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Obama: A Disaster Waiting to Happen, Legal Challenges Imminent?

I begin this article by once again pointing out that I am not a Lawyer. I have been trying to puzzle out exactly what the Election Laws of a small group of States have to say about Proof of Eligibility in order to try to draw conclusions about the whole. I may have got it wrong because the Laws take up whole Chapters of the State Codes and seem vague. However, there does seem to be a common thread and unless I have it terribly wrong, what I say below seems to be basically true.

Again, this article is an expression of no more than my own thoughts and impressions. If you have concrete evidence that I am wrong please let me have it because nobody would be more delighted than I if I am wrong.

There are hundreds of Electoral Laws on the Statute Books of the various States of this Country. Nobody could read all of them in a month and those that I have managed to get copies of are vague. But it is abundantly clear that there is, or can be, a Duty incumbent upon the Secretary of State and the State Electoral Commissions/Boards of each State to establish the Eligibility of Candidates in their State.

Until now this has been a gentlemanly process that has amounted pretty much to self certification but it doesn’t have to be. In each and every State the papers filed with the State Electoral Commissions/Boards are subject to challenge in either the State Supreme Court or the US Supreme Court, which can both issue what used to be called Writs of Mandamus instructing the Secretary of State or State Electoral Commissions/Boards to determine the eligibility of a candidate for any given office.

The standards of proof are in some cases the Civil Standard and in some cases the Criminal Standard. Criminal Standard of Proof is this: “The issue must be established Beyond all Reasonable Doubt”. Civil Standard of Proof is this: “The issue must be established by the Preponderance of Evidence”.

Obama, one way or another, is going to have to prove either some of the things below or all of them:

a) His Legal Name and Age.

b) His Legal Parentage and Place of Birth.

c) His Legal (Sole) Nationality/Citizenship.

d) Whether or not he has EVER been a Citizen of any Country other than the USA.

e) Whether or not he has ever Registered for Selective Service.

f) Whether or not he has any outstanding Tax Debts and his current Tax Status.

g) Whether or not he has any outstanding Criminal Convictions, etc. [Even unpaid Parking Tickets may count.]

h) Whether or not he is suffering from any Mental Illness or Condition that might render him unfit for Office. [Including any Record of Drug or Alcohol Abuse.]

i) Anything else any Court, Election Commission or Secretary of State asks him to prove.

No previous candidate, so far as I am aware, has ever had to prove all of these things but they can be asked to, and Obama, almost certainly will be. One may reasonably assume he will be asked for proofs in at least two States, if he becomes the Nominee.

He will also be cross-examined about his friends and associates. Several of these questions could result in Criminal Charges, should the answers be less than adequate in the opinions of the Court, the various Secretaries of State, or State Electoral Commissions/Boards. If any of these questions produce negative results he will be removed from the Ballot in that State.

It seems obvious that Senator Obama either cannot answer some of these questions adequately, or dare not answer them for fear of the consequences, or else he would already have done so. Indeed, if he can deal with these issues adequately I can think of no reason for the fact that he has not already done so.

A number of Obama supporters have said that there are no verifiable facts in any of my previous articles. Well, they are wrong because the texts that I quoted are facts in and of themselves. They are absolutely right that I have stated no verifiable facts about Senator Obama except the following: His birth year; the fact that his father was a Kenyan Citizen and before that a UK Subject; the fact that his stepfather was an Indonesian Citizen; the fact that every Indonesian Household has a KK document; the fact that he attended 2 Indonesian State Schools; etc, etc, etc. These facts are drawn from, among other sources, his own statements.

My views on his Eligibility and probable Citizenships are not matters of fact, they are my views and I never claimed otherwise. But my entire point is that there SHOULD be Facts and there are NOT.

Senator Obama has presented not ONE SINGLE FACTUAL REASON to support the IDEA that he is Eligible to be POTUS, or at least IF he has I am unaware of any person to whom he has presented it. The burden of proof does not lay with a Petitioner. It lays firmly on Obama.

These same Obama supporters argue that my views on Article II lack merit but I have yet to actually encounter any argument they have advanced to counter my view that doesn’t make Governor Schwarzenegger a Legitimate Candidate for POTUS under the XIVth Amendment.

The problem for his supporters is this:

If he does become the Official and Legal Nominee of the Democratic Party for the Office of POTUS he may/will be Legally Obliged to present evidence PROVING BEYOND ALL REASONABLE DOUBT, or on the Preponderance of Evidence, that he is Eligible to hold the Office of POTUS. He will have to present this evidence to the Secretaries of State of the various States of the Union, and/or the State Electoral Commissions/Boards and to the Courts. This evidence will be amenable of Legal Challenge in each and every State, the Secretaries of State will be Legally Obliged to verify it and will also be Liable to Challenge if they do not do so. Writs of Mandamus may be issued under the Authority of the Supreme Court to force them to do so. [Please try to find the appropriate part of your State Legislation online or physically. If it isn’t the case in your State let me know; it SHOULD be.]

Now Obama, or the Democratic Party could just “self certify” in each State, as he did in Illinois before he became a State Senator, and the Secretaries of State and Electoral Boards and Commissions could just accept it. But does anybody believe that in none of the 50 States Court Challenges will be launched? True, any challenger would have to prove a basis in Law for the challenge. The basis exists, and only the Courts can say it is invalid. Normally there would be no problem and the Secretary of State or the Electoral Commissions/Boards would not ask for the evidence but in this case it is reasonable to assume that at least some of them will.

This has already happened to McCain, let us remember. What if the challengers possess actual proof of Ineligibility, such proof as I do not possess? This need be no more than the proof that his Legal Name, as given on his documents, is incorrect, or might be.

Unless I badly misread the situation, this means that the issue of the meaning of Article II of the US Constitution could come to be addressed by any number of State Supreme Courts, in addition to the US Supreme Court. Likewise, the issues surrounding the Senator’s Citizenship in General and Specific Terms.

Is this what Bill Clinton meant when he said this would be an “interesting election”?

What happens if Challenges are issued in all 50 States and are found correct in, say 15, unjustified in 19, considered moot in 6 and unresolved in 10? The answer to that question is a Constitutional Crisis. A crisis of major proportions because his name would Legally have to be removed from the Ballot in 25 States and replaced by that of his VP Candidate. If nothing else it would become impossible for him to win an election. There are Amendments that seem designed partly to prevent this but I do not see how they could.

Even if challenges were issued in only one or two States, but were successful, the whole mess would have to go to the US Supreme Court. If it went before the Courts explain how it would be possible for him to remain a candidate, or if he did how the General Election could go ahead in November with him on the Ballot? Does anybody really believe he wouldn’t lose in at least two States? In most cases his name will simply be replaced on the Ballot by that of his VP Candidate and the Election will go ahead, but without him. It is an oddity of the system that he may not need to be Eligible to stand, but he must be in order ever to take Office.

Certainly if he were obliged to present proof establishing Eligibility beyond All Reasonable Doubt the evidence would tend to suggest very strongly that he could not do so. Certainly he has not done so to this point in time. Indeed, he has not even produced evidence that would establish HIS LEGAL NAME beyond all Reasonable Doubt, to date.

There are sufficient provable untruths in his public utterances and published writings to prove Reasonable Doubt would have to be entertained with regard to anything he has claimed about his background. Those untruths are there and they are Legally Verifiable beyond all Reasonable Doubt. I cannot see how he could hope to prove his Eligibility, in these terms, and there would seem to be reason to think that in some States he might be liable to Legal Sanction for his past claims.

Unless and until he proves all Reasonable Doubts baseless, Senator Obama should remove his name from contention. If he does not do so he risks promoting severe problems for the whole country, as well as for himself. It isn’t possible, given all that we do not know and all that he has not revealed, that he could pass the necessary Standard of Proof in all 50 States, and unless he did he unleashes the Deluge.

It is not for Petitioners to prove their doubts correct to get the case into Court. Once it is there the burden is upon the Senator to prove that the doubts are unreasonable. He doesn’t seem to be either willing or able to do so, or in any event he hasn’t done so yet.

Many people, including myself, have asked themselves why all of this has not already been done, if it can be. There seem to be two reasons. Firstly, most Democrats did not realize that it could be done and those that did were afraid to be perceived as damaging the Party in their own interests, or to be seen as racist. Make no mistake, if this goes to Court, or if any Secretary of State or Election Board/Commission simply acts on their own Authority, it will damage the whole Democratic Party in the General Election.

Secondly, the Republicans who know the possibility exists cannot act until he is the Nominee and the Democratic Party begins the process of filing the papers in each State. Once he is and the process begins they can, and presumably will, act. The Republicans know what has been done in McCain’s case and how and why it had no effect so they know how it can be done and how to do it.

Remember that this is a unique situation in the History of the USA and only the Republicans have any relevant experience in this area. Until he is the Candidate the only place in which an objection could be lodged would be Illinois. Subsequent to his candidacy any State is open.

It is not for me to verify facts about Senator Obama; it seems to have been made either difficult or impossible for me to do so. It is up to Senator Obama to verify the facts. He has not done so, he has not tried to do so, all that he has done is to create more doubt. And if you are supporting him you should demand that he does and not insult those who actually ask for answers to which every single citizen in the USA is entitled.

If Obama becomes the nominee he will have to produce the evidence that justifies him. What will you, as an Obama supporter, do if he fails? What will we, who do not support him, do? And how will the United States weather the storm? He will have placed the Democratic Party in eclipse for a generation and destroyed the Political Influence of his major Constituencies probably forever. If the groups who support him try to prevent the removal of his name as a candidate by fomenting Civil Disorder it will be a Disaster of epic proportion. The African American Community seems to have decided to overwhelmingly support him and upon them will fall the bulk of any suffering that ensues. The rest of America will suffer, and has, and American influence in the world will plum a new depth.

Obama is a disaster waiting to happen, win or lose, and he HAS TO STEP DOWN NOW before the tsunami hits.


READ these other stories by Judah Benjamin:

The Paper Trail: Obama’s Indonesia Background

Divided Loyalties: Obama’s Eligibility Problem, Part 2

Divided Loyalties: Obama’s Eligibility Problem, Part 1


DISCLAIMER:This article presents draft and preliminary viewpoints and information, all of which is subject to change. It is intended to be strictly theoretical and hypothetical, in an effort to examine and vet the background, qualifications, and eligibility for U.S. President of a serious candidate and public figure who is standing for that office. The assertions made herein are believed to be true by the author based on good-faith efforts to research the facts related to a public figure running for public office. In the event that documentation deemed to be reliable by the author comes to the author’s attention disproving one or more of the assertions made herein, corrections will be published.

Cross-posted from TexasDarlin.

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Comment by kinthenortwest | 2008-08-02 17:36:11

I still cannot figure out why Obama has not be pushed to do it prior to now, or why if there is nothing to hide he has not done it freely.

Comment by BABALU123 | 2008-08-03 13:39:28

is this possible, that dirty Obama intentionaly is making mass around Himself, all those FLIP_FLOPS, lies, racial remarks, changing His views, ideas???cover up on His pass is intentionally dne, because He have to get off candidacy for President, because he will be uncovered for His corrupted life???
I hope, that Highest Court wont let Him get away, and if be proven, then we all know, that He should be try as braking the LAW of USA, lies, corruption and more…Bill Clinton is right, this ellection is intresting, and get to the bottom of Obamas whole life!!! This time !!! CIA,FBI you gat my OK!!!

 
 

Comment by AnnieCarmel | 2008-08-02 17:42:22

TD: In all local and I believe state elections, you have to file papers declaring specifics about whether you meet eligibility requirements.

Doesn’t it follow that papers have to be filed for national office as well? If you lie on any of statements on declaration documents it isn’t like lying on a resume. It would seem that those would be open to public scrutiny.

Comment by tzada | 2008-08-02 18:22:48

I posted here yesterday that someone was petitioning the State of Illinois to prove him eligible to serve as a Senator. I will try and find the link again.

Comment by tzada | 2008-08-02 18:27:26

Here it is

Sign this petition: Illinois Petition for Investigation of Barack Obama’s Birth Certificate from Mitchell Langert who petitioned Hawaii here: Mitchell Langert has submitted an FOI request,

contrairimairi@aol.com has drafted a petition for residents of Illinois that demands an investigation of Barack Obama’s birth certificate. If you live in Illinois please sign the petition, pass it around to your friends and forward it to her at contrairimairi@aol.com:

We, the undersigned residents of the State of Illinois, hereby demand that Barack Hussein Obama produce documentation of American citizenship in the form of a legal birth certificate. It is our understanding that Mr. Obama has heretofore refused to produce such a document. The residency requirement for qualification as a United States Senator includes United States citizenship. Without documentation, under United States law, Barack Hussein Obama may not legally qualify to represent the citizens of the State of Illinois. By signing this petition, we request that the State of Illinois investigate Mr. Obama’s eligibility to serve in the Senate and make his birth certificate public immediately, and that with continued coverup
of documentation, we demand Mr. Obama’s immediate removal from the Senate.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/petition-to-inv.html

Comment by Patti | 2008-08-02 19:22:16

And we, the undersigned of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania…

Comment by BABALU123 | 2008-08-03 13:52:54

should be the whole AMERICA screaming for all those papers, and investigation about braking the Law in Illinois. Anyone who acts as Obama does, must be investigated!!!

 
 
 
 

Comment by fif | 2008-08-02 21:44:07

Exactly. I can’t understand why this is not mandatory. We have to present our birth certificate to get a passport, and for any other number of privileges in this country. I would think it would be required that a candidate for the PRESIDENCY should have to document the truth of his background and record. What is the point of “self-certifying?!”

WHO WILL FILE THE NECESSARY CHALLENGES?!

 
 

Comment by beebop | 2008-08-02 17:44:10

Donna Donkey’s ass was just on ABC:

a. Barry did not play the race card … it is not to his advantage … RIGHT!

b. Barry’s “new position” on off shore drilling “reflects the new position in Congress.” WTF? Was she watching Friday when Nancy PeePee turned out the lights and flew home?

c. Barry wants a more immediate gas relief for consumers …. THEN WHY THE HELL DID HE CALL 20 cents “pandering?” And the reporter just let her get away with it!

If anyone has Donna’s email, send her an email and CALL HER ON IT!!!!

Comment by No for O | 2008-08-02 18:13:48

She is in denial.

Comment by tzada | 2008-08-02 18:33:16

She is in De Nile along with Barry

 
 

Comment by Andy | 2008-08-02 18:36:28

DB is missing quite a few screws in her brain. She makes no sense whatsoever; at all…and she ain’t that
smart either.

Comment by cc | 2008-08-02 19:02:59

DB is a shapeshifter, devoid of human conscience, a bonafide extra-terrestrial lacking moral compass.

in more simple terms…donna lies through her teeth.

 

Comment by Connie | 2008-08-02 23:05:01

I’m sure she is. No wonder, Gore lost. Or maybe she had a deal with Rove then.

 
 

Comment by DAB | 2008-08-02 18:55:20

I saw that segment and wondered why only one side was given (Obama’s)? I don’t watch ABC a lot and don’t know if they have these kinds of opinionators on very often or not but it seemed out of line to me.

Comment by hank48188 | 2008-08-02 19:16:15

ABC is the netwook that got Alexrod to admit Obama was playing the race card, ABC has done more to expose Obama than any other network, except FOX

 
 

Comment by Patti | 2008-08-02 19:23:25

She slept in this morning. First real day of vacation.

 

Comment by fif | 2008-08-02 21:45:32

These “reporters” are just stenographers. I have yet to see one of them challenge a direct lie by Obama and his handlers. It’s a joke.

 
 

Comment by AnnieCarmel | 2008-08-02 17:45:28

Sorry, I did a once over lightly and see you have broached some of this..but don’t you have to file papers of intent as well before entering primaries?

Comment by Andy | 2008-08-02 18:39:15

It seems absolutely CRAZY to me that the DNC has not make him put forward openly his elegibility for POTUS at the first sign of question –and especially after the McCain affair– and abort all sort of doubts and
further questions.

What’s the matter here????

Comment by cc | 2008-08-02 19:05:19

well…if the dnc’s been bought and paid for by soros…then why should press bo on anything? they’re working 24-7 to cover up the truth.

 
 

Comment by Andy | 2008-08-02 18:39:32

It seems absolutely CRAZY to me that the DNC has not made him put forward openly his elegibility for POTUS at the first sign of question –and especially after the McCain affair– and abort all sort of doubts and
further questions.

What’s the matter here????

Comment by MAGUS | 2008-08-02 19:18:40

I read and I am NOT sure of this but, the laws between 1952-1986 which were mentioned, applied to US citizens living OUTSIDE the United States. Please tell me if this is true because it would refute your argument concerning “natural born” citizen in reference to Obama’s mother not being here for 10 yrs, 5 of which after the age of 16.
Thanks

 

Comment by Patti | 2008-08-02 19:29:47

It seems absolutely CRIMINAL to me.

I just HOPE I get to retire before all this shit hits the fan. Or at the very least pre-Invesco.

If JM is in on this as well, he should be indicted, as well. Oops, Country before Anything.

This bullshit has gone on way too long already.

Show me. Don’t tell me.

BTW: I want cheese and crackers and a cold Coors Light whence the Festivities begin. Noon O’clock!
Get the fuck off my lawn, Buddy Boy.

 
 
 

Comment by Katmoon | 2008-08-02 17:52:06

Texas Darlin,

I appreciate the hard work you have put into this, and I can imagine at times it is a thankless task. I think between drivers license and passport, those two documents are where the answer may be. You are obligated by the state and federal government on both documents to,supply truthful documentation for proof of citizenship otherwise it is fraud. You have to change your license every time you change your last name, same with passports. Also social security records must change as well, and marriage license documentation. For student loans you have to have current name, as per your license and social security records, because of possible loan default.
Just saying maybe when original drivers license, changed to next one, or if there was a move involved again drivers license and passport and ss must be updated, maybe some information there, in the dates of the changes.

Comment by tzada | 2008-08-02 19:16:17

He is paranoid about his passport. Remeber the big ta do when passport security was breached?

Comment by Patti | 2008-08-02 19:35:17

Clear as crystal. Passport invasion …congressional hearings!!

aah, we wuz jus messinwitchaman.
Super Duper Tuesday and Away We Go…………..!

 
 
 

Comment by bemused | 2008-08-02 17:52:28

Nothing that might work against this man can be done without forcing him, yet ploys that seem to be to his advantage (like preempting the race card) are done immediately. I conclude it is not to his advantage to be known, or we would know more. We would have birth certificates, childhood pictures and yearbooks. Therefore, it will take a lot of people suing him or the government in every possible venue to get more info.

 

Comment by stodghie | 2008-08-02 17:55:28

the republicans will surely be the ones that file the demand for proof. the ever so reluctant dims won’t. if riots ensue and well they might, then the aa community will lose prestiege and power. so sad to sad it will be a generation before another potential candidate will be possible. obama, just look at what your ego has done.

 

Comment by TexasDarlin | 2008-08-02 17:59:19

Another great investigative piece, thanks!

Comment by Patti | 2008-08-02 19:39:20

Tes another grea piece. I have to print it out and read it again with my handy dandy highlighter.

No trolls today. hmmm, how refreshing.

Rumor: they are regrouping at obamacamp, poor suckers. hmmm, poor hosts of the parasite, I mean.

Comment by Patti | 2008-08-02 19:40:56

typing with my thumbs, obviously.

Yes, another great piece, indeed.

 
 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-08-03 08:43:50

AGREE…GREAT PIECE MR. BENJAMIN. Thankyou and TD and all the rest who are on the Scent…..Somethin’s FISHY. Keep up the good work

 
 

Comment by Lou | 2008-08-02 18:00:05

I haven’t ever witnessed an election like this one-The statement that will go down in history. Emily’s list slammed Hillary during the primaires and now Hillary is speaking at the sufferage meeting on behalf of Emily’s list. It appears to be a fundraiser for them since you have to buy the tickets from them.

Democrats are being coy about the role to be played at the convention by Clinton, who finished a close second to Barack Obama to be the party’s presidential candidate.

Sen. Clinton “will play a major role,” but the details haven’t been announced because the convention wants to pop a few surprises for the Aug. 25-28 event, Obama spokesman Jennifer Backus said on.

read the full disgusting article here>
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/aug/01/hillary-clinton-to-be-guest-at-gala-honoring/

Comment by Grace | 2008-08-02 19:13:22

Lou said:

“Emily’s list slammed Hillary during the primaries…”

It wasn’t them who slammed Hillary, it was NARAL the Judases who endorsed Obama before the primaries were over. Emily’s list were supportive of Hillary until the end, and only endorsed Obama after she gave her concession speech in June.

 

Comment by pew | 2008-08-02 19:27:57

You can call me any name in the Book, But I say, Democrats,was playing with Republicans all along, and the Big surprise, will be Clinton will be the Nominee. That’s my opinion, and I’m sticking to it.

This has been such a crazy primary,I will never forget the night Obama gave his exceptance Speech, and he wanted to talk to Clinton right away, Her time and place. Than the secret meeting. Her 18 million Voters,Her question What does Hillary want? AAnd Mcauffey(spelling) announced her President Clinton. This has been a game,imo, playing the republicans…… Mark my words, I’m right.lol imo

Clinton will be the Nominee at Convention.Just watch I think that will be the big surprise.

Comment by Patti | 2008-08-02 19:48:27

I’m calling you, pew!

Hillary Clinton/ Elizabeth Edwards
1.20.2009
An Oath and a Promise

 
 
 

Comment by Ted | 2008-08-02 18:02:02

Eligibility for POTUS is a federal issue. No state law has any, I repeat any bearing on a person’s eligibility to run for POTUS. Facts is Facts.

Comment by TexasDarlin | 2008-08-02 18:04:25

No one said anything about state law. But getting on the POTUS ballot is a state-by-state process.

Comment by WIldChild | 2008-08-02 18:10:52

 

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-02 18:12:49

Ted isn’t listening; he’s getting his new talking points from the botMaster.

 

Comment by Ted | 2008-08-02 18:13:57

Are you kidding? Read the article above. If is full of bizarre language about state by state eligibility.

Example “There are hundreds of Electoral Laws on the Statute Books of the various States of this Country. Nobody could read all of them in a month and those that I have managed to get copies of are vague. But it is abundantly clear that there is, or can be, a Duty incumbent upon the Secretary of State and the State Electoral Commissions/Boards of each State to establish the Eligibility of Candidates in their State.”

Comment by WIldChild | 2008-08-02 18:19:41

What makes it easy for BOBO is he is running as a Democrat so the party does most of the heavy lifting for him. But he had to register to run for president in IL to get the ball rolling. In IL and candidate has to file paperwork. But he doesn’t have to file it in person and he doesn’t have to provide ID.

 

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-02 18:21:23

The fact remains that he must be a US citizen. I have seen nowhere an undoctored version of his COLB. I have two certified copies of mine. Every time I need a government issued document, I must bring one of them with me. This is true of millions of Americans. So the Senator can produce his, if he actually has one.

I know you think this is just drama but many, including me, consider it to be an important issue–is he a citizen? Is there a reason why he can’t/won’t produce it?

 

Comment by Katmoon | 2008-08-02 18:27:01

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. ”

10th AMendment Ted, in case you want to read up

Comment by Ted | 2008-08-02 18:45:40

OK. In the mean time, read Article II of the Constitution.

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-02 18:49:33

OK, in the meantime you look up state laws regarding elections.

Comment by Ted | 2008-08-02 18:55:50

I don’t need to. I have read anb analysis oni the subject by a constitutional scholar, and his conclusion is federal position, federal laws apply. That simple. It is unconstitutional for a state to put restrictions on a presidential candidate. That’s the law in the good ole USA.

Comment by WIldChild | 2008-08-02 18:59:19

The state’s aren’t putting restrictions on the candidates Ted. They would just be upholding the law.

 

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-02 19:10:40

Being deliberately obtuse appears to be one of your strong suits. The restrictions are already there. Oblahblah must prove he is a citizen. If he does not or cannot, he should not be allowed on the ballot. If already on the ballot, his name should be removed.

Of course, Ted, you could be saying that it is a restriction that should not be enforced. Is this what you are saying? Do tell.

 

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-02 19:18:20

It is unconstitutional for a state to put restrictions on a presidential candidate.

What you are saying, in essence, is that the requirement is unenforceable. I’m sure any judge would laugh at you with that sort of absurd argument.

 

Comment by elise | 2008-08-02 19:48:21

Ted, I believe the point is; States bring the challenge and Federal Courts decide.

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by Andy | 2008-08-02 18:43:23

Ted:

It is elegibility to be in the ballot for POTUS.

The Federal issue deals with the Constitutional requirements to BE Potus.

Two related but different issues.

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-02 18:47:57

Ted won’t respond for awhile. He’s getting further instructions from the bot on duty.

Comment by Patti | 2008-08-02 19:49:29

Ted is a terd.

 
 

Comment by Ted | 2008-08-02 18:51:25

OK. Given Obama was eligible to be on the ballot for the primary in all 50 states, I’m going to to out on a limb and say he will be eligible for the general election as well.

But in any case, a state can not implement requirements related to citizenship or age or anything like that. The state requirements are all procedural in nature.

Comment by WIldChild | 2008-08-02 18:55:09

Sure they can Ted. The US constitution is the supreme law of the land. The states are bound by it. If they are allowing candidates to run that don’t meet the mandated requirements, they are wrong.

Comment by Ted | 2008-08-02 19:00:10

Come on. Don’t do this again. The US Constitution sets the requerements, not the states. You essentially said that yourself. That’s my point. It’s ain’t a state by state deaal with requirements varying in each state. They are all the same. As set by the Constitution.

i sense you are getting ready to embark on another convolution session. Let me save you the trouble. I’m done on this topic.

Comment by WIldChild | 2008-08-02 19:07:10

Ted, you’re being intentionally dense (LOL I hope) Filing requirements are different in the different states. That’s not the issue. The issue has to do with the states upholding the supreme law of the land laid out in the US Constitution in the form of minimum requirement’s to hold office. The state’s are running their own elections and as such are bound by law to insure the candidates meet those minimum requirements. IL doesn’t do that and IL is were BOBO had to originally file.

 

Comment by alexei | 2008-08-02 19:07:54

Hey, Ted are you in contact with Obama - you know the absolute expert on Constitutional Law? LOL!!!

 

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-02 19:14:27

No, you’re just done. The requirements for office are there and are enforceable. I take it your position is that the they are not enforceable. Guess you’re one of those who believe the Constitution is just a piece of paper.

Comment by C.S. | 2008-08-03 07:01:28

It appears Ted is mixing up the authority of Democratic party, which has no Constitutional standing, with the Powers reserved to the States.

The Democratic party, by refusing to count the votes of Florida and Michigan citizens, went from being a political organization to usurping the power of the state legislature given to them by Our Constitution to set the conditions and rules of elections.

Thus, these two political parties which prevented the voters of two states from participation in the selection of a presidential candidate in these states’ primaries while arbitrarily allowing other states to do so without Democratic party “punishment” interferes with those Constitutional powers. No political party can Constitutionally set rules for participation or conducting elections just because a political party said so.

If that were true, theoretically the Green or Libertarian parties could make elections rules that states would have to abide by therefore forcing both Democrats and Republicans to follow their “rules.” And if we got into a Constitutional law squabble the states would be the winners because they set the election procedure in their states.

Yes, the 2000 election which had specific laws regarding Florida elections was overruled by the Supreme Court specifically to keep Gore from having a recount because the Court emphasized that by that ruling it was not setting a precedent. Oh, what a tangled web we weave when we allow political parties to deceive.

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-03 07:15:54

Hell, Ted comes here thinking he’s still on HuffPo, where they swallow his crock of manure gladly. He never did answer my question about enforceability. If a Constitutional requirement isn’t enforceable, we are in big trouble.

I am beginning to think that Ted is one of those Mucilage Trolls.

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Comment by Patti | 2008-08-02 19:54:11

Or else, at the very least, Albert Gore would have been installed back in Y2K.

 
 

Comment by Andy | 2008-08-02 19:06:52

Ted:

That ballot was to win the nomination for a political party not the office of the presidency. Different ballot thresholds.

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-02 19:11:49

Ouch, now you’ve going to confuse him.

 

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-02 19:20:46

I guess, according to Ted, Arnold could run for president since the Constitutional requirement is not enforceable in any meaningful way. I’m sure Arnold would reward Ted for this information.

Comment by Patti | 2008-08-02 19:58:45

please, issue 2 capsules of cyanide for those of us who just might want to check out. Arnold over my dead body. OR -

Maybe a nice family in Jamaica will give me a nice room for 500 American dollars per month?

 
 
 

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-02 19:22:53

So then where’s the enforcement? I bet you have no answer to that one.

 
 

Comment by democracyfirst | 2008-08-02 19:39:00

The states do have regulations dealing with who can be on the ballot and they are not all the same. A simple example - some states require a candidate to register to have write-in votes count, some states will count them without registration. That has nothing to do with eligibility for POTUS but it does affect who will get votes in that state. The same holds true with other qualifications and eligibility requirements.

The Federal issue deals with the Constitutional requirements to BE Potus.

Exactly. But to be POTUS, the person must get votes and win states.

It is very simple - if Obama cannot or will not prove he is qualified to be on the state ballots, he will not get any votes in the states that will not allow him on the ballot. At that point, his eligibility to be POTUS would be moot, wouldn’t it.

All it would take is one state declaring him ineligible to be on the ballot to destroy his candidacy and the Democratic Party. You read Judah’s article so you know why.

And the thing about threatening to do it to McCain - that wouldn’t really help Obama would it. We could end up voting for 2 VP nominees for President.

Or we could have a third party spring up in record time, with its nominee being elected. Now there is an interesting possibility. The two major parties destroying themselves and a third party emerging victorious - all in one election season.

This very well could be “an election like we never witnessed before” in ways we cannot even imagine today.

Comment by txchelle | 2008-08-02 20:17:20

Good summary. Good points.

 

Comment by chris | 2008-08-02 23:50:45

Excellent post and all the more reason that HRC should be the nominee. What if the vp candidates are not qualified either? We don’t get to choose them, the candidates do. I don’t want that to be our only choice. BamBam needs to get out now. Hillary needs to become a force instead of endorsing this goof.

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by txchelle | 2008-08-02 19:15:19

Eligibility for POTUS is a federal issue. No state law has any, I repeat any bearing on a person’s eligibility to run for POTUS. Facts is Facts.

So following that logic, a dispute about an individual state’s laws regarding the counting (and recounting) of ballots and subsequent certification of a winner would have no bearing on who becomes POTUS.

That’s odd, because I distinctly remember a dispute about state law being heard and decided by the SCOTUS. I think that state was Florida. I think the election year was 2000.

 

Comment by tzada | 2008-08-02 19:21:02

But they well may for him to be a Senator. If fraud was used then fraud gets punished.

 
 

Comment by NancyA | 2008-08-02 18:07:35

Obama is as transparent as a brick wall. If he doesn’t have to answer questions he won’t. Remember during the primaries when he would only answer 8 questions for a Chicago newspaper! You gave him too many questions up above….lol………..

 

Comment by LuigiDaMan | 2008-08-02 18:08:07

Washington Post starts to figure out that they are biased toward Obama:

“Part of Obama’s visual success in The Post is due to three factors, like them or not — Obama as phenomenon; that he’s photogenic; and good photo opportunities. But none of that gets The Post off the hook for the McCain photo gap. There is no Post policy that the paper must run pictures of equal size and color and quality. But there is the rule that everyone knows: Be fair.”

-Deborah Howell, Wapo Ombudsman

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080102874.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

 

Comment by CognitiveDissonance | 2008-08-02 18:11:24

Mr. Benjamin, you’ve done some really great work and given us all a lot to chew on. Quite frankly, I have a gut feeling that you are right and that Obama is NOT qualified to be POTUS (he certainly isn’t qualified based on his knowledge/experience, but this takes it to a whole new level).

The problem, as it always is with Obama, is getting anyone in the DNC or MSM to actually listen and report it. And then, finally, to do something about it. That has been the sticking point with all the scandals that surround Obama. They get lightly reported in the MSM, if at all, but only after Fox starts talking about it for months or the blogs are screaming with the information. Then Obama gets to be trotted out to deny everything and they go on to the next Messianic photo-op and try to shove it under the rug. In the meantime, us PUMA’s who know better have no way to act that will stop the inevitable train wreck that is coming.

So we really need to think about this: what can we do about it? If as Mr. Benjamin believes the Republicans are poised to act after the Convention, we are in for the worst constitutional mess since the 2000 Bush v. Gore fiasco. The only way to keep it from happening is to get this info out right now. I’m sure most PUMA’s have followed this series at No Quarter or Texas Darlin’s blog. But that doesn’t get it out into the mainstream. We all know the MSM is just a craven Obama propaganda machine. And the lone holdout, Fox, will not do anything to keep Obama from being nominated so they can destroy him later. Who really thinks that Karl Rove isn’t aware of all this?

So what, folks, can we do right now? Only Hillary winning at the convention will stop this scenario.

 

Comment by Gary | 2008-08-02 18:13:00

Are you suffering from a complete break with reality? Obama may win or he may lose but he will not be disqualified. He is over 35 and is a US citizen. Oh, and that big hole over in Colorado is the Grand Canyon. That thing you’re sitting on is your ass.

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-02 18:14:41

Where’s the proof of citizenship. I’ve seen no undoctored COLB.

And that thing between your shoulders is a point.

 

Comment by olivia1998 | 2008-08-02 18:20:38

There there now calm down now bend over and pick-up your little brain and be very careful now steady hand and stick it back in the hole your setting on.

Comment by WIldChild | 2008-08-02 18:24:16

He’ll be awhile so it would be best not to wait around. The grand canyon is REALLY deep.

 
 

Comment by bemused | 2008-08-02 18:37:55

Nope, the Grand Canyon is still in AZ. Barry hasn’t moved it yet.

Comment by Patti | 2008-08-02 19:43:00

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

And are the mountains still in Montana or do we need to now change the name of the State?

 
 

Comment by Andy | 2008-08-02 19:11:27

OMG Gary:

The Grand Canyon is not in Colorado…..
but in Arizona.

http://www.nps.gov/grca/

What was that comment Obama made deriding “low information voters” ? I guess he was talking/refering to his own supporters??

Go back to school Gary.