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Obama Shuts Out Bill Clinton; Dumps Party Unity

Remember that Senator from Illinois? No, not Barack. I mean Abe. Unlike Barack–who is petty and small minded–Abraham Lincoln recognized the need for graciousness and charity in binding of the wounds of a nation wracked by civil war. So how tough can it be to calm the waters from a bruising Democratic primary in which no one died? Seems that task is way too difficult for Barack. Instead of promoting Democratic coalition politics and political unity, Obama has decided to ignore Bill Clinton. He won’t pick up the phone, not interested in advice, and apparently is too self-absorbed to realize that even Bill Clinton might have some value in a national election.

What does Obama think he’s doing? Is Obama waiting to fall far behind John McCain before he picks up the phone to ask Bill Clinton what he might do? Is he waiting before he’s behind in the swing states before the convention?

How does Obama propose to rally the Democratic Party base? Does he imagine that his personality to so attractive that he doesn’t need a united party? Instead of forging a unified party, he is building a cult of personality.

Supposedly, it will trump the tried and true ways of winning. Forget about putting together the alliances that have won in the past. Obama will simply stun us into dream-like worship and enthusiasm.

Attention, Obamabots! What if this is Obama’s game plan and there isn’t another one. What if the McCain campaign has him dead-on. What if the media can’t win it for Obama? Worried yet? Still in denial?

SEE the Washington Post.

With a negligible relationship with Sen. Barack Obama — he has spoken to him just once since the primaries — Clinton has been shut out of the Obama campaign almost entirely and does not know even basic things, such as the role he will play at the Democratic convention.

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Comment by Mr.Murder | 2008-08-03 18:37:40

Let John Kerry wow them. He picked John Edwards instead of Wes Clark to run with him, boy was THAT an example of great judgement!

Comment by Dawnelle Leona del Puma | 2008-08-03 18:52:39

sigh

it’s been a lot of years since I cheered and hoped for WES in 04.

I was “asked” to get on board with Kerry by the General. Then Kerry picked the pretty boy. (I shook my head)

THIS TIME the GEN. asked us to “consider” Hillary (so out of respect I did)

but then…….. after being totally sold on HILLARY

CLARK half assed asked us to get on board the Obama Train………. if he had been LOOKING at me he would have seen my one finger salute!

Sorry General, you’ve asked me ONE tooo many times to follow you blindly! It’ ain’t happening again.

HILLARY IN 08

OF MC CAIN IT IS!!

Comment by Dawnelle Leona del Puma | 2008-08-03 19:06:09

 

Comment by Gloria | 2008-08-03 22:28:33

As a former Clarkie, I see the same trend…I guess all those reports about him being called the “Perfumed Prince” while at the Pentagon were true. He is interested in promoting himself and hooks into anything or anyone that he thinks will get him ahead.

I really have been VERY disappointed in Clark. He’s got the brains, but like Obama, has a real problem with his personality…

Comment by SueB. | 2008-08-04 05:17:22

I call bullsh*t on this!
Wes Clark enhusiastically endorsed Hillary and campaigned for her. He “endorsed” BO because he is the “presumptious” nominee. As a new Democrat (he joined the party in ‘03) he didn’t have much choice, if he was ever going to have any influence in the Dem Party. Same thing when he “endorsed” Kerry in ‘04. It’s only because they are “Democrats.”
So get off Wes Clark’s back. He’s been thrown under the bus by BO and Kerry.

Comment by nobamaever09 | 2008-08-05 13:26:36

Why no one is taking on OPERAH???, She is responsible for Obama “succes”!!! take on HER< You fergot what She did, take You anger on Operah!!!

 
 

Comment by CentralMass | 2008-08-04 06:26:24

Wes Clark has committed a lot of blood and sweat into getting democrats elected around the country. From fund rasing to personal appearances etc..

I won’t follow the call to support Obama either but the personal attacks on Clark are completely out of line.

 
 
 

Comment by carol | 2008-08-03 19:09:14

Gift from Heaven - to be shunned by the great “one”.

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-08-03 19:12:37

I’d rather vote for Jackie Gleason (the real “great one”) than B. Hussein Obama.

Comment by hill2012 | 2008-08-04 01:11:49

I’d rather vote for Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck for the whitehouse, at least i know who they are!!!!! lol

Comment by hill2012 | 2008-08-04 01:13:28

White House

 
 
 

Comment by s. hall | 2008-08-04 01:39:45

carol — Damn Right — Obama the Uniter has destroyed the Democratic Party because of his own jealousy and greed. Oh the stories Bill Clinton could tell and will as soon as Obama loses. In the end Obama who has dissed every constituancy in the Democratic Party will end up alone. Success has 1,00 fathers — failure stands alone.

 

Comment by MaryPat | 2008-08-04 02:09:02

Bill should consider himself lucky. At least there is dignity in being shunned; there is none in being used to advance the Barackification of America. Obama is a user. Unless you can do something for him, it’s under the bus. Even the previously worshipful press is beginning to catch on to the games he plays. The One gets mad AND gets even.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=22bce6f2-d835-4bd6-96c5-6b1da0b334dd

 
 

Comment by carol | 2008-08-03 19:10:30

This just keeps Bill from hurting BO’s feelings when the big D tells BO to fuck off.

 

Comment by Paul F. Villarreal | 2008-08-03 19:30:07

Anyone relying on Kerry to do anything is a fool. That guy constantly puts his foot in his mouth and hopefully O’Reilly can defeat or at least weaken him in the primary.

New video promoting Jerome Corsi’s fresh-off-the-presses book “The Obama Nation” detailing the rise to power of the would-be Messiah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beUF_86QOCA

Comment by stateofdisbelief | 2008-08-03 20:10:44

Boy…Oblahma really knows who to hang with. Check out John “Keg party” Kerry and his frat girls. Don’t miss the penis straw.

http://www.tmz.com/2008/07/29/john-kerry-for-party-president/

And by the way…maybe Oblahma is a jinx. First Kennedy, then Russert, Novak and now Bernie Mac. I guess this is a glimpse of what the country can expect to happen with bobobo in the White House.

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx/?news=325458&GT1=28103

Comment by kat in your hat | 2008-08-03 21:11:06

Huh? What’s wrong with Bernie Mac?

Comment by street_parade | 2008-08-04 00:48:51

Hospitalized with pneumonia.

I’d send flowers, but us ‘hoes are cheap and can’t be bothered.

Get well sometime, Bernie.

 
 

Comment by Uppity Woman | 2008-08-03 21:39:53

The thing is,with teddy out of commission, there are all these extra groupie girls the Horse Face can bonk now.

 
 
 

Comment by Susan Nunes | 2008-08-03 21:55:50

Wes Clark was nothing but a joke of a candidate and a rotten campaigner to boot.

 
 

Comment by AngryWhitePerson | 2008-08-03 18:39:42

I am glad he hasn’t reached out. Bill Clinton doesn’t need to be contaminated by a disturbing piece of filth posing as a poltical messiah. It is the correct and graceful thing to do of course, to ask a two-term president for assistance and guidance. But fuck that. Fuck Obama and his two-timing, ill conceived ways. I personally want both Clintons to stay the hell away from Obama and his toxic garbage.

Comment by scott in jupiter | 2008-08-03 18:51:30

Maybe it has something to do with the “kiss my ass” statement.

After all they don’t need us why would they need the big dawg.

Comment by stateofdisbelief | 2008-08-03 19:17:16

I long for the moment after BO’s candidacy goes down in flames when Big Dawg gives the Clinton shrug>>> with a wink to us PUMAs.

 
 

Comment by simanov | 2008-08-03 18:55:25

“Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I’ve ever seen,”

Boy was he right.

Comment by beebop | 2008-08-03 20:41:16

Yeah. Grimm. Really Grimm …. :(

 
 

Comment by catherine | 2008-08-03 19:09:55

X2!

PUMA!!!!

 

Comment by Hillary'sSimplytheBest | 2008-08-03 19:26:36

I personally want both Clintons to stay the hell away from Obama and his toxic garbage.

I agree 100%…

He doesn’t deserve the Clinton’s help!!

Comment by nobamaever09 | 2008-08-05 13:31:42

You are right, and We all know, tha Clintons are doing what is wright , and they are not done. Obama mess with wrong people.
Bill and Hillary, I am just hoping, that You wont become one of those liars in DNC. Dont let them run You around their finger!!!!

 
 

Comment by sowsear | 2008-08-03 20:30:03

Gore didn’t want Bill’s help either. Worked for him!

Comment by lisadawn82 | 2008-08-03 21:28:39

I think that was Donna Brazille’s doing. Looks like she giving out the same bad advice - Stay away from Bill.

 
 

Comment by JoseyJ | 2008-08-03 21:12:59

It was so sad tonight seeing Bill Clinton on TV saying he’s not a racist.
NObama!

Comment by Lou | 2008-08-03 22:11:42

Big Dawg is in Africa where he goes every summer to help the Blacks dying of AIDS. Chelsea is with him. Is that racist?
He raises funds to help and then personally shows up in Africa to check on the progress…LEAVE BIG DAWG ALONE. He only got a blow job from a sexy intern. He didn’t have a secret partner mistress on the side that he pays $15,000/mo. for child support.
Obama and his campaign CROSSED THE LINE. They drug Big Dawgs wife and their stellar reputation through hell with lies and filth.
Big Dawg needs to tell Obama to blow hinself.

 

Comment by elise | 2008-08-04 05:48:01

What is really so sad is that, with his history with AAs, he should feel the need to say anything. There has been too much fall out and too many hurt by BOs willingness to use race baiting to win a campaign, but he couldn’t have all that community loving and supporting the Clintons and have a hope of winning the nomination. He is dispicable because he is really offering them nothing in return. The Clintons were true friends.

 
 

Comment by iam0nly1 | 2008-08-04 07:19:10

This quote from Bill in the Washington Post piece stood out to me:

“Next year, you and I and everybody else will be freer and have more space to say what we believe to be the truth” about the primaries, he said.

Seems Bill is predicting defeat for Obama, in such a climate everyone would be free to discuss openly what happened during the primaries, how it was unfair and resulted in the weaker candidate being selected.

 
 

Comment by tek | 2008-08-03 18:40:30

Obama can hardly turn to Bill now that he’s framed Bill as a terrible president who brought no change to America. His best bet for help from a president is to call Ronald Reagan, but…

Comment by elise | 2008-08-04 05:49:38

Maybe they can hold a seance and channel Ronnie.

 
 

Comment by tek | 2008-08-03 18:40:30

Obama can hardly turn to Bill now that he’s framed Bill as a terrible president who brought no change to America. His best bet for help from a president is to call Ronald Reagan, but…

Comment by scorbs | 2008-08-03 19:41:59

I thought Obama was the future; why are we talking about figures from the 1980s, and 1960s??

 
 

Comment by helen | 2008-08-03 18:41:16

Over a confluence a young 18 year old wrote an beautiful piece on Bill Clinton.
This young lady gives me hope for the future.

Backtrack barak is so afraid of Bill Clinton that he would break all speed records running away from any kind of gathering.
Look at the difference one is brillant and loves this country.
The other is a chicago shill with an inflated ego.

COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS AND BUBBAS RULE

Comment by katmandu | 2008-08-03 19:03:41

Yes, Obama is afraid of Bill Clinton. Afraid of his intelligence and wisdom. Bill Clinton, despite his big weakness, has it together. He understands complex problems and how to solve them. He has an overall vision, and believes in it. And he really cares about people (as does Hillary).

Bill Clinton, like Obama, has always been running for president. But why did I (and still do) trust Clinton to manage, but not Obama? I think it is because I saw Obama do really dishonest things, like pretend to be religious and attach on to a religion for political purposes. It is so clear he shopped around Chicago for a church not out of love of God but for a way to get ahead. And all of his switching now is just part of the whole game of fakery. You know who else was like Obama? Both Bushes. Both had no vision other than they wanted to be president.

Comment by Lizzy | 2008-08-03 19:30:01

I think that Obama is more like Bush than McCain is. He has no ethics and no program.

Comment by Uppity Woman | 2008-08-03 21:41:18

…and no morals.

…and no soul.

Comment by beebop | 2008-08-04 06:21:27

nor platform …

nor principles …

nor plan for America’s betterment — just his own.

 
 
 
 

Comment by GrapeApe | 2008-08-04 00:29:18

Yes, it was a well-written piece. One has to wonder what she drew from since she was 2 years old when BC entered the WH, and 10 when he left. It’s hard to find the credibility behind it based on her age range during the time she says she so vividly recalls, though it was a good essay.

Comment by elise | 2008-08-04 05:56:39

It’s not difficult to make up your mind about the past if you have a point of reference. My daughter is a huge fan of the Beatles. They had stopped recording together before her second birthday. When she was twleve, I gave her all my old albums (she still has them)and she judged them on the body of work. Their music. Bill Clinton will stand with the great presidents and there is nothing anyone can do to change that legacy.

 
 
 

Comment by Warrior of God | 2008-08-03 18:42:44

In our view, it is better for the Clintons to stay out of the limelight. Hillary has too much class and Bill is too bossy. Obama should continue to do what he is doing- absolutely nothing! I believe this error of his in letting the full delegate count of Florida and Michigan might back fire- unless he has already spoken to the Clintons about it and Hillary has secretly decided to leave her name off the ballot. We hope not…..since so many supporters are still wishing for a miracle at the convention, but, unity is what I believe they have bought into from looking at the situation. She caved in to the absence of her name ON THE BALLOT and he will pay her debt and they both will unite the party—YEAH—RIGHT—SOME PIPE DREAM! Hillary- don’t do it!!!

Comment by Katmoon | 2008-08-03 19:29:02

I agree, yes indeed. Let Obama continue to sink his own ship, and it’s sinking. Bill has the ability and smarts to patch it up and keep on moving; Hillary has the ability to reshape the ship into a new one, all Obama has with his party of pirates is a bucket full of holes, as he tries to bail his way out of each and every lie that is weighing that campaign vessel down. I won’t vote democrat no matter what. Hillary is smarter than that, she wants to run in 2012, she won’t soil herself by being any part of this O ticket.

Comment by Liberty Belle_never4Obama | 2008-08-03 19:46:00

Katmoon - great ship and pirate analogy! Ship ahoy, maties.

I’m praying for miracles.

Comment by Katmoon | 2008-08-03 19:49:50

Thanks Liberty. A lot of prayers here too.
Country first.

 

Comment by Dr. bobbi Anne White | 2008-08-04 20:18:27

when is techdude going to release the name of the person who’s birth certificate was used as Barry’s? someone larry claims is very well known.

 
 

Comment by s. hall | 2008-08-04 01:53:43

katmoon - Obama is so full of hate which is not surprising as his pals and his wife are filled with hate too. To those fat cats who gave Obama tons of money — you backed a loser. One minute he is The Second Coming, the next he is the victim of racism and everyone is out to get him. For a while we thought you were interesting and now we know you’re just irritating. So we PUMA’s are in good company–joining us under the bus is Bill Clinton and there is no one I would rather be under that bus with.

 
 
 

Comment by HARP | 2008-08-03 18:43:30

What we could have had.

On Sunday, April 25, 1999, the President Clinton and the DLC hosted a historic roundtable discussion, The Third Way: Progressive Governance for the 21st Century, with five world leaders including British PM Tony Blair, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, Dutch PM Wim Kok, and Italian PM Massimo D’Alema, the First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton and DLC President Al From

The Third Way philosophy seeks to adapt enduring progressive values to the new challenges of he information age. It rests on three cornerstones: the idea that government should promote equal opportunity for all while granting special privilege for none; an ethic of mutual responsibility that equally rejects the politics of entitlement and the politics of social abandonment; and, a new approach to governing that empowers citizens to act for themselves.

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=128&subid=187&contentid=895

Comment by BobBlackman | 2008-08-03 19:24:16

Sounds more like new world order

Comment by Katmoon | 2008-08-03 19:50:35

 

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-03 20:02:26

Why don’t you go back to your Mommy’s cellar to your special crying room, obamatron 4 of 356?

 

Comment by Donkey Brazziere | 2008-08-03 20:12:43

Donkey kick for Bah-buh.

Comment by hill2012 | 2008-08-04 01:22:09

Donkey kick for uh ba=bye

 
 

Comment by Lou | 2008-08-03 22:19:51

You have no idea what you are saying or what new world order is.

 
 
 

Comment by jadwiga | 2008-08-03 18:44:03

Obama and the Party leadership doesn’t need the Clintons. Or so they think.
Obama as well as Dean, Pelosi, Brazile are still convinced that the lousy poll numbers are there only because the pollsters can’t call the young Obama supporters on their cell phones. They think, the youth will come out in masses to vote for Obama and they will turn around the whole election.
They don’t seem to realize that the initial enthusiasm has cooled a lot because Obama’s flip-flop on their most important issues. They will come out to vote - most likely - just like any other time. Maybe a little more, but not like an earthquake as they expect it.
No matter what we do, Dean will try to turn the Convention in Obama’s favor. He may or may not succede.
If Hillary doesn’t become the nominee, the delusional Party leadership and Obama will harvest a 50 state loss.

Comment by cleffnote | 2008-08-03 19:23:02

Actually, they haven’t been reading the fine print of the pollsters. They are call cellphones.

 

Comment by Hillary'sSimplytheBest | 2008-08-03 19:55:59

No doubt a landslide defeat is come Obummers way.

Hillary warned them, but they were too drunk with power and delusions of grandeur.

 

Comment by Lou | 2008-08-03 22:22:31

All the cities across America should hold a free youth kegger to be held all night long so they kids will sleep through election day.

 
 

Comment by AF catfish | 2008-08-03 18:46:37

I bet Obama never tried to apologize to Bill for the race-baiting. Just expected BC to come crawling to The One.

Comment by stateofdisbelief | 2008-08-03 21:01:46

Speaking of Oblahma playing the race card, there is an excellent post at http://www.liberalrapture.com/ -

You’ll have to scroll down a few posts because I couldn’t get a link directly to it. Look for the title “Race Rant” from July 31, 2008. You’ll be rolling on the floor by the end. It’s a good one.

 
 

Comment by ihateobamadrama | 2008-08-03 18:47:05

just heard that now obama has written a letter to the dnc to have the florida and michigan delegations to get full votes……well how fucking nice of him now, after he screwed hillary out of them ! this ass has no scruples, no shame and will do anything in a desperate attempt to win….no deal. what a piece of shit……

Comment by AF catfish | 2008-08-03 19:04:53

Is he going to give back all those unearned MI delegates too? Hillary could have pandered to Iowa by removing her name from the MI ballot. If Obama lost Iowa, it would have been a whole different race.

Comment by BobBlackman | 2008-08-03 19:29:57

Agreed, but he WON. It is also funny that she did not remove her name from the ballot because “she was too late”. As for party unity Larry - I hear the Rethugs are having a bit more of a problem with McSame than Democrats are having with Obama. Maybe you can tell us more - after all you are a Republican.

Comment by cdo | 2008-08-03 19:35:11

uh, Hillary never intended to remove her name from any state’s ballots.
Barak was too late to remove his name from the Florida ballot.
Dude this stuff didn’t happen all that long ago, maybe you should see a doctor about that short term memory problem.

Comment by democracyfirst | 2008-08-03 19:58:25

Right. Hillary wasn’t too late to remove her name from the ballot - she was too smart.
Once again, she had better judgement than Obama. Because of his poor judgement, he had to steal the delegates.

 

Comment by elise | 2008-08-04 06:09:28

We need to start a petition to bring Ted the Terrible back, we at least deserve a first rate jerk.

 
 

Comment by Postmaster | 2008-08-03 19:44:55

This republican doesn’t have a problem with McCain, but I damn sure have a problem with the way Hillary was screwed over by Obama and his low-life people.

 

Comment by RepublicanChick | 2008-08-03 19:48:00

There was a poll posted a few days ago here that stated otherwise. My problem with McCain isn’t going to keep me from voting for him in November. After all, the Democratic alternative is atrocious.

Comment by Uppity Woman | 2008-08-03 21:43:48

I agree Chick. Whatever his warts, McCain is not Barack Obama and that’s all I need to know.

 

Comment by s. hall | 2008-08-04 02:03:11

Republican Chick ^5

 
 

Comment by Katmoon | 2008-08-03 19:52:09

The only thing he will win is best supporting actor in the role of a presidential candidate.

Comment by beebop | 2008-08-04 06:27:04

I’m not sure he could win that. Harrison Ford does a nice job … Not to mention Martin Sheen.

 
 

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-03 19:53:49

You mean he rigged it. He won nothing. This was a setup.

 

Comment by Obama is a bum | 2008-08-03 20:00:29

Life is tough when you have to try and prop up Obighead. You have to check in with your superiors every hour to find out what your messiah’s new position is. Don’t you need to go out and inflate your tires?

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-03 20:05:31

Obighead, obighead!!!?

ROFLMAO!!

Comment by Uppity Woman | 2008-08-03 21:44:40

 
 
 

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-03 20:04:23

It was rigged. He won nothing. Try again, obamatron.

 

Comment by hank48188 | 2008-08-03 20:26:02

I think you need a Wake up Call. Those people are not going to sit home and NOT VOTE, they might not like Mac all that much but thay are frightened by what Obama represents. They will turn out in droves to vote AGAINST OBAMA.

 

Comment by stodghie | 2008-08-03 20:33:11

fool, poll numbers say you are a liar.

 

Comment by Lou | 2008-08-03 22:26:26

Bob-he did not win. He lost. He stopped the FL & MI delegate count which would have made Hillary the nominee if there was a full count. Now that he is the presumptive nominee by stopping the FL & MI delegate count, he suddenly wants to seat them in full and count them all now?…and we are supposed to vote for this jackass???
Fook NO!

 
 
 
 

Comment by Mel | 2008-08-03 18:47:31

Purposely it is unlikely Clinton wants anything to do with Obama. Bill got more favorable press this week in Africa than Bambi got at home, and repairing an image almost destroyed by a race baiting candidate has begun.

Meanwhile Bambi keeps sinking, great!

Then on Aug 28th, Bambi wants to take the stage in front of 75,000 people on the anniversary of MLK’s “I have a Dream” speech to proclaim MLK’s dream has been met, thus destroying all MLK’s work and words.

In one single sentence “be judged not by the color of my skin but by my character” Obama has destroyed every civil rights person especially MLK and MLK’s legacy.

Would MLK approve of Obama if he was alive, definately not, because if he did, he’d have proven himself a fraud. MLK lived in Chicago slums, Obama profited from them. MLK marched and lead for reforms, Obama used community organizing for his own advancement.

So on August 28th when Obama mentions the name Martin Luther King in his speech, Obama is making history in defaming one of the most important civil rights leaders in American history, just as Obama has defamed one of America’s most historic Presidents in Bill Clinton, solely for Obama’s personal gains!

Comment by Hillary'sSimplytheBest | 2008-08-03 19:40:28

So on August 28th when Obama mentions the name Martin Luther King in his speech, Obama is making history in defaming one of the most important civil rights leaders in American history, just as Obama has defamed one of America’s most historic Presidents in Bill Clinton, solely for Obama’s personal gains!

It’s disgusting to say the least. O’posuer will do anything, he has no principles!

 

Comment by IndayHill | 2008-08-03 21:49:23

It will not be surprising to see the likes of the “gangsta rappers”, favorites of BHO, to be the “baits” for the people to come & listen to the master “gangsta” . Isn’t that what made those Berliners did to get to a free concert,provided you “faint” for BHO ?
Nothing to do on a nice day but have a good time.NOOBAMA!
Hillary or McCain ‘08

 

Comment by Lou | 2008-08-03 22:28:21

Jesse Jackson is ashamed of Obama.

 
 

Comment by Lil' Mike | 2008-08-03 18:47:51

I love that WaPo is telling me that Bill Clinton has to be “rehabillitated.” This from a paper that sold us George Bush and the Iraq War.

Bill Clinton is loved throughout the world and will still be loved when people are asking, “Barack who?” (That should be about this time next year.)

The story says it all. Clinton out actually working to make people’s lives better while Obama prances around the world telling everyone that they are racists if they disagree with him.

Comment by dee5hill | 2008-08-03 19:23:53

You took the words right out of my mouth. Bill Clinton has done more for Obama’s OWN PEOPLE than that scum bag has or ever will. Right now, there are 2 sets of Dems - one set is the kool-aid drinking, snotty-nosed college kids and their professors and the other set is EVERYONE ELSE in the country that is devoted to Bill and Hillary.

Let them revel in their temporary glory - this time next year, Bill Clinton will STILL be the most beloved President in history and Hillary will either be our 44th President or planning on defeating the GOP in ‘12.

Barack who??? Right on!!!

Hillary or McCain ‘08!!!

Comment by James | 2008-08-03 19:43:27

I don’t believe you have a truly accurate understanding of the Obama demographic. The attendees at his small-town campaign rallies during the primaries campaign were pretty much a cross-section, including both white collar and blue collar, all races, and all ages. The perception that he’s supported mostly by kids has more to do with their high visibility–although it’s probably fair to say that Obama is a lot more popular with young voters than John McCain.

While it’s perfectly legitimate to criticize young voters for what you apparently see as too much enthusiasm paired with a lack of good judgement, I think it’s a serious error to insult them, particularly when referencing your support of Hillary Clinton in the same post. Hillary Clinton might want the support of those same people someday. Someday might come sooner than anyone expects.

I’m suggesting this as a democrat, not just as a current Obama supporter.

Comment by Katmoon | 2008-08-03 19:54:09

You are telling posters what is and isn’t legitimate to criticize? Wow, stunning.

Comment by James | 2008-08-03 20:30:43

Maybe “legitimate” was a poor choice of words. But I stand by my point: There’s nothing wrong with criticizing the judgement of a specific group of democrats who don’t agree with you, but it’s a serious mistake to insult them, and do it in conjunction with a pro-Clinton message.

Aside from a fundamental disagreement about the character of Barack Obama, there’s a very thin line separating most Clinton and Obama supporters. A party divided against itself doesn’t stand much chance of electing either one. That might seem good to you at the moment, since all you seem to care about is destroying Barack Obama, but it wouldn’t seem so good if you suddenly found Hillary Clinton’s name on the ballot. Nor would it seem so good if you alienate people against Clinton who’s support you might want in 2012.

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-03 20:54:54

There is no thin line–it is a chasm. HRC is a woman of her word; Oblowme is a manipulative liar of the worst sort. His resume is razor thin and his arrogance, second only to Dick Cheney’s. His judgment is questionable and competence lacking. HRC is just the opposite.

I don’t care what you Oblockhead supporters think because you have nothing of substance to offer. You aren’t democrats; we are. I have been in the party since before the bicentennial. I know democrats and you and Barky ain’t.

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-03 20:57:00

Pardon me, that should read “I was a democrat” I left the party out of protest.

 

Comment by James | 2008-08-03 21:23:38

Right. Half of the party are complete idiot