s “Playbook 24/7″ have more details.

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Comment by Der Kommisar | 2008-07-21 15:03:50

Any bets on when his gasbag fills up so much he floats away into space, never to be seen or heard from again (and his supporters then claim he’s ascended into heaven AGAIN?)

Comment by Maddy | 2008-07-21 15:18:53

I like it (and I hate planes). Would you not have criticized him for having the US flag on the tail for being too presumptuous?

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-07-21 15:30:02

The short answer is “no”. The American Flag should be flown on an American aircraft.

Comment by missE | 2008-07-21 15:41:32

The press is on that plane. Obama is on Air Farce One pictured here.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/5lk8os

Comment by destardi | 2008-07-21 16:41:52

Doesn’t matter…can you imagine Hillary painting a big H on the tail of one of the planes she’s using?

Holy hell would break loose.

obama’s a JOKE! J O K E.

Comment by Pat Knif | 2008-07-28 22:07:05

As someone else said, it’s a wonder he didn’t paint a great big picture of himself on the plane.

 
 

Comment by Doc Sab | 2008-07-23 01:10:49

ONLY the PRESIDENT is on AIR FORCE ONE… not a wanna be president.

 

Comment by LARRY | 2008-07-26 10:07:25

YOU MUST OF FELL OFF A TRUCK WHEN REAL YOUNG BECAUSE ONLY THE EXISTING PRESIDENT, VICE-PRESIDENT CAN USE THE AIRFORCE ONE. NOT PEOPLE THAT ARE BAD FOR THIS COUNTRY

Comment by Raphael | 2008-10-13 13:16:09

Amen, Larry.

 
 
 

Comment by Josh from Brooklyn | 2008-07-21 18:49:15

“The short answer is “no”. The American Flag should be flown on an American aircraft.”…

….The short answer to that would be “You’re a great big liar”.

Hey genius, did you actually bother to LOOK at a commercial airliner or a private jet before you made this moronic statement?

Why don’t you try Googling “commercial aircraft, photos” andcome back and tell us what you find.

Comment by jcm | 2008-07-22 01:31:43

His LINE is he is on this trip as a US senator - the american tax payer is footing the bill for this trip - so he is doing his advertising on a plane that the gas, the staff, etc are being funded by the US gov. not his camp. - it is not just an everyday commercial airliner.

 

Comment by DontTreadOnMe | 2008-07-24 13:21:23

Hey Josh from Brooklyn:

Try googling “commercial u.s. aircraft, photos” and tell US what you find… MORON!

 

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-07-31 16:23:02

American carriers fly the American flag. It is you who is the dumbass. Perhaps you should engage what little brain you have before posting, prick.

BTW: You’re a stinking anchovy.

 

Comment by Jim | 2008-08-28 15:49:28

Hey, moron, why don’t you realize he was referring to US Government aircraft. Can you try googling US aircraft? Prick.

Apparently Brooklyn breeds assholes.

 
 
 

Comment by Indy | 2008-07-21 15:30:50

Huh? He is presumptuous with his crass new airplane. He is presumptuous to go overseas and behave as though he’s already in office. He presumptuous for not displaying the US flag anywhere on his crass and gaudy campaign plane.

Comment by Indy | 2008-07-21 15:32:13

By “already in office” I mean already President.

 

Comment by terri | 2008-07-21 15:54:18

I can’t remember any presidential candidate campaigning overseas. Guess he’s running for King of the World like Bush. Stupid loony-liberal Democrats think he’s the answer to all the problems Bush created, but he will just make them worse.

Comment by Diana | 2008-07-21 16:13:11

I’m waiting for Larry the Toolbag to show up. I just heard Obama on the radio saying he and Maliki never even discussed a timeline so how could they agree to one? Remember him yesterday going ballistic with his conspiracy theory over the CNN retraction. I hope someone caught it and puts it on youtube. I was driving.

 

Comment by Ted | 2008-07-21 19:50:26

Really? McCain was in Iraq a couple of months ago. He met with local leaders, military commanders, and troops. Just like Obama.

This is typical of the Obama opposition. “He hasn’t gone to Iraq - what a joke.” “He’s in Iraq, what a joke.”

Comment by MEchelle Hates America! | 2008-07-21 22:11:17

Ted -

You finally get it.

Obama sucks in or out of Iraq.

 

Comment by LARRY | 2008-07-26 10:11:40

OBAMA DIDN’T MEET WITH THE TROOPS

 
 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-21 20:15:18

Are all the middle easterners and europeans coming here to vote for him or will they be mail in ballots?

 

Comment by J Smith | 2008-07-21 21:33:15

And he’s campaining using our tax dollars rather than charging the expense from his campaign funds to pay for this trip. He will just tell you “I’m going as a senator.”

Comment by geegee | 2008-07-26 02:54:27

he is not using pulic funds.

 
 
 

Comment by Lou | 2008-07-21 16:14:35

Hoooooooo boy! boy oh boy. Mack daddy pimping his importance..someone get rid of him please.

Comment by seattle slough | 2008-07-21 18:10:54

What do you mean “get rid of him?”

Why are you calling him a “mack daddy.”

Why are you a hateful racist?

Comment by Buzz Latte | 2008-07-21 18:33:40

Please do not defile an incredible racehorse by associating it with Obama.

 

Comment by MEchelle Hates America! | 2008-07-21 22:18:00

What’s the difference between Black Liberation Terrorists and hateful racists?

NOT A DAMN THING!

Comment by LARRY | 2008-07-26 10:14:31

WELL IF YOU HATE AMERICA WHY DON’T YOU GET OUT NO ONE WANTS YOU HERE

Comment by Jim | 2008-08-28 15:53:02

I agree with Larry, go back to Hell where you came from, you slimy cunt whore.

 
 
 

Comment by Austex Native | 2008-07-24 01:12:35

There you go again—playing the Race card. Surprise! Surprise!

 
 
 
 

Comment by JoseyJ | 2008-07-21 15:33:00

A U.S. flag on a U.S. senator’s U.S. plane?!?
Looks like you’ve fallen INTO the Koolaid vat!! - and can’t get out.

 

Comment by Elizabeth Reilly | 2008-07-21 16:39:36

Maddy, you don’t get it, do you? Your boy is turning people off in droves with his compulsive me, me, me. I’ve seldom seen a more self-absorbed personality, housed in the body and mind of an incredibly imperfect person.
It almost seems as though he’d like to do away with the American flag altogether. Wonder why!!
Guess those Arab roots are coming home to roost!

Comment by JoseyJ | 2008-07-21 17:14:09

Hopefully this diary will stay on the front page most of the evening!!

 

Comment by jim | 2008-07-22 01:42:25

An interesting article at:
DanielPipes.org/comments/133692
the article is titled “we’ve been asking the wrong questions” - be sure to watch the associated video’s referred to.

 
 

Comment by xax | 2008-07-21 17:51:18

What would be presumptuous about a UNITED STATES SENATOR and PRESIDENTIAL nominee displaying the flag of his country. He’s supposed to be all patriotic now after that BIG SPEECH (any one surprised?) that he gave a few weeks ago. If he really wanted to be patriotic he should have had the whole damn plane wrapped in red, white and blue.

FLIP. FLOP.

You arrogant prick.

 

Comment by elise | 2008-07-21 18:26:23

No, the Flag is not presumptuous. I see them flying everywhere. Now, if he had put his “Presidential Seal” on the plane’s tail, that would have been.

 

Comment by fif | 2008-07-21 19:03:32

Here’s the thing: he represents THE U.S. NOT HIMSELF!! That is the damn problem. It’s all about BO.

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-21 19:22:21

If he is representing himself as it appears he is, then the bastard should pay all the expenses himself.

Comment by geegee | 2008-07-26 02:56:46

He is not using public funds.

Comment by TJ | 2008-08-27 23:53:37

Not using public funds? Those Secret Service agents are paid for by public funds. The rest from US, foreign and Hamas donors.

 
 
 
 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-21 20:12:49

The plane comes with a flag on the tail. It’s an American plane. International law requires flag of country of origin and registration number. I have typed this slowly so that you can understand it.

 

Comment by s. hall | 2008-07-23 00:08:24

no maddy — better the tail of Obama’s plane looks like a festive Penis. That’ll work.

 

Comment by Sarah | 2008-10-14 11:45:03

i think that if you are running for president in AMERICA then you SHOULD have the AMERICAN FLAG on the plane unless you do not support america which is clearly being shown.

 
 

Comment by The Real Hope | 2008-07-21 15:38:11

Der
Wouldn’t that be LOVERLY!

 

Comment by d2d | 2008-07-21 17:28:05

at least we now know where the $35mil went. da plane, da plane!

 

Comment by RunningDogLackey | 2008-07-21 17:41:05

Let’s see. You’re pissed when he DOESN’T wear a flag pin, and you’re pissed when he DOES. You’re pissed when he uses a mock-Presidential seal, and you’re pissed when he DOESN’T paint his plane like Air Force One.

Congratulations! You are now officially a bunch of bitter, irrelevant cranks.

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2008-07-21 17:59:04

You don’t read very well, do you? I’m sure we’d all just like him to behave with a little decorum. The bantam rooster shtick ain’t workin’.

 

Comment by xax | 2008-07-21 18:04:36

Let’s get something straight.
Some people were upset about him not wearing the pin. But you see how fast his holy flip flop “I stand on principals” ran to wear one. So I think you should be more mad at him and not us.

Another thing, you can’t seem to follow a logical sequence. Instead you string events together as if they are relevant when in fact they are separate. The presidential seal and a plane are two different things.
Problem with the seal: we have this thing called democracy where the majority of people have to vote for you. Confidence is one thing, but attaching yourself to an office which the American people haven’t seen fit to ALLOW you to have is arrogant and annoying. i.e. people are pissed.
Problem with the plane: His holy flip flop gives this HUGH speech (again… is any one surprised?) about how patriotic he is. I’ve seen some of his commercials. They are sappier than the kool aid he hands out at his rallies. Reminiscent of quintessential Americana. And then he goes and replaces a US flag on a US plane with his own logo. Can’t you see how this would annoy people, again? He wasn’t making his plane look like AIR FORCE ONE (ala presidential seal), he removed the US flag and replaced it with his own design.

Arrogance. Simple.

 

Comment by elise | 2008-07-21 18:34:50

Listen Lackey. I never cared one way or the other about the flag pin, but he made a big deal about refusing to wear one and now he wears one. It’s more about what it says of his lack of character. Have you seen the picture where he refuses to put his hand on his heart during the Star Spangeled Banner? That was deliberiate also and one would have to wonder at that point he was still trying to keep faith with Rev. Wright. Too much odd about his behavior and it suggests someone who is creating himself as he goes along. Is that a sign of something lacking he is trying to fill in his ambition?

 

Comment by fif | 2008-07-21 19:05:54

He didn’t wear the pin because he didn’t have a genuine sense of love and pride for his country. Then he DID, because he needed to pander to middle America. Same thing with the plane. He does not understand that he is just a symbol for American ideals. Obama represents Obama.

 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-21 20:16:57

That’s because we can recognize a faker when we see one.

 
 

Comment by susan | 2008-07-21 17:54:59

This may be the straw that breaks the camel’s back! For all the glory appointed by the media to Obama and his campaign staff, they sure do some assinine things, and this one takes the cake! Surely, there must be some other country to live in that you all respect, for you have certainly shown lack of respect for this one, time and time again. Perhaps the country Obama was born in???

Comment by The Real Hope | 2008-07-21 17:58:45

Yes where is that brothel that he was born in? What country was that?

Comment by Jim | 2008-08-28 15:59:17

I believe they call it Dumbfuckistan.

 
 
 

Comment by NoBigotry | 2008-07-21 18:03:48

Shows the hypocrisy here. John McWars plane does not even use the colors red white and blue and has McCain.com on the tail.

Comment by Pink Panther | 2008-07-21 18:09:09

McCain didn’t paint over the American flag like Obama did; thus, you are either obtuse or a hypocrite yourself.

Hey, NoBigotry, until you stop becoming a bigot, stop criticizing others.

If you support the racist and sexist obama, you are a bigot.

Comment by JA | 2008-07-21 22:15:17

The plane comes with a flag on the tail. It’s an American plane. International law requires flag of country of origin and registration number.
__________________________________________
Looks like McCain must have painted over the flag as well. His plane has mccain.com on the tail.

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-22 02:04:32

It doesn’t have to be in large detail on the tail, but itmust be on the plane and anyway, you’re wrong.

 
 
 

Comment by tzada | 2008-07-21 18:30:10

But did John McCain remove a flag? Did McCain make up a slimy “presidential” seal? Obama is making much ado about this trip, while McCain went quietly from country to country. There is a vast difference.You as a sheep that is blinded from Obama self reflected glory I understand that you just don’t get it.

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-21 19:24:31

The symbol on the tail makes it look like a commercial plane from a middle eastern country.

 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-21 20:18:42

Maybe when they shed their skin, the scales will fall from their eyes and they can see the truth of the make believe man.

 

Comment by SalRei | 2008-07-21 23:07:14

This whole line of conversation is really ridiculous. Look around at a sporting events.Most people grew up putting their hand on their heart for the Pledge of Allegiance”, not the National Anthem. But do remove your hat!Do all of you really care about silly things like plane decor and flag pins? None of this has anything to do with how someone will govern this country. How often does McCain wear a flag pin? Who cares. It doesn’t mean anything. If you really care, look up both candidates websites and read their positions on all of the issues. By the way, McCain is the one who practically dared Obama to go to Iraq. McCain traveled overseas earlier this year while Obama was in the primary versus CLinton. That was poor timing on his part. If Obama kept misstating the locations of countries like McCain does (GMA today ….Iraq/Pakistan border) we would never hear the end of it. All of this worry about superficial things is immature. Grow up!

Comment by Kelly | 2008-07-22 01:27:15

Actually, I believe that one is to place one’s hand over one’s heart during the anthem only if there is a flag displayed.

If you think of baseball- the players and fans have theirs hands over their hearts because a flag is always displayed.

 

Comment by s. hall | 2008-07-23 00:15:02

salrei–Don’t you think Obama should show his birth certificate? Do you think its a trivial thing for a man to try to run for President if he wasn’t born in this country? Cause thats the law. Perhaps its you who should grow up.

Comment by d-rod | 2008-08-03 19:33:12

um, he was born in this country. last time I checked, Honolulu was in Hawaii…and I’m pretty sure Hawaii is still in the United States. perhaps you should review your geography..or at least your facts.

 
 

Comment by d-rod | 2008-08-03 19:37:11

a bit rudely said, but essentially 100% correct in my view. to me patriotism is more about actions, doing what is best for the people in the country, not superficial symbolism. I don’t get offended when people at a sporting event do not take off their hats during the anthem…why should we get upset if Obama doesn’t wear a pin? This ra-ra-country stuff is pretty outdated…and pretty much unimportant.

 
 
 
 

Comment by Roonie in PA | 2008-07-21 18:07:54

 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-21 19:18:20

Another fucking kick in the gut. Now do you believe he isn’t an American?
I’m beginning to sympathise with King Henry the 2nd.

 

Comment by sjc-tx | 2008-07-22 04:21:45

Well… I showed the plane’s tail image to a friend in the UK and they immediately asked what the “big white hump” was in the middle of the logo…! We both started laughing when she said it ‘looked like a ‘bell end’ (Brit-speak for penis)… HAHAHHAHAHAHAH… Aye… symbolism for his freakin ego!

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-07-22 07:46:50

Hmmm….sjc-tx…The “bell end”….chuckle….could also indicate the OBAMA VACCUM, or the resulting loss of formerly useful brain matter that happens during cult indoctrination…Or maybe it’s a classic subliminal symbol/tool that activates a kind of white noise buzzing comfort to keep the members in line and remind them of their new ultra purpose as designed by Dear Leader…
OH BROTHER! THANKS FOR THE LAUGH SUSAN….Once again NQ steps up to the plate and delivers….

*** I would have never thought the US could have a more embarrasing national politician on the global stage after GWB…Who knew maybe all those wacky evangelical worldenders are on to something and Tap dancin Jesus is really on schedule….OH THE IRONY ***

 
 

Comment by Afreca | 2008-08-06 10:57:37

It is quite funny how a lot of people say that the Bush administration is horrible and they are ruining our country. Last time I checked the democrats are the ones running it at this time so maybe people need to stop Blaming Bush for all the things they are planning. I find it completely ridiculous that Obama took the flag off his plane and apologized for the U.S. Do people really want a President who could care less about what we need just because he needs to fulfill his ego. And btw him pulling the RACISM card is getting old and it ties into him pulling the American flag off his plane.

 

Comment by Sgt Dick | 2008-08-08 12:53:21

if you squint hard enough you can see 666, clever.

 
 

Comment by HARP | 2008-07-21 15:06:18

It`s a wonder his plane dosen`t fly in circles with only a left wing.

Comment by ginaswo still says no Uhhbama | 2008-07-21 15:15:22

ROTFLMAO!!

BWAAAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!

 

Comment by yttik | 2008-07-21 15:20:44

LOL! That was funny.

 

Comment by CJ | 2008-07-21 15:29:26

LOL…good one!

 

Comment by terri | 2008-07-21 15:54:51

 

Comment by Postmaster | 2008-07-21 17:34:42

woooooooohoooooo HARP, that was funny!

 
 

Comment by Pragmatist | 2008-07-21 15:07:28

obama is an idiot.

Comment by barack who? | 2008-07-21 15:13:15

No kidding! for real credibility and impact he should have included the Mighty Barack the Possum seal.

Comment by MIDem | 2008-07-21 16:49:39

I continue to grieve the untimely demise of
the infamous possum seal.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-07-22 07:49:32

ehemm….The Great Seal of the Mighty Possum aint’ dead….It is only playing….POSSUM…..

Comment by kat in your hat | 2008-07-22 09:21:56

The Obama symbol with the rising sun…sort of looks like a nuclear mushroom cloud now.

Comment by kat in your hat | 2008-07-22 09:23:10

I bid you greetings and atomic bomb pictures on my plane.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by TexasDarlin | 2008-07-21 15:08:44

Flag in the fireplace….maybe New Yorker wasn’t satire after all.

Remember, Obama buddy Billy flag-stomping Ayres is his resident patriotism adviser, so what do you expect?

Comment by AF catfish | 2008-07-21 15:15:47

He replaced the flag. Replaced it with the “O” logo. After the uproar over flagpin questions. Interesting judgement, that.

Comment by Kelly | 2008-07-22 01:29:24

I bet Oprah will get mad- I thought she was the “O.”

 
 

Comment by timepassages | 2008-07-21 15:28:33

 

Comment by dgr | 2008-07-21 16:07:42

TexasDarlin’ ~ methinks they dost protest too much that New Yorker cover… Maybe they were all thinking they’d go scot-free on the press. I thought the flag burning in the fireplace was about as apt as you can get!

 

Comment by Susan, the Little Dikkins | 2008-07-21 17:20:51

Why don’t you stick to FACTS? All you do by posting rediculous comments such as these is make your self look utterly deranged.

 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-07-22 07:54:55

Hmmmm…..Historically FACISTS are not well known for subtlety or a sense of humor….Kinda goes with the inability to tolerate criticism….chuckle…..
*** FASCIST IS AS FASCIST DOES ***

 
 

Comment by OTBjr | 2008-07-21 15:11:16

This guy is the real Manchurian candidate. We’ll never know exactly what he does stand for until he’s elected. Then it will be too late and this country will be toast…literally.

 

Comment by Fenelon spoke | 2008-07-21 15:11:33

Ein Reich, ein Fuhrer-OBama. . Obama uber alles.

Comment by catdancer | 2008-07-21 16:27:50

You got that right, Fenelon(great screen name, by the way). Thank you Larry, SusanUnPC, Texas Darlin,Charles L. and the whole community of NQ which keeps me sane. Angry as hell but inspired.

Bawak is the Manchurian Candidate/Trojan Horse of Fascism. Not Marxism. Fascism: when the Corporate and Political are one and the same. This great emptiness, this Chicago Swamp Thing is a wholly owned fraud.

The signage on the plane(and who owns that plane, I’d like to know?) IS all about symbolism. You know, about the One…the Leader. The Great Hollow O. It is a message to the Internationl Corporate Nobility(read: the New World Order guys, the Bilderbergers and their greedy, unholy, feudal brethren)that we bought ours, you, too, can do the same. Control the press. Lie, steal, cheat, threaten… It’s of a piece with Bawak’s prancing about getting Foreign Policy “experience” in this tragic, Theatre of the Grotesque. The laughing, billionaire oligarchs behind Bawak are truly dangerous. I rue for the future of our American Democracy if this thug gets anywhere near the White House. This illegitimate pos must be stopped at Denver. If they crown him by acclamation in Denver, we are, as a Nation, in very serious trouble. Think: Bawak’s Civilian National Security Force. Think: Gestapo. Less than 60,000 Gestapo operatives controlled 80,000,000 Germans. It CAN happen here. Easy,the mechanisms are already in place thanks to W. and our corrupt Congress. Never forget that the elites(industrial, military, religious and old,Prussian conservatives)in 1933 Germany thought they could control Hitler…

NO OBAMA EVER!

Comment by d2d | 2008-07-21 17:16:09

the only saving grace is the fact that we indeed do have the second amendment and could never see those brothers and sisters surrendering their metal. NEVER!!!

Comment by tzada | 2008-07-22 01:24:06

I think that Global Poverty Act that Obama introduced, has a clause in there giving that right away to the UN. It has passed the Senate.

 
 

Comment by Roonie in PA | 2008-07-21 18:22:06

Great comment. Couldn’t have said it better. Wish your words of warning reached everyone in this country!

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-07-22 08:13:43

Hmmm….( sigh ) But for SHEEP….Having to think and doubt and all that other individual behavior is….soooo exhausting and tends to muddle things. Obama’s sheep prefer the calming fog of vagaries and simply wait for illumination and salvation from Dear Leader….Soooo much easier.

**** When Bullets Fly….Kindly Fall Neatly Into Pit To Maintain Maximum Efficientcy **** Rule # 12 Fascism for Dummies ( also known as the Official Obama Supporters Handbook. Available in 4 languages including Arabic, and a special edition Comic Book! ****

 
 

Comment by daiseymae | 2008-07-21 22:41:15

Very aptly put. What you write of is a clear danger if Obama reaches the Presidency.

 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-22 02:07:26

Could you guys please break your longer posts into paragraphs? I have light sensitive eyes and they are hard to read. Thanx

 
 
 

Comment by JP49 | 2008-07-21 15:12:07

Take your silly self back to Chicago and stay there. We don’t want your comments here. We have no problem figuring out whose ass your head is up to. No obama on any ticket ever.

Comment by roseeriter | 2008-07-21 15:14:24

Is that you Bill Ayers?