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Eligibility Challenge, State-by-State: Act II

In a previous post I suggested that there was an urgent need to make known and make use of the stunning information revealed by TexasDarlin and researchers regarding the potential ineligibility of Barack Obama to serve as President of the United States because of certain “technical” matters related to his legal name, birth certificate, and multiple citizenship. 

These mere “technical” issues are those which may result in his removal from the ballot, but unless these are covered and widely reported, Senator Obama/Soetoro will never fully be vetted and a potentially fraudulent candidate will be nominated.  At the same time that I support all efforts to get to the media, print and otherwise, I think it may also have strategic value to work at your state level too, in a way that by-passes the Obots.

This would be our last chance, before the convention, to convince the superdelegates that something is wrong with “The One”–something that is perilously wrong.  So far they have been impervious to solid, factual arguments of policy, his use of the race card, his arrogance, shocking lack of knowledge, his flip flops, misogyny, and friends and associates.  I’d like to send them a little shock and awe

My thinking is that if we immediately initiate a few state-based efforts to challenge Obama-Soetoro’s technical qualifications–legal name, birth certificate, citizenship–that these efforts will begin to generate calls to the DNC and Obama campaign, and state-based research, that will call attention to weaknesses of Obama-Soetoro.  And if we launch this effort in a few key states-say Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Indiana—and enough questions are raised, Senator Obama-Soetoro and the DNC are going to have to comply with this information or risk having his name removed from the ballot. 

Already there have been efforts initiated to the Secretary of State (SOS) of New York, and suggested efforts to the Attorney General of the state of Hawaii. These letters form good “templates” for work in your state, and are posted at TexasDarlin.

In otherwords, Barack-Barry, it’s put up, or shut up and step down time. You know, fish or cut bait. Lead or be led right out of here. If you can prove it and explain who you are, fine. I still won’t vote for you. But its more than time for you to be forthright with the American people.

Below is a draft of a letter to a Secretary of State of your state that can be used as a template for a letter to your SOS, letters to the editor, letters to delgates, etc.  This letter draws upon and references, as required, the work of TexasDarlin, and would include some of the articles at her site.  Of course, no letter should be copied verbatim, to protect the original author and effort, but it does contain what could be used and a short summary of the findings to date. 

All should modify this letter as a tool with the new information that is posted almost daily at Texasdarlin and here at NOQuarter.  Already I see places this letter could be refined, as you will too. My hope was to put up an “action tool” for your working pleasure.

Depending on how comfortable you feel, you may or may not want  your name publicised with this effort.  It is our right as American citizens to have this information and to know who we are voting for. Good Luck!

Subject: Eligibility of Senator Barack Obama

Dear Secretary___________:

I am writing to express my concerns about, and request your assistance in certifying, whether Senator Barack Obama is eligible under Article II of the U.S. Constitution to be placed on the Presidential ballot in the State of ________. I understand that the Secretary of State’s office (SOS) relies primarily on the state and national republican and democratic parties to certify a nominee’s eligibility, although it retains the final authority on eligibility along with other SOS offices. Respectfully, it appears in the case of Senator Obama, a full verification of eligibility may not have been conducted.

I do not write this letter in frivolity and without basis, and set forth in the pages below and attached references the reasons why I am concerned. I believe that serious questions remain unanswered, and although I am a life-long registered democrat, my pleas for information from the campaign, and local and national headquarters of the Democratic Party have been met with deafening silence.

Respectfully, I seek your review of the following materials, and if you believe it to be significant, your assistance in verifying Senator Obama’s eligibility to be placed on the ballot in __________.

Background

Article II of the U.S. Constitution states , in part, that:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

That “natural born” citizenship can be passed to children who are born abroad by one or more parents who are American citizens is not in doubt. The requirement to be a “Citizen of the United States” is interpreted to mean allegiance: as the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, the President must have only one allegiance, and that is to the United States.

It is my understanding that the singular purpose of Article II is to ensure that the President of the United States has absolute allegiance to the United States. Naturalized citizens are specifically excluded from serving as President by virtue of having had or having citizenship from another country, that is, divided loyalties. U.S. law says nothing about dual citizenship; only that some people have it. However, if naturalized citizens cannot be President because they have previously had another allegiance, then dual citizens by nature would not meet the test of Article II.

Statement of the Problem

Given this background, the major concern I and many others have is whether Senator Obama meets both criteria, as to “natural born” and “American citizenship”. To wit:

  1. Falsified Birth Certificate? In June, Senator Obama published an electronic image of his Hawaii Certification of Live Birth (COLB) on his campaign website next to the words “the truth about Barack’s birth certificate.” It is still there (see http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert). Since that time, at least two independent forensics and documents experts have concluded that this image of a COLB, proffered by Sen. Obama as his true birth certificate, is a forgery (references attached). Furthermore, the image that Senator Obama proffered appears to be a forgery of his half-sister’s Hawaiian birth certificate, although she was actually born in Indonesia. I have attached reference documents containing the original reports.

    a. As you know, the falsification of COLB-style forms is relatively simple because of technological advancements in digital and computer applications. However, the very existence of the computer-generated black block where the Certificate Number should be on the proffered form is suspect and, in accordance with the document’s own language about alterations, would invalidate the certificate. For this reason alone, investigation is warranted.

    b. Researchers believe that Sen. Obama’s birth records in Hawaii may reveal a different legal name—“Barry Soetoro”– as a result of his adoption by an Indonesian citizen; that adoption would have resulted in Mr. Obama’s subsequent acquisition of Indonesian citizenship. I am concerned that Sen. Obama may be intentionally concealing these facts from the electorate.

  2. Dual and/or Multiple Citizenship? The Rocky Mountain News reported that Senator Obama had and may still have Kenyan citizenship. Other reports, which are attached, indicate that Senator Obama had at one time, and may still have, Indonesian citizenship resulting from his adoption by an Indonesian citizen in 1965. As is required by Article II, the President must not have divided loyalties; he must have only one allegiance.
  3. Use of the 14th Amendment to Claim Eligibility instead of Article II? Senator Obama’s official campaign website states that the Senator “is a U.S. citizen under the 14th Amendment”. Section I of this amendment states: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. Why was there a need to mention the 14th Amendment instead of Article II as an eligibility criterion? Is Senator Obama a naturalized citizen?

Notwithstanding the fact that Congress cannot change the Constitution, Senator Claire McCatskill, along with Senators Obama and Leahy, sponsored a successful, but unnecessary resolution “certifying” John McCain’s eligibility to serve as President that contained these clauses:

Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President ; and

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, that John Sidney McCain, III, is a ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

Frankly, this resolution, and the use of the 14th Amendment on Senator Obama’s website does not sit well with me; and the disturbing “coincidence” of this information with the forged birth certificate and potential multiple citizenships—without any explanation from Senator Obama or the Democratic National Committee–is what motivated me to write to you.

  Summary

As a voting American, I am not satisfied that I have enough information on Senator Obama to measure whether he is eligible for the Presidency. I worry for our Country should a candidate who does not meet the Article II criteria win the Presidency. Senator Obama must at the very least provide adequate documentation of his background to have his named placed on Wyoming’s Presidential ballot.

Mr. Secretary, I am prepared to accept that my concerns are unfounded if Senator Obama or the Democratic Party can provide these assurances to the voting public, or if your research can prove conclusively that he meets the eligibility criteria. Unfortunately, ordinary citizens like me cannot take on the burden of certifying presidential candidates, and in the presence of compelling information to suggest he may be ineligible for the office he seeks I urge your consideration of the attached materials.

I must emphasize that this request is not racially or religiously motivated, nor is it out of some partisan desire to have another candidate nominated. My concern is that of an American who loves her Country and believes in the rule of law.

Because of the hostility I have already experienced, and the threats to my safety and career that I may incur by openly challenging Senator Obama’s eligibility for the Office of the President, I respectfully request that my name be withheld from the public, democratic or republican party officials, or other public officials in any discussion of this issue. I can be reached by you or your staff at ____________________.

Thank you in advance for consideration of these issues.

Sincerely yours,

Enclosures–These are the 12 papers on TexasDarlin’s site by Judah Benjamin & Texas Darlin regarding (a) the birth certificate, and (b) citizenship. See text and list below.

 Footnotes to letter–these were the footnotes to the letter above, mainly documenting references.  I was unable to place them in the text here (unskilled at html!), but you can probably guess where they go in the text of the letter.  I am happy to clarify as needed.

1. This was clarified by the United States Naturalization Act of 1790 (1 Stat. 103,104) stating that the “children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens.” In this way, birth and allegiance are linked.

 2. “Divided Loyalties: Obama’s Eligibility Problem: Part I”. Author Judah Benjamin. Report attached to this paper.

 3.See Israeli Insider, online edition, August 8, 2008, “Claim: Obama’s birth certificate forged from sister Maya’s.”

 4. Because of the intimidation and threats that Obama critics face, the authors of these articles have thus far remained anonymous. However, your office should have other means of verifying the authenticity of these reports, and could consult with them if required.

 5. Although much is known about Senator Obama’s Kenyan roots from his writings, little is mentioned in his own writing or others about his Indonesian background.

 6.Even if Senator Obama took steps to renounce earlier citizenship, there may still be problems under Article II, but these should be handled in a court of law or some other forum, not concealed from the voting public.

  7.See: http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html . Senator McCain’s eligibility to serve as President was challenged and successfully resolved in 2000 and in 2008, and was a matter of U.S. law long before these two challenges. Thus the resolution could not have been solely about Senator McCain. Did the first clause above attempt to create a blanket allowance for foreign born citizens to be labeled “natural born”?

  8.George Romney (Mexico); Barry Goldwater (Arizona Territory). Romney did not advance to nomination, and Goldwater was defeated by Lyndon Johnson in 1964.

  9.I have no explanation for why the Democratic Party, the Obama campaign, the mainstream media, or the Republican Party are not forthcoming with all the necessary documentation for an office that requires extreme scrutiny of all personal alliances, health status, selective service registration, eligibility criteria, academic records and publications, and other information. In addition, I am just one of hundreds of thousands of people across the country who are asking for the same information. Perhaps in the excitement of the 2008 primary season, some of these basic questions were overlooked, and perhaps these data will be provided to each SOS once Senator Obama is officially nominated.

Here is the Enclosure disclaimer and list of articles:

ENCLOSURES

The following enclosures are articles representing significant research conducted by various authors that began in June 2008 with the investigation of Senator Barack Obama’s web-posted “official” birth certificate. The research led to more serious questions of Senator Obama’s eligibility, under Article II of the U.S. Constitution, to serve as President of the United States.

Please be aware that throughout the critical examination of Senator Obama on the internet—which has not been covered by the main-stream media—individual authors on Democratic/Progressive blogs have had to remain anonymous, post under pseudonyms; have been threatened physically, stalked over the internet (a federal crime), and have had their websites or personal computers hacked, attacked, or shut down. It appears that there are many people who do not want this information to be made available to the general public.

Therefore, before the information is dismissed automatically because it is internet-based, please take a look at the content. Your office should have the same resources, and more, to independently confirm all of the material herein.

****

Birth Certificate

1. Forensics Expert: Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery, Techdude, July 20, 2008

2. *Breaking* Techdude Finds Original Text on Alleged Obama Birth Certificate, Techdude, August 3, 2008.

3. *Breaking* Obama Hides Indonesian Identity: Fake Birth Certificate Explained, TexasDarlin, July 31, 2008

4. *Breaking*: Sister Maya’s Name Uncovered on Alleged Obama Birth Certificate [Update], TexasDarlin, August 5, 2008

5. Obama: The Forged COLB and a New Mystery, Judah Benjamin, August 5, 2008

Citizenship and Eligibility

6. Divided Loyalties, Obama’s Eligibility Problem—Part I, Judah Benjamin, July 25, 2008

7. Divided Loyalties, Obama’s Eligibility Problem—Part II [Revised], Judah Benjamin, July 26, 2008

8. Links and Bibliography, Divided Loyalties Parts 1 & 2, Judah Benjamin, July 1 2008

9. Obama the Indonesian: Citizen of the World?, Judah Benjamin, July 28, 2008

10. The Paper Trail: Obama’s Indonesian Background [Revised], Judah Benjamin, July 30, 2008

11. Obama: A Disaster Waiting to Happen, Legal Challenges Imminent?, Judah Benjamin, August 2, 2008

12. Obama’s Dual Citizenship Disaster: An Overview, TexasDarlin, August 10 2008

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Comment by prabhata | 2008-08-14 23:45:26

These letter might work with Republican secretaries of state, but not Democrats. Also, given that the Republicans worked hard to make sure Obama was the nominee, I don’t see the Republicans going against their best interest. I guess I’m one of those people who gives up easily because I see the empty part of the glass.

Comment by Dawnelle | 2008-08-14 23:56:26

well this time you are being logical and realistic!

NONE of them want HILLARY!

we’re gonna have to do this on our own (but go for it to those that think it could help)

gnite fine PUMA & NoQtr Bloggers!

 

Comment by HARP | 2008-08-14 23:58:23

prabhata…. Give up ? Where the Hell do you think we would be if everyone gave up at Bunker hill or at Omaha beach or after Pearl Harbor. TexasDarlin spends hours digging for the truth on this Bozo, as do many others, the least you can do is send a few letters along.

Comment by Dawnelle | 2008-08-15 00:08:51

nah I’m not gonna make them really hate HILLARY

you see I did that many times already and I am getting “STOP SENDING ME EMAILS” from most of them so I am NOT Going to make it worse for HILLARY

If they are THAT STUBBORN or bought off by now becoming a pest or pill or pain in someone’s ass constantly is not my thing (nor do I think Hillary would appreciate it)

jmo

I did it a half dozen times. They know my email. They won’t read it. Not from me. I don’t think that is being negative but realistic. Sorry.

clearly we’re all not the same but still I support Sen. Clinton! And will never vote for a fraud and probably won’t vote for a war monger either.

gnite

Comment by Mirlo | 2008-08-15 04:25:05

who are you really???

Comment by heather | 2008-08-15 08:29:24

Oh please, cut out the accusations. Comments like this make me feel like I”m back on dailykos where the inquisition never stopped.”

Comment by Dawnelle Leona del Puma | 2008-08-15 08:47:14

Thanks Heather

Yes that was a very tired and very sad ME right before bed last night!

Today I feel a bit better but still believe those SUPERS and DELEGATES that accepted ANY kind of payment will feel obligated to vote for Bambi no MATTER WHAT otherwise have to give back the money that has already probably been spent!!!!

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by jrterrier | 2008-08-15 01:24:00

I think the letter should be edited. The first sentence should read — As a resident of XYZ State, I hereby challenge the qualifications of Senator Barack Obama to have his name on the ballot.

Comment by no waffles aka drkate | 2008-08-15 10:14:05

thank you, will do.

 
 

Comment by Obama is a bum | 2008-08-15 01:29:07

I can’t figure out either party this year. I never thought the Republicans would nominate McCain. Many Republicans were angry and said they would vote for Obama because they did not like McCain and Obama would drop the ball if elected which would allow the Republicans to rebuild their party. I think many of the Republicans are having second thoughts since nobody really knew anything about Obama and what we have found out is frightening. I now think Republicans would prefer Clinton over Obama since Obama is a lunatic.

I support this proposed effort here. There needs to be a full court press to stop Obama. Everyone with ideas to damage Obama need to step forward and implement them with support from as many others as possible. I believe Obama needs to be defeated and the DNC changed. I am an Independent but have no desire to see either party become a ceespool like the Democratic party is becoming. An Obama defeat would put the Democratic party back in business and the DNC would get overhauled.

UNITED STATES FIGHTING AGAINST OBAMA!

 

Comment by valsthewoman | 2008-08-15 09:53:04

Hello,
I live in Ohio. I sent the letter to my Sec. of State Jennifer Burnner. I look forward to posting a response. If everyone does this……
i AM ALSO SENDING A COPY TO MY STATE NEWSPAPERS, NEWSTATIONS AND NATIONAL NEWS OUTLETS. GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by no waffles aka drkate | 2008-08-15 10:16:08

thank you so much! This was the point of doing this! start the challenge, send it to the newspaper. Good luck, keep us apprised.

 
 
 

Comment by http://ohmyvolvo.blogspot.com | 2008-08-14 23:53:49

Oh man, I’m not even voting for Obama but you lot are really insane. You’re dragging the party back to it’s days as the party of slavery.. you’re racist.

Comment by StrawberrybitesBarky | 2008-08-15 00:01:41

And you have shitty taste in cars.

Comment by HARP | 2008-08-15 00:07:44

We have a new Troll from Repug land.

Comment by Zeke | 2008-08-15 00:32:51

Do Rep’s even drive Volvo’s? I’d think they’d go Navigator or something. Nah, this troll is from the same cesspool as the rest. Give away: “You lot”
How often do “You Lot” get called “You Lot?”

Try this one troll: Sod off

Comment by ritamary | 2008-08-15 01:35:34

How about this: Sod off you wanker.

 
 

Comment by Rob in Chicago | 2008-08-15 09:42:40

Even the Bot’s name on his website: Spewey” is appropriate. I just wish he would go somewhere else to spew. I’m sorry that I gave his site a “click”, and I take the click back ? Actually, he probably spewed here just to get more clicks to his site. Pathetic; him and his damned noisy ass Volvo.

 
 
 

Comment by HARP | 2008-08-15 00:02:17

And you are an idiot. Whats your point.

 

Comment by athena | 2008-08-15 00:02:48

Rascist? - Shut up you bot! The rulz are the rulz……..and BO seems to be trying to get around the ones that really matter.

 

Comment by No for O | 2008-08-15 00:09:59

R u off ur meds? You cannot be serious.

 

Comment by Karma | 2008-08-15 00:29:28

You’ve got Hillary dressed up like Hilter…complete with a mustache…and we are insane!? LOL

And Strawberry is right you have horrible taste in cars.

Is your’s the slow boxy version or the slow boxy version with rounded corners? LOL

Comment by Zeke | 2008-08-15 00:39:20

Acronym for VOLVO: Very Odd Looking Vehicular Object

Comment by Karma | 2008-08-15 00:55:35

 
 
 

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-08-15 00:39:42

Unless Hillary is the nominee we have left the party asshole!
If the democrats selects Obama then they will be headed for extinction after November.
I’m sick of Volvo drivers.

The seats in Volvos are designed to make people prissy and anti-American.
Volvos in Seattle are like a plague onto society.

As a proud American manufacturer I’m glad I can say that I bought an American car.
My 300 rocks!

Comment by Karma | 2008-08-15 00:57:53

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-08-15 01:14:57

I wouldn’t have anything else!

 
 
 

Comment by kgirl1028 | 2008-08-15 00:48:51

I clicked on you cute little site, If you think Hillary is a nazi check out barak and his national civilian security serivice, or as michelle says ‘barak will make you work” foolishness. And you can’t call me racist cause i’m black.

Comment by Thinker | 2008-08-15 03:40:19

same here.

lol @ the Obamabot race-baiters who keep calling us racist, ASSUMING that all of the posters on here against Obama are White.

hmmm, so since you and I are Black, their little racist tactic won’t work.

Get ready kgirl, the trolls are going to start calling us “uncle Toms” or tell us to “wakeup” the same way Meshelle did.

Maybe their actions are a part of their “national civilian security serivice” training ?? I think this might be a part of the Obama Troll 101 class.

Comment by Obama is a bum | 2008-08-15 05:21:35

Since Obama has nothing to offer the Obama campaign has always felt their ace-in-the-hole was the racist card. They feel the racist card is their kryptonite but if people don’t fold under it then they are done.

Blacks have been told to fall in line for a long time otherwise they are Uncle Tom or sell outs, thus robbing them of any diversification of thought. They pull the racist name calling on whites in the same approach to get them to fall in line instead of thinking.

UNITED STATES FIGHTING AGAINST OBAMA!

 

Comment by C.S. | 2008-08-15 07:51:41

And all Obama disciples (and Obama) seem to forget there are more minorities in this country than just their little group.

Hispanics who, by the way, came along with the annexed western territories, are the largest group of “minorities” in the U.S.

Now that Native American numbers are growing rather than being diminished they are becoming another “minority” to be reckoned with.

And don’t forget the Asian population (from China, Japan, Korea and now Vietnamese and Cambodian refugees from our last long war) that have been here for about as long as Obama’ white relatives and many of them arrived as slaves, too.

All of these and others (don’t forget the ladies) have as much right to claim racism as the Obama pack does. So why does this privileged half white guy from Indonesia/Hawaii think he is the only one entitled to throw that epithet around when his African American connection started and ended in Kenya - not the USA.

 
 
 

Comment by Barbara | 2008-08-15 01:04:48

Oh another troll forgetting that not only is NoBama 1/2 white…

he’s a liar.

buh-bye and take that volvo with you

 

Comment by sfhillary | 2008-08-15 01:23:50

Correct. I’ve tried to avoid reaching this conclusion but yes, they are crazy, and I cannot think of any reason for the virulence of their hatred other than race. Oh well. Luckily their influence is declining Check this out:

http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/the_truth_about_puma_conference_08_you_cant_spell_conference_without_c_o_n/

LOL.

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-08-15 02:06:42

Where have you been sf?
Seems that when Obama is sinking in the polls you go hide under a rock.
Nothing has changed!

Obama is anti-American and the proof is how he wished for defeat in Iraq.

I ask you once again sf…

How can I support a nominee for president who doesn’t cheer our troops?

Comment by Pink Panther | 2008-08-15 02:27:17

Using race is an easy out for Obama supporters because they cannot defend his racist and sexist behavior.

Remember, it is Obama who is racist and sexist.

Obama attended a racist church for 20 years which preached based on Black Liberation Theology.

Obama got married in that church and had his children attend and baptized in that church.

Obama wrote in his autobiography, Dreams of My Father: A Story of Race & Inheritance, “That’s just how white folks will do you.”

Obama referred to his grandmother as a “typical white person.”

Obama associated with Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, Bill Ayers, Faher Michael Pflger and Rashid Khalidi.

Castro, Gaddafi, Kim Jong, Hamas and Hugo Chavez have all voiced support for Obama.

Obama states he believes in equal pay but pays the women working in his Senate office less than the men working on his staff, according to a Report of the Secretary of the Senate.

If Obama supporters admit these things about him, they have to admit they are the ones who are racist and sexists.

They are not going to do that so instead, when rational people ask reasonable questions about their candidate, the only thing they can say is: “You are a racist.”

Remember: They know not what they are talking about.

 
 

Comment by Obama is a bum | 2008-08-15 05:25:18

Go back over to Kos and sing kumbaya with the rest of your dead heads or are you getting tired of the cult.

 

Comment by heather | 2008-08-15 08:35:08

Actually, depending on whom you consider to be “they”, it looks to me like the PUMA nfluence is increasing. PUMA spokespeople are appearing on the MSM and Hillary’s name will be put in nomination (and by her own campaign’s declaration it was not their idea but PUMAs).

 
 

Comment by ritamary | 2008-08-15 01:32:40

Just questioning anything about Dear Leader makes us racists. How dare we ask questions about Dear Leader! Well as another Obot said on a different thread, the roolz will be different when Obummer is president.

Comment by sfhillary | 2008-08-15 01:46:22

No, questioning anyone doesn’t make you racist. Your seething, deranged, irrational hatred of a black man and the steady stream of racially-motivated commentary are what make at least some of you racist. For instance: I’ve read hundreds of times on NQ that Obama espouses “Black Liberation Theology.” The day anyone is able to demonstrate to me that this man has any personal belief whatsoever in Black Liberation Theology, I’ll eat my shoe.

But of course this is all straight out of the Republican playbook: attack your opponent with whatever the most potent negative weapon is, then when you’re called on it, simply deny it, over and over again, no matter how much evidence there is.

So sure, you have members who comment about black liberation theology, and make constant Ludacris comments, and call Michelle Obama “beast” or “ape,” or make jokes about malt liquor in the White House, and on and on. But none of you are racist. Sure.

http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/the_truth_about_puma_conference_08_you_cant_spell_conference_without_c_o_n/

Read it and weep, PUMAs. Your “movement” is a joke. When push came to shove, you couldn’t get more than sixty people to come to your convention.

How sad.

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-08-15 01:58:44

How unfortunate for you sf…

Enjoy that bitter backlash!

 

Comment by andySF | 2008-08-15 02:05:57

By using the race card, you are not better than Obama camp. He lost me at his race baiting and you are no better. There are always race factor in this country, and by using race as your reason of support make you a very racist person. It means you don’t think us minorities are capable of doing anything on our own merit.

If you want discussion or debate issue, stop your race baiting!

 

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-08-15 04:31:49

Correction. My seething deranged irrational hatred of a quarter maybe half-black man who can provide no compelling reason to vote for him except that he ran with the jackass party instead of the GOP.

 

Comment by kgirl1028 | 2008-08-15 04:38:16

No what’s sad is that in this Country, there are only sixty people who question the ligimacy of people like Barak Obama and George W Bush. Now that is pathetic and sad. Trust me, people’s blind trust of obama is no different than their trust of Bush. When two people who are grossly incompatent liars, earn that much trust and loyalty, you know the world is going to hell in a hand basket. Why has obama lied to you about his identity? why didn’t his supposed call for a cease fire get the russians to stop work? Wake up there are no Russian and Georgians standing together Kumby yah and they want be doing it anytime soon. Infact Obama is doing the same thing Bush use to do when we were in danger, go on vacation. The rest of the world wants obama as president for one simple reason, he’s arrogent, he’s weak, and he doesn’t work well under pressure. What you don’t see the way he acts when someone asks him something he’s not ready for uhh ahhh uhh ahhh uhhh. Trust me we’ll be lucky if all he does if we are attacked he read “my pet goat”, at least bush had Chaney and Rumsfeld, but Barry has Winnie the Pooh. Now think sfhillary who looks crazy? People who want someone competent or you someone who votes for someone who thinks a disney character should frame our foriegn policy?

 

Comment by Obama is a bum | 2008-08-15 05:36:28

“The day anyone is able to demonstrate to me that this man has any personal belief whatsoever in Black Liberation Theology, I’ll eat my shoe.”

You are not talking to zombies in Obamaland over at Kos. Your messiah spent more time searching for a church to go to than he did working in the Senate. And the bigot only sat there for 20 years sopping up Wright’s toxic black liberation theology. Obama is not the sharpest knife in the drawer but over 20 years even he had to learn a lot about BLT. I imagine he does not know much else. Now go choke on your shoe.

UNITED STATES FIGHTING OBAMA!

 

Comment by heather | 2008-08-15 08:41:33

Wow I think you hoisted yourself on your own petard with this one:
“The day anyone is able to demonstrate to me that this man has any personal belief whatsoever in Black Liberation Theology, I’ll eat my shoe.”

Hope you’ve got some salt to go with that. Barack Obama called Rev. Wright his mentor and spiritual leader. Barack Obama secured federal funds for Wright’s various projects. Barack Obama sat in Wright’s church listening to him spew hatred. Rev. Wright has stated many times, and most clearly, that he is a believer and proponent of BLT. He goes so far as to chastise interviewers who ask him questions that (he implies) would not be necessary if the person had a grain of understanding of BLT.

In the universe most of us inhabit (I can’t speak for you), these facts constitute “demonstration” of a “personal belief” in BLT.

 

Comment by no waffles aka drkate | 2008-08-15 10:26:09

yawn. some people just don’t get it. troll-dom is like boredom. nothing to see here, move along….

 

Comment by cathnealon | 2008-08-15 17:55:24

shil
20 years in a black liberation theologian’s church; baptized, married, and his children baptized
20 years personal friend to wannabe black liberation Catholic priest theologian Fr. Pfleger
I guess he was just lying to them trying to get elected–
racist, racist, racist–roe v. wade, roe v wade, repeat repeat repeat that’s a joke
Hey, remember when the crowd had a choice between Jesus and Barabbas and they said “Give us Barabbas’ the thief and liar well, that’s what BO’s supporters are saying, “we don’t want democracy, we want the leftist, anti-American, white hating One and his wife, ‘Give us the Obamas”

 
 
 

Comment by Obama is a bum | 2008-08-15 01:37:37

You’re probably too young to vote and I will assume you are a racist unless you present me with a certificate signed by Filthy Phleger indicating that you are not racist — in that case you may be classified as a lunatic.

Comment by Pink Panther | 2008-08-15 02:03:18

You are correct; Obama is a bum and a racist and a sexist.

 
 

Comment by Pink Panther | 2008-08-15 01:44:35

Obama attended a racist church for 20 years which preached based on Black Liberation Theology.

Obama got married in that church and had his children attend and baptized in that church.

Obama wrote in his autobiography, Dreams of My Father: A Story of Race & Inheritance, “That’s just how white folks will do you.”

Obama referred to his grandmother as a “typical white person.”

Obama associated with Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, Bill Ayers, Faher Michael Pflger and Rashid Khalidi.

Castro, Gaddafi, Kim Jong, Hamas and Hugo Chavez have all voiced support for Obama.

Obama states he believes in equal pay but pays the women working in his Senate office less than the men working on his staff, according to a Report of the Secretary of the Senate.

Obama and the new Democratic Party are racist, sexist and a party of hate.

 

Comment by Roonie in PA | 2008-08-15 02:22:13

If you ever had another thought, besides calling us racists, maybe people would take you a little more seriously.
We are practicing active democracy. Maybe you just haven’t SEEN IT before.
FDR & John Kennedy were nominated from the floor of the democratic convention. Maybe you’re not old enough either to know your country’s history.
I think you are a racist. have A GDNITE

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-08-15 04:33:21

No one here would ever take sfhillary / ted / debbie / believe seriously.

Comment by Obama is a bum | 2008-08-15 05:38:45

They are nothing but Communists for Obama.

 
 
 

Comment by Hillztheone | 2008-08-15 02:33:36

After being called a “typical white person” by Senator Obama….I’m racist??? Sounds like to me you had a fight with the wife and needed to blow off some steam. Or maybe your Volvo did not start today….take your meds, get some rest…and don’t bother calling us in the morning. Racist is as racist does.

 

Comment by Ai1een | 2008-08-15 22:28:55

Ohmyvolvo - Nothing written here is even remotely RACIST and yet, just because we oppose Obama…your tired accusation gets thrown out there based upon…absolutely nothing. You don’t support Hillary, - therefore, based upon your logic - YOU MUST BE A SEXIST PIG.

 
 

Comment by NOBAMA | 2008-08-15 00:05:44

DO IT NOW.

If Obama is disqualified now Hillary can save the Democratic Party. She is a shoe-in to win, unlike Obama.

If you don’t act now the GOP will do it for you. It will be too late for Hillary to save us and McCain will be president.

Either way Obama is out. At the very least we know he is involved in forgery and he is a liar.

 

Comment by artsykr | 2008-08-15 00:13:34

This goes to “Content of Character” nicely done…and thanks for all of the hard work….

Comment by Pink Panther | 2008-08-15 02:05:51

“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.” (emphasis added.)

Martin Luther King, Jr.

 
 

Comment by Hillcrat | 2008-08-15 00:20:20

Does anyone know what name Barry Oblahma/Soetoro used on his marriage certificate??

Would that make Michelle “I hate America” Oblahma/Soetoro not legally married to Barry??

I have to say I don’t trust the DNC and the media stating Hillary’s name will be in nomination…I don’t think I could EVER trust the DNC again…Never! Will be keeping my guard up…

PUMA!

Comment by Mirlo | 2008-08-15 04:37:09

check out Heidi Li’s blog on this, she doesn’t trust them either

 

Comment by heather | 2008-08-15 08:50:31

Unfortunately, I trust them entirely to put her name in nomination. Because, the fix is in and she’ll get very few votes. Then they’ll be able to claim — with a lot more legitimacy than they could otherwise — that she “lost fair and square, now shut up and sit down PUMAs.” It will make us all look bad, but I still won’t be able to get behind Obama.

This strikes me as one deep philosophical difference that divides the PUMA movement. Many of us just wanted Hillary to get the respect she deserved and will/may be ready to support the party once that is achieved. Others of us (and I count myself as one) cannot support Obama under any circumstances.

 
 

Comment by TeakwoodKite | 2008-08-15 00:28:14

Certified mail ASAP.

 

Comment by Ellen D | 2008-08-15 00:38:45

I trust the California Secretary of State, Debra Bowen. If I can squeeze this in on my lunch hour I’ll do it and mail it off.

Comment by Marie | 2008-08-15 00:49:16

Ellen D
I already called the elections division within Debra Bowen’s organization and they said there is nothing they can do before he applies to be on the ballot in California. But maybe Debra herself will know what to do.

 

Comment by TeakwoodKite | 2008-08-15 00:53:29

I trust her to a point, Ellen D. The Secretary of State did a great job in getting those Electronic machines dumped. But I would also recommend that the same letter be sent to the State Attorney General as well.

“although I am a life-long registered democrat”…

Might I suggest that party affiliation not be included and taking a “citizen of the State of _____” approach would compliment the Constitutional aspects of the proffer.

Asking for public certification of any findings writing to get them on record would be appropriate.

Thanks Dr. Kate!

Comment by TeakwoodKite | 2008-08-15 00:54:41

…IN writing..

Comment by Pink Panther | 2008-08-15 02:14:26

Remember the Office of Attorney General is held by Jerry Brown, who is running for Governor. He is a Democrat but will probably run on law and order issues as well as environmental issues (e.g., global warming).

 

Comment by no waffles aka drkate | 2008-08-15 10:39:05

thank you very much for suggestions, will do. thanks for helping with this effort! I am desperate to get this information out!

 
 

Comment by no waffles aka drkate | 2008-08-15 22:29:55

 
 

Comment by heather | 2008-08-15 08:52:27

Me too! That will probably make exactly two of us in CA sending these letters. :) But heck at least WE will feel we did what we could.

BTW whose congressional district are you in? I’m in Anna Eshoo’s and I’ve loved her for a long time, but she came out early for Obama even though Hillary actually took this district, so I’m a bit torn.

 
 

Comment by Treading Water | 2008-08-15 00:48:31

Let’s Play a Game: Who Am I?

I was born in the US in the early 60’s

I am a Leo

Some of my grandparents were not US citizens

One of my parents is a dual citizen

I graduated a private college-prep HS in Hawaii

I was a basketball star

In my teens I went overseas

I have done community work

I went to two different undergraduate Colleges

I studied Law

I started my career in the lower 48/mainland US

I am personable and can adapt to most situations

People look to me for answers

This is my bio from birth to early 30’s

Who Am I?

……. with only this information will you vote for me for POTUS?

Comment by Barry Soetoro, Is That You? | 2008-08-15 02:17:05

Barry Soetoro, Is that You?

I vote based on the content of people’s character. Therefore, you will not get my vote.

Comment by roseeriter | 2008-08-15 05:19:55

Barry was a basketball star??? wow now I’ll vote for him..i luv stars!!!!

NOBAMA!

Comment by Obama is a bum | 2008-08-15 05:47:33

I know he was not a bowling star with a score of 37. But Obama likes residing in the gutter that is why he moved to Chicago and befriended the gutter crowd of Wright, Ayers, Meeks, and Phleger. Can’t find a more pathetic crowd than that.

 
 
 

Comment by andySF | 2008-08-15 02:19:47

Of course not. That’s like half of the adult in this country, not everyone of them qualify to be president.

Comment by Treading Water | 2008-08-15 04:08:35

I could be Barry Soetoro/Obama with this bio but in no way does this qualify to be POYUS-
——————————
So why is it that Barry/Barack Obama/Soetoro thinks he qualifies? Would you trust your family”s lives with him???

Comment by andySF | 2008-08-15 10:40:58

When did you ever see me voice support for that fraud?

 
 
 

Comment by Steve1 | 2008-08-15 07:45:44

Can I ask a question? Do you like riding Limos with complete strangers on the streets of Chicago and smoking on a little glass pipe with some type of substance in it?

 

Comment by Blu | 2008-08-15 08:08:23

One of my parents is a dual citizen

It’s my understanding that his mother was a US citizen and his father was Kenyan. Which parent is a dual citizen? Did his father get US citizenship?

Comment by no waffles aka drkate | 2008-08-15 16:27:22

mother may have had Indonesian citizenship when she married Soetoro.