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Hillary Still Trumps Obama on Leadership

As we have been hearing frightening reports of Russia’s actions against South Ossenia and beyond in Georgia, you might be interested to read this statement issued by Senator Hillary Clinton on Georgia and Ukraine on April 18, 2008:

I am deeply disturbed by the latest Russian actions regarding Georgia, and Russia’s broader policies towards its neighbors.

Several weeks ago I called on NATO to extend a Membership Action Plan (MAP) to Georgia and Ukraine at the Bucharest Summit. I emphasized that this move would be a litmus test for the success of President Bush’s leadership of the trans-Atlantic community. My support for MAP was based on the need to send a positive signal to Tbilisi and Kyiv to encourage them to stay on track with their positive reforms as well as to send a signal of our concern to Moscow about the future security of these countries.

I deeply regret President Bush’s inability to convince our NATO allies to take this action. This is the first time in memory a U.S. President has traveled to a NATO summit and failed to achieve his publicly proclaimed goals.

Now the Russian government has taken advantage of the lack of unity coming out of the Bucharest Summit to further ratchet up the pressure on young democracies on its borders. Moscow’s actions this week to strengthen ties with the separatist regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia undermine the territorial integrity of the state of Georgia and are clearly designed to destabilize the government of President Mikheil Saakashvili.

Georgia is a small democratic state in a turbulent region. It must not be allowed to be undermined. Two weeks ago President Bush sat with President Putin in Sochi just a few kilometers away from the Georgian border. He prided himself on his close working relationship with Vladimir Putin. President Bush should call on the Russian leadership to immediately rescind these steps.

I also call on President Bush to immediately send a senior representative to Tbilisi to show our support for the government of Georgia. The United States should raise this matter in the United Nations Security Council, in a special 26+1 session of NATO’s North Atlantic Council (NAC), and in the NATO-Russia Council. Russia needs to hear a unified message from the United States and our European partners about our shared commitment to Georgia’s security and territorial integrity.

These are not the only Russian moves that I have found troubling. Senior Russian officials have engaged in a pressure campaign to prevent Ukraine from seeking deeper ties with NATO. President Putin even raised the prospect of retargeting nuclear missiles against Ukraine.

I am not advocating, nor do I envisage, a return to a new Cold War with Russia, which I believe ought to remain in the G-8, where the United States and its allies can together address our growing list of concerns with Moscow. But the current Administration’ s mishandling of Russian relations has contributed to Moscow’s belief that it can do as it pleases. America and its allies can and must do better.

Since Hillary is no longer ‘in the race,’ not wishing to upstage Senator Obama, I believe, she did not issue any further statement over the weekend, although clearly she has a deep understanding of this crisis and our role here. As reported previously, Senator McCain was also touted as a having a 3 A.M. moment on this issue.

In stark contrast, here was the ‘Statement from Senator Obama, on the Grave Situation in Georgia’ on his way to his Hawaiian vacation on August 8th:

“I strongly condemn the outbreak of violence in Georgia, and urge an immediate end to armed conflict. Now is the time for Georgia and Russia to show restraint, and to avoid an escalation to full scale war. Georgia’s territorial integrity must be respected. All sides should enter into direct talks on behalf of stability in Georgia, and the United States, the United Nations Security Council, and the international community should fully support a peaceful resolution to this crisis.”

I will point out that upon checking Senator Obama’s website just now, he has issued two subsequent statements after the one above, one that came on August 9th and one on the 11th — each of which, respectively, was longer and more detailed than the last and perhaps, more reflective of copying Senator McCain’s homework on the subject.

Hey, take a mulligan, Senator Obama – keep floating those statements till one clicks with the appropriate gravitas.

As you can see, Hillary required no such tutoring, but exhibited a very clear, detailed grasp of the crisis, well before it reached the boiling point, when she urged President Bush to act.

Here is the opening phrase of yesterday’s missive from Senator Obama:

The situation in Georgia continues to deteriorate because of the escalation of Russia’s use of military force. I have spoken to President Saakashvili, and conveyed my deep regret over the loss of life, and the suffering of the people of Georgia.

Why Obama would be calling President Saakashvili, I have no idea. Who is he? He is not yet the official Democratic nominee, never mind that he is not the President. A mere technicality, I suppose.

Between Senators Clinton and Obama, it is eminently clear who has a far stronger grasp of foreign policy issues and certainly on the economy, she is hands and feet above a man who does not even understand what a capital gains tax is – nor could he explain it when he was questioned by Charles Gibson during the ABC debate before the Pennsylvania primary.

Who is the DNC planning on coronating, er, nominating, again?

The San Francisco Chronicle’s top story, that Clinton Supporters are pushing to get her name into nomination, reports how diligently the Obama camp is working to block such a thing from happening:

“It’s a simple thing to do, and it’s the biggest sign of party unity,” said Laura Spanjian, a San Francisco-based Clinton delegate, who also supports the move.”

Clay Dougherty, another San Francisco delegate for Clinton, says that “if the situation were reversed, the Obama people would feel the same.”

Let’s imagine if the situation were reversed. Since Obama has asked that the FL and MI delegates be seated in full now, the magic number has reverted to the correct 2210. He does not possess that number. If Hillary did not have enough pledged delegates to seal the nomination — or super delegates for that matter, imagine if Hillary tried to prevent a roll call that would honor Barack’s historic candidacy. There would be hell to pay. And she would be paying it daily. Such behavior on her part would not be tolerated.

For the first time in a generation, it’s been a close election … and this was such a unique situation,” he said, in which both the first major African American presidential candidate competed with the first major female presidential candidate. “We need to honor both candidates,” he said.

And many Democrats suggest that the move to accommodate her supporters may be politically smart…

[Texas Delegate Garry] Mauro insisted that since it was such a closely contested election, he is mystified as to why the Obama campaign is resisting and even balking at a roll call vote, according to some reports.

Are these folks so new to politics, are they so arrogant that they think he’s different from every other nominee we’ve ever had?” he asks.

I guess I don’t need to answer Garry’s question.

Serrano Sewell even stated, in an attempt to assuage any worry on the part of the Obama camp, there is no connection between Hillary’s delegates and PUMA:

“We’re not trying to drag Obama down,” he said. “We’re Democrats. We’re precinct captains. We’re fundraisers. We’re the kind of Democrats Obama will need to win in November.”

Similar to Senator Obama’s lack of detailed understanding of foreign policy, so, too, his arrogance and political shortsightedness is clearly in evidence in preventing a roll call vote for Senator Clinton. Or shall I say, his fear is showing.

Again, this is not indicative of good leadership, of putting the country or the Party’s interests before his own.

A true leader would not wish to treat 18,000,000 voters and 1918 delegates disrespectfully. If, as Michelle Obama says, he is going to ‘heal our broken souls,’ how does he intend to do that by throwing millions under the bus in another show of pettiness, bullying and arrogance?

Regarding the current acts of Russian aggression, a true leader, as he claims to be, looking to demonstrate his readiness for the toughest job in the world, might stop to do his homework before realizing that the first “essay” he handed in was rather flimsy.

I know I am not wrong in wanting the truly qualified candidate to be our nominee. The one who needs no tutoring. Certainly, Hillary Clinton would know better than to do what Senator Obama did yesterday: indicate he would be announcing his pick for Vice President via text message. Some traditions do need to be adhered to. The world is watching.

Senator Obama’s action do not indicate respect – either for his V.P. choice, or for us.

That is not healing.

That does not indicate political knowledge, maturity or gravitas.

Lastly, that is certainly not good leadership.

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Comment by Kelvin | 2008-08-12 14:28:48

At least he has a chance to lead, unlike Hillary.

Comment by angie | 2008-08-12 14:42:44

Yeah — unlike Hillary was has been LEADING for the last 30 years, starting with the Children’s Defense Fund & now as a NY Senator. Obama, after wasting every chance he ever had to lead now has yet another ‘chance to lead.” Unfortunately for America, if elected he will soon grow bored with the job too, like he has all his others.

Comment by nancysabet | 2008-08-12 14:51:34

She is a true leader and inspiration. That is why her supporters are fighting all the way to the convention. here are the latest articles today:

Clinton Watch: The buzz continues around The Atlantic magazine’s newly released article that further exposes the deep divisions within the senator’s presidential campaign. (The memos alone are worth a read.)
But in the present tense, delegate rumbles can be heard out in the country, as we head toward the Democrats’ convention. The Denver Post chronicles the upset of one Clinton loyalist in the Colorado party, and The Hill newspaper as well as the San Francisco Chronicle also glanced at what some of those Hillary delegates are planning in the coming weeks.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/12/MN8D128VO8.DTL

Plans for Clinton convention rallies intensify
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/plans-for-clinton-convention-rallies-intensify-2008-08-10.html

Explain, Dems tell Clinton delegate
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_10170139

 
 

Comment by Joseyj | 2008-08-12 14:44:51

But the problem is - after campaigning for 1 1/2 years, the public still doesn’t know where Obama would lead us!
Scary!

Dems for McCain - NO Hussein!

Comment by roseeriter | 2008-08-12 15:28:56

Obama’s all over the map-literally- he goes the way of the wind like a fart in a blizzard.

He is not POTUS material. Period.

 
 

Comment by Ana | 2008-08-12 14:45:29

He has no chance!

 

Comment by destardi | 2008-08-12 15:49:32

yea, leading by voting for bush policies; see “dick cheney’s energy policy”, “retro FISA immunity”, and “off shore drilling”.

Who’s the leader? Hillary.

obama can’t lead his way out of a paper bag.

 

Comment by Hawaiian Leader | 2008-08-13 19:15:04

Yah KEVIN, sure!

Obamarama is ready to lead….THE IDIOT BUSH-LITE BRIGADE! you’re damn rite, ObamaTroll!

 
 

Comment by Marissa | 2008-08-12 14:31:14

Good post. Those who are most likely to receive text messages are those who are less likely to vote. (The media is exempt from this.)

Is it me or is he NOT catering to the core voter base — those over 65?

 

Comment by IndyPUMA | 2008-08-12 14:33:31

Awesome.

I’ve been trying to get this narrative out.

Hello fellow PUMAs.

We finally have some momentum on our side wrt a blistering viral video campaign. One Theme: Obama Fails Commander In Chief test — 3am moment has come and gone, but Obama fails.

Please help us with scripts, resources, ideas or just simply passing the link along.

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=23287

It will take a couple days before GeekLove’s friend can begin the construction of the videos.

Once created and distributed to SDs, Media and Internet… This WILL HELP us change the game.

There is no way that all SDs will continue to push such a WEAK candidate.

I have faith. Do you?

Thanks.

Please help if you can. Because I’m a PUMA that wants Hillary as our nominee.

Comment by Joseyj | 2008-08-12 14:48:11

>>>>There is no way that all SDs will continue to push such a WEAK candidate

No way?!? after Obama bought the SDs?
iirc - Obama donated about $800K to SDS - while Hillary donated about $200K.

 

Comment by tzada | 2008-08-12 15:47:25

Yes and look at the Democratic convention chief…
Let me present Rev Wright in a skirt… Reparations anyone? ummmmm not you and you and me, but ALL blacks. Wonder how much Meeeeeeshall and the girls will get? Gotta dilute Barkys share down to like 12%?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72149

 

Comment by tzada | 2008-08-12 16:08:32

Michelle is one of his downfalls….. I think she should be highlighted too as she is to speak. Get her ticked off and she will talk and talk and her eyes will get hard and her true “spirits” will shine. The below picture was taken at a Arab dinner. They were sitting with Edward Siad.

http://obamawho.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/barackobamaedwardsaid2.jpg

Mutual respect? They look more like they want to tear each others head off.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Mutual_respect_-_Barack_and_Michelle_Obama.jpg/800px-Mutual_respect_-_Barack_and_Michelle_Obama.jpg

Then Michelle has this to say…

“Barack is one of the smartest people you will ever encounter who will deign to enter this messy thing called politics.”
http://www.mikefrancesa.com/wordpress/?p=778

Hope they do bring her out to speak. Hope Hillary calls her supporters to call for her nomination. That would put a sock in someones eye eh?

 
 

Comment by National Security Advisor Michael Moore | 2008-08-12 14:34:19

Obama is right. Both sides need to come to a mutual cease fire NOW!

Southern Ossenia should be allowed to be it’s own nation.

The United States needs to be more considerate of Russia. Russia was wrong to attack Georgia, but
Georgia needs to respect Russia. Russia is right to not trust the United States and Russia has a right to be free from foreign interference.
However, Russia should pull out of Georgia now and Georgia should apologize for making this mess.

Comment by beverly leslie | 2008-08-12 14:38:49

Wow your post sounds like a person with multiple personality disorder. Should I fetch your meds?

 

Comment by WildChild | 2008-08-12 14:41:40

who should get the gift basket?

Comment by National Security Advisor Michael Moore | 2008-08-12 14:44:50

Will Mikhail saakashvili stop playing the race card and making Obama look bad. Obama knows national security. We can trust him on national security.
I am ashamed that John McCain, George Bush, and Mikhail saakashvili have conspired to make Obama look bad. Georgia’s military actions against Russia are clearly election year ploys to make Democrats look bad.

Comment by RepublicanChick | 2008-08-12 14:47:39

I can hardly contain my excitement for hugging our way through diplomatic hotspots. We can look forward to memorizing Kumbayah as a national anthem.

What joy to be had by all!

/sarcasm

Comment by National Security Advisor Michael Moore | 2008-08-12 14:48:47

A Republican woman?!? Why would any woman support the anti-abortion party?
You really should be with the Democrats.

Comment by RepublicanChick | 2008-08-12 14:50:50

Hey I support gastric bypass surgery for documentary filmmakers too, but no one in Washington DC wants to pay for it.

Where’s the justice in that?

Comment by missE | 2008-08-12 14:55:17

Beach volleyball ass slap to ya RepublicanChick for that great spike!

 
 

Comment by Ana | 2008-08-12 14:53:22

Why would any woman support the sexist democratic party? Shame on repubs and Shame on you!

 
 
 

Comment by WildChild | 2008-08-12 14:50:53

I guess it would be tough to decide who gets the gift basket when you think the world is conspiring against you LOL.

 

Comment by brodie | 2008-08-12 15:01:40

OMG- I hope to hell that you are NOT any kind of “National Security Advisor” as you clearly don’t get it. Oh, btw- we’re so sorry that everyone conspired to make poor baby Barry look bad- AS IF!
IMO he doesn’t need anyone’s help to do that- all he has to do is open his mouth. And how did you manage to make this be yet another “rascist” attack upon the golden child? Don’t flatter yourself- none of us care that much and I don’t think the rest of the world does, either.

 

Comment by PSP | 2008-08-12 15:04:41

McCain, Bush and Saakashvili have not conspired make Obama look bad. They don’t need too…he does that just fine on his own.

 

Comment by American Woman | 2008-08-12 18:05:45

Democrats don’t need any help in looking bad this year..the way they have treated the 18 millions supporters and the Clintons they are doing just fine on thier own..

PUMA

 
 
 

Comment by Phishmelt | 2008-08-12 14:47:46

Obama is right to say it should stop. Hillary was right before when she tried stopping it before it happened.

She was an ounce of prevention and he is trying to be the pound of cure.

 

Comment by roseeriter | 2008-08-12 15:32:20

Because the messiah says so??? Look we won’t even listen to him just because HE SAYS SO. How lame are you bots?? You can’t dictate your wishes without a physical plan. Oh wait you guys like Hopey Changey wispy dreams…

 

Comment by Hope is the last to die | 2008-08-12 16:22:47

How come Russia has the right to “free” South Ossetia after the way they’ve treated Chechnya and wanted to treat Kosovo?

I agree Russia has the right to defend their own sovereignty but so do other countries. Putin has been messing with so many elections and having people killed just to have pro-Russian governments placed in the surrounding countries. And the next thing you know, the free press goes missing and we’re fed with Putin’s propaganda.

It’s vital for politicians to realise the Russian state of mind. If you’re too soft or “understanding” you’re seen as weak. The US has to be hard on Putin, it’s absolutely essential. This is no time for hope-changey-lovey -politics.

 
 

Comment by beverly leslie | 2008-08-12 14:36:40

From Hillbuzz:

Ben Smith, crackerjack reporter and all around stud-muffin, over at Politico exhibited his usual “reporting” today and announced that the Obama/Soetoro campaign had yanked back the Convention’s Keynote Address from Hillary Clinton.

Now, the Obama/Soetoro campaign says Clinton will be only one of four people speaking on the 26th, and that someone else will instead be the Keynote Speaker.

We’ve said this before, but we’ll say this again: we honestly don’t believe the Obama/Soetoro campaign wants to actually win this election. Being magnaminous and giving Hillary Clinton the Convention’s Keynote Address was the right thing to do.

Giving it to her, then taking it back, only pisses people off all over again. It’s like someone wants to sabotage the Convention by getting everyone nice and angry before they get to Denver.

Comment by National Security Advisor Michael Moore | 2008-08-12 14:40:28

You and Mikhail Saakashvili need to stop playing the race card. The people will not stand for this.

Comment by roseeriter | 2008-08-12 15:35:17

Obama’s biggest backer Zbig wants a conflict between Russia and China. Go google Brezenenski

 
 

Comment by meileen | 2008-08-12 14:57:24

Thanks for this info.

Just more fodder to help with the anti-Obama resolve. Bastards. I swear, this guy and his entourage are the best thing to happen to John McCain.

 

Comment by jbjd | 2008-08-12 17:31:49

I always understood that HRC was not the keynote speaker at the convention, albeit an important presence. But maybe my understanding derives from this fact: I know that the word “keynote” is used with respect to speaking at the convention not merely as a general descriptor but as a term of art (meaning, a word that has a specific use or meaning in the particular subject area in which it is used).

 
 

Comment by missE | 2008-08-12 14:37:22

Ani, if the situation were reversed the screaming from Brazile, Sharpton, Jackson, Olbermann, Markos, Arianna, Martin et al would be deafening. They are all hypocrites.

As for the Georgia statement, it is yet another example of Senator Clinton being a leader everyday.

 

Comment by WildChild | 2008-08-12 14:38:07

As long as I get to blast trolls, I’ve had a good day.

Comment by roseeriter | 2008-08-12 15:36:29

LOL! There is a bit of pleasure there..bad me:-)

 
 

Comment by Freedom Fighter | 2008-08-12 14:43:57

So what does this mean? HRC and GWB’s speeches are interchangeable? Looks like the Russians and the Georgians have taken Senator Obama’s advice and stopped the cycle of violence. Americans are ready for change, not another third term of Bush in either Clinton or McCain.

Comment by National Security Advisor Michael Moore | 2008-08-12 14:46:05

Right on! Obama will be President!
Hitlery Kkklinton and John McKKKain will never be President!

Comment by MIDem | 2008-08-12 15:23:44

If I want to vote for Barry Soetoro
does that mean Barack Obama does not get my vote?

 

Comment by Katmoon | 2008-08-12 17:31:25

You’ve got covert action
prejudice to extremes
you’ve got primitive cunning
and high tech means
you’ve got eyes everywhere
but people see through you

 

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-12 17:36:07

And how old are you, little man?

 
 

Comment by WildChild | 2008-08-12 14:46:23

cycles of violence are generally called cycles because they keep repeating themselves.

 

Comment by Donna Brazile | 2008-08-12 14:48:49

Good try!

Freedom Fighter riddle me this:

If scientists say the sky is blue but Obama says the sky is pink, what color is the sky?

Stop the hate!

 

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-08-12 17:39:32

Free-dumb fighter: How on earth do you suppose Oblahblah could stop the fighting over there? Sweet-talk Putin? ROFL You obviously know nothing about Russians. The cycle of violence will stop when Putin says it does, unless someone with a backbone (not Obama) stares him down. You are such a twit.

 
 

Comment by SJ | 2008-08-12 14:45:28

Man announcing his pick of Vp by text messaging, how school yard like can you get, this is a campaign for teens am sure of it.

Lets play text the VP, wow this is sure a lovely indication as to the seriousness of this man if he happens to become president, text msg, ring tones, rap music, hip hop event yep we are surly in the age of mature politics

Comment by Boxer Mum 06 | 2008-08-12 15:37:01

Better idea, why not make it a true American Idol event and have 3 choices for his supporters (with a paid donation of course) text their pick.

Maybe the candidates can do some kind of debate or sing us a new Obama song or dance for votes.

The person with the most votes wins the VP selection!

Change we can believe in!

 
 

Comment by patsy | 2008-08-12 14:45:53

Wow the rally on CNN in TSibilli, the President just gave props to John Mccain in his speech on Mccain ensuring America’s support for Georgia.

Comment by National Security Advisor Michael Moore | 2008-08-12 14:47:30

Mikhail Saakashvili is in bed with Bush and McCain
and are trying to sway the election in McCains favor.
One has to wonder if Mikhail Saakashvili is a racist and or is getting kickbacks for his aggression against Russia.

Comment by Joseyj | 2008-08-12 14:53:31

You’re the one focused on racism!
Apparently Obama is your race-baiting mentor.

 

Comment by Observer | 2008-08-12 15:18:17

Gosh, what stupidity some Obamabots exhibit. Get back in bed with Obama and the Russian bear!

 
 
 

Comment by patsyakasoldier4hillary | 2008-08-12 14:48:05

They took away Senator Clintons chance to speak?

 

Comment by SJ | 2008-08-12 14:48:20

Georgians have taken Senator Obama’s advice and stopped the cycle of violence. lol lol

Now what in heavens name is this fool smoking am sure the Russian and the people of Georgia sure as hell don’t give a rats ass what Obama thinks far less have they taken his advice lol

Comment by National Security Advisor Michael Moore | 2008-08-12 14:50:52

Georgia should be ashamed for what they have done.
Russia did NOT attack them.
Georgia is to blame for all of this and Obama is, as usual, right yet again.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-08-12 14:53:02

so Georgia won’t be getting a gift basket then?

Comment by National Security Advisor Michael Moore | 2008-08-12 14:55:48

Stop that! Georgia was wrong to attack Russia
and you know that.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-08-12 14:58:53

well how are they going to know you still love them if they don’t get the gift basket?

 

Comment by RepublicanChick | 2008-08-12 15:01:15

WildChild:

Isn’t it obvious by now? Our “national security advisor aka Michael Moore” is angling to get the gift basket for himself.

Please make sure to include only Atkins friendly items in his gift basket. I worry about his health.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-08-12 15:05:52

I like Mike, but he should stick to making films. He needs a couple hours to make a point.

Comment by roseeriter | 2008-08-12 15:39:18

Michael Moore you need to get back on the midnight train to Georgia…

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by SJ | 2008-08-12 14:57:22

O please get over yourself, 100,000 people have been displaced, the place bombed to thy kingdom come, over 3000 dead, and you looking for pips for that idiot Obama.

Once again I do not think Russia or Puntin give a hoot as to what Obama thinks about this they will do as they please in that matter, let Obama keep swimming and going for long runs on the beach while the secret service jogs beside him, his days for playing president and soon coming to an end

Comment by RepublicanChick | 2008-08-12 15:04:26

please get over yourself

No offense SJ, but don’t you think that’s a hefty requirement for the national security advisor?

 
 
 
 

Comment by Ana | 2008-08-12 14:48:37

Awesome statement of Senator Hillary Clinton! She rocks! She’s intelligent and truly prescient!!! I love her!

 

Comment by BernieO | 2008-08-12 14:56:39

You have your facts mixed up. Georgia attacked South Ossetia, an area that they claim, but whose people are a different ethnic group with a different language. The South Ossetians have never wanted to part of Georgia and regard themselves as a separate nation and have functioned that way since the early 90’s even though they are not formally recognized by the international community. There has been a tense standoff between Georgia and South Ossetia since the early 90’s.
Georgia started the war by bombing the capital of South Ossetia, Tskhinvali, apparently in response to some provocations from the South Ossetians. Gerogia killed many civilians and some Russian peacekeepers. Russia supports South Ossetia, something the Georgians well know, but ignored. Russia responded with an attack of overwhelming force on Georgia, definitely an unwarranted overreaction designed to intimidate the entire region not just defend South Ossetia.

Why Bush did not warn Georgia not to stir up trouble in the region is disturbing, to say the least. Apparently the Georgians thought we would step in - as if that were possible as tied up as we are in Iraq and Afghanistan. They are reportedly disappointed with our reaction. Georgia studidly gave Putin the excuse he needed to push into the area.

This is a mess in which both sides are to blame. The neocons are comparing it to the Sudentenland, a not too subtle hint that we must not appease Russia like the west did with Hitler. What in the world do they think we c do,an even if we want to? Attack Russia? Where would we get the troops?

I rarely disagree with Hillary but on this one I think the South Ossetians should have the right to determine their own destiny and not be forced by the West to be a part of a country from which they have always wanted to be independent. What I can’t understand is why Georgia wants this area anyway. From what I read it has no resources. If they force these people to stay, Georgia will have to fight an ongoing insurgency for years to come, just like Iraq did with the Kurds, the British with Ireland, France with Vietnam, Spain still does with the Basques, etc. Seems like the sensible thing would be to recognize South Ossetian independence or form a loose federation with both South Ossetia and the other breakaway region Abkhazia, as many have urged in the past.

 

Comment by ZMG | 2008-08-12 15:00:23

Obama doesn’t seem to have any thought or any ideas of his own.. he always seems to take from others and make them into his own. He waited until Hillary and McCain made statements then remade his..not a very original kinda guy. But then again, he never lead anything anyways.(I mean beyond community action on a very small scale) Also, Chicago? Very Corrupt politics there.
Remember, during the debate in which Tim Russet (I think)ask who was the president of Russia and NObama look at Hillary…Ha HA.. I never laugh so hard. By the way, why did OB call the President of any country for anything. I thought you had to be the president (elected?!)

 

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2008-08-12 15:02:36

April 18, 2008???

Sorry Ani if some one up thread pointed this out…

:)

Comment by Ani | 2008-08-12 17:24:18

Yes, the statement was in April of 2008, I believe. Do you have other info?
Please let me know.

 
 

Comment by agent77 | 2008-08-12 15:04:25

News video of Colorado Democrats trying to strip Hill delegate of her credentials

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/call7investigators/17163668/detail.html

Lets send our Birth Certificate complaints to the Colorado Dems and then they will be forced to investigate…lets tell the local news station who aired the original story we are doing it too

Colorado Democratic Contact Link

http://coloradodems.org/component/option,com_philaform/Itemid,54/form_id,2/

News contact
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/contact7/index.html

OR call the station at

KMGH-TV
News Tips: (303) 832-7777 Assignment Desk: (303) 832-0162
News FAX: (303) 832-0119

 

Comment by agent77 | 2008-08-12 15:10:52

Republicans for Obama:

Former Rep Leach and former Sen. Chafee support Obama

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aH5Jv25YbDRc&refer=worldwide

 

Comment by Phishmelt | 2008-08-12 15:11:16

I’m sorry, did the michael moore troll just say the georgian president is getting his people killed on purpose so mccain can be president. Talk about lowering the bar on a rational discussion.

Guess Obama isn’t paying his bloggers enough these days.

 

Comment by Hillary'sSimplytheBest | 2008-08-12 15:14:06

Hillary Still Trumps Obama on Leadership

and she alway’s will …

The San Francisco Chronicle’s top story, that Clinton Supporters are pushing to get her name into nomination, reports how diligently the Obama camp is working to block such a thing from happening:

Sounds like they’re fearful of Hillary winning the nomination to me.

 

Comment by What Suddenly | 2008-08-12 15:14:57

Thanks Ani for posting Hillary’s statement from April. BHO did not have clue when he issued his first statement and he’s just copying McCain now. It was the 3am moment. We need Hillary back.

 

Comment by Faustina | 2008-08-12 15:15:44

“Why Obama would be calling President Saakashvili, I have no idea. Who is he? He is not yet the official Democratic nominee, never mind that he is not the President. A mere technicality, I suppose.”

I am a total ignoramus on geopolitics in general and this conflict in particular. But it is interesting to me to try and figure out how the actions of the presidential candidates jive with what certain people have been saying about them.

John McCain is a militaristic hardliner and he seems to be acting true to form in this instance.

Hillary knows what’s going on as she demonstrated in her April 18th statement on Georgia/Russia relations.

Obama statements seem pretty generic. They don’t demonstrate any real understanding of anything. They are not confrontational and they are not appeasing.

But his contact with President Saakashvili, I think, fits the claims by people like Lyndon LaRouche that both Saakashvili and Obama are George Soros beneficiaries and that Mr Soros is the puppetmaster.

If Obama is a true Soros creation, then he would after all is said and done take a hard line with Russia. But he can’t match McCain in specific knowledge, so the best he can do right now is make McCain look like a warmonger who has no qualms about confronting Russia and demonstrate his own presumed diplomatic skills by contacting the little guy, Saakashvili.

If push did come to shove though, Obama would be at an extreme disadvantage.

I will be waiting for Obama’s press release about his discussions with Putin.

Comment by Northwest rain | 2008-08-12 16:04:22

Idiot!

Obama’s “statements” are prepared by someone and read by Obama — or just faxed to the Media whores.

You trolls are idiots.

People are dying because of the Obamaling — People have already died in Kenya — thank to the “help” Obama gave his cousin. And Obama doesn’t give a sh*t.

PUMA

Comment by Faustina | 2008-08-12 16:05:44

I might be an idiot, but I am not a troll.

 
 
 

Comment by Lee12 | 2008-08-12 15:17:22

“I think it is important at this point for all sides to show restraint and to stop this arms conflict” Obama 08/08/08 on layover while heading to vacation in Hawaii.

Now there is some informed talk-sheer brilliance. “You stop that you two, just stop that fighting right now. I am the chosen one and you two are just ruining my vacation”

I heard he has 300 foreign policy advisors. Is that right? Wow, looks like they didn’t help at all.

Meanwhile, Obama continues to “strenghten” and “refine” his position on this conflict.

Remember his comments from the debates:

“We can’t afford a president whose positions change with the politics of the moment. We need a president who knows that being ready on Day One means getting it right from Day One

Do we need any more evidence of his inexperience and failure to get it right from day one?

Comment by Rob in Chicago | 2008-08-12 15:35:55

Obama’s most recent statement on the situation in Georgia:

I’ve just gotten off the phone with the leader in Georgia, and Governor Sonny Perdue assures me that this is all a big mistake, and that his state is not being bombed by the Russians, so the National Guard is being returned to their barracks. To quote SNL’s Emily Littella: “NEVERMIND”.”

 

Comment by American Woman | 2008-08-12 18:16:15

By time he gets a clear inderstanding…the War will be over…and well into Peace Talks…He is not READY to LEAD…and seems to be a slow learner too!!

PUMA

 
 

Comment by c | 2008-08-12 15:29:29

ACTION ALERT
Cafferty’s question for the hour on CNN concerns Hillary’s nomination and the Denver Group’s ad. He’s dissing Heidi Li by name.

Go vote and leave a comment.
http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/12/placing-hillary%e2%80%99s-name-in-nomination/#comment-494770

 

Comment by PS | 2008-08-12 15:30:07

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/257334/Barack_Obama_Refuses_Townhall_Style_Event_With_Military_Members_And_Veterans

Just saw this article about BO refusing to meet alongside McCain with an audience of 6000 Veterans and families. “Scheduling Conflict”….let’s see, August 11th…bodysurfing, maybe squeeze in a visit with grandma, jog, sleep, talk about Georgia (now, is that north of FL??),golf, wave to the adoring crowd, sit on the beach then part the sea…nope, no time for the veterans…once again.

Comment by roseeriter | 2008-08-12 15:43:11

Obama’s a coward and can’t look a real Patriot Vet in the eye. Why?? Because he and Michelle don’t really like America. If that isn’t proof I don’t know what is.

 

Comment by PS | 2008-08-12 15:47:16

A comment from another blog regarding this meeting:

Marine Wife and Proud (not verified) says:
Keep your eyes open for a NY Times article tomorrow. I have it on good authority that Sen. Obama’s “previous engagement” is a vacation with his family before the convention.

“As a military spouse this angers me. If you are going to blow off our troops and veterans, at least be honest about why.

I know am just one wife married to just one of the millions of service members who have vowed to leave their homes and families, and give their lives if necessary, at the direction of the Commander in Chief. I would like to think that time with our families is just as important as time with his own.

Way to Honor the Troops, Senator!”

 
 

Comment by Ted | 2008-08-12 15:42:16

Of course it is specifically because of efforts to include Georgia under the NATO umbrella (as Hillary demanded) that Russia has become more aggressive. There is no way in hell Russia will allow a NATO country right on its border where Georgia is. Not to mention, if Georgia was part of NATO, the US would now be at war with Russia.

This is a very complex situation, and the length of a statement is not a good measure of its effectiveness.

Finally, as this is a real world crisis, I think it would be best for both presidential candidates to back off and allow the pres to speak as the single voice of the country. On less volatile issues that’s not so important, but in cases like this, trying to score political points by contradicting or confusing the president’s message is poor leadership.

Comment by Eidnoreid | 2008-08-12 16:39:49

however, the content of the statement is what matters, unlike the pitiful statement from obama and how he believes Georgia and Russia should just restrain themselves after many lives have been lost in this conflict.

Comment by Eidnoreid | 2008-08-12 16:43:08

now that’s poor leadership and you of all people shouldn’t judge other people of political expediency considering how obama has based many of his actions on political expediency and pandering on important issues.