Is O/K a Double-Down? Degrees of slippery-ness and Bushness, 25 minutes I’ll not get back and other stuff
By LisaB on July 31, 2008 at 7:00 AM in Afghanistan, Barack Obama, Commander in Chief, NBC
1) Time magazine has an interesting take on the democratic veep stakes. If, as conventional wisdom says right now, Tim Kaine and Joe Biden are the most likely candidates, then these two men offer sharp contrasts.
So, does he double down — or does he compensate?
Time sees Kaine as a “double down” - a man so like Obama that their combined weaknesses just intensify the lack of experience all around. Biden, the “compensator,” would help strengthen the ticket by being strong in Obama’s weak areas, but he is not an “outsider.” And Obama is all about the “outsider.”
However, Biden has said before he was not interested in the vp slot and feels he is better used in the Senate.
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Senator Biden, a front-runner in the media VP stakes whose own bid for the Democratic nomination this year was short-lived, said on NBC television: “I am not interested in the vice presidency.”
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“Unlike most other people, I’m being straight with you. If asked, I will do it. I’ve made it clear I do not want to be asked,” said the Delaware senator, 65, whose birth state of Pennsylvania is a big prize in November’s election.Biden said he would have to say yes because “am I going to say to the first African-American candidate about to make history in the world that, ‘No, I will not help you out like you want me to’? Of course I’ll say yes.”
So, Biden would be on board, but reluctantly. Perhaps not the vibe the Obama camp is looking for. And this is not news. So either the float of his name is to persuade him or to make it look like Kaine has some competition.
2) Slate has a piece discussing Obama’s ability to shrug off any damaging information.
You could call Obama the Teflon-coated candidate, but this would miss the fact that his slickness goes all the way to the core. What has gone unexplored until now is this: How did Barack Obama achieve superslipperiness without becoming greasy?
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Like Chief Justice John Roberts, Obama has constructed a professional résumé low on embarrassing material. In this regard, Obama’s lack of legislative accomplishment is a genuine achievement. They can’t hit you where they can’t find you, which is a gambit that worked for Roberts in his confirmation hearings. Separating the real Obama from the persona is probably impossible. . .
3) Slate did a piece last week about the post-world tour Obama that you shouldn’t miss. Apparently, Obama’s Bush-like aspects really came through to some reporters asking about the trip.
Barack Obama’s trip to Iraq was so presidential that at moments, he sounded like our current White House resident. When Karen Tumulty of Time asked Obama what he’d learned on his trip, he said, “It confirmed a lot of my beliefs.” Lara Logan of CBS asked him if he was ever in doubt that he could lead the country in war as commander in chief, and he answered, “Never.”
After seven and a half years of George Bush, we should pause when a man auditioning for president says that the facts confirmed his beliefs and that he’s never in doubt.
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Before Obama flew to Baghdad, I asked his top foreign-policy adviser, Susan Rice, what kinds of questions he’d asked of his advisers over the months to test whether his Iraq withdrawal plan still matched the realities on the ground in Iraq. Rice gave me no examples. And now that the trip is over, we have no better sense of how Sen. Obama thinks about Iraq. It’s not that I expect grand revelations. But Obama still holds the same policy views he did more than a year and a half ago, even though a lot has changed since then in Iraq, and a lot of those events appear to contradict his earlier views. We know that Obama hasn’t moved, but we don’t know, really, why that’s so.
The author goes on to discuss Obama’s views of the surge and how his predictions around that surge were so wrong.
Some people would say the vote on the surge was one of Obama’s most important as a senator. As Obama pointed out regularly during the Democratic primaries with Hillary Clinton and John Edwards, both of whom voted to authorize the Iraq war, a person’s past vote tells you something about his or her judgment. Obama has talked a lot about the clarity of his judgment in opposing the Iraq war. He also once suggested that if he’d been forced to cast an actual vote for or against the Iraq war as a senator, his view might have been complicated. On the surge, we get a chance to watch Obama grapple with similar complexities in real time. Or, at least, we should.
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If Obama was wrong about the tactical gains that would be made by the new strategy and wrong about how the Iraqi political leaders would react, can his larger theory about how Iraqis will respond to a troop pullout remain intact? Perhaps, but he has the burden of explanation. Does he elide contradictions, claim they’re irrelevant, and generally spin? In his interview with NBC’s Brian Williams, he suggested that he’d always said the surge would decrease violence in Iraq. That’s not just spin. It’s not true.
The author ends comparing Obama’s certainty and unwillingness to re-evaluate his stance to Bush’s famous stubbornness. I’m not sure I agree with that. Obama has been distressingly able to change his position on any number of issues, to the point where no one knows just where he stands.
But the Obama campaign has framed Iraq as his signature issue. Although in no position whatsoever to cast a vote (he was not a part of the federal government at the time) on going to war, Obama has said over and over he opposed it - going so far as to film a “do-over” of a speech where he said he opposed the war.
The fact that the American public largely agrees that the war is unnecessary and wrong means Obama cannot back away from his other positions on that war. Doing so would expose the fact that he is as likely as anyone to overlook the complexities of our involvement and might not make the correct subsequent decisions. If he can keep voters’ minds on the fact that he was originally against the war, he might make them believe he will make correct decisions from here on out. No one can promise that.
4) Realclearpolitics has the Brian Williams interview with Obama mentioned above, although not in transcript form. (I prefer transcript so I don’t get distracted by the visuals.)
I decided to watch, on NQ readers’ behalf, without coffee, and noted a few items. Times are a little general, not exact.
Obama claims, at 2:26, that his world judgements will make us safer.
When asked about his judgment about the surge, at 4:05, he remains adamant that he was right.
And if we had followed his opinions about Iraq - around 5:22, we would not have spent money or lost lives.
Around 7:35 or so, Williams asks Obama about his discussions with General Petraeus. Obama says Petraeus was animated in talking about what he sees for Iraq, as was Obama. But Obama then says he expected that Petraeus would be focused when talking about what he needs in Iraq, but when Petraeus moves to command Central Command that might change.
That strikes me as very telling. Despite the seriousness of the topic, Obama expects Petraeus to change his position when he leaves Iraq. Now, if the general was in charge of expense accounts and was moving from being a traveling salesman to being a manager, I’d have no issue with that. But the notion that Petraeus might significantly change his positions on Iraq as he changes his job concerns me that Obama sees everything as relative, squishy and negotiable.
He also shows that while he expects subordinates to advocate for their needs, he, himself, will have to remain above the fray to make more over-arching decisions - probably on some cost-benefit basis the way a manager would.
This does remind me of Bush - the unwillingness to get down in the weeds to thoroughly understand an issue before dealing with it. Obama plans to delegate and to be the decider.
At about 9:38, he mentions the residual force to be left in Iraq. While this has not gotten much attention, I’m real curious about what this force will be, how big it will be and what it will do. It so reminds me of how Vietnam got started.
At 11:00 he says again that his judgement on “this set of issues” [Iraq] has been right.
At 17:30 Obama talks about drawing down contractors at same rate as troops - as if contractors only do dining halls.
Somewhere around 21:35 or so, Williams asks the burning question about whether Americans should be concerned about Budweiser being sold to Belgium and the Chrysler building being sold to Abu Dhabi.
Williams follows this up by saying at about 24:17:
“You’ve said on this trip that you’re probably able to fall asleep standing up. . . How often do you have to remind yourself that if you get this job you want it’s going to push you beyond the limits you thought you had.”
Obama answers by saying he has found his “fifth and sixth” gear and that he thinks the job needs energy and enthusiasm.
Watch it if you like. Having subjected myself to the 25 minute interview, I can’t say I recommend it.
5) The LA Times has a piece that says Obama met with some influential women to talk about, among other things, the treatment of HRC during the campaign. Unfortunately, the story pretty much stops there. It would be nice to hear what actually got said.
6) Dick Morris discusses this “women problem” Obama has.
The problem is that older women don’t like Obama as much as younger women do. While 70 percent of women under 40 have a favorable opinion of the Democratic candidate, only 58 percent of women in their 40s feel the same way, and only 52 percent of those over 50 see him favorably.
For a Democrat to be losing among women over 40 is without precedent in the past 20 years.
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But a bigger problem may be a cultural alienation older white women feel toward Obama. The Rev. Jeremiah Wright may linger as a worry in their increasingly gray heads as they contemplate an Obama presidency. This fear of the unknown and the gap they seem to feel with Obama is so strong that it is overcoming their normal proclivity to back Democrats.
Well, duh. OK. Fine. But consider the source. It’s entertaining, but I wouldn’t put much stock in it.
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Regarding the Dick Morris article — I believe that the polls are not capturing a significant number of older men who are also put off by Obama. Three of my close associates/family members in that category would ordinarily be considered extremely safe Democratic supporters but two of them are voting McCain, one Nader.
Also feel that Morris’ idea that a woman VP (other than Hillary) would help him with older women is off the mark. My gut instinct tells me that the opposite would be true.
Morris is a pig. The idea that “any” woman would help is yet another insult. We love Hillary because of her superior intelligence, proven experience, amazing dedication and commitment, and superhuman strength. Show me another woman on the national stage in politics who even comes close. It’s just another paternalistic “give the girls something nice and they’ll all come around” view. No surprise that Morris doesn’t understand us.
Toe sucker Morris doesn’t “get” women; that’s why he buys them.
Yes, I usually take the advice of creeps who have to hire whores.
the problem is that older women like myself can smell a RAT….and that is Obama
What that bunch can’t seem to understand (besides most things) is that older women such as myself are not older women of the past. My age group is the rock and roll age group, the civil rights march age group, the active older women, we have money, we do what we want, travel where we want.
I live in an apartment building with some women in their late 70s and in their 80s. They all have computers, except for one who sold hers because she said she spent too much time online.
If dnc had come up with a normal black candidate, we would have backed him or her, but they come up with a megalomaniac who hasn’t done a single positive thing in his life.
We aren’t the ladies of the civil war days. We have never had the vapors.
Good points!
LOL…the vapors.
DAB, I totally agree, and have a similar situation with close family friends, male and female who are usually staunch Dems. Not this year.
Also, re Morris: he fails to acknowledge what I believe to be the central reason that older women don’t support Obama: there’s a wisdom born of age and many many of us over 40 years old see right thru him. It’s not a cultural gap. It’s a judgment gap.
Any woman nominated to VP, other than Hillary would be seen as a huge slap in the face to her and all women and would work against Obie.
Further, I know plenty — and I mean plenty — of men, 40 and over, who will under no circumstances vote for Obama. They are all quite comfortable voting for McCain if the SDs don’t wake up from their koolaid induced stupor and nominate Hillary at the Convention.
I also know many women, needless to say — of all ages, who will under no circumstances vote for Obama. The comments I have been getting from them for months: “There’s no ‘there’ there” has not changed. But now to their feeling that he is empty, a more disturbing one has been added — that he is two-faced and dangerous and a misogynist and a homophobe.
Guess what — he is not going to win any of these people back. This is not one faux pas we are talking about. Their opinions have been solidified by months of watching this man perform poorly in debates, lie, flip-flop on critical policies.
The Democratic party is in real trouble.
I just got an e-mail from VoteforBoth saying that Obama has given Hillary the keynote speech at the convention. The e-mail goes on to say that this decision indicates that she has been eliminated from veep consideration.
I didn’t really want her to take the veep position, anyway, but I did notice a big red hand print across my cheek this morning. Anyone else?
Is he using a substance to get into 5th and 6th gears?
That was also a jab at McCain: you need “energy and enthusiasm for this job” (ie: to be young). The ageism card (again).
Yes and he’s the one that complains of being tired. I wonder if he’s older than he claims. Maybe that’s why no bc.
I’ve been wondering this, too. If he was born before 1959, that was before Hawaii was a state. Does that make him a citizen or really complicate things?
To all Comedians: No more McCain age jokes please — they’re getting OLD!
On a bike with 16-plus gears, that isn’t very high.
Obama’s Women Problem- Obama can’t break 50% in the polls. He has hit a glass ceiling he can’t break through. And guess who forms that ceiling? WOMEN! Talk about poetic justice
Every time he trys to advance, we all stand firm and say “No you don’t” HA! Payback is a bitch!
PUMA
There is something wrong with these polls. My daughter had a party recently, she had friends there that range from military wifes to business owners and not one of them is voting for Obama. They’re all in their early 20’s. If 70% are voting for him you’d think there would have been a few there voting for him. Most were Hillary supporters a few were McCain supporters. When Hillary is out of the equation they moved to McCain. Only one had been supporting Obama early in the primaries till it started coming out about his ties. When she found out about him sitting in a church listening to Black Liberation theology(heard Rev. Wright) she was out of there.
Great post, my thoughts exactly!
Good Post….Th problem is that Obama reminds Older Folks of those disappointing kids they are busy writing out of their wills…No ?
Obama is so like Bush even in conversation- they both make my head spin. Could coke use be the common factor or is it inexperience? Is it their religious beliefs? They are so much alike. Maybe its their common link to Cheney ‘as part of the family’.
Bush was a huge mistake and so is Obama.
Oh and they both DEPEND on others to do all the thinking and the work for them. Scary.
I think you may be onto something with the coke use. Maybe it pushes a borderline NPD into a full-fledged case. It sort of makes sense in a medical way; overstimulating the thought processes of an already insecure and self-absorbed person that feels the world owes them something. Bears some investigation since we’ve had 2 high profile cases. Any psychiatrists out there interested in doing a study?
Makes me believe Obama is the corporate candidate. The corporatists thought they couldn’t get a Republican elected this year, so they put a Republican on the Democratic ticket. Obama Dems are fools.
Interesting that we’re not hearing anything from Anne Coulter and her ilk this time around. That tell you something? Ordinarily she’d have two or three books out by now slamming the Democratic candidate.
Puhleaze! Obama isn’t a Republican. That credit goes all to Democrats! Congratulations!
Besides, we have our own dramas in the Republican Party.
Ann is in a pickle at the moment. She doesn’t like John McCain and promised to help Hillary if he was the top of the ticket for the Republicans. Only problem is Barack Obama and his minions ended up at the top (for now).
I don’t blame you for not liking the comparison.
But they could almost be TWIN brothers. LOL!
I agree with you Rep. Chick….Obama isn’t a typical Republican although he can try and play one on TeeVee….
*** OBAMA IS A FASCIST AND UNFIT FOR ANY ELECTIVE OFFICE ***
I agree. So what the hell happened to the Democratic party? I am so baffled that we are even still talking about Obama, I am going nuts. This election year is so bizarre.
Can we offer some reward for whoever drops the October (or earlier-we’ll offer a bonus) surprise???
Nobama!
Money…and extremists from the FAR LEFT ( Fascists )….Just like the GOP
Money and Extremists from the FAR RIGHT ( Fascists ) ala Falwell…..
Centrists and Moderates of both parties get squeezed in the faction action….
Fear is a typical Fascist method….
At least bush goes to a normal church.
It’s normal alright… if you started your day nuts.
RFLMAO….and a sputter….Bush is Jesus Lil’ Soldier on a MISSION….
Now….it kinda depends on which Jesus your more comfortable with….The Historical/Traditional Jesus and that mission….
Or The REAL JESUS….A Black Ghetto Freedom Fighter Out To Get Rid Of That Old Cracker Imperialist Eurocentric Capitalist Judeo-Christian God.
**** JUST SAY NO TO THEOCRACY….ANOTHER FORM OF FASCISM ***
I agree — his train of thought seems to wander all over the place and I am left thinking, “huh?”
Thanks for the round up Lisa–you always do a great job keeping us informed. A few things stand out for me:
1. “In his interview with NBC’s Brian Williams, he suggested that he’d always said the surge would decrease violence in Iraq. That’s not just spin. It’s not true.”
So, did Williams (or anyone else) actually CONFRONT HIM for lying AGAIN on national TV? I can still remember him denying that he was using a lobbyist as his NH Campaign Manager during that debate. I was shocked that he lied, right in front of a national audience, and then even more stunned when NO ONE FOLLOWED UP! Now, it’s second nature to him. He lies constantly without consequence.
2. “This does remind me of Bush - the unwillingness to get down in the weeds to thoroughly understand an issue before dealing with it. Obama plans to delegate and to be the decider.”
He has said this several different times. Remember the debate when he admitted he can’t keep track of a piece of paper, but is not the CEO type? His “off mic” discussion recently also confirmed this: he needs chunks of time for “thinking” while the others, who know a lot more about all of these things (ie: than he does) can advise him on the details, then it’s up to him to decide. Great. That’s worked out really well for Bush. You cannot fully understand complex international, domestic, and Constitutional issues if they are not deeply assimilated. [See Hillary for examples re: true conviction such as FISA & health care]
3. I am SO TIRED of him beating the “I voted against the war” horse. It was a “fairy tale” in the beginning as Bill said, and it is a fairy tale still. Again, NO ONE holds him accountable for continuing to lie about this, and IT HAS WORKED. I know of two intelligent people how repeated to me recently that “he voted against the war.” It’s infuriating. We’ve seen how strong and principled he is in the face of a difficult decision (130 present votes, 6 “wrong levers”, 40% votes missed as Senator, and caving on Cheney’s energy bill, FISA, public financing etc.). I am still amazed that he has built a candidacy on this complete fallacy.
4. I am also OVER his “discussions” with women about the treatment of Hillary during the primaries. HE WAS A BIG PART OF THAT SHITTY TREATMENT! I am not going to list all the examples of his sexist behavior yet again, but he is only “listening” now (and his wife is out there shilling for the women’s vote too), because he can’t win without it. Total hypocrites, which fits into many of their other self-serving and unreliable positions.
A big reminder he didn’t vote against the war, he gave a speech, but that is always what gets picked up.
He says he gave a speech.
And there was no political risk to make that speech because he was speaking to a group of sympathetic left wingers at the time. If he were in the Senate, he might have acted differently. So the speech versus a vote is like apples and oranges.
I just bet he would have voted “present” on the war.
Where the hell is his statement condemning Bush’s new policy grouping certain birth control methods with abortion. He has not said one damned word about that, so I think any pretense that he cares about women is more bs.
If Obama opposed the war as much as he says he did, he would have given more than one speech. And we have only rhetorical evidence that ever happened. No actual evidence of that speech exists like so much of Obama’s life, we are expected to trust that he gave this speech and what he said. No written copy of the speech, no videotape. I’m sure he did give a speech, just like I know he was born. But I don’t really know what he said for sure, and I don’t know where he was born for certain.
I hear he is “brilliant”. THat’s all I have heard for 4 years. But, I still haven’t seen any evidence of that either. He has never produced anything to demonstrate his brilliance. Everything he has done personally, by himself, is shrouded in secrecy.
apishapa -
Perfect! Just perfectly said.
The only brilliance that oozes from Obama is that he surrounds himself with lies and slime, lubricating his passage through his political life. In a sense you can call this brilliant (trust me, a lot of people are calling it just that who want him in the White House) but the truth is that anyone that is sleazy and cunning at getting what they want at any cost can also be referred to as brilliant.
I have already decided that we must have Hillary as our nominee if my party wants my vote. If it is not Hillary, it will definitely be McCain. I thought about not voting but that seems a bit silly in light of the fact that if I do not want Obama, and I have only one other choice, why not vote for the other choice? The other choice does not make me want to puke. Even though I am not in agreement with McCain on a lot of issues I do have respect for him.
But right now my mind is set for Hillary only and if the Super-D’s get over their affliction, I will be able to vote democratic and we will have sanity in the White House.
Maybe if those old geezers that run him hadn’t dumped their first wives and married children, they would understand women more. Do they seriouly think those young girls just love them madly. It’s the money, honey.
Obama didn’t “Cave” on the Dick Cheney Energy Bill, he got $269,900 from the employees of Exelon for that vote. This is the same company that had Thomas Ayers as CEO, father of WEATHERMEN TERRORIST William Ayers. Obama was helped greatly by the Ayers Family, that is how he became the Chairman of the Annenberg Challenge Grant and a position on the Board at the Woods Fund
Chris Rock once announced it to an audience as he went on about how much more exciting Obama was than “that white woman.” Then Robert Novak has printed this lie a couple of times in his columns, which people will be inevitably compelled to read for sensationalism alone.
Lisa took a risk for all of us who try to limit our exposure to MSM NEWSPORN in the interests of Self Preservation….Thanks….
LOL - thanks Lisa from saving us from the pain! I would recommend that next time your are thoroughly caffeinated, though!
The media still doesn’t have a clue as to why women over 40 don’t like Obama.
I have no cultural alienation toward Obama. Any other AA might suit me fine. This man is a race baiter, a liar, an empty suit, arrogant, narcisstic, and associated with pretty ugly people (Ayers, Wright, Rezko, etc.) This is just a touch of the iceberg.
He is also becoming slimy to me with his campaign tactics. Moving the DNC to Chicago (one of the most corrupt political cities in the nation); employing all those young, mean thugs who seem to be his front men; his sarcasm (I can’t stand to listen to him speak with his ahhhs all the time).
Since he may be our president, I am trying very hard to find something I like about the man. His past is somewhat hazy and I don’t think we have elected a president in my lifetime who has been so closed-mouth about his past. This seems so sinister to me. Where are his school records, his birth certificate, etc. Why can’t he be questioned about his past associates. He gets hysterical if you even try. What is he hiding?
I don’t trust him to get us out of Iraq with honor and integrity. Granted this war was a mistake and mismanaged but I still think we should behave honorably when we leave.
Wright is still an affront to me.
His wife is an affront to me. I didn’t have the opportunity to go to Harvard. I think she should get down on her hands and knees and thank her lucky stars she was one of the chosen to have the life she does. Talking about “mean old America” doesn’t cut it with me.
I don’t want either one of them in my White House.
I love this country. It doesn’t seem to me the Obamas do. I don’t care how many times they look into the camera and say they do. I don’t believe a word he says.
And the bottom line for me was what he did to the Clintons. I have tried but I cannot forgive him for that. No matter their faults, I believe the Clintons are public servants because they love this country and its people, all the people.
I agree with EVERYTHING you said Irish!!
I said this in the LA Times and the Washington Post.
If I as a white person chose to associate myself with the KKK, would I be a racist?
If I chose to associate myself with Skinheads, would I be a racist?
If you saw me hanging out with, attending their churches, going to parties with them, would one person say, “Not all those people are racist! Some just like the people they’re associating with.”
Not one person would. Which tells me if Obama was sitting in a church close to 20 years that preached Black Liberation Theology he was in “fact” a racist. He was a racist until it began to harm his campaign, then he changed overnight on something he believed more than half his life…
I believe that Geraldine Ferraro was really onto something when she saw early on the BO was using his race as a shield against criticism. Heaven help us if he gets to the White House and doesn’t need to answer the hard questions either because the press is still in the tank or because his followers will yell “Racism” at every turn.
By the way, I have visited black churches and have never seen the type of rhetoric that occurred in Wright’s church. Most black churches are spirited and raucous but their message is generally uplifting and often centers on Positive Thinking rather than victim-hood.
I saw the Brokaw interview on Meet the Press. He did a MUCH BETTER job of asking tougher questions. Williams let Obama answer and move on, almost without follow-up. The Brokaw interview was interesting; the Williams interview a waste of time.
Brokaw has nothin to prove and no job to hang on to…He’s fillin in as a favor.
Meanwhile Dan is sippin margueritas on the ranch laughin his ass off….
Off topic, but here is a piece on McCain by David Ignatious worth reading:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/07/the_humble_and_healed_mccain.html
With age comes self-recognition of one’s own weaknesses and strengths, something that is sorely lacking in Obama.
In the end, I do believe that voting for McCain rather than not voting at all or voting 3rd party will be best for the country.
Ditto.
Plus, it drives the Obamabots crazy when you say you’re voting McCain.
They’ve been filling up the comment threads. At least I’ve gotten to know these lovely people throughout the primaries. Obama is trying the same attacks he used on Clinton during the primaries. “This person is running a negative, dirty campaign and practicing the old politics.” The Republicans should nip this in the bud and put together a video of Obama’s disgusting behavior during the primaries - and there’s tons of footage. They should refer to the case of Obama leaking his opponent’s divorce files to the press, so he would be disgraced from the race. Obama is a POS scumbucket. McCain has run a very honorable campaign, besides Obama’s “hysteria” about Muslim rumors and racism.
Yes, I agree that McCain is receiving the Hillary treatment from BO i.e. he’s “losing his bearings” etc. — one more reason to vote McCain. I sincerely do not believe that he will carry the country to the far right. No telling what Obama would do anyways.
And the MSM is going along promoting it. I saw headlines today about the McCain ad showing Obama among his fawning fans. The MSM reported this as “an attack ad”….geez I thought the ad was going easy on him, too easy. Next they’ll say that McCain is “throwing the kitchen sink at him” HORRORS!
FYI, saw this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv4jnlkxOaw
BO’s bio-dad nor stepfather served in WWII.
How can someone so public, lie so often, and not get called on it? Sheesh.
Easy. He’s the corporate candidate.
Obama = New Coke…..No ?
Easy-Obama doesn’t know who he is and can’t (or won’t even verify is personal ID papers).
I think he was talking about his grandfather, and if you think about it his grandfather and grandmother were his Father and Mother. The other was just a sperm donor and a birthing chamber. They raised him, paid for his food and shelter. They sent him to private schools, etc. Personally, I think this is the first time he told the truth about anything.
This really made my blood pressure go up: Morris: “But a bigger problem may be a cultural alienation older white women feel toward Obama. The Rev. Jeremiah Wright may linger as a worry in their increasingly gray heads as they contemplate an Obama presidency. This fear of the unknown and the gap they seem to feel with Obama is so strong that it is overcoming their normal proclivity to back Democrats.” How is it that so many people in the media seem to think that when women hit a “certain age” whatever brains they ever had are now controlled by their “fear of the unknown” and our “cultural alienation.” I can tell you the all the women I know (40’s,50’s) are a LOT more well-informed, involved, intelligent, politically aware the “grayer” they get than they were in their twenties. This country has a BIG problem with stereotypical attitudes especially toward “older women.” Dick Morris needs to grow a brain, that’s for sure. He can go fuck himself with his “increasingly gray heads” bs.
Overexposure to MSM NEWSPORN….can be hazardous to health….LOL
Like Meeeechelle Obama who is an ASSAULT ON THE INTELLIGENCE ….I try to limit my exposure in the interest of self preservation….Just sayin’
I absolutely can’t stand dick morris ever since Clinton days. He needs to worry about his increasingly limp dick rather than our gray hair. And BTW, bo’s hair is very gray now.
I know what you mean, LizfromFL. I saw Morris saying the same thing on TV and found myself screaming at the TV. These idiot pundits don’t seem to get that this is a feminism issue. But maybe they just haven’t come to terms with the fact that Obama has single-handedly managed to reopen the feminism box again. Hey, maybe he can add that to his resume. God knows, it needs some padding.
I would say Obama is a chameleon but then I wouldn’t want to insult the lizzards. Or like the Apostle Paul who said he was all things to all men, except Obama is all things to Obama and screw everyone else. Obama is no more than a con-man and a hell of a lot less than the typical American citizen, and if Obama is as Lewis Farrakhan says “The hope of the world” then god must be damning the entire planet. Another man, about 2,000 years ago, said “Satan is the god of this world”. I believe that and I think Obama is the god of this world’s representative.
Dick Morris is a di…uh a$$
I have a growing irritation every time I hear someone say “…but obama does give a good speech”. He reads a good speech! I’d be willing to bet that he has never had anything to do with writing one speech. For that matter, I’m sure someone else wrote his books for him. So, I wish everyone would just say that he reads a good speech or whoever wrote that speech did a good job. Stop giving him credit for it; that’s just one more thing that he takes credit for that he doesn’t deserve. Thanks, I feel much better getting that off my chest. LOL
I have become a fan of the site American rhetoric….They have the top 100 speeches on that site….Obama comes no where close….Hill and Bill are there.
I’m glad someone else thinks like I do. I have said all along that Obama is no orator. When I think of great orators I think of someone like Winston Churchill who stirred a nation with his words. If you listen to Churchill’s speeches you will notice the absence of any ahs or ums. He was fluent with every word he uttered. The same cannot be said of Obama whose speaking is very disjointed, and he certainly doesn’t have the ability to capture you with his words. Churchill was also able to paint picture with words, something that Obama cannot do.
Erin…You might enjoy American rhetoric . com…..I was blown away by LBJ’s address to Congress on passing the Civil Rights Bill ( It’s in the top 100 )
And there is some kick ass speeches from Teddy Roosevelt about yellow journalism….I’m just sayin I discovered it (and kept my sanity ) when the MSM NewsPorn were gushin over Barry’s great speech on Race…BTW couple of kickass JJ Jackson speeches there too….
CheatedFLVoter-
Rich Little and Dana Carvey were way better at impersonations.
The creepy way Oblowme changes his voice for the different roles that he is always assuming
Bobby Kennedy, JFK, MLK,
show it’s all a big act by a con man.
Who is Oblowme pretending to be now?
Well, the polls say he needs experience, so let some gray grow in, but not too much ’cause the kiddies will be turned off.
Hell, De Niro is a great actor, but he’s a dipshit like Oblowme.
Even actor Ronald Reagan had tons of experience from managing the huge government of CA for years.
Kaine is a perfect Eddy Munster or Scott McClellan. But if he’s a Democrat, so is McCain.
Oblowme was bottom of his class at Columbia.
He got into Harvard as an AA legacy.
Harvard was pass/fail with boatloads of assistance.
He never wrote for the Harvard Law Review - and the President spot was handed to him, which is probably why he thinks POTUS should be handed to him.
What we know for sure is that Oblowme is an anti-American terrorist sympathizer.
Fools for Oblowme ‘08!
He also likes to make like he’s “common folk” by dropping “g’s” at the end of words (when convenient and/or appropriate to the occasion)- for example:
comin’
seein’
eatin’
He also likes to cozy up to “common folk” by dropping a few “g’s” at the end of words (when convenient and/or appropriate to the occasion) so that he doesn’t appear so Harvardian.
Glad you mentioned that. The Selma, Al. speech had to have been effort for him given he has never lived in the South. The drawl is common to both races and is entirely different from Northern States. MLK is a perfect example. Even when he raised his voice in speeches, you could hear that soft southern part underneath. His voice was so powerful, it mesmerized. Obama has stolen a lot from that great, dignified man, but no matter how he tries, he can’t duplicate the timbre of his voice. In my memory, MLK never mocked anyone.
I’m still trying to find his charisma. Maybe I need a magnifying glass.
I use a “gray head” to wipe the floor! Morris is a back-stabbing jerk! There are many males who aren’t riding the “night train” with the “O” either! Joe Biden would have been my second choice…because of his loose division plan on Iraq…I thought it could work, at least in the short term. He will be working on his reelection to the Senate…must be a shoe-in. The democrats had several opportunities to de-fund the war, courtesy of Senator Feingold…check the courageous tally on that one!
Alot of us gray haired women, went through times where we saw our civil liberties change and improve, we aren’t the gray haired ladies of 100 years ago, or even 50 years ago. We came out of our high school years with a war on our neck, and lost many of our friends and loved ones then, and have gone through the redux of that during these last eight years. We have worked hard to get jobs we weren’t allowed to have 35 years ago(policewoman, firefighter, combat soldier etc.) We struggled with our rights and came to understandings regarding men and their equal emotional rights and recognition of those. We watched aids develop into a world epidemic and watched prejudice and fear rear its ugly head against gay people. We saw the gang violence of the 80’s and 90’s. We worked to keep our neighborhoods safe, our schools. We educated ourselves, we worked hard and we came to respect each other and our relationships with men as well, defining our relationships, not letting them define us. We embraced our place at the table, without trying to take someone else’s chair away. But, something ugly has been festering for a few years, and it smells like entitlement, lack of gratitude and disrespect. It may very well be time for a change, but change can be done in a way that is inviting and encompassing of all Americans, not a message of change by means of alienating Americans who don’t fit the package of young, beautiful, intelligent or wealthy. It is just as prejudice to box people into groups by age, education or class, as it is by color. No one in the Obama campaign has done themselves any favors by pointing that hypocritical finger at someone else and yelling racist, when serious deliberate prejudice has been practiced and encouraged by Senator Obama, and his supporters. Having an opinion and stating a fact in uncomfortable terms are to very different things.
(I would have visited the troops in Germany, but was concerned it would be seen as a political move-…this is opinion) vs. I visited the troops and preferred not to worry over any political posturing made of it. Big difference.
My gray hair distinguishes my age, and age isn’t a problem; it’s
about these things that generates problems. Opinion becomes rhetoric, which is then translated by one who agrees with it to be fact; when it is just opinion in a trench coat.
Obama is full of opinion. Senator McCain, speaks from fact and experience. I don’t need a translation.
Sorry, I don’t understand, which lie?