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The DNC Follows ‘The New Paradigm In Politics’ Off A Cliff

In her MSNBC interview with McCain campaign manager Rick Davis last night, the ever-biased Andrea Mitchell called Obama ‘a new paradigm in politics.’

Oh, really? Is that why he is desperate and playing the race card once again, this time on Senator McCain? He must be wondering why he got no bounce from his Barackapalooza World Tour, or why the American public as a whole is not bamboozled enough to vote for him.

Not surprisingly, Senator McCain’s campaign seems to have found solid footing painting Obama quite accurately as a ‘celebrity candidate.’

Davis mentioned that since Obama was too busy to visit the troops, but had time for several workouts a day and made special diet demands, it would be hard to characterize him as anything but a ‘celebrity.’ When Andrea went after him for this ‘triviality,’ Davis pointed out that it is the media that sees fit to make public domain all the minutae of what this candidate was doing — and that when the press would cover it, he would be happy to come back and discuss more substantive issues. Ouch.

How ridiculously distressing, to say the least, that the DNC did not see this coming. Did they have dollar signs clouding their eyes? Was it Clinton Derangement Syndrome? Were they so caught up in their fear of an actual leader with her own clear vision that they would instead trumpet an empty suit, a shape-shifting charlatan, so that the old guard of the DNC could set the agenda and whisper in this neophyte’s ear?

Doesn’t quite sound like the new way of doing business in Washington that Obama is advertising. And little did they realize that his outsized ego will, like Bush Jr., be rather hard to control once Obama is able to, as he said, “put his feet up on the desk.”

It is becoming more likely that Democrats will face a loss in November, thanks to the likes of Dean, Pelosi and Brazile. You know, see no evil, hear no evil, and well, I could say speak no evil – but Donna lives to speak evil – her favorite phrase is ‘stop the hate.’

She should talk.

If it is any comfort to any of you Hillary fans out there, I am relatively certain (call me psychic) that Dean will have to resign after the crushing loss Obama will experience and that Brazile likewise will lose what credibility she might have had left. Her idiotic idea to make the Democratic Party a completely urban group and throw rural voters under the bus smacks of as much reverse racism and class-ism as anything I have ever seen.

Pelosi with her approval rating around what – 14% – let’s just say she may not be long for the Speaker job either.

The piper will be paid.

I am a New Yorker born and raised, now a “left coaster.” I am loath to admit that as a lifelong Democrat, I have had ‘elitist’ moments myself, however unintentionally. It is easy to get caught in your own liberal beliefs and be obtuse about rural voters or Middle America and not understand that their experiences, upbringing, religious faith and environment may make their concerns appear different to my more secular upbringing. I have more than once heard them referred to as “the fly-over people.” Shame on us all.

I apologize for my short-sightedness. This election cycle, making so many GOTV phone calls to so many parts of the country, and corresponding with those of like mind from different states has given me a new perspective. I am reminded that people need to be treated with equal dignity, not only legally and morally – but politically.

We are all in this together. This red state/blue state crap has to stop. We do have more in common than we think and need to reach out to find that ground.

The person who taught me that was Senator Hillary Clinton. She rejected no one, though she was rejected. She insulted no one, though she was daily crucified and insulted by a biased, misogynist media. She fought like a lion and she did it, not as a vanity project, but because she actually has coherent, progressive and sensible plans to move our country forward. P.S. – She actually gives a damn about the American people. All of them.

Obviously, voters of all social strata and location – 18,000,000 of them – got her message and liked what they heard, with excellent reason. She reached out for every single vote, whether she knew she would receive a cool reception or a standing ovation.

I attended one such evening, a fund raiser, where she must have received 20 such ovations from a huge, sold out auditorium. For two hours, she warmly, specifically, and eloquently answered random questions voters had submitted – that were picked out of a bowl on the stage. She found common ground. The ovations were not out of adulation, but appreciation for and understanding of the issues. I was impressed with every voter in that house. And they were more impressed with her.

The DNC has instead willfully chosen to give us the prancing prince, with behavior more reminiscent of Bush Jr.’s woefully premature “Mission Accomplished” than anything new and refreshing on the horizon. Playing the race card and flip-flopping on most of his campaign promises. What new paradigm is that, Andrea?

Rick Davis gave another nice slap down to Andrea Mitchell when he basically said Obama did not go to Germany to win votes and talk about campaign issues, he came to be adored and lauded by 200,000 fans. Davis rightly pointed out that Obama drew first blood on attack ads and also made Andrea eat her words in classifying McCain as ‘bitter.’ Hmmm. Bitter. Where have we heard that word before?

Well, do we really think Hillary would be having the DNC sweating a tie in the polls at this point in time? She’d be out there every day, building her coalition further, not using her gender as a weapon but asking that she be judged on the merits.

Now that’s a new paradigm in politics.

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Comment by Bill Dupray | 2008-08-01 16:44:36

What If McCain Closes The Gap Before the Democrat Convention?

Obama is only beating McCain by 2.6% in the Year of the Democrat, but the generic Dem beats the generic GOP by 11. What happens if Hillary’s supporters become (more) convinced that Obama is damaged goods and really start throwing sand in the gears at the convention?

http://patriotroom.com/?p=697

Comment by Paul F. Villarreal | 2008-08-01 17:57:17

Videos like this will help us get Hillary nominated:

The “Celebrity Messiah” being heckled by protesters in Florida (Remix):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDjPPP_dptA

If you’d like, make some comments to help the video get noticed.

McCain, the GOP and we PUMAs have The (Fraudulent) One by the nuts. Time to cast him aside like the golden calf he is.

Comment by Andrew | 2008-08-01 17:59:35

More like the sack, the nuts were removed with surgical precision by Jesse Jackson.

Comment by Paul F. Villarreal | 2008-08-01 18:04:07

Ha ha ha.

Forgot about that one.

;)

 

Comment by SpotOn | 2008-08-01 19:45:02

MEchelle beat him to ‘em. Keeps them on the mantle in the drawing room so everyone will know the situation.

 
 

Comment by PamFlorida | 2008-08-01 22:13:48

Did youy catch what Obama said in response to the “heckler”, who was calling him out on him lack of interest in AA issues. Obama’s last words were, “You can vote for someone else or you can run yourself.”
Obama’s mantra- vote for me or get under the bus.

Comment by Annagain | 2008-08-01 23:03:40

I still cannot believe he said that. Though I don’t know why I would be surprised.

If it were Hillary, she would really take the time to answer the person’s concerns. Does anyone have any doubt of that?

 

Comment by Annagain | 2008-08-02 01:54:37

-vote for me or get under the bus.

Pam, that states it pretty accurately, I’m afraid.

 
 

Comment by Strawberrybitch | 2008-08-01 23:15:04

The thing that got me was seeing all those rich, white liberals booing African Americans that had real issues they wanted addressed by Obama. And WE at NO Quarter are racists? Wait let me guess, those guys are self hating.

 

Comment by tish | 2008-08-02 08:51:03

VOIGHT: My concerns for America
Obama sowing socialist seeds in young people

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Actor Jon Voight. Associated Press.
OP-ED
We, as parents, are well aware of the importance of our teachers who teach and program our children. We also know how important it is for our children to play with good-thinking children growing up.
Sen. Barack Obama has grown up with the teaching of very angry, militant white and black people: the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, William Ayers and Rev. Michael Pfleger. We cannot say we are not affected by teachers who are militant and angry. We know too well that we become like them, and Mr. Obama will run this country in their mindset.
The Democratic Party, in its quest for power, has managed a propaganda campaign with subliminal messages, creating a God-like figure in a man who falls short in every way. It seems to me that if Mr. Obama wins the presidential election, then Messrs. Farrakhan, Wright, Ayers and Pfleger will gain power for their need to demoralize this country and help create a socialist America.
The Democrats have targeted young people, knowing how easy it is to bring forth whatever is needed to program their minds. I know this process well. I was caught up in the hysteria during the Vietnam era, which was brought about through Marxist propaganda underlying the so-called peace movement. The radicals of that era were successful in giving the communists power to bring forth the killing fields and slaughter 2.5 million people in Cambodia and South Vietnam. Did they stop the war, or did they bring the war to those innocent people? In the end, they turned their backs on all the horror and suffering they helped create and walked away.
Those same leaders who were in the streets in the ’60s are very powerful today in their work to bring down the Iraq war and to attack our president, and they have found their way into our schools. William Ayers is a good example of that.
Thank God, today, we have a strong generation of young soldiers who know exactly who they are and what they must do to protect our freedom and our democracy. And we have the leadership of Gen. David Petraeus, who has brought hope and stability to Iraq and prevented the terrorists from establishing a base in that country. Our soldiers are lifting us to an example of patriotism at a time when we’ve almost forgotten who we are and what is at stake.
If Mr. Obama had his way, he would have pulled our troops from Iraq years ago and initiated an unprecedented bloodbath, turning over that country to the barbarianism of our enemies. With what he has openly stated about his plans for our military, and his lack of understanding about the true nature of our enemies, there’s not a cell in my body that can accept the idea that Mr. Obama can keep us safe from the terrorists around the world, and from Iran, which is making great strides toward getting the atomic bomb. And while a misleading portrait of Mr. Obama is being perpetrated by a media controlled by the Democrats, the Obama camp has sent out people to attack the greatness of Sen. John McCain, whose suffering and courage in a Hanoi prison camp is an American legend.
Gen. Wesley Clark, who himself has shame upon him, having been relieved of his command, has done their bidding and become a lying fool in his need to demean a fellow soldier and a true hero.
This is a perilous time, and more than ever, the world needs a united and strong America. If, God forbid, we live to see Mr. Obama president, we will live through a socialist era that America has not seen before, and our country will be weakened in every way.
Jon Voight is an Academy Award-winning actor who is well-known for his humanitarian work.

 
 

Comment by Ai1een | 2008-08-02 01:45:08

Gallup poll yesterday was tied between Obama and McCain.

 
 

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-01 16:47:45

That new paradigm is worth about 20 cents. They can have the it.

Comment by NO for O | 2008-08-01 16:51:13

Andrea Mitchell = HAS BEEN.

Comment by eurogirl70 | 2008-08-01 17:07:52

Andrea “why didn’t they have Proactive solution during my formative years” Mitchell.

People like Ms. Mitchell, who live in glass houses that were financed with sub-prime mortgages shouldn’t throw stones!!

[to anyone out there they doesn't get my inference above. Ms. Mitchell is married to none other than outgoing Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan]

Comment by eurogirl70 | 2008-08-01 17:09:36

correction: that doesn’t get not they doesn’t

 

Comment by Andrew | 2008-08-01 17:30:24

The wife of the man who created the sub-prime bubble is telling us who to pick as president. She needs to place some tape over her trophy-wife mouth and say nothing. If her husband hadn’t kept interests rates so woefully low for so long, this sup-prime mess never would have happened. If anyone is bitter it is her. Wouldn’t you be if you had to sleep with Greenspan.

Comment by mahaska | 2008-08-01 17:56:20

Oh geez, if that’s a trophy I’d hate to see what the loser got.

Comment by Andrew | 2008-08-01 18:01:03

He is 82. Anything he gets is a step up.

 

Comment by Andrew | 2008-08-01 18:02:41

He is 82. Anything he gets is a step up. I just looked at her picture on Wiki. She isn’t pretty but compared to him…

 

Comment by Lucinda | 2008-08-01 18:12:48

That reminds of the episode of Everybody Loves Raymond. Marie says, “What do you think I am—some kind of trophy wife?” Frank responds, “What contest in hell did I win to get you.”

 

Comment by Chiten | 2008-08-01 18:44:44

more like the booby prize. He must have been the only candidate and they bought the “trophy-wife” with one of his subprime mortgages

 

Comment by Cahil | 2008-08-02 00:31:43

While I don’t agree with Andrea, leveling personal insults smacks too much of how the MSM treated and allowed Hillary to be treated. I hope we can rise above and bring them down politically.

Comment by SWPAnnA | 2008-08-02 09:37:06

 
 
 

Comment by MEchelle Hates America! | 2008-08-01 18:33:27

Andrea Mitchell a Trophy wife? On what planet?

Andrea Mitchell was so insanely jealous of HRC that it oozed out her pores.

Same with that creepy Crawley.

Poison Candy, all sour.

If the misfits were more professional, maybe they wouldn’t be too homely for a major network anymore.

Barbra Walters is a hag and she made it by sleeping around AND getting the story.

Instead they’re just the Stanley and Laurel of BITTER!

I would have fainted if someone had behaved professionally toward Hillary.

Now they’re pulling the same crap with McCain.

 
 
 
 

Comment by beebop | 2008-08-01 17:44:37

BACKTRACK BARACK drops another pledge!!!!

Guess who is now for offshore drilling … for Florida only?

Get Nancy and the rest back into session to “support” his new position ….

hahahahahahahahahahahha Otanking! You’re welcome!

Comment by ginaswo still says no Uhhbama | 2008-08-01 18:24:58

GET OUT!!!!!!

NO WAY!!!!!!

BWAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAA!!!

Comment by Factcheck2 | 2008-08-01 22:15:14

The Democratic nomination was a set-up by Karl Rove from the start, and he had some inside help:

http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Summer08/BrazileRoveConnect.html

As for Andrea Mitchell and others of her stripe:

http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Summer08/RoguesGallery.html

 
 

Comment by Freedom Fighter | 2008-08-01 19:05:50

You haven’t been listening. Senator Obama has always said since the beginning that he is for some limited oil drilling where it made sense. Stop the hate!

Comment by dgr | 2008-08-01 19:37:57

Kidding, right???

 

Comment by Ai1een | 2008-08-02 01:42:38

Excuse me Freedom Fighter, but where Obama is concerned there is no “he has always said” - for he “says” whatever conveniently serves his purpose at that moment…it all depends on the crowd, location and television/photo opt. moment.

 
 

Comment by Annagain | 2008-08-01 22:45:15

He is really unbelievable.

That his supporters can still find it in their hearts to defend him after all these flip flops is amazing.

However, as Dems, we are raised to believe that all Republicans are evil - that is the sense I get from my Dem friends who may not be pleased but will still vote for him regardless.

Not me. I still say his is a manchurian candidate.

 
 
 

Comment by Salt | 2008-08-01 16:54:52

You bet Pelosi and Kenndey wanted a puppet one that would be beholding to them and their continued failed leadership and inept co eabling cheerleader type no threat the ture third Bush term. That’s the problem they betrayed their own base for their own quest for power. Pelosi should be ran out of the Speaker job.

 

Comment by DonkeyBrazziere | 2008-08-01 16:59:16

Greed for $$$ and greed for power.
Fire Pelosi, Ried, Dean, Brazile and the newest boozehound Kerry.

Comment by Andrew | 2008-08-01 17:34:07

The pictures of Kerry and the under-aged girls is so disgusting. He could have been president. The White House would have been converted into a boozing den. The picture of the girl drinking through the penis straw made me want to vomit. Not because of the girl or the straw but because she was doing this right in front of a Senator. Ew!! People who voted for Kerry probably need a vomit bag too.

Comment by beebop | 2008-08-01 17:46:17

That’s the closest Kerry has been to a penis in a long time. I hope he took one home for the wife ….

 

Comment by roseeriter | 2008-08-01 17:57:04

Guess John Edwards can be added to the chauvinists pig club now too. Geesh what a team that would have been had they won.

Viagara is a potent drug.

Comment by Postmaster | 2008-08-01 17:59:59

wooooooohooooooooo lol

 
 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-08-01 18:04:35

I had forgotten about that pic. blech

 
 

Comment by Northwest rain | 2008-08-01 17:39:21

The misogynist behavior of the Democrat leaders began with KERRY 4 years ago when the ERA was removed from the Democrat platform. The ERA may not be put back on the Democrat platform this year — certainly snObama can’t be bothered with damned feminists.

For some reason that little detail has been missing — so I understand why Kerry POS is backing snObamaling. Both are chauvinist pigs.

When pooPelosie took impeachment off the table — I guess that’s when she let us know that we the American voters had been conned. Democrats aren’t that different from their good buddies the Republicans.

PUMA

Comment by Annagain | 2008-08-01 17:44:37

And for this reason I have registered as an independent — as have many of my family and friends.

Pelosi taking impeachment off the table was a critical moment — and told us everything we needed to know.

 

Comment by Chiten | 2008-08-01 18:48:55

I’m beginning to think she took impeachment off the table so it couldn’t be used against HER

 
 

Comment by OBSP | 2008-08-01 17:44:48

Explain the Kerry comment, I’ve been on vacation.

Comment by Northwest rain | 2008-08-01 17:59:36

From

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http://tinyurl.com/2lpdhq
guerillawomentn . blogspot . com/


Equal Rights Amendment

The Democratic Party apologizes to all women for removing the passage of the Equal Rights Amendment from John Kerry’s 2004 Democratic National Convention Platform.

The Equal Rights Amendment must be passed during the next congressional session.

 
 
 

Comment by Anon 1 | 2008-08-01 16:59:56

I think the true test of Obama wisdom will be how he handle those townhall debates if he ever shows up. Teh debates are now the elephant in the room. Whoever wins the debates , wins the election!!!!!

Comment by Zeke | 2008-08-01 17:18:34

*****NEWS RELEASE*****
Sen Obama’s spokesperson has just announced that he will be unable to participate in the Town Hall style debates due to some subsequent, unannounced-to-the-public, SECRET (do not release until we say so) visit to an unnamed military hospital which, after a failed surge, is full of bitter young men.
As it is known that Sen. Obama is violently allergic to Camouflage, all servicemen will be required to put on these appropriate Hope/Change t-shirts. It is suggested that supervision be used in the issuance of these shirts as the men and women in the service may not be intelligent enough to wear these “Special Shirts” without confusion.

*****FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE*****

(Reminder: After photo-op, get the shirts back)

 
 

Comment by wodiej | 2008-08-01 17:03:22

Bill Clinton=Fiscal Responsibility, Personal Accountability
Hillary Clinton-Fiscal Responsibility, Personal Accountability
DNC-no way, no accountability=Obama

Comment by Andrew | 2008-08-01 17:40:15

I don’t want to belabor this but we do know about Bill and his proclivities. Maybe the list should be in the form of a credit card ad:

Fiscal Responsibility: Bill Clinton
Fiscal Responsibility and Personal Accountability: Hillary Clinton
Racking up huge deficits while behaving with impunity: Barry Soetero (aka. Barack Obama)

The DNC: worthless

 
 

Comment by Zeke | 2008-08-01 17:04:51

Thanks Ani!
Well written and I feel the type of attitude which goes a long way toward healing the divisiveness we all see.

 

Comment by Darryl | 2008-08-01 17:06:46

Pelosi will most definately be very gone come the next election. she screwed up when she shunned hillary in the most gay district in the United States. DUH! What a retard she is.

Comment by Annagain | 2008-08-01 17:46:15

Well said. Hillary is the only one who gives a crap about gay rights or women’s rights — and has always shown up in that regard.

Obama is a sexist and a homophobe. Plenty of evidence of that.

Comment by DeaninMI | 2008-08-01 18:10:45

If she’s not booted, I’ll be thinking that SF gays are waaaaaaaaaay different from gays in other parts of the U.S.

Something about Obama’s answers on gay marriage questions just turns me right off. Personally, I don’t see him being an advocate for gay rights at any level.

Pelosi’s silences on certain issues speak loudly to me of a tacit approval of the Obama campaign’s homophobic tendencies, as evidenced by his own words.

 
 
 

Comment by anna shane | 2008-08-01 17:07:35

running against McCain isn’t the same as running against someone who didn’t want to hurt him if he became our candidate. If you call McCain a racist, you’re going to get it pushed in your face. McCain has an adopted daughter with dark skin and he’s had racist smears used against him. He isn’t the guy I want to see living in the white house, but he’s not a racist and he have no problem calling Barack on his shit. Anyway, he’s heard it, used on Hillary, so he’s had lots of time to prepare his counter assault.

He also plans to get under Barack’s skin in debates, and Barack has had time to prepare, so I hope he’s taken some anger management classes, and learned to respond thoughtfully and respectfully to even stupid or mean spirited questions. Barack needs a new playbook, it’s not the same contest, McCain seriously dislikes him and has no respect for him, and it shows. Hillary was careful with him, although you’d never know that by his response. Let’s just say that John Mcain isn’t proud to be running against a greenhorn like Barack. He’s have preferred losing to Hillary to winning with Barack.

Comment by Darryl | 2008-08-01 17:11:10

This true. I remember watching the repulbican debates on TV. McCain will snicker and chide everthing Obama says. I can’t wait to see Obama snap under pressure. It will be interesting to watch.

Comment by AnnieCarmel | 2008-08-01 17:23:14

They’ve found just the right tact. It’s humiliating for The One to be laughed at…and no way to fight back because you started it.

Comment by Annagain | 2008-08-01 17:56:34

Amen. He cannot STAND anything less than total adulation. His fragile ego doesn’t know how to handle the criticism. Abandonment issues, I think.

Comment by dgr | 2008-08-01 19:47:39

If the goofy clown only knew how much so many of us are laughing at him… he has NO sense of humor, and I suspect an ugly temper. Hillary was very nice to him, he has not got a clue how to act with what is coming down the pike at him ~ so far, he has run uncontested, so he’s not got much experience with campaigns, though he seems to have no compunction or integrity to be above board and circumspect. We are all going to laugh him right out of Washington. He won’t even be able to get dead people to vote for him once his joke-ass is on the ground! And to think, we might get to see him indicted for something or other when all is said and done.

Comment by Annagain | 2008-08-01 23:09:51

The press spent every day calling her campaign dirty — meanwhile she was, by comparison, treating him with kid gloves. She should have gone for the jugular back in January and called him on his lie re: Rezko at the debate with her, Obie and Edwards.

Wouldn’t have mattered — the media thugs would have crucified her for that, too. Even though she was right.

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by BlueDolphin | 2008-08-01 17:20:17

Never forget that Senator McCain has been a jet fighter pilot whose job was to seriously damage the enemy during his military years.

At this point, in politics, Obama is McCain’s enemy.

I am sure McCain won’t be afraid to do what it takes, ” to terminate the enemy with extreme prejudice” , as the parlance goes.

At least, McCain knows that much.

 

Comment by ziggy | 2008-08-01 17:22:34

Anger management classes? One can only hope. I figured at some point a red-faced John would probably be chasing Obama around the podium, swatting at him with his Navy hat.

Comment by AnnieCarmel | 2008-08-01 17:25:11

But what you get instead is a smiling, laughing, relaxed John McCain having a good time at the expense of The One.

 
 

Comment by OBSP | 2008-08-01 17:48:19

You are exactly right! This is what I told anyone that would listen during the primary. The GOP has always been preceived as the party of white people and they would not give a dam if they are preceived as racist. Unlike Hillary, who would not hit back on the race issue.

Comment by wodiej | 2008-08-01 18:02:08

I agree…I’ve said this before…the Republicans don’t give a shit if you call them racist, homophobic, sexist or anything else that labels them prejudiced-look at Ann Coulter for God’s sake. My Mom is a die hard Republican and she would vote for Donald Duck on a Republican ticket before any Democrat. She told me the other day she doesn’t care for McCain but will vote for him because she dislikes Obama even more. She will admit that she is prejudiced too and doesn’t think anything about it. Says that was the way she was raised.

Comment by Lucinda | 2008-08-01 18:23:43

My Mom is a die hard Republican and she would vote for Donald Duck on a Republican ticket before any Democrat.

Well, apparently the Democrats would rather nominate Goofy than a qualified, capable, experienced woman, so I guess it’s all right for Republicans to vote for Donald Duck. LOL.

Comment by MEchelle Hates America! | 2008-08-01 18:42:02

 

Comment by Annagain | 2008-08-01 23:11:19

Thanks. I needed a good laugh today.

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-08-01 17:09:16

A thoughtful and informative article. Thank you Ani.

 

Comment by Skiron | 2008-08-01 17:15:38

“She actually gives a damn about the American people. All of them.”

Hmm…I’d have thought if she gave a damn about the American people she wouldn’t have given George Bush the authorization to invade Iraq. But that’s just crazy ol’ me talking.

Comment by roseeriter | 2008-08-01 17:21:26

Asshole- that’s all you juvenile progressives have and you’ve over used it with little believing that BUSH stepped beyond what that so called authorization stated. Go back to the evil orange and fight over Edwards as VP. You progressives are the biggest hypocrits and misogynists of this whole primary.

PUMA- NOBAMA!

Comment by beebop | 2008-08-01 17:49:58

Do they have nothing new? God. What an old point … ::: yawn ::: rookie crew.

 
 

Comment by WildChild | 2008-08-01 17:21:56

we defend America because we are concerned for her people… all of them.

Comment by Skiron | 2008-08-01 17:36:21

And in defending America we attack a country that posed absolutely no threat to us?

Comment by WildChild | 2008-08-01 17:42:42

That was George Bush’s decision. Not Hillary’s.

 

Comment by Andrew | 2008-08-01 17:43:49

The year is 2008, not 2002. If you don’t like it, proceed with your time-machine plans, go back into the past and complain.

 
 
 

Comment by Darryl | 2008-08-01 17:22:11

Please, at the time, you know that almost everyone of the senators gave him authorization. It was right after 9/11. You’re misreprentation is a lie. Hillary has already said in the second MsNBC debate that she would take back the vote if she could.

Also, even though she voted for it, she gave a very omninous speech and basically said that she was only doing it because she was going along with what the Party wanted.

So its woe be damned if you are democrat and don’t vote for Obama along party line, but not in the case of Hillary. She should have not gone along with the party lines? Which is it, do we or don’t we.

Comment by Skiron | 2008-08-01 17:41:06

It is depressing that her and many of her Democratic colleagues did give him authorization. But that doesn’t excuse it. She and they knew, or should have known, the Bush administration would use it as a fig leaf for an invasion.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-08-01 17:45:04

So you’re faulting Hillary for not being able to read minds, in this case, George Bush’s mind.

 

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-08-01 18:15:27

Obviously, the Varsity Trolls are all still at work on the drive-up window. This guys dumber than, “Beth.”

 
 
 

Comment by Pragmatist | 2008-08-01 17:23:40

you are an *hole for sure!

 

Comment by silverfox | 2008-08-01 17:29:50

skiron……

just crazy old you drinking way too much of the obambi kool aid. easy boy.

falling back to that old iraq authorization chestnut just doesn’t cut the mustard anymore.
sorry pal….you’re just a bit behind the eight ball here.

here’s the deal: democrats and republicans UNITE behind Sen John McCain and soundly trounce the Selected One, thus saving Democracy for the USA.
but…that’s just crazy old me.

heh. heh.

 

Comment by Annagain | 2008-08-01 17:34:37

Yes — go back and READ the IWR — Bush totally overstepped the bounds of what that resolution was supposed to be used for — this was and is his and Cheney’s war.

READ her statement to the Senate that day. READ how she and Byrd went the next day to propose legislation to block Bush from usung this as anything more than forced diplomacy — which was how it was presented in the first place. READ how Bush went behind the backs of congress and did what he wanted to do anyway.

If Barack actually gave a speech people were called “traitor’s” for giving at the time — why did we never hear about it — til he “re-recorded it in a studio” — he was not in the Senate at the time and you don’t know HOW he would have voted.

He has stated repeatedly he probably would have voted yes, too. He has certainly rubber stamped everything else Bush wanted since he DID get elected to the Senate in 2005 — where is his concensus building — why has THE ONE not been leading us out of Iraq already — he has had several years to make his leadership abilities felt in the Senate…

nothing???

*crickets* ???????

Find a new argument. This one doesn’t hold water.

Comment by tzada | 2008-08-01 22:39:59

“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.” - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.” - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Comment by Gary McGowan | 2008-08-02 07:46:07

tzada was probably about 10 years old in 1998. Now he mindlessly copies and pastes something from somewhere in his blind enthusiasm for a marketing campaign intended to destroy the USA.

It’s very saddening.

tzada couldn’t even be troubled to read or look into reasonable and truthful comments immediately above outlining the facts (like annagain’s).

Or even see the obvious and simple fact that President Clinton did not order the bombing and invasion and occupation of Iraq.

tzada has surrendered his mind to a fact-free fantasy world, and, sadly, will have to live with the consequences.

 
 
 

Comment by OBSP | 2008-08-01 17:51:26

And you got the report! That jerk face punk was not even in the Senate and was still kissing Jesse balls when he made the so called speech that by the way no one has heard. By the way he was on the program with Jesse and he barely mentioned the war during his Senate campaign.

 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-08-01 18:00:40

Wow, she was the only one that voted. My memory tells me she wasn’t. I also remember americans screaming for revenge. It’s on you that you got bamboozled into attacking people who had nothing to do with it.

Comment by tzada | 2008-08-01 22:38:04

“Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.” - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998 (Now a foreign policy advisor for Hillary)

“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.” - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

“Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.” - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

“There is no doubt that … Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.” - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.” - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.” - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.” - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…” - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force– if necessary– to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.” - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.” - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

“He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do” - Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.” - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.” - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real …” - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Comment by Gary McGowan | 2008-08-02 07:58:47

tzada, information is not knowledge.

Your above copied and pasted list appears in at least 50 (I stopped counting at 50) places.

Information is not knowledge.