BREAKING: Delegates Announce Petition Drive! (Updated)
By NoQuarter on August 2, 2008 at 8:33 PM in Delegates, Democratic National Convention, Democratic Nomination
Alegre’s Corner has put up a petition drive from delegates to Denver.
Read Alegre’s notes on her telephone conversations with several delegates behind this effort.
HERE is the press release:
08/01/08
Press Release
2008 DNC Floor Nominating Petition Messages for Bloggers and Blog Radio HostsThe Following Email can be posted in the blogs.
EMAIL FOR DELEGATES TO INQUIRE ABOUT PETITION: hrc300delegates@yahoo.com
Here’s ALEGRE’S ADVICE for each of us: Get that email contact info out to as many folks as possible and link to this wherever you blog. Write LTE’s to let people know this effort is underway. Send it out to everyone in your contact list in an email. Tell friends at work. Talk this up to your family and friends. Neighbors.
I. UNITY AFTER THE CONVENTION DEPENDS ON HAVING A TWO-NAME BALLOT
A. Whether the Democratic Convention ends with the party united depends on whether the name “Hillary Clinton” appears on the nominating election ballot.
B. As many as a thousand additional Clinton-pledged delegates are expected to swing behind Obama, if he is elected the party’s nominee after a genuine election with both his and Clinton’s name appearing on the ballot.
C. This same thousand are expected to remain aloof from the Obama general election campaign, effectively dividing and weakening the party, if Obama is simply given the nomination without a real election, without a two-name ballot.
D. The thousand Clinton delegates who remain in play feel that an Obama election “victory” resulting from a one-name ballot would be hollow, illegitimate, undemocratic, disenfranchising of eighteen million primary and caucus voters, and, therefore, insupportable.
E. The key to a unified Democratic Party after the Convention is a genuine nominating election, with two names on the ballot, such that the losing side will be able to accept their defeat, knowing that they and their electors have at least had their voices heard.
II. HOW DO WE GET A TWO-NAME BALLOT? WHAT ROLE DOES A PETITION PLAY?
A. Clinton’s name will appear on the ballot only if a petition of 300 to 600 delegates is lodged in support of the Senator’s name being placed on the ballot.
B. In addition to lodging the petition, the Senator must also request in writing that her name appear on the ballot.
C. The decision whether her name will appear on the ballot is entirely Senator Clinton’s, but only if she has the supporting petition. Without it, she is powerless to decide; with it, her request, if she makes it, cannot be denied.
III. IS THE PETITION DRIVE UNDERWAY? IF SO, WHO IS DRIVING THE EFFORT?
A. The petition drive is well underway, and it is driven entirely by delegates and volunteers who feel it important that whether Hillary Clinton’s name appears on the ballot should be determined by the Senator herself, not by technicalities in Democratic Party rules. Hillary Clinton and her staff have had no role whatsoever in the petition drive; it has been a grass roots effort from start to finish.
IV. DO CLINTON’S PRIMARY AND CAUCUS VOTERS CARE ABOUT TWO-NAME VERSUS ONE-NAME BALLOT?
Certainly they do. Clinton primary and caucus voters are telling their delegates that if they don’t represent them by voting in an election where Clinton’s name appears on the ballot, they will have failed in their solemn obligation to carry the voters’ voices forward to Denver.V. WHAT BECOMES OF THE PETITION IF SENATOR CLINTON DECIDES NOT TO HAVE HER NAME PUT ON THE BALLOT?
It will live on as proof to future historians that Hillary Clinton declined to put her name on the ballot as a matter of choice, not because she was kept off the ballot by a technicality. The petition will also serve to memorialize those whose commitment to democratic principles led them to become signers of this historic document.
VI. HOW CAN I LEARN MORE ABOUT THE PETITION AND THE TWO-NAME BALLOT?
Concerned citizens can learn more about the petition and the rules governing nominating election ballots by contacting one of the many delegates and volunteers who are closely involved in the petition drive. Some suggested contacts are as follows:
hrc300delegates@yahoo.com
Also, the most important rules governing the 2008 Democratic Party presidential nominating election process appear in the Call To The 2008 Democratic National Convention, Articles VI and VIII. Those Articles appear below.
These are the Official Rules of the 2008 Call for the Democratic National Convention Regarding the Nomination of the Democratic Candidate for President:
Nomination of the Democratic Candidate for President: The Permanent Chair shall receive nominations from the floor for the Democratic candidate for the Office of President of the United States in the following manner:
a. Requests to nominate a presidential candidate shall be in writing and shall have affixed thereto the written approval of the proposed nominee and the name of the individuals who shall be recognized to make the nominating and seconding speeches on behalf of a presidential candidate and shall be delivered to the
Convention Secretary at a location as specified by the Secretary no later than 6:00 p.m. of the day preceding the day designated for the commencement of presidential nominations.b. Each such request must be accompanied by a petition indicating support for the proposed nominee signed by delegates representing not less than 300 or more than 600 delegate votes, not more than 50 of which may come from one (1) delegation. A delegate may not sign more than one (1) nominating petition for president and for vice president.
c. The order for nominating presidential candidates shall be determined by the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee, the Permanent Chair of the Convention and each presidential candidate, or his or her authorized representative, who qualifies to be nominated pursuant to this section.
d. Each presidential candidate shall be allowed a total of twenty (20) minutes for the presentation of his or her name in nomination by nominating and seconding speeches, the time to run without interruption from the recognition of the nominator.
e. Delegates and alternates shall maintain order during and following nominations for the Office of President and demonstrations shall not be permitted.
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FULL TEXT
I. UNITY AFTER THE CONVENTION DEPENDS ON HAVING A TWO-NAME BALLOT
Whether the Democratic Party emerges from its Convention unified, or broken beyond repair, depends, more than anything else, on whether the name “Hillary Clinton” appears on the presidential nominating election ballot. This technical issue has emerged as one of the most important keys to bringing as many as a thousand Clinton delegates behind Barack Obama, should he, as most expect, win the nominating election that is to be held in Denver on August 27th. There are a small number of delegates, maybe a hundred, who seem certain not to get in line behind the party’s presidential nominee, regardless of how the election is run, unless that nominee turns out to be Hillary Clinton. Hopes of bringing these hundred home to the Party are fading fast. A further few hundred Clinton delegates have already thrown their lot in with Obama, and seem determined to support him no matter what. They are not considered by the party establishment to be a problem. But in the vast middle ground lie the rest, the thousand or so men and women pledged to Clinton, who could, if convinced that they have been treated fairly, given their say and given their vote, be persuaded to back Barack Obama, should he emerge victorious from the August 27th election.
So these 1,000 are the key to unity. If only Obama’s name appears on the ballot, and that’s how he contrives his win (one person, one vote, one candidate), these middle-ground Clinton delegates will almost certainly not come on board. They say they will feel the election was rigged, their right to vote was denied, their own electorate was disenfranchised, and that they will not be able, in good conscience, to support a sham.
If, on the other hand, the August 26th election offers two genuine choices, and even if the favorite wins, though these delegates will not be pleased, they will, they say, be satisfied. They will have lost. They will accept it. They will fall in line and can be expected to cheer, maybe not so loudly as others, but cheer nonetheless, when Obama strides into history in Invesco Field the following day.
So for those who want our party to confront McCain in unity and in strength, the lesson is this: hold an open election, give half the party their votes, put two names on the ballot, and we will have unity. We will be strong. We will prevail.
II. HOW DO WE GET A TWO-NAME BALLOT? WHAT ROLE DOES A PETITION PLAY?
For Hillary Clinton’s name to appear on the ballot, Democratic Party rules require that two things must happen. First, there must be presented to the Secretary of the Convention a petition supporting the placement of Senator Clinton’s name in nomination, and this petition must be signed by not less than 300 nor more than 600 accredited delegates to the 2008 Democratic National Convention. The petitioners can be Clinton-pledged, Obama-pledged or Uncommitted. It does not matter for whom they intend to vote. But they must support the notion that the ballot should present to the voters a genuine choice, and if more than 300 say through their signatures that they favor a two-name ballot, the first of only two requirements for a legitimate election will have been fulfilled.
The second legal prerequisite to Senator Clinton’s name appearing on the ballot is that she must make a written request, also before 6pm on the 26th, that her name should so appear. Without a petition, her request will be ignored; with it, her request cannot be denied. So both are necessary, but the final choice is Senator Clinton’s to make. Her choice is available and her decision is binding, only if there is a supporting petition.
III. IS THE PETITION DRIVE UNDERWAY? IF SO, WHO IS DRIVING THE EFFORT?
The drive to gather 300+ signatures on the petition is well underway. It is entirely a grass roots effort by delegates and volunteers. Neither the Senator herself, nor any of her staff, have played even the smallest role in the gathering of the signatures. On the contrary, the effort is driven entirely by people in the trenches, most of whom are Clinton supporters, some of whom are Obama supporters, but all of whom believe that it is essential to democracy, unity and legitimacy of the election, that Clinton’s name appear on the ballot, should she so desire. Those behind the petition insist that Senator Clinton should have the choice, that she should not be kept off the August 27th ballot by a technicality.
IV. DO CLINTON’S PRIMARY AND CAUCUS VOTERS CARE ABOUT TWO-NAME VERSUS ONE-NAME BALLOT?
Indeed they do. Clinton voters across the country are telling their delegates they are under a solemn obligation to carry the electorate’s eighteen million voices to Denver. They are saying that if the delegates fail to register their votes for Clinton because her name does not appear on the ballot, the voters will feel that the system has failed them, the delegates have failed them, and that the party’s nominating process has completely ignored them and treated them as if they didn’t exist. They are very concerned that their preferences be fairly reflected in an open, two-names-on-the-ballot election.
V. WHAT BECOMES OF THE PETITION IF SENATOR CLINTON DECIDES NOT TO HAVE HER NAME PUT ON THE BALLOT?
It will live on as one of the most important documents in this most historic of elections. It will serve as proof to future generations that Hillary Clinton declined to put her name forward in August 2008 as a matter of choice, not because she was forced off the ballot. It will show that Senator Hillary Clinton had broad and passionate support, even up to the eve of Convention, and that her decision not to contest the election was hers, and hers alone. The petition will be copied, bound, and studied by future historians, so signers can be assured that their commitment to the democratic process will be documented and remembered for as long as woman and man have the ability to read.
VI. HOW CAN I LEARN MORE ABOUT THE PETITION AND THE TWO-NAME BALLOT?
Concerned citizens can learn more about the petition and the rules governing nominating election ballots by contacting one of the many delegates and volunteers who are closely involved in the petition drive. Some suggested contacts are as follows:
hrc300delegates@yahoo.com
Also, the most important rules governing the 2008 Democratic Party presidential nominating election process appear in the Call To The 2008 Democratic National Convention, Articles VI and VIII. Those Articles appear below.
These are the Official Rules of the 2008 Call for the Democratic National Convention Regarding the Nomination of the Democratic Candidate for President:
Nomination of the Democratic Candidate for President: The Permanent Chair shall receive nominations from the floor for the Democratic candidate for the Office of President of the United States in the following manner:
a. Requests to nominate a presidential candidate shall be in writing and shall have affixed thereto the written approval of the proposed nominee and the name of the individuals who shall be recognized to make the nominating and seconding speeches on behalf of a presidential candidate and shall be delivered to the
Convention Secretary at a location as specified by the Secretary no later than 6:00 p.m. of the day preceding the day designated for the commencement of presidential nominations.b. Each such request must be accompanied by a petition indicating support for the proposed nominee signed by delegates representing not less than 300 or more than 600 delegate votes, not more than 50 of which may come from one (1) delegation. A delegate may not sign more than one (1) nominating petition for president and for vice president.
c. The order for nominating presidential candidates shall be determined by the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee, the Permanent Chair of the Convention and each presidential candidate, or his or her authorized representative, who qualifies to be nominated pursuant to this section.
d. Each presidential candidate shall be allowed a total of twenty (20) minutes for the presentation of his or her name in nomination by nominating and seconding speeches, the time to run without interruption from the recognition of the nominator.
e. Delegates and alternates shall maintain order during and following nominations for the Office of President and demonstrations shall not be permitted.


Hope she will, latest I heard she was withdrawing.
Thanks for showing us the Obama people are scared of losing.
Hillary for President ‘08.
Clinton has to be forced to do her job of representing the 18 million people who voted for her. Her backers have given her a total free pass on endorsing Obama in the face of so much documented fraud in the primaries. On top of that, she knows of his ties to Iraqi war profiteers, to oil company executives who financed his campaign in the beginning, and of course she’s well aware of his intention to represent the same criminals in Washington that he represented in Chicago.
The fact that there has been no sit-ins at her office, no press conferences demanding that she do her part to restore democracy to the Dem. Party, or announce an independent run is the biggest puzzle of this whole election. Does everyone think she would crumble if she were pressured by her own ranks? I think she’s been waiting for exactly that to happen, and it hasn’t, so she feels no justification to jump back in the race.
Without Clinton, the movement will spin its wheels with no productive outcome. McCain will likely be disqualified at the Republican National Convention, replaced with the Bush/Cheney successor ticket, and those boys will win against Obama regardless of PUMA, the Denver Group, I Own My Vote and all the rest.
I’ve written an article on this subject if anyone’s interested.
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Summer08/UndertheBus.html
If I lived on the east coast I would be getting arrested outside of DNC headquarters right now, demanding an investigation of the fraud and partisan campaigners like Dean and Brazile to be fired - or I would be getting arrested inside of one of Clinton’s offices, demanding her to live up to her responsibility. This is the only way that the wrong of Obama can be righted. I wish you folks that live out that way and have the means to act would get on the ball. Waiting for the convention to join dozens of other special interest groups protesting Tibet and everything else won’t cut it.
It is too early for Hillary to play her hold cards. She doesn’t have to do anything right now. He’s self destructing.
No, we are the ones she’s waiting for. And waiting… And waiting… And waiting…
an observer… You get busy with Your corrupted IDOL-OBAMA, and live Hillary alone-Hillary is to smart for someone like You, and Your ideas does not fit over 18 millions Hillary supporters. Obama is slipping down, He looks, like he dont know what He is doing, and He is the one who is running recist election, because He is the one who is racist and white and other color people hater!!!He was accusing Hillary for racism, and He is the One who is that ugly politician!!!. He runs His campain on”I AM AGAINST IRAQ WAR” AND THERE NEVER BEEN ANY PROOF OF HIS VOTING RECORD AGAINS, IRONICALLY HE SUPPORTED ANY BILL -BUSH BILL, AND ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAl SUPPORT TO THIS WAR-OCCUPATION!!!So, He is not against, but FOR!!!
Cover up by DNC and their ugly people about Obamas ugly pass, inc. lies about His Citizenship(corruption)and His accomplishments-were are none.NO ACCOMPLISHMENTS, DNC CONTROL OVER MEDIA, AND LIES AND LIES AND LIES.
MAYBE HILLARY IS RIGHT ABOUT STEPING DOWN, SHE WILL NOT TAKE BLAME FOR OBAMAS FAILED AND DIRECTLY STOLEN IDEAS FROM HILLAY, AND NOW HE IS CHANGING HIS PRIMARIES PROMISES. MOST OF THE!!!;HEALTH CARE,IRAQ,IRAN,HAMAS,DRILLING, AND MUCH MORE ARE TO COMING!!!
She is not, and She know what sghe is doing!!!
“If I lived on the east coast I would be getting arrested outside of DNC headquarters right now,”
Well, duh, guess you haven’t heard that The One moved the DNC headquarters to his home turf in Chicago.
Only part of it may have moved. Can’t imagine the whole operation can just up and go to Chicago with Clinton’s June 4th suspension. What about leases and contracts and moving and new phone/computer cabling, etc. etc. etc.? It’s only been 2 months.
Go away troll
The shocking unethical and fraudulent behavior of the Democratic party has been largely ignored. Caucus cheating, assignment of delegates to a candidate that did not win them, and threats to HRC supporters must be addressed, or we will lose the fundamental principles that govern this nation. It is up to HRC supporters to force these issues to the forefront. Democracy is being violated, but most citizens do not even know what happened. Write to your local politicians and tell them you will vote them out for supporting Obama, and copy every Democratic leader possible. Start a fund to take out a full page ad in a major newspaper listing the offensive DNC and Obama campaign actions. Write to Senator Clinton and let her know you want her to be president rather than suggest you vote for an unqualified candidate. Make her understand that 18 MILLION voters backed her, and most, if not all, would still vote for her. Hire a lawyer to see if federal laws were broken. The superdelegates must be convinced that the outcome of their Obama vote will be *personally* negative for them. Right now, they hope for the benefit of Obama’s money and votes. They have forgotten that citizens can withhold money and votes. They must be reminded relentlessly over the next 3 weeks.
No, Hillary herself said that her name needs to be on the ballot ir there is ever going to be party unity.
all we know, from Friday, that She quit and wont be Her name on ballot. It is a truth or DNC game play. Stay tune. We need to hear this directly from Hillary!!!
I won step down with my support to Hillary, even more I am supporting HER, She know what She is doing!!!
Youst sit down, chill out and wait. If She step down, to support Obama. To me , I will never trust CNN<MSNBC<DNC. I start to watch FOX, O,Ralley, and I compare their news, and I can tell You, that FAX gives US more real news then especjally CNN!!!CNN lies with Obama and DNC as far we can see!!! Chill out!!!
need to know: nah, that Daily News article was false.
I am definitely all for Hillary being on the ballot….
this quid pro quo unity part makes me a little nervous:
If, on the other hand, the August 26th election offers two genuine choices, and even if the favorite wins, though these delegates will not be pleased, they will, they say, be satisfied. They will have lost. They will accept it. They will fall in line and can be expected to cheer, maybe not so loudly as others, but cheer nonetheless, when Obama strides into history in Invesco Field the following day.
considering that the caususes etc were not run fairly, nor were a lot of other things (Florida & Michigan ) fair or equitable.
NOTHING could ever make me cheer, no matter how inaudibly for Obama
Sorry
Ditto. The process was manipulated all the way through, and on top of that, his lack of integrity, experience, and judgment makes him unqualified and dangerous. NO DEAL!
NO DEAL TODAY, NO DEAL TOMORROW AND NOT EVER BE A DEAL TO ELECT OBAMA. IT HAS TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS MY DECISION AND I HOPE MANY OTHERS OF 18 MILLIONS TOO.
No matter what her delegates decide, I will not vote for Barack Obama. Besides. I thought in the earlier video, she said she wanted the voices of her supporters heard and allowed a chance to vote. At least if she has a petition, they won’t be able to make a mockery of the rules and deny them a chance to vote.
Hillary never said, that She don not want Her name be taken OFF BALLOT it is Media . So, untill Hillary wont say it, no one should jump to support Obama, . She must say in person, and then we will support McCain ot no one!!!Dont even think about changing Your support from Hillary. Stay tune, cool off!!
NEED TO KNOW ABove. One of the Trolls.
Yes, this will bring whatever unity that can be brought together at the convention in Denver. Hillary’s name has to be put into Nomination.
18 MILLION VOTES FOR HILLARY demand a first ballot vote with Hillary’s name on it.
THANK YOU ALL YOU DELEGATES THAT SIGN THE NOMINATING PAPERS. I would hope Obama delegates do this also for Hillary. It it were reversed, and Obama’s name was NOT PUT IN NOMINATION, how would his voters and supporters feel? This it the democratic way.
Hear hear, Johnny B.
Your message is the right one!
THIS IS THE MOST ENCOURAGING THING I HAVE READ SINCE THE DAY THEY G A V E THE NOMINATION TO THE ANOINTED ONE.
I HAVE BEEN A DEMOCRAT FOR 40 YEARS AND I READ WHERE DONNA BRAZILLE WAS TELLING ALL THE HILLARY SUPPORTERS THAT THERE WAS A TRAIN LEAVING FOR US TO CATCH IT, THAT OUR VOTES WERE NOT NEEDED. SO I CAUGHT THE TRAIN AND I RODE IT DOWN TO THE FLORIDA ELECTION OFFICE AND I DID JUST WHAT SHE TOLD ME TO DO, I GOT MYSELF OUT OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY. I NEVER THOUGHT THAT WOULD HAPPEN TO ME IN MY LIFETIME.
SO NOW WHEN HE LOOSES IN NOVEMBER IT WON’T BOTHER ME ALL THAT MUCH, HE DESERVES IT.
IF THEY WOULD RUN HILLARY WE WOULD BE A WINNER. SO THAT’S MY PIECE.
Great!!! Now take your vote and shove it up your a**!
This should be Obama’s slogan. It would run really well in Florida and Michigan.
Obama 08: Shove your vote up your a$$.
Good for you. My husband and I have been democrats for fifty years, and will not vote for obama. Also in Florida.
IODANE…thanks, I did jump on this train and I am not DEMOCRAT anymore. I a a honest person, how can I support DNC, who betray me and You all true DEMOCRATS. They dont represent ME at all. How could I support Obama who is betrayng not just white and color people, but also black people(a big time)!!!!
I also left the Democratic party when that rag Donna said she did need any of us. I am a man for PUMA.
I will never ever vote for Obama or give the DNC another nickel.
PUMA should not be only woman movemant forHillary, but for all, we all on same side, so get united and have movement, THE REAL ONE” for “SOLUTIONS” not empty changes, folse promises, and lies!!!
I meant DIDN’t need any of us!
I am confused who gives a damn about UNITY after the convention. If barky is the nominee I will do everything I can to ensure he loses in November.
Hillary or anyone else but barky 08
What’s the deal here, if barky allows Hillary to be on the ballot for show, we fall in line behind the selectee barky. F that.
Thank you. I wrote the same below just as you were writing this. We are not buying this show of democracy. If it’s not the real deal, it’s NO DEAL!
This has nothing to do with Obama. It is out of his control now. That’s the point. It will be a democratic convention now, not a sham.
I agree. This is just a show then everyone’s expected to fall into line. Very, very disappointing what has come to pass. I don’t agree with this document at all. There has to be a a real allowing of Sen. Clinton to be the nominee, not a show. And because the DNC and others have indicated it won’t even be a s how — no unity.
This IS a real chance for name to be on the ballot, for real.
If the delegates who want Hillary on the ballot said what they really meant, like we’re free to do here on this blog, there would be zero chance of her name getting on the ballot. They have to play the game, it’s the only effective thing to do.
Remember what happened to the delegate for Hillary who said she wouldn’t vote for Barky- she was removed. This is a difficult game they are playing. I know Bill & Hillary have a plan- they’re both too smart to show what it is.
She said she was going to vote for McCain. As a party member, never mind a delegate - working against your own candidate means expulsion.
I am a long time HRC supporter, but I have to say, I too think she should be doing more to defy these clowns leading this party. What is she really doing now? Endorsing the airhead and trying to get us to do that too. Not me. I will never ever vote for OB because he is not a valid candidate and cannot lead my country. The fight should be fierce right now to get the nomination done correctly and to challenge the illegal, unethical ways that OB was handed the lead in delegates. Many of us want that fight, but HRC seems to have capitulated and for what reason we do not know. It is her time now and it may never come again. 4 years is a long time and much can happen. I feel the momentum leaving this cause and it is mainly because the person that the cause was all about seems to have another agenda. She should be as outraged as we are about the shameful way this primary was manipulated away from her. The fierce Clinton reputation is not being shown right now. My faint hope is that it all is a facade and that something big will happen before Denver to show me a different outcome. One that saves this country. I do have to admit, I am discouraged at the moment. Come on Hillary, show us your greatness and love for your country, Don’t make it all about party especially a party that stabbed you in the back.
The link to your name is a dead end.
Huh?
Chris I Couldn’t Have Said It Better,I’m Discouraged That She’s Letting These Clowns Play Her Like A Bad Game Of Poker,Theirs No Cover For The Way Their Going After Her,It’s Obvious That Their Intentions Is Not About Unity And Never Will Be Because Theirs Noway In Hell That I Would Vote Or Support Illinois Obama,Can’t Bring Myself To Refer To That Moron For The Title He Holds.I Am An African American Male And This Rebellion That Has Risen Were Done And Is Being Done In Her Honor,About The Way She Were Treated By All Involved,And I Don’t Have To Go Into Specifics,You All Know Who You Are.They Stabbed Her And Bill In The Back,And I Were Hoping That She Ran As An Independant,But I See That It’s Little Possibility Of That,Hopefully She’ll Come Around Soon And I Mean Very Soon.
No, if her name is on the ballot, there’s a chance she could still be the nominee. If not, nothing lost. We still vote McCain.
Forget that part. Just try to email some delegates. If she doesn’t have the petition, her name won’t be there and that’s like capitulation.
I’m glad to see that I’m not the only one confused.
So are they doing this petition to put HRC’s name on the ballot wink wink even though they are still moving forward with having the Obama coronation over at that huge stadium?
If they want me to believe that this is truly going to be an open convention, where the outcome is unknown until the votes are cast, then they need to also pull back on all of the BS that they’ve been planning to placate The One’s enormous ego.
And I agree, if HRC isn’t the nominee, then my vote still goes to McCain.
Choices are:
1. HRC
2. McCain
Backtrack Obozo does not qualify.
PUMA.
..though they are still moving forward with having the Obama coronation over at that huge stadium?
Have Obama cancel the coronation at the stadium and it will show us that Hillary is a serious contender.
Which is exactly why they can’t cancel it. They have to pretend it’s for show, they have to act as if she’s not a real contender, when they know, just like we know, that she could win the nomination.
Hillary Clinton / Elizabeth Edwards 1.20.2009
To anyone who is finding it difficult to find
“OBAMA NATION”. Go to Amazon.com and you can get it sent in about three days, at a discount if you order soon. Also, there are lots of other exposure of OBAMA type books that are currently in stock at Amazon.com.
I hope someone is making a BIG PROTEST to business bureaus, mass media,and they get the story about specific book store not making “Obama Nation” available or providing information. Boycott, anyone?
It is unconstitutional and hurts the writer, publisher, everyone else ccnnected with any of these books. Obama and DNC are behaving so UnAmerican with this Dictatorial behavior.
We must stop BO ASAP. We are PUMA’s and not afaid to expose this hypocrite and to get the truth out before the Dever convention.
This is America! B O and the DND are acting like we live in a third world country.
NO OBAMA 2008!
LOL! Really???
The MSM, already coronate him. I won’t give a penny to the DNC. I donated to Hillary’s campaign, even I have 624 Dollar disability/MO. To be honest, I would be disappointed, if Hillary will abandon her ship. If she won’t ask her name to be put on the ballot, I would never vote for her again.Sorry, this is the way I feel.I always was ready to fight for whatIi believed is fair and go to the end no matter what,if you won’t abandon the principles we are fighting for.Otherwise, I will fight by myself for what I belive, and that is loyality.
I feel that way, too. I feel that Hillary must have something up her sleeve, at least to stop Obama from winning the election. Maybe not publicly, but on the sly, through someone else wink, wink. If not, I am not sure I’ll vote for her in the future knowing that she was willing to put her career above the safety of America. Sorry, but I do wonder why she or Bill are not exposing something somehow to stop this train wreck! Is being with the (loser) democratic party that important? Run Independent. Tell the DNC to F off. That is what they did to you!
Maybe Hillary has plans to speak there.
Could be the koolaid that is confusing you.
Scott, you a dead on right. if her name is on the ballot, great, but if the convention is fixed, what the hell good is it. We are still stuck with the fraud!
magnificent-scatt in jupiter!!!
Hillary or McCain.
no other choice.
the annointed one, exit…stage left.
Obama is so unattractive to many DEMS, they will Never support him, I would rather support Satan
i’m witcha hank
You sound like Satan, so full of hate…
Actually, given that Satan is the “Father of the Lie”, you are much more likely to be his blood relation.
Stop the hate!
hate and lies are coming from Obamas supporters, and I believe that Obamas supporters start to understanding that”his promiase from primaries turn be a froud, so now just stay tune, because #3Obama is coming. He has a mny faces D.Brazille in His stuff, or someone like AndersonCooper360, who personally is helping Obama, I hope, CNN will kick AC360 from His station, He is a corrupted and dirty jurnalist!!! just like DNC-Dean,Pelosi,Reid,Richardson,Dodd,Reich and others!!!
Good One!
Whether the Democratic Party emerges from its Convention unified, or broken beyond repair, depends, more than anything else, on whether the name “Hillary Clinton” appears on the presidential nominating election ballot.
I am not sure I understand this effort. I am completely in favor of having Hillary’s name put into nomination, but if it is “just” for the sake of appearances, then it is just another rigged part of the process. The deals have already been made, delegates have already been bought, and back-room agreements have been brokered. Do we really think the SD’s will make any kind of radical change in their preferences? And if they don’t, which I fully expect, does that mean that everyone is going to go: “Well hey, they agreed to put Hillary’s name in for nomination and we lost fair and square, so NOW I’ll support Obama?” The Party has already shown it’s cowardice and dishonesty–why would we expect an honest floor fight based on real voting? I don’t trust them at all, and just because her name is put into nomination–and if he SURPRISE SURPRISE wins, I will still not vote for him. He is a hypocrite and the Party corrupted the entire process. You cannot undo the damage just by staging a phony Convention.
This will not be for the sake of appearances. The delegates will be free to vote as they choose. The winner will win and the delegates will support that person. Without her name on the ballot, the delegates will not.
You mean the SD’s that Obozo bought (see the thread re Are Superdelegates for Sale?) are now going to freely wink wink cast their vote freely?
Yes, those delegates.
And How About That!?, jus messin!
CaChing, semper fi
Also the delegates selected in State Conventions.
I agree with you 100%, fif. Allowing Hillary’s name to be placed into nomination is a must. It’s the only democratic thing to do. But it does sound like it’s for appearance sake only, to soothe the angry, bitter Hillary supporters who feel oh-so-wronged.
It’s not just about Hillary anymore, though. It WILL NOT, and CAN NOT, erase the despicable behavior exhibited over the past year of the DNC, the media, and Obama and his campaign. It’s way too late for unity, it’s way too late to create an illusion of legitimacy for Obama, it’s way too late for this PUMA to even consider voting for Obama.
As far as I’m concerned, there are only two ways in which I’ll be voting for POTUS in November: first for Hillary, and if she’s not on the ticket, then my vote goes to McCain. Anyone who thinks that just “allowing” Hillary’s name to be place into nomination is going to make everything “all better” needs to think again.
Hillary or McCain
NObama, Never
PUMA Power!
Don’t you understand that they have to make it sound like it’s for appearance sake only, or her name will NEVER get on the ballot and she’ll have no chance of being the nominee?
Any one can check directly with Hillary about last rumor about; Hillary taking Her name of the ballot. It must be confirm by Hillary or Bill ONLY!!!, so We can decide when to start supporting McCain or not support anyone!!!!
PUMA… You are absolutely RIGHT!!!! it is not about Hillary, but it is about a new DEMOCRATIC PARTY< DNC is Finish, Hillary need to start build a new DP!!!
abosulitely, no support for corrupted DNC, but I will support if Hillary wins. AShe will be President, and Obama will go back to Chicago and pray with Wright and Black Power!!!
“Well hey, they agreed to put Hillary’s name in for nomination and we lost fair and square, so NOW I’ll support Obama?”
That’s exactly what they want us to do.
It’s insulting to us Hillary supporters.
NObama in NOvember.
People, you’re missing the point. This isn’t about how YOU vote. You can vote for whoever you want. This is about the delegates. THEY ARE STANDING UP TOGETHER TO ENSURE HER NAME IS PUT IN NOMINATION FOR A VOTE. Hillary agreed to have her name in nomination so the nomination process will be fair and no one will feel like it was undemocratic. This opens it up for the Supers to vote their conscience. GET IT?
Yes, as long as the delegates don’t expect us to fall in line and guilt us into doing it.
Of course they don’t. Again, they are talking about themselves, not the voters.
Thank you! That’s it exactly.
This opens it up for the Supers to vote their conscience. GET IT?
When a document such as this comes out we are smart to really understand what it is stating. Do you sign on the dotted line without really questioning and understanding a document. I am sure there will be much discussion about this the next couple of days. And we should be discussing it. GET IT?
I’m sorry, but we’ve been working towards having a fair convention and you said it was insulting to Hillary supporters. That couldn’t be farther from the truth.
Only if it’s for show. We just want to ensure that they seriously are considering her for nominee.
But like someone said below, why is her name not automatically on the ballot. Why are we having to ask like this?
Because the DNC and Obama didn’t want her on it and had the power to block her name from being on it. Thus the only way to get it on there is by a petition signed by the delegates themselves.