Camp Obama: Eager to “Empower You”
By Ani on July 25, 2008 at 5:22 PM in Bamboozling, Barack Obama, Current Affairs
This is a letter sent to a supporter of the Obama Campaign:
Dear ___________,
You have an opportunity to play a major role in this nationwide movement for change.
Dedicated volunteers like you have brought us this far. But to execute our strategy for the general election, we need supporters to step into one of the most important roles of our campaign.
If you’re ready to take the next step, you are invited to attend a two-day Camp Obama training session near you.
Learn more about this special opportunity and apply to attend Camp Obama right now:
Camp Obama trainings offer a unique, in-depth look at the strategies and techniques that have driven this campaign.
These two-day sessions, to be held August 15th - 16th, are led by experienced Obama campaign staffers and other professional organizers who are eager to empower dedicated supporters like you.
After completing a camp session, attendees will be asked to fill essential volunteer positions in battleground states — these are demanding roles, but they are a vital part of our election strategy.
Supporters with experience in community organizing or political campaigns are strongly encouraged to apply. But the only requirement is that you support Barack and be ready to turn your enthusiasm and energy into action.
Here are some of the skills you’ll learn at Camp Obama:
• Tactics that will help you creatively and effectively organize voters
• Tips to increase the visibility of the campaign in your area
• Keys to mobilizing other volunteers to join our movementApply now for a Camp Obama training near you:
We’re excited to invite our most dedicated supporters to get involved with the campaign in this crucial role.
Thank you for everything you’re doing to build this movement,
Obama for America
He wants to empower you to use the strategies that have driven this campaign? Like what, for instance?
Bullying at the caucuses? Those kinds of tactics? Having someone with an “Obama for America” sign sitting at a table inside an Indiana polling location to help voters with any “confusion” or “questions.”
Camp Obama training? Anything like EST training? The Forum? The Secret? Do they let you go to the bathroom? Forgive the snark, but this is beyond New Age.
I cannot profess to understand what ‘techniques’ will be taught at “Camp Obama” but the verbiage of these “two day sessions” sounds like indoctrination. It smacks of all day intensive self-help workshops. Are they practicing the Vulcan mind meld? Acceptance into the Borg Collective?
And let’s not forget the Kids for Obama page…
I seem to remember Sens. McCaskill and Casey saying their kids were ’screaming’ at them to vote for Senator Obama. We are looking to elect the President of the United States, not to get a shiny new toy. I, typically do not consult kids or teenagers, whose brains are not fully formed yet, when making important political decisions that will affect my family and my country’s future.
I have never seen any campaign employ these methods and if some of the paid bloggers for Senator Obama are indicative of those versed in the ‘techniques’ he is talking about, then I am very worried indeed.
The vile rhetoric that has been used repeatedly all over the internet, the verbal attacks leveled at Hillary supporters out in public, the “techniques” of Obama supporters walking around with camera phones threatening to take pictures of Hillary supporters – this all strikes me as a form of voter intimidation.
The rock star mindset of this campaign: the huge rallies, the ‘uplifting’ non-specific, hopey/changey pablum filled speeches designed to enflame without posing solutions, all strike me as more of the mass marketing of Obama. As I have stated previously, there is a danger when one is more than involved, but enthralled.
I fear this two-day training camp is teaching a pitch that sells a symbol without substance.
Much like the man himself.
What say you?
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(Special thanks to pcmck)
more cult tactics on Obama’s part. his campaign is frightening in its lack of substance. good for the young ones I suppose.
It’s more caucus training.
Where do you give your shirt size?
At New Party HQ….of course…
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SAY
HUH?
(rattling my head)
CAMP WHAT?
NO NO NO DON’T TELL ME
(THIS day has given me the worst headache)
bbl
I believe there’s a man Gene Sharp who is in Obama’s campaign and he does special training on how to participate in non violent dissent in places like Serbia and Burma and has written books on this technique and I think teaches at the Einstein University. So it is training that I don’t think I’d want my kid to go to. Creepy.
Fox News just confirmed that Obama went to work out at the gym at the Ritz Calton instead of visiting the troops. They said he knew in advance that he could go without all of the hoopla. He chose to workout instead.
Lucky for him he still has all of his limbs.
More material for Republican attack ads. He’s gonna be sorry.
I would not bet on it. The media keeps buying his fairy tales. Every time I think they are starting to wake up I read something like this from the LA Times:
Time remains for Obama to unify the party and find ways to win over skeptical voters. His campaign released ads last month that emphasize the parts of Obama’s life story that a typical voter might find appealing. Obama, for example, was raised by a single mother and grandparents who lacked substantial means.
http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-challenges25-2008jul25,0,230990.story?page=1
Obama’s mother was not single all the time. (She only left his stepfather because he became too “Americanized”.) And how in God’s name did his grandparents lack substantial means when his grandmother was a vice president of the largest bank in Hawaii?
I just emailed the poor, bamboozled sap who wrote this article to try to set him straight. I urge the rest of you to do the same. Maybe if enough of us call the media on this they will start reprimanding Barack for this lie. One can only hope…..
Is there a utube link to this report by Fox news?
Tactics???
OK Now I want to go to the O’EST affair and see if my Kung Fu is stronger than BO’s.
I want to discorporate.
HA!!
(adaptation of classic Punk Rock song, California Uber Alles)
I am Senator Barry O
My aura smiles
And always glows
Soon I will be pres-i-dent
Dubya power will soon go away
I will be Fuhrer one day
I will command all of you
Your kids will eat arugula in school
Your kids will eat arugula in school!
Camp Obama Uber Alles
Uber Alles Camp Obama
Zen fascists will control you
100% natural
You will slave for the Chi-ca-go mob
Or you’re going to lose your job
Close your eyes, can’t happen here
Big O on white horse is near
The yuppies won’t come back you say
Hail Obama or you will pay
Hail Obama or you will pay!
Camp Obama Uber Alles
Uber Alles Camp Obama
Now it is 2008
Knock knock at your front gate
It’s the “Civilian Domestic Security Force”
Ha ha complain until you are hoarse
Come quitely to the camp
Don’t forget Michelle wants your Tiffany lamp,
Don’t you worry, it’s only a shower
For your clothes here’s a pretty flower
Dine on organic color-balanced grass
Roll call vote in Denver my ass
You will croak, you little clown
When you mess with President O
When you mess with President O!
Here is historical footage of Jello Biafra singing the original lyrics about Jerry Brown. Some of his facial gestures remind me of O
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K217GdcrWvc
Best cover, very funny, Schwarzenegger instead of Brown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXZ9gGy3MnY
And here is Spongebob performing the song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Poi8DDyoQz0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Poi8DDyoQz0&feature=related
I loved Dead Kennedys.
I’ve had this song on my mind a lot lately.
Thanks for the adapted lyrics.
He wants to empower you to emPOWER him. It’s POWER we can believe in.
We already know the curriculum for the race-baiting sessions. And they’ll probably dust off the 4-page race-baiting memo they used in SC to falsely accuse the Clintons of racism.
Obama/Wright08
Sounds a lot like the Nazi youth camps to me. Looks like history really does repeat itself. BTW, one does not surround oneself with such an unsavory assortment of radicals who have advanced ones carreer for the past twenty years and NOT HAVE AN AGENDA. There is too much smoke in that wood pile not to be fire.
I hope someone has the guts to sneak a recording devise into the Brown Shirts School. The logo looks militaristic.
It has been my experience that it is much easier to identify enemy troops when they wear uniforms. Pass out the shirts, Barry. I don’t want to kick the wrong ass.
These damn kids following him all need a good spanking.
See, I think this thing is all Dr. Spock’s fault. That asshole said that spanking wasn’t effective. It worked on me, and very occasionally on two of my four kids.
If it had been used more frequently with these stupid little shits who follow Barry, we might not have come this way.
Amen to that Zeke.
Yep!
Agree about the militaristic logo. Folks, we may have a larger problem on our hands than just a “rock star” approach to politics. As we Democrats of a certain age used to say, “this scene is starting to freak me out”. Let’s hope (npi) that you’re right in that someone has the courage to infiltrate this latest expression of culthood and come out with the word on these training camps.
Change we can cry over.
This just gets more and more bizarre. Only on the heels of the disaster Bush could this happen - a completely inexperienced, duplicitous, snake-charming, “blank screen” gets pushed through.
It’s still bewildering that the Democrats would push this totally inappropriate person onto the ballot. It looks like a takeover to me, a hostile takeover. I don’t trust any of those Democrats who corrupted the primaries and are pushing this guy forward.
We are on a slow slide headed for the historical dustbin. This has been going on for a very long time. If BushCo hadn’t stolen the election from Gore in 2000 I doubt we would be in this state of decline and Hillary would be on her way into the WH.
That the masses are fawning over Obama just reflects how desperate we have become over the past eight years of BushCo. People need to get some perspective on this and study the historical background leading up to this coup. We thought we’d seen it all with Bush because of his shredding of the Constitution, but wait until the New Age Messiah gets into office. Get ready for extensive brainwashing and government surveillance that is going to threaten our very lives. Imagine the kinds of kids running ragged through the streets, the same kind that went apeshit at the caucuses. They’ll be eating us alive. And I don’t think they are like the McGovern youth either; they are much more prone to violence as a result of over-indulgence via media, parents, schools etc. This generation coming up is one of entitlement, look at their leader? Isn’t he one of entitlement and ego gone awry? We are really in for it.
I’m beginning to think the Democrats helped Bush steal the election in 2000. Gore didn’t fight against it anyway. He says he thought there would be a revolution if he questioned Gore v. Bush! Well what does he think this is? And he ENDORSED Obama. My esteem of him has dropped into the basement.
Notice the Democrats did not impeach Bush so they could rein in the expanded Executive powers. The want to grab those powers for themselves and not to any good purpose.
Exactly!!
and Obama officially became the Establishment’s candidate last summer when he became the ONLY DEM to declare Bush and Cheney HAD NOT committed impeachable offenses!
NObama!!
Gore did begin to fight and he was “counseled” by his party to stop “for the good of the country” and you can see where that got us.
When Third party candidate Perot was running for president he swore the safety of his family had been threatened; however, this is the guy who hired an army of mercenaries to get his employees out of Iran during the hostage crisis and succeeded.
There are a lot of us who don’t have direct memories of the assassinations that took place in the 1960s and 1970s but babyboomers have a right to be cynical about politics and politicians because we have continued to move further away from the FDR, JFK, MLK AND RFK ideology with every election. The one lone stop in this steady march was when Bill Clinton, who idolized John Kennedy, interfered for 8 years. And now Senator Hillary Clinton, another JFK admirer, is perceived as such an unstopable threat that her own party tipped their hand by stealing her votes for Obama. Nothing different here; same as 2000 and 2004 except Obama’s narcissism had caused him to be quite open about his dirty political tricks. Obama camps. How HJ.
this is the guy who hired an army of mercenaries to get his employees out of Iran during the hostage crisis and succeeded.
He got the Job Done.
Executive Power & the Bush Administration hearing in the House today is really worth watching.
About that impeachment. Seems they’ve resurrected the Kucinich motion on that. Got an email to support it today. Is Dennis K. really that stupid or what? The last time his supporters got all worked up, when he promised impeachment was on the way, instead he was called into the “Judicial Committee” for a special private meeting - about which he said little except that he wasn’t following through then, after all.
Now his supporters are recirculating email petition link to reactivate that dead horse. PLEASE DO NOT SIGN ON.It is evident that Nasty Pelosi is behind this - just as she was behind blocking impeachment earlier on. But NOW they can use that to tie the negative attention to McCaine- so suddenly the impeachment we hoped for 2 yrs ago is a bright timely idea - when GW has only a few months left in office!
The economy is tanking, banks are falling, gas is going through the roof, people are being thrown out of their homes, hyperinflation is forecast - while the messiah is shooting photo ops and hoops overseas and the xxxxing do nothing Dems in congress want to get focused on impeachment.
Beyond outrageous!!!
I dont trust the Dems any further than I could throw them all at once.
They arent doing anything but letting things slide, further and further downhill. The bastards.
Yeah Bush and Rove and all of em got it on a roll, but the Dems arent doing anything to put it back together again are they?
Im completely bamboozled by Gore’s actions. Could not figure out why he just passively let it go then, but kind of wondered if maybe he was a bigger pansy ass that I had thought. Now I think it was the Dem party calling the shots and he had to take a vacation. Notice he took a really loonnnng vacation…….
Maybe you are right about the Dem party wanting things to slide so far into the toilet with Bush and co. stealing our constitutional rights, that theyd stay that way, we’d all get used to it and just hanker for more being crammed down our throats.
Puhleeze,
What these candy ass little shits know about violence you could put on the pointy end of a pin. If ever a group wanted its ass kicked its them.
Trust me, these asshats are not a viable threat as far as violence goes. There are nearly three generations of combat veterans waking our streets. If you think for a moment that there will be an outbreak of violence that will last, you’re mistaken. I’m not hoping for it but I am not afraid at all. I mean it. Screw ‘em.
Besides, didn’t Barry leave his gun in Philly?
This is an enigma to me as well. I can’t begin to imagine how the Democratic Party allowed this to happen. And how can they allow this circus to continue?
Because they (Democrats) were victimized by the Republicans during the last eight years, or they felt so. Now they have decided to fight fire with fire. Instead of them standing for integrity and honesty in elections, they have taken on their perceived dictators’ traits. So they have basically sold out their beliefs and have become dictators themselves. All very convoluted stuff.
Convergence theory.
We become our enemies.
The Dem Party couldn’t resist an Empty Suit cash cow.
Or do they really wish to lose? I go back and forth on this question.
Me too. I always felt the Democrats seemed like they were shadow boxing rather than fighting an ideological foe.
No, I think “they” know or feel certain that they can steal the election. Control electronic voting?
I think they can. “They” now control the MSM. Voter control training camps….graduates coming to a town near you.
When a nation has endured a period of such upheaval as that brought us by Bush, then that’s exactly when it’s ripest for the man on the white horse.
I agree that troubled times bring out false messiahs and that Bush isn’t going on anyone’s top ten presidents list but the world’s a lot bigger cesspit than any single politician’s abilities or disabilities could ever contain.
Simplifying blame for problems leads only to more and greater problems. Barry is a striking example of this type of result.
To my recollection, the last time I saw our government apply itself as an entity was when Pres. Reagan was able to suade Dem’s that the defeat and collapse of the Soviet Union superseded any partisanship. The fact that Reagan got some of this done by subterfuge after a truly stupid decision by congress to emasculate the CIA, is only an explanation of what happened, not an excuse for the trickery. Some have said that the lying was worth the price but that road leads to destruction. ‘Ends and means’ is for Marxists.
What must occur for this useless cycle of blame to end is to stop using moral equivalence to excuse immoral actions. No more can we justify immoral decisions on the basis that the opponent has done so first. Our politicians must be held to a degree of honor and accountability that they are forced to become Pillars of Society. They become as the greats who came before because we will accept nothing less.
I believe we have the right to demand of our elected officials at all levels that they be honorable and responsible for their actions.
Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and take your pick were just men too. The difference between then and now is only time. Men and women today can stand up to the test of scrutiny if they are ethical, responsible people who are able to choose the Right thing to do and be responsible for the decision.
This, I believe, is where we must go from here.
I was waiting for the Lady on a white horse myself.
Obama’s campaign is looking more like the Brown Shirts everyday. He sure likes the young–they’re more impressionable.
Sounds like Scientology or EST all over again. Wasn’t there a Jesus Camp that someone made a documentary out of?
This is EXACTLY what it is.
I was just going to comment that this sounds like Scientology training. And yes, Jesus Camp was about those indoctrinating Jesus daycamps the fundies send their kids to.
Speaking of Scientologists, they usually perch their butts outside of the Old Navy in downtown San Francisco to indoctrinate people. The funny thing is that they weren’t out there the other day when I went in–but the Obamatrons were. Obamatrons hocking their own DIY Obama pins and shirts (which were fugly, BTW). And a few days later there were some other Obamatrons there hocking THEIR shirts, which looked like propaganda shirts, red stars and propaganda-like font as well.
Scary!!
Hmmmm…..makes me wistfully nostalgic for Krishnas in the airports…..
…in downtown San Francisco to indoctrinate people.
Man o Mon pick your flavor.
As far as the Jesus Fair goes…
I’m pretty sure they were there to preach Love, since that is one of the names of their God.
Indoctrination in Love is a little different than this zombie crap but it is a good referent.
Where’s that Operation Clambake Guy when we need him ? huh?
Yes, from Bush to this? Haven’t we suffered enough?
I guess his Nazi youth camps will brainwash everyone so they can learn the fine techniques of threatening voters at the polls in November, distributing propaganda leaflets, how to give speeches like Hit-oh I mean Obama.
The training includes a workshop by Bill Ayers on how to trample flags and bomb government buildings with impunity.
I’ve been spoofing on this for a couple of days writing memos to NQ regulars as to what to expect of the New Party for a New America signed by Commissar Donna Brazeal….Unfortunately….spoofin is usually based in part in REALITY….
*** OBAMA IS A FASCIST AND UNFIT FOR ANY ELECTIVE OFFICE ***
Thanks for the post….NQ keep up the fight….
Oblockhead is both a Fascist and a Bolshevik. He’s managed to combine polar philosophies in one personality cult. He can now be right and left at the same time. As he more of himself and his corrupt philosophy, I find myself more and more repulsed.
“as he reveals more of himself.” Mea culpa.
HMMMM….Kinda like how Liberation Theology solved the ATHEIST problem and attracted po’ christians to SOCIALISM….Black Liberation Theology by adding that special RACIAL emphasis qualifies as FASCIST…..
IN AN AGE OF PERFECTED SYNTHESIS….I THINK YOU NAILED IT!
Good Post Ferdberfle….
**** FASCIST IS AS FASCIST DOES ****
His training camps can’t very well openly teach intimidation because, hopefully, there will be a lot of spies and maybe even some investigative-type journalists attending these events. And, of course, there is no honor among thieves, so they have to be careful.
I’ll bet they’ll emphasize the importance of teamwork and obediance (disguised in someway to be palatable to all age groups, especially young people). The training will also inform everybody about the need to tune out and out shout any opposing view points. And if Caroline Kennedy and Claire McCaskill were convinced by their children to support Obama, then they’ll try to turn all the attendees into proselytizers. Maybe that’s part of the reason Obama’s courting the evangelicals since conversions are their stock-in-trade.
Cult tactics probably sums it up.
I am sure there are some good psycologists around who could come up with some pretty good predictions of the course content.
There seems to be a misunderstanding going on regarding Obama and the Evangelicals. I want to try to set this straight a little.
Evangelicals already have a Savior. They are DEDICATED to Him, not Barry. There is no room for Barry in their hearts basically because, whatever you may think about them, they believe in moral behavior and compassion. Since Barry has none of those traits, they will not be deceived by his line.
It is really that simple. Evangelicals aren’t pacifists usually, they will fight. Go to an Evangelical church sometime and notice how many servicemen and their families are there.
I say again… Barry has no power over Evangelicals. None.
Maybe the Evangelicals should speak out against this nitwit then. Someone point out that obama is not Jesus! PERIOD!
They are all of the same mind in this pretty much so they’ll just go and vote. I think most of decided this way a long time ago.
Besides, with the way Christians are treated in the media, it is probably better for them to just quietly vote for McCain rather than alienate the rest of the country.
To win over the evangelicals, Obama will speak their language and hope that is all they hear. He has already done that having himself photographed in front of a shining cross and having his Senate colleagues testify to his deep religious faith. (Rev Wright and Fr Pfleger, his spiritual advisors, lost some of their credibility along the way).
Also, for some reason, the evangelicals seem to have a problem with John McCain. I don’t know what the problem is, but it is clearly evident just casually browsing certain websites. Perhaps, as a group, they just realize how badly used they were by the Bush people. They were certainly instrumental in getting that fraud elected.
I hope you are correct, but Obama, or whoever does his thinking for him, seems to think otherwise.
I am one - and a blogger and investigator of bo. Here’s what I can tell you:
1. obama camp is following to the letter the ODM strategy of odinga in kenya- and I do mean to the letter. This is their internal action plan - and I will soon publish it. All will recognize its every step in bozo’s campaign. One portion is dedicated to “emotionally incited youth” and another to ridiculing the opposition as too old. Sound familiar.
2. As to what they will do at their Camp. Much of it will be innocent enough- ie, just strategic classic grass roots coordination. However, the Camp’s foundation will certainly be to further arouse the emotions of participants into tying their own identity into this “cause.” They will also train, as they did in the primaries to “avoid discussing specific issues with voters” but instead to “focus on sharing how he makes you feel (ie how you were brought to this cause= more emotions!)
3. Finally, they will bring all this emotion to its apex by singuarily making clear that it is absolutely critical that obama MUST WIN. Implied and encouraged, if not stated, will be an overall strategy of WINNING AT ALL COST. In other words, any means justify this end.
This inversion of values should not be surprising, as it was touted at length by a pro-obama journalist just last month, who wrote an extensive essay on why it was OK for him to back down of FISA,etc. because “WINNING IS THE ULTIMATE VALUE.” So that is what the obamanite campers will be taught.
What the Obama camp will also be doing is selecting individuals for more in depth training. The first self selected group will probably have spies — and a show will be put on for the spies.
But the real objective is to select the individuals who really really believe in messiah Obama.
As I’ve mentioned above — I’ve seen how these specially trained Obama thugs work.
From the selected group — team leaders will be selected and given specific training on how to “community organize”. Bamaling is going to need a tremendous funding source — so who know some of these kids may be sent out (Moonie style) to raise money for the cause.
This is how the cults work — but in this case the potential cult members will self select for the Obama training — and techniques can be used to quickly find the most likely ready for the next step.
Obama doesn’t want the old democrat network — he has thrown the people under the bus — he wants the old network MONEY. But he needs compliant “motivated” volunteers.
I have already seen how these Obamabots work — I knew exactly what was happening — but I am the ONLY one who was aware of the massive manipulation going on by teams of Obamabot during the caucus. They are really well trained — and what is amazing my caucus precinct is in a very rural area. There are NEVER well attended — until Obama came along and bought the county dems OFF.
Some of us are immune — but many people are not immune to the sort of psychological warfare that Obama’s gang is using.
Northwest,
Your observations are exttremely astute:
The second sentence I disagree with for the moment. Obama is getting mucho cash from overseas that he will “Launder” through his “spiritual” churches, so called charities like the Woods Fund, and Arab American Action Network, as well as ACORN of course, and other “charities” or “Boards” he and Michelle were/are involved with. So it may be some time down the road before he needs to resort to:
However, given that BO goes through money like dry kindling in a fire pushed by Santa Ana winds, it may not be too long before he resorts to the more despicable tactics you mentiioned.
unityindiversity
Ani and I would both be very very interested in your article and the research you have done. Can you SHOUT out to us and let us know so we don’t miss it?
pcmck
Obamanation is a cult. Always has been, always will be.
I eagerly await the downfall of this horrifying Stalin wannabe. John McCain looks normal compared to Obama.
John McCain looks humble compared to Obama and seems warm and ingratiating.
McCain looks….HUMAN….in comparison….
McCain does look better in comparison to many of us, but not good enough for me to vote for him and the crowd he brings with him. Unless we have a surprise at convention, then I’m simply skipping the top line on the ballot and continue yellow-dogging the lower lines. I CANNOT vote for McCain or any other Republican. NEVER.
A blank space is an invitation for a vote theft IMHO. But I respect everyone’s right to vote their conscience. I just pray there aren’t too many blank spaces!
Thank you. You may be right, but I’m sticking with a lifetime of voting principles.
I am too. I’m against voting for someone that left the people in his own district with no heat during a Chicago winter.
Someone that didn’t know that the people in his own district had collapsing ceilings and rat ridden halls.
Someone that funneled money (taxpayer dollars) to the very people that were supposed to fix these things and didn’t.
Someone that left these people, that filed formal complaints, in a worse condition than he found them.
Complaints that he claims he may have known something about but now can’t remember.
He couldn’t take care of folk in his own backyard. How is supposed to fix the problems of an entire country?
And I respect that. But please understand that, if I have to vote “for” McCain in order to vote “against” Obama, then I won’t. Instead, I’ll abstain for the first time in my Democratic life, for that’s the best I can do to protest the corrupt empty suit. The only other choice would be to vote for John McCain. But, seeing as how he has reaffirmed his conservative principles, including opposition to choice, opposition to gay marriage, being for a Scalia-dominated Court, and a tendency to use the U.S. military in a too-trigger happy way, I can’t vote for him.
May I suggest that you look for a third party candidate you could vote for. There are usually several on the ballot. As an Independent voter who is usually unhappy with the two party choices, I always check them out. Several years ago the Natural Law party actually had a candidate who gave his speech by using a chalkboard to show how he could and would balance the budget - impressed me! (This was when CNN carried 3rd party conventions also.)
Haven’t heard much about who the 3rd party candidates are this year except for Nader and McKinney and they do vary from state to state but it’s worth checking out because every vote for a 3rd party is a vote counted against both the Republican and Democratic parties and make perfectly clear that you just didn’t overlook it. That’s one way Bush “won” in Florida in 2000; all those unmarked ballots for president.
Jesus Tapdancing Christ, the highminded purity people are at it again.
How many unmarked ballot were there compared with Nader votes. What are the numbers.
NADER GAVE US BUSH.
Have to agree with you there rij….It’s not as if my former PROTESTING THE IDIOCY OF THE DNC BY NOT VOTING had any impact….( except to salvage my temper )
*** FOLKS STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO AS THEY SEE FIT….
But I WANT MY VOTE TO COUNT! AGAINST FASCISM! ***
For the first time in 29 years I will vote against the FASCISTS WHO HAVE SEIZED CONTROL OF THE PARTY BUILT BY FDR….I will vote against these people downticket until they are GONE!
That to me is following my conscience. A NQ regular posts often Country before Party….To me this is an exercise of that.
LB,
You will get John McCain or Obama in return for your gesture.
I know — unless we have an open revolt at the Convention, and the chances of that are still slim. So, I’ll live with the vote I don’t cast on the top line and be gratified I have plenty of other good Democrats to vote for down the line.
Hey LB,
I’m like you I know I can’t vote for McCain and refuse to vote for Obama so I’ll vote Dem down ticket although I’ve always liked Nader even though he’ll never win. But I remember Nader from the 70s and he’s been consistant and principled on who he is. And that’s important to me.
LB- better watch out for those “good Democrats down the line.” It is they who put us in this position by giving their endorsement to obama - in many cases flagrantly violating the Will of the People of their district and state.
Do you really want to vote for down-ticket traitors who put us in this position. Recommend you check the primary stats for your state and district and check at DemConWatch for which Pres nominee your local down-ticketers endorsed and when they gave this endorsement.
LB- better watch out for those “good Democrats down the line.” It is they who put us in this position by giving their endorsement to obama - in many cases flagrantly violating the Will of the People of their district and state.
Do you really want to vote for down-ticket traitors who put us in this position. Recommend you check the primary stats for your state and district and check at DemConWatch for which Pres nominee your local down-ticketers endorsed and when they gave this endorsement.
You will go down with the rest of us if you think like that . Four years of McCain is better than four with the Muslim.
Or a life time with a Muslim. “once the camel gets it’s nose under the tent, there goes the tent.”
Here’s the big diff for me….McCain despite his current rhetoric has never been quit the proper Republican Good lil’ soldier….He’s as independent a thinker as you can get with that crowd and that is reassuring somewhat….
I live in GOP ground zero ( TEXAS ) which is basically a mildly fascist state.
I have survived….I can live with it for a little while longer until HRC and other intelligent folks win back the nation…..Obama and the FASCISTS REMAKING AMERICA IS WAAAY MORE SCARY……