Is Hillary’s Campaign Really Dead?
By Pat Racimora on August 12, 2008 at 10:30 AM in Barack Obama, Democratic National Convention, Democratic Nomination, Hillary Clinton
Is Hillary Clinton’s campaign really dead? The truth is, we really don’t know. So, bear with me for a few seconds here.
Schrödinger’s Cat is a famous thought experiment by an Austrian physicist whereby a hypothetical cat is placed in a closed chamber rigged with potentially deadly exposure to radiation. However, a series of random events may or may not occur before the chamber is opened, at which time the observers will learn whether the cat is alive or dead. Schrödinger believed that until the box is opened, the cat can be thought of as both alive and dead at the same time. (OK, that was the simple version. Erwin Schrödinger hung out with Einstein, after all. See more here .)
Not unlike Schrödinger’s Cat, as of right now Hillary’s campaign is both alive and dead at the same time. The media and the Obama campaign think it is dead. But the truth is that no delegate has voted and, potentially, anything can happen given the delegates’ right to change their votes until the second they cast it. Florida, Michigan, Edwards’ delegates (will he be stripped of them?) are potential players that could, theoretically anyway, alter the picture. And who knows, as long as there is some time left in the box, the media and the DNC might wake up to realize that “hope” and “change” were really just words after all. Or maybe something new will come to light.
We will know soon enough, and maybe you will think of me as a dreamer, but that box is still closed. And it won’t be opened until August 28th.
In the meantime, what about Hillary Clinton herself? Oh, she is very much alive and better than ever. Eighteen million of us can attest to that!
John McCain has cut Barack Obama’s lead in Iowa in half over the past month Last month Obama had a double-digit lead on McCain, 51% to 41%. Rasmussen
” Oh, she is very much alive and better than ever.”
Let’s not be drinking Koolaid ourselves. She endorsed Obama on June 4th, and so long as no one pressures her to keep her promise and help us take back the country, the campaign is dead.
Germans are so fucking weird. I used to just put chestnuts in the microwave, and that was out there.
I think she’s still alive. That’s why I took her off the convention keynote speech. I will be announcing that she will become the next nominee and I the VP
WaPo unveils new interactive election map –
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/
OMG
Schroedingers CAT!!!
Is it alive or dead?
I LOVE PHYSICS!!!
I prefer RCP’s, because you can specify states that lean one way or another and toss-ups, and it keeps count of electoral votes automatically. Plus you can easily pull up state by state polls. You can’t save your results, though. Still, not really necessary. I *hate* the WaPo now, too.
Unless there is a major “tanking” of Obama I don’t think the DNC will allow her to have a nomination vote. I think even now they are scared to death that if it is allowed she will win.
I am still hopeful that the truth will come out about his “natural born” status - I believe that the law reads that he should not be POTUS now based on the fact that his mother was so young (18) and father was not an american citizen.
I just can’t understand why that point is not presented to the American people and why he has allowed to get this far in the process.
What arrogance on his part that he feels he can dupe the American public on this important fact.
Thank God there are sites like this where this information is brought out.
If they deny her a vote, the democratic party is history, as far as I am concerned.
Me, too. That would make me vote Republican without any second thoughts faithfully for the rest of my life, straight up and down the ticket.
also agree
no DEM but the Clintons will get my vote ever again
world without end
Amen
I agree. I will ONLY vote for the Clintons ever!
Hillary or McCain ‘08!!!
Count me out if HRC is not the nominee, as well.
Con artists always believe they can dupe enough people to be successful. But Obama forgot to factor in the Bush con that got to us first so that old
came into play. And then there’s that other forgotten maxim
Add that to the Peter and the Wolf factor and Obama’s con job didn’t have much chance of succeeding on all those can’t-fool-us sceptical PUMA types.
White snake?
nope Great White! LOL
hehehe
damn so close!
I don’t understand how Obama thinks he can stop a roll call vote. Okay say somehow the DNC strong arms her into releasing her delegates and she encourages them to vote for Obama. All that means is they are now free to vote for whoever. As Edwards delegates are free to vote for whoever. Say the DNC tries for unanimous voice vote for Obama. 1000 voices shouting NAY very loudly will not play well on TV and they have to do a roll call vote anyways. Barky can’t orchestrate the convention his way. Take your lumps NObama. Admit this is damn close and the supers will or will not push you over.
I say if the PEOPLE want HILLARY and the DNC doesn’t LIKE HILLARY we need to FIRE THE DNC!!!
It’s about the PEOPLE not the INNER cabal under the cover of RBC DARK
too bad if they hate the clintons
THEY WILL HAVE TO GET OVER IT
or FIND OTHER EMPLOYMENT
look at nwhat ED RENDELL and the PA Ststae Party sent out yesterday to all the PA dels!!
no no no!!
TO: All Clinton Delegates
FROM: Mary Isenhour
Executive Director
DATE: August 11, 2008
RE: Nomination
If anyone approaches you about signing a petition to place Senator Clinton’s name in nomination at the Democratic National Convention, the Governor has asked me to ask you to refrain from signing such a petition until we know what Senator Clinton and Senator Obama have worked out. As always, please feel free to let me know if you have any questions.
I CALLED and the dude got mad and hung up on me when he couldnt explain why they were INTERFERING like this!! he said maybe she doesnt want this, I said then she can say no when we have our sigs and ask her to sign!!
the GOV and STATE PARTY TELLING dels to NOT sign for Hillarys name to be placed in is not a ’suggestion’ it is a frakkin ORDER gimme a break man,
pls call:
Contacting Gov. Rendell. Call all of these numbers:
Main Office, Capitol Building: 717-787-2500
Northeast Region: 570-614-2090
Southeast Region: 215-560-2640
Northwest Region: 814-878-5719
Southwest Region: 412-565-5700
Special Assistant to the Governor, Lance Simon: 717-787-2500
Its more fascism and just the beginning… and VERY scary
According to the Democratic rule book, Call to the Convention, any roll votes cast for a candidate who has not formally been accepted into nomination (through the process described) will be recorded as “Present.”
I wonder what would happen Obama’s name was placed into nomination, and the Superdelegates/delegates that voted for him did not provide the number he needs for nomination.
How great would that be?
Would they be forced then to place someone else’s name into nomination. Or if Hillary’s delegates did vote for her and she reached the number needed for nomination, even though she was not on the ballot - what would they do?
It makes me smile to even think it might happen.
You know those Rules are the Rules…they have made up thier minds…to change them, follow them, ignore them whatever the situation needs..to force this FAUX Democrat on us.
So Obama’s choices are:
1.) a fake roll call with a 1000 plus “presents”
2.) a voice vote with a 1000 plus shouting “nay”
Neither option 1 or option 2 does much for the unity dog and pony show. Or 3.) Let the roll call happen as it usually does. He will NEVER get a unaniomous vote, so he really doesn’t have much of a choice.
Consider this: Obama, the DNC, along with the help of “good o’l boys member” Nancy Pelosi - disallowing the top vote getters’ names to be placed in nomination, disallowing the usual roll-call vote except for the candidate of their choice, when the top two candidates each have half the delegates in that room . Worst of all, this will be happening on the night of the convention speech celebrating the exact day of the anniversary of women being given the right to vote, and the speaker is the first woman for president who received more votes than the presumptive nominee. This is anarchy!
I saw that too…thanks for bring it up.
According to the rulz….it is place Hillary in nomination or have the spectre of of all those voices against Obama.
It seems to be the missing puzzle piece they are ‘negotiating’, while still slamming Clinton and her supporters. And why Donna was claiming that Hillary would place her name in ceremonially and then pull it out for Obama. They are hoping to silence both versions of the rulz and voters.
On another show last week, they were claiming how embarrassing it would be for Clinton now that many of her delegates have made the switch. That it would show her in a worse light with less support from delegates than she had when she suspended her campaign. Which is missing the point completely….as usual.
How many different ways are they trying to suppress democracy? And why are they still in control? I am starting to think a lawsuit against Dean, Brazile, and the DNC is in order.
Gives new meaning to ” letting the cat out of the bag.”
Here is something the authors may wish to follow up on.
Write about the new video he has: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVHGa6mia7Q
Will painting barns give Obama the experience he seriously lacks? Doesn’t this remind anyone of the old Batman series and films- the logo shining in the night sky? He did say recently that Batman is his favorite film. Something to ponder.
His logo is giving me the creeps.
The symbol looks like Pepsi’s symbol.
Actually, it looks like an anus, so you can all kiss my ass
I’m sorry I can’t listen to that
don’t link his nasty site w/out warning
I suppose I should have READ the link before clicking
my mistaKE
Remember when they used to paint HEX signs on barns? Obummer symbol would attract bad luck probably
sheesh
I just remember when they painted Mail Pouch Chewing Tobacco on barns.
Wonder how much he paid them to paint the barn. Wasn’t allow my comment..or question…
With the NYT pumping out hate
pieces again, I’d say Hillary is BACK!
Makes me wonder or are they speculating she has the VP slot? I hpe no to VP I will not vote for Obama !
val
I think if Hill takes VP it is cause she knows the stuff the GOP have and knows we need her there to be able to step up in October or God Forbid after he is indicted loater, cause the way he rolls you KNOW that will come eventually,
if she turns it down, then I am ready to roll for MAC, i sent in my campaign volunteer paperwork and now I am just waiting for the convention
Hill as VP (but I dont think she will BE VP, just be there to step up and run for POTUS when Barry steps down for some family illness or whatever he says in October after the GOP destroys him) or MAC as POTUS
W00T!!
and
BOOYAHHHH!!!
GINAAAAAA!
W00T & B00yaH!!
I concur!
I said a long time ago I would take Hillary any way I could get her and I meant that.
I also said I would not vote for BAmbi and I meant that too.
We’ll see how NOV plays out.
I have noticed Hillary has been having negative comments being made by Republican strategists on news soooooo does that mean maybe they think it is possible for her to pull it off? Anyone know why http://www.pumaparty.com is down?
For the third time Read this:
http://www.seriously-angry-democrat.org/
OH CHIT!
I suspected google which is why I took them off my auto-load
I now use yahoo but they are no better
sigh
have you heard anything about geocities or did I miss it?
It also seems to prove why OBAMA voted for FISA.
With Google corp in Obama’s pocket he’ll be able to control info, keep track of trouble makers, influence his outside American friends, I could go on and on.
Man are the progressives/DEMS for Obama HYPOCRITS on their candidate. Say bye to freedom of speech on the internet via the DEMOCRATS if Obama wins.
holy gawd almighty you are right
now I’M getting worried!!
it’s hard to swallow when your OWN turn on you
I really thought being a DEM stood for MORAL authority after BUSH but I suppose it was just wishful thinking considering MOST of the same players are STILL PLAYING!
DOH! (v8 slap to the forehead)
My own biggest personal difficulty is I always think the best of people initially never suspecting they would be BSing me or playing me.
Now days it doesn’t take me as long as it USED to! THANK YOU JESUS (as Kimora says) lol
sigh seriously
Check out this new video:Democrats ’08: Connect-the-Dots
The purpose of Democrats ’08: Connect-the-Dots is to look at past Democratic Conventions, explain the superdelegates and their responsibility, explain the differences between Lobbyists and PACs as well as Primaries and Caucuses, to detail the Florida/Michigan Primary fiasco, and to suggest a true nomination and roll call vote for Senator Clinton. (After all, every primary candidate before her has had this opportunity.)
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=23370
Excellent videos. Excellent!!
Hillary is going to vote for Obama.
Bill is going to vote for Obama.
Do you think they’re dumb?
So far NQ has promoted Larry Sinclair, the ‘Whitey’ tape and the phony COLB hoax.
Who’s smarter? Someone like Larry Johnson who falls for that, or the Clintons?
Be like Hillary - Vote Obama.
With mind reading ability like that you should go to Vegas. You could clean up at the poker table.
Denial like yours puts the Adelaide Institute to shame!
The Clintons will give speeches for Obama.
They will campaign for Obama.
Are they stupid?
Or are you?
You don`t play chess, do you?
I would venture he doesn’t even play checkers.
So you’re saying the Clintons are phonies who will talk out of both sides of their mouth? Really?
So why did you support Hillary to begin with?
Ignore the paid obama blog troll. He is just trying to earn enough money posting to pay for his Wii.
That sounds more like Obama who has taken both sides of many issues, throwing real democratic values under the bus out of pure political expediency.
Career politicians do their jobs. Voters aren’t beholden to anything but the dictates of their conscience.
So you’re saying the Clintons don’t have the courage to stand up to Obama?
That they are just ‘career politicians’ who are slaves to their jobs?
How flattering.
Obamabot, get sober from the Obummer kool-aid you are drinking.
what are you??!! 10 or 11 years old??!! Geezz how f-ing ignorant and GULLIBLE!
Go back to your play pen now…
I’ve never heard Bill or Hillary SAY they will vote for Obama. I’ve never seen a quote either.
Watch the Democratic Convention when they will both praise Obama and beg America to vote for him!
After you’ve witnessed that, will your opinion of them change?
Or will you realize they’re smarter than Larry Johnson & you?
It’s okay if you stay dumb. Evolution works faster that way.
NEVER!!!!!!!
Bullshit. NQ hasn’t promoted Larry Sinclair although with Ayers being so chummy with Oblowme I have my doubts.
And Oblowme’s records are all bullshit. Show the Oblowme’s real documents douchebag.
The whitey tape is for Christmas.
Haha!
You remind me of the kid who upon finding a pile of manure on Christmas morning dug in saying, “There’s got to be a pony in here somewhere!”
Keep digging!
stop talking to the troll
it’s an empty vessel
don’t fill it up
it should choke and die
Choke? Well, I have laughed so hard at the nonsense presented as ‘fact’ here that a fizzy drink almost came out my nose.
But the one choking is NQ: Sinclair, ‘Whitey,’ COLB.
Quite a batting average!
Haha!
And you remind me of the slacker that charges me for my slurpee. Get a real job instead of slumming for Oblowme.
You keep slurping the bs served here!
How many straws have you gone through?
not as many cups of koolaid as you have gone through.
Camp Hopium —> That way.
You can find more simpletons who chant your mantra there.
Keep sucking on Johnson’s Fool-Ade!
Obama will win without you.
Obama will lose. You can count on it.
Make sure to come back here when he does so i can swim in the pools of your koolaid tears…splish splash.
And you’re sucking Obama’s johnson…so what’s the difference?
Who the fuck gives a child horseshit for Christmas? Someone should have called CPS, if that was an anecdote.
Larry serves it up hot & steaming here everyday to the naive.
Obama used to serve it up hot and steaming too, but as many sources are grudgingly reporting, the shits gone cold and it doesn’t have the appeal that it used to which is why he is tanking in the polls.
Wheres the bump?
Why isn’t he ahead?
Whats wrong with Obama?
Troubling signs for Obama?
The Love Affair is Over!
The headlines say it loud and clear, Koolaid has become the new coke and frankly its not very good.
This you know because of the shit your boy gives YOU??
I will be like me and do cocaine and drugs while hiding from real situations
I think it’s over and the
coronationer convention is just a formality. If Dean could get his deposit back from Denver I’m sure he, Pelosi and Reid would cancel it.The only hope Hillary has is if Patrick Fitzgerald has something on Obama and it comes out before the end of the month.
Brilliant, Pat. I am digging the Schrödinger’s Cat analogy.
I think I would characterize media and Obama campaign differently: they want her campaign dead but are afraid that it is alive.
I still have hope in Texas Darlin, she did everything to find the truth about Obama and his BC and I still hope she will do her best.
Techdude & GiGi from Texas (TexDar) should go back to Stormfront:
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=221526&page=2
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/white-pride-world-wide-43331.html
Do you have any proof that these are the same people? Techdude is suprisingly a popular name on the Internet. How do we know that GIGI is TD? Oh they are both from Texas. I get it now. Right. Up is now down and left is now right. I forgot.
They share a very distinctive style of punctuation. There’s a heavy use of dashes to set off comments or parse sentences. And there’s a paucity of commas. There’s also a fairly heavy use of parentheses. According to what I’ve recently read in the authorship identification literature, punctuation has turned out to be one of the most informative and reliable features.
Both Techdudes like to use ALL CAPS for emphasis. Both Techdudes like to use emoticons. Both use the phrase “3rd party” instead of the more common “third party.”
The Texas Darlin ‘Techdude’ and the Stormfront ‘Techdude’ both have a lower than average word size, and are similar to each other - 4.61 characters for the TexasDarlin samples, and 4.63 characters for the Stormfront samples. The samples from other authors fell into the range of 4.76-5.64 characters (mean of 5.12, standard deviation of 0.27). So the two ‘Techdude’ samples fell outside the range of the other authors and resembled each other.
That’s the coolest ad hominem argument I’ve ever seen.
Like Ray, se, MarkL, Joseph Cannon, Koyyan = all the same person. Doesn’t take a genius or in depth analysis. Also doesn’t take much to tell that 85% of the trolls that come here and “banter” with each other are really the same person posting under different names to try to add legitimacy. Or to tell that you USUALLY post under BILLANDHILLARY CLINTONBOTHSUPPORTOBAMANOW.
Oops. I used parentheses and caps for emphasis. Maybe I’m really Texas Darlin. If I’d used a 3rd technique, maybe I am TechDude. Aw, now I’ve gone and done it! I’m both of them!
I notice that in this block you use much longer words than in your previous posts, making a longer word size. I’m preoccupied and ATM I haven’t got a reference, but it lingers in my mind that the average English word length in text is about 4-6 characters. In other words, you are saying they are close to average in word length. Also, you are not allowing for the clipped style popular in web writing. But “the archeology of words” or discourse analysis is quite popular in anthropology, I believe. Perhaps you could cite your reference. Thank you.
This was hilarious.
I guess I better watch my dashes, commas, and characters. Obots have nothing better to do than count these.
Bot, you’ve described most internet posts. Most are written in stream-of-consciousness (Virgina Woolf) and are written for maxium punch - hence the dashes and CAPITALS (and asides, you know, like you’re talking to someone).
I guess you rarely have thougths and have no need for consciousness and, since you have few friends, you don’t practice the art of conversation much, either.
Even if that is the case, which is exremely unlikely, how is GIGI = Texas Darlin? Both have a tendancy to capitalize words that start a sentence? Both end sentences with either a question mark or a period? Gotta be honest here OBOT, I think you have a bit to much free time on your hands. I mean honestly who goes to different sites and tries to analyze writing styles? Then to top it all off you come here and use this as some form of proof. Sad.
This appears to be an Obot troll.
And they’re copying and pasting text from Cannon’s blog without providing attribution (or distinguishing between quotes embedded in Cannon’s post versus comments written by Cannon himself).
They’re being intellectually dishonest and sloppy, making it look like the analyses and conclusions are their own.
Furthermore, there’s no good evidence that Texas Darlin=Gigi from Texas at Stormfront. That’s sheer speculation.
However, if you actually look at the writing style and tone, it does seem most likely to me that the ‘Techdude’ sending reports to Texas Darlin (and to Polarik at Atlas) is the same ‘Techdude’ as the one posting on the white supremacist site Stormfront. And, as Cannon points out, the Stormfront ‘Techdude’ has advocated using subterfuge to infiltrate other (non-racist) sites. Also, while many of the posters at Stormfront don’t favor involvement in electoral politics (they want to go off by themselves and do their own little neo-nazi thing), Stormfront ‘Techdude’ favors involvement in U.S. electoral politics (e.g. to spread stories about Obama).
Here’s the link to Cannon’s post regarding Techdude:
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2008/08/is-this-last-techdude-post-i-hope-so.html
For this blog entry, also read comment #35, posted by ‘G’.
One additional comment. Techdude’s con should have been obvious from the very beginning. For example:
Techdude at Atlas_Shrugs July 08, 2008
“All will be revealed eventually – I am just wary of finding my brake lines cut and my bunny boiled in a pot of water”
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/who-died-and-ma.html
Techdude at Atlas_Shrugs July 20, 2008
“As some of you may or may not know some asshat decided to track me down and vandalize my car and hang a dead mutilated rabbit from my front door in a lame attempt to intimidate me”
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html
Then finally, Texas Darlin posted on August 10, 2008
“Techdude has informed me that he is unable to continue his work at this time, due to family obligations and ongoing threats.”
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/techdude-update-and-who-i-am-not/
Do not click and give that despicable organization any traffic!
But again with the racism accusation, huh? God, that is wearing so thin.
Next!
It ain’t over till it’s over.
And there hasn’t been a vote - forced fake unity or not.
Screw these commie DNC bastards.
Great drawing as always Pat.
Love the cat.
oh thank you! I did not know of this work! and I believe I believe!!!
yes Quantuum Physics, perception IS reality, we alter it with our beliefs!!
did anyone see What the Bleep do we Know? documentary explaining quantuum physics, really excellent imo
anywho it is like the Secret sort of, our beliefs and perceptions alter reality, we are creating our reality
if you believe it , it is so
so keep the faith, believe, call, donate, work on it peeps!
it aint over by a long shot!
OMMMMMM
HILLARY IS POTUS
I won’t vote for him.
He left the district he represented as a state senator in ruins.
He will use this country’s people the same way he used the poorest of the poor in Chicago and leave it in the same horrible condition.
No thanks!
I can’t believe Fox News just flashed the headline “Democrats stay brave in face of Clinton Challange…”
Brave? OMG what happened to my country, seems like the people have been replaced with sheep. I hoping I will wake up and this will all be a bad dream.
Hillary has that right.not one reached the delegates yet-Hillary has more electro votes and votes-She won all the states that is needed to beat John McCain.This goes to show again and again the election was set up by this person as many more.
I like John McCain to.That’s where my vote would go to if not Hillary.never Obama not even for a V.P !NEVER!And yes I signed the pettition to keep Donna to her promise.
Help Donna Brazile Keep Her Promise to Quit the DNC
http://comealongway.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/donna-brazile-keep-your-promise-and-quit-the-dnc/