Georgia v. Russia: “The 3 a.m. Phone Call is Real”
By NoQuarter on August 14, 2008 at 3:00 PM in Barack Obama, Foreign Policy, John McCain, Russia
Real Clear Politics, Mona Charen, August 14, 2008:
It was a near perfect laboratory test — the sort that real life rarely provides until it’s too late — for how the two nominees for president would respond to an international emergency. (It also tested the current president — more on that in a moment.) Sen. Obama flunked. His first response was to urge restraint upon “both sides” — that is upon the rapist and the rape victim.
Of Note: For those with questions about this complex issue, the New York Times is taking questions and providing answers. It is also notable that some of the British press has an entirely different view: “This is a tale of US expansion not Russian aggression,” the UK’s The Guardian. On the other end of the spectrum is Charles Krauthammer. His column in today’s Washington Post: “How to Stop Putin” (posted at RealClearPolitics.com).
Here is the latest statement from John McCain (we didn’t get yesterday’s up, so I am posting that below):
“This small democracy, far away from our shores, is an inspiration to all those who cherish our deepest ideals. As I told President Saakashvili on the day the cease-fire was declared, today we are all Georgians. We mustn’t forget it.” — John McCain
“We Are All Georgians” | by John McCain
The Wall Street Journal | August 14, 2008
For anyone who thought that stark international aggression was a thing of the past, the last week must have come as a startling wake-up call. After clashes in the Georgian region of South Ossetia, Russia invaded its neighbor, launching attacks that threaten its very existence. Some Americans may wonder why events in this part of the world are any concern of ours. After all, Georgia is a small, remote and obscure place. But history is often made in remote, obscure places.
As Russian tanks and troops moved through the Roki Tunnel and across the internationally recognized border into Georgia, the Russian government stated that it was acting only to protect Ossetians. Yet regime change in Georgia appears to be the true Russian objective.
Two years ago, I traveled to South Ossetia. As soon as we arrived at its self-proclaimed capital — now occupied by Russian troops — I saw an enormous billboard that read, “Vladimir Putin, Our President.” This was on sovereign Georgian territory.
Russian claims of humanitarian motives were further belied by a bombing campaign that encompassed the whole of Georgia, destroying military bases, apartment buildings and other infrastructure, and leaving innocent civilians wounded and killed. As the Russian Black Sea Fleet began concentrating off of the Georgian coast and Russian troops advanced on one city after another, there could be no doubt about the nature of their aggression.
Despite a French-brokered cease-fire — which worryingly does not refer to Georgia’s territorial integrity — Russian attacks have continued. There are credible reports of civilian killings and even ethnic cleansing as Russian troops move deeper into Georgian territory.
Moscow’s foreign minister revealed at least part of his government’s aim when he stated that “Mr. Saakashvili” — the democratically elected president of Georgia — “can no longer be our partner. It would be better if he went.” Russia thereby demonstrated why its neighbors so ardently seek NATO membership.
In the wake of this crisis, there are the stirrings of a new trans-Atlantic consensus about the way we should approach Russia and its neighbors. The leaders of Poland, Estonia, Lithuania, Ukraine and Latvia flew to Tbilisi to demonstrate their support for Georgia, and to condemn Russian aggression. The French president traveled to Moscow in an attempt to end the fighting. The British foreign minister hinted of a G-8 without Russia, and the British opposition leader explicitly called for Russia to be suspended from the grouping.
The world has learned at great cost the price of allowing aggression against free nations to go unchecked. A cease-fire that holds is a vital first step, but only one. With our allies, we now must stand in united purpose to persuade the Russian government to end violence permanently and withdraw its troops from Georgia. International monitors must gain immediate access to war-torn areas in order to avert an even greater humanitarian disaster, and we should ensure that emergency aid lifted by air and sea is delivered.
We should work toward the establishment of an independent, international peacekeeping force in the separatist regions, and stand ready to help our Georgian partners put their country back together. This will entail reviewing anew our relations with both Georgia and Russia. As the NATO secretary general has said, Georgia remains in line for alliance membership, and I hope NATO will move ahead with a membership track for both Georgia and Ukraine.
At the same time, we must make clear to Russia’s leaders that the benefits they enjoy from being part of the civilized world require their respect for the values, stability and peace of that world. The U.S. has cancelled a planned joint military exercise with Russia, an important step in this direction.
The Georgian people have suffered before, and they suffer today. We must help them through this tragedy, and they should know that the thoughts, prayers and support of the American people are with them. This small democracy, far away from our shores, is an inspiration to all those who cherish our deepest ideals. As I told President Saakashvili on the day the cease-fire was declared, today we are all Georgians. We mustn’t forget it.
Wednesday, August 13, 2008:
IN CASE YOU MISSED IT:
John McCain On Georgia
“The situation in Georgia remains perilous. … The President’s statement of support for Georgia at this time is of critical importance not only to the Georgian people but to all countries that are closely monitoring Russian activities and actions.” — John McCain
John McCain
Media Availability
Birmingham, MI
August 13, 2008
John McCain: “The situation in Georgia remains perilous. I am pleased by President Bush’s statement this morning, and I support the various steps he outlined including the dispatch of Secretary Rice to Georgia and Europe, the delivery of humanitarian supplies to Georgia by sea and air, and U.S. insistence on Russian compliance with the terms of the ceasefire, which includes the withdrawal of all of its military forces from Georgia. The President’s statement of support for Georgia at this time is of critical importance, not only to the Georgian people but to all countries that are closely monitoring Russian activities and actions.
“I welcome President Sarkozy’s mediation and that of the European Union. I am concerned that the ceasefire agreement omitted any reference to Georgia’s territorial integrity. And, it’s clear that Russia is continuing military operations against Georgian targets despite the agreement, including in areas far from South Ossetia. I am deeply disturbed by reports of looting, burning villages, and killings of civilians that are in areas under Russian control. Anyone committing human rights abuses or acts in violation of the laws of war should be held accountable.
“At a time of high energy prices and instability in global markets, it’s important to understand that events in Georgia — part of a strategic energy corridor — affects individual lives far beyond the Caucasus. Because of the fighting, the Baku-Supsa oil pipeline has been shut down at a time when the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline is also closed. Those pipelines are critical for transporting oil from sources in the Caspian to points west.
“The United States has canceled a planned joint military operation with Russia, but we will now need to review the full range of our relations. With our NATO allies, we must address the future of the alliance’s relationship with Russia and with our G7 partners. We should discuss whether it makes sense for Russia to continue its participation in the G8. We’ll also need to review Russia’s aspiration for membership in the World Trade Organization.
“In addition, I urge discussions about an international peacekeeping operation, including canvassing nations for possible contributions to such a force. NATO should also begin anew, the discussions about a membership track for both Georgia and Ukraine. After the events of the past six days, no one should wonder why countries on Russia’s periphery so ardently seek the security guarantees that alliance membership represents.
“The situation in Georgia remains fluid and dangerous. As soon as possible, my colleagues Senator Lieberman and Senator Graham will be traveling to Georgia. They’re both members of the Senate Armed Services Committee. I hope that other members of the Armed Services Committee in the Senate and they will go together and receive an assessment of the situation and what we need to do in the future to avoid further escalation and also to protect the independence and freedom of the people of this brave democratic ally, the country of Georgia. Thank you.”
Watch John McCain’s Remarks
On Monday, we published “Updates on Georgia Crisis + John McCain’s Latest Detailed Statement [Update].”
On Sunday, we published “WHAT THEY’RE SAYING: John McCain “Prescient” On Russia And Putin.” On Saturday, Larry Johnson wrote “Obama’s Impending Pearl Harbor” — a must-read — and we have also published LisaB’s report, ““From Milk Toast Internationalist to Brave McCain-Like Warrior. . . In under 24 hours.,” “,” Saturday’s “John McCain’s Second Statement on the Crisis in Georgia,” and Friday’s original report, “McCain on Crisis in Georgia [Updates].”
OF NOTE: While this blog does not, and has no plans to, endorse John McCain for president, we continue to be impressed with his in-depth knowledge of the crisis in Georgia, and how very important it is to distinguish his statements from the single, vague statement by Barack Obama that any ignorant public relations person could have cobbled together!


I just read on Hillbuzz that they found a Barack Hussein M.Obama birth born on August 23, 1961 in Canada…..
Link?
ok so is there any recent news on what’s happening today? I’ve been gone from TV News and NET most of the day?
Is the cease fire really holding?
I heard something about that being phony as well?
Latest reports are that the Russians are still breaking the cease fire and Georgia reports that a column of 100 Russian tanks are rolling down the Black Sea coast to the port town of Poti.
This is just not a good situation.
That’s been disproven as a hoax. I read it here or on a similar blog.
It’s Canada now?
What happened to Kenya? An Indonesia?
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That is very coincidental however, I cannot see why we keep questioning this stuff. This country has larger issues. Whether it is Obama or McCain, Neither are good for the US right now. We somehow need to be a friend to the world rather than inflicting our might right now. We are sleeping and allowing our greatest strength to further degrade (education of our young). When will we wake up. Obama was born in the U.S.; candidates have background and Security checks done to verify eligibilty. No matter who the president is, he/she can’t get anything done alone. We the people of the USA need to find an area of improvement and dedicate time there to make our own changes. We talk about a democracy, but I always hear how much the people disapprove of the President and the Candidates rather than exercising their rights as free citizens to make changes within their scope of influence. You don’t need the President to do that.
“We somehow need to be a friend to the world rather than inflicting our might right now.”
The “world” seems to be behind Georgia on this, we’re helping them, the victims of Russian aggression, and if you think that’s “inflicting our might” then it’s not our young who need a better education.
Really, there’s only so much clueless, sappy one-world pacifism a person can take.
The time seems to be taking the Obama approach of no one is guilty. Georgia’s increase in military spending was done to bring their military more in line with NATO standards, not to piss off Russia (also it was only about 5 or 7% of their GDP not 15%). Not to mention the idea that a country cannot do what it will with its money and military inside its own borders without it being an act of aggression in beyond unbelievable. It is truly blaming a rape victim for the rape because of what she was wearing.
And what do they mean “no evidence troops were in Gori”? There’s plenty of reporting. One reporter from Reuters was on a convoy starting off in Gori and heading towards Tbilisi before it veered off and camped out.
I am not a Georgian or a Russian in this conflict, I am a South Ossetian! Until someone explains to me why the west has the right to decide that South Ossetia has to be a part of Georgia when its people do not want to be and have refused to be a part of Georgia since it broke away from the USSR I have no sympathy for the Georgian government which escalated this conflict by bombing the capital of South Ossetia, killing civilians.
Since the 90’s this impoverished, resource-poor area has functioned as a defacto separate nation, but we in the west have decided that they must be part of Georgia. We blather about self-determination but only when it suits out geopolitical interests. (We do not support Kurdish independence either even though they have also been functioning as their own country since the 90’s because it would upset the Turks, not because it is the democratic thing to do.)
According to McClatchy the Bush administration:
“…repeatedly warned Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili to avoid giving the Kremlin an excuse to intervene in his country militarily, U.S. officials said Monday.”
Also this:
“The Russians have clearly overreacted but President Saakashvili . . . for some reason seems to think he has a hall pass from this administration,” said former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/255/v-print/story/47631.html
On top of this we had no clue the Georgians were about to do this. Talk about having no foreign policy credibility and lousy intelligence about a conflict we have been worried about!
Also in the same article our State Department says:
“We thought we had an understanding with the Russians that any response would be South Ossetia-focused. Clearly it’s not.”
So we gave the Russian our OK for them to respond, but them were surprised when they did more than we said was OK with us? Does that make any sense?
None of this means we should ignore Putin’s using this incursion as an excuse to react with overwhelming force. We cannot ignore it, particularly since he has brutally invaded Georgia proper. It looks to me like everybody is wrong on this one - except the South Ossetians who want to be independent.
We stood back and implicitly encouraged the Russians to take stern and violent measures against Chechnya, so we should not be surprised when the Russian bear gores our ox as well. I’m surprised that Russia did not take more stern measures with Kosovo, but then maybe that was because they had no oil or pipelines that were beyond their control.
Well, according to McCain, this is about Jesus and oil.
Were you born stupid or did you work really hard to get that way? Just curious.
Wow, what a poignant and intelligent comeback. I guess that completely discredits everything that was said.
Yep, call them stupid or a moron and that means you win because you have so intelligently disputed each and every statement made by them by doing so.
Who needs debating skills anymore? Just call your opponent “stupid” or something as equally childish and you automatically win! Maybe that’ll work for obamasoetoro when he debates McCain. He can just say “Yeah, but you’re old and wrinkly and I have shiny teeth!” and he automatically wins the debate and all those who were against him before are suddenly moved to give their votes to him, even the die-hard republicans who have been in the party for 50 years or more.
Why didn’t anyone think of this before!!!!
Susan,
Why are you promoting hard right neo con writers on this blog?
Mona Charen
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Mona Charen is a nationally syndicated columnist, political analyst, and the author of two best-selling books, Useful Idiots: How Liberals Got it Wrong in the Cold War and Still Blame America First (2003) and Do-Gooders: How Liberals Harm Those They Claim to Help — and the Rest of Us (2005). She typically writes about foreign policy, terrorism, politics, and culture.
Where are your progressive research pieces on this conflict like you used to write about Sudan on dkos?
Spiegle in Germany is reporting that Russia might not have even entered Gori.
Why is LJ promoting GOP cold war redeux talking points?
Dritches Go to your beloved fake MSM cable outlets, they are reporting and showing pics and videos of the Russians in Gori! I guess you are an appoloogist? You still believe OJ is innocent! Now stop spreading lies.
So I guess the film footage of American correspondents leaving Gori [on an advanced warning] then filming countless Russian armored vehicles and tanks entering Gori was doctored? A smear against the peace-loving Russians who, of course, have never cooked the books, served fiction for fact or proven their capacity for disinformation and brutality.
Don’t believe your lying eyes, eh? An Obama, Kool-aid doctrine if ever there was one.
Get real!
Why can’t I say that both the Russians and Georgians are to blame for this, and save a couple big slices of blame for George W. Bush, who screwed over the military, American moral authority, and diplomatic whatever, and his li’l buddy John McCain, whose chief international adviser is a lobbyist for Georgia?
It’s 3am, and somewhere there’s a phone ringing.
But it doesn’t matter, because George W. Bush and John McCain have screwed the country over so much that whoever answers it has no options.
Brain freeze from the cult-aid dritches? Might want to breath deep, put the cult-aid and cheetos down and join reality.
Nobama!!!!!
One of the things that sets this blog apart from many others is that it allows differences of opinions. I’m very opposed to the far fringe right thinking and ideas, but, if they aren’t calling people morons, or swearing at them or seriously disrupting the board or preventing someone else from having their say, my own personal feeling is that they have the same
rightpriveledge to post as I do.Blogs are not “democracies”, they are dictatorships and the owner of the blog is the dictator. You can have dictators who try to be democratic and allow freedom of speech or you can have dictators who are totalatarian (I didn’t spell that right, I know) and allow only what they agree with.
What makes NoQuarter and TexasDarlin different from many blogs is the willingness of the owners and authors to allow these differences of opinion. They go even further, they even allow some of the trolls who aren’t plain out vulgar to have their say as well. This is one of the many reasons that I respect these two blogs and the people that run them.
It’s easy to take down any oposing views or posts, however, it’s hard to take a stand and allow those who criticize you, disagree with you or even taunt you to have their say. It’s this integrity, this morality and this true patriotism for the rights laid forth in the constitution carrying over to a blog where they don’t have to be upheld, but are anyway, that makes NoQuarter and TexasDarlin the TRUE Jouralists they are.
With that being said, I have no issue with taking down those who come just to be trolls and would not hold that against their integrity in any way. I’ve not seen them do that,and the filters pick up most of it, but if they did, they would be justified in doing so.
From the movie “An American President”, The POTUS declared that supporting freedom of speech sometimes supporting the right of someone else to shout from the rooftops that which you believe to your very core to be wrong (paraphrased).
Sorry for the very long post, but this is one of the many reasons I admire this and TD’s blogs so much.
I wouldn’t be so quick to side with Georgia, either. Saakashvili is really not a leader the US should trust. He’s a nutcase.
Saakashvili is trouble with a capital T…
http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=295154
So you don’t want to be part of Russia either? Or am I missing something?
The South Ossetians want independence but clearly prefer to be within the Russian umbrella. From what I read they have nothing of value so why is Georgia so hell bent on including them in their country. This will only weaken Georgia in the end - these situations do not work out well even without powerful nations using them as proxies in their disputes. Just look what happened in Ireland for all those years. If these people who are no threat to anyone want to be on their own, let them.
They don’t have anything of their own, but the pipeline goes that way, so….
I am sure happy that I am not the only person that feels this way. This is an issue between that affects those directly involved and the West has no jurisdiction here. For those that seem to be unable to justify Russia’s actions (even if overkill), I would like to see if they can justify the overkill “Shock and Awe” inflicted on the Iraqi’s. It is the same issue so you can’t call one right and the other wrong. So now look at the circumstances of why it was done. We have a people that have clearly said they do not want to be a part of the country that is trying to make them a part. There is a clear case here whereas we have yet to see one weapon of mass distruction recently. (I know there were such weapons during Dessert Storm because I was there and I saw scuds fly over head. The inspectors found none there right before the US invaded) Given that, tell me what is really justified.
“His first response was to urge restraint upon “both sides” — that is upon the rapist and the rape victim.”
That’s a great article, Susan. Mona Charen nailed it with that sentance.
I read some of Obama’s statments about the conflict in Kenya and felt the same way. He was basically advising the Kenyans to just chill, like he didn’t understand that people were being locked in churches and burnt to death.
For me, beyond the disagreement I have with him over how to frame the issue, he is just inept. He actually was dumb enough to call for UN Security Council resolution, with Russia as a permanent member. Regardless of his beliefs, he’s just unaware of reality. Just clueless.
Since it was his cousins supporters doing the killing I think there lies the answer. He also knew that Ordinga was going after either a shared Presidency or Prime Minister. Condi went over there and insisted that the elected president create the office of Prime Minister. (I lost respect for her over that.) I wonder if Obama will insist on being PM here when he loses?
He has the UN in the USA for some reason.
His first response was to mumble and stumble his way through a thorougly lame analysis of the situation on the ground. His second and third response was to guage the public mood, look at McCain’s unequivocal statement, and then “refine” his first position, calling it his own all along.
This is the guy who leans over in class and copies your test answers because he’s not prepared.
This is a man who is way over his head. And remember, Obama has a staff of 300 advisors on foreign policy, a mobile State Department. And this is what we get.
There is no comparison. Susan Rice can keep screaming that McCain is bellicose and shooting from the hip. She only sounds as idiotic and pathetically unprepared as the man she’s working for.
John McCain’s statement was written by a lobbyist for Georgia. Probably was written several weeks ago. Russian opinion makers seem to think Dick Cheney was behind the Georgian aggression in South Ossetia, and Karl Rove was “vacationing” in the region last month when he was supposed to be testifying before congress.
But hey, whatever it takes for your to maintain your blind hatred.
This is WAY OFF TOPIC…but, if you are frustrated and tired, it may be something to read…
CHANGE–Anybody Can Do It!! (How to Fool “The System”…)
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Before we get too gung-ho here, how many of you are willing to sacrifice American lives for Georgia?
I’m not.
Come on Ivory Bill - we all know that this (like most international flare-ups these days) is about oil, natural gas and pipelines, and the control of those resources. Democracy and Georgia are just the window dressings.
Bingo.
The point is, America must stand with it’s allies especially one that stood with us in Iraq.
Pressure on Russia does not necessarily translate to the loss of American lives, there is quite a bit that can be done.
Like what?
Weapons sales?
Training?
Logistical support?
Those have already been done.
Sanctions? Not bloody Likely.
Larry claims Russia has spies in Georgia, and then in the next sentence claims the speedy reaction to the Georgian offensive is proof the counterstrike was planned ahead.
He never mentions that the opportunistic moves by the Georgians on the day of the Olympic ceremonies must have been planned in advance, and therefore susceptible to the Russian espionage efforts.
The real question is what larry gets from promoting a return to the cold war era.
Maybe he is a foreign lobbyist for the Georgian government, too.
We are all paid $200,000 by Georgia now!!!!!
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html
What do you get as an Obamabot?
Barry Soetoro, a.k.a. Obama, will hand the keys to Russia.
He has held so many secret meetings lately, it wouldn’t be surprising that Putin has been in one of the meetings.
“offensive is proof the counterstrike was planned ahead”
You always have contingency plans: Everybody keeps alternative war plans, even for the US invasion of England or Canada in War Plan Red. Johnson just got carried away a bit with hyperbole since Russia’s interests do not align with ours here.
That they have spies in Georgia is a no brainer, hell’s bells the fucking Russians have spies everywhere.
In Georgia they better well have good intelligence because of the past conflict in the region. There have been RUSSIAN PEACEKEEPERS IN SOUTH OSSETIA SINCE 1992. There isn’t any use for peacekeeping if the chance of conflict is slight.
“He never mentions that the opportunistic moves by the Georgians on the day of the Olympic ceremonies must have been planned in advance”
Here you lose me a bit, perhaps you were carried away in a nastygram to Johnson.
You always plan invasions, so what’s the point? If you don’t you might as well stick a gun in your mouth.
As to the opportunistic move, well Saakashvili is a New York lawyer, and if that doesn’t define opportunism, nothing does.
Furthermore opportunistic is far from it: It was a really stupid bonehead play to try to pull off a coup de main when your main support against the old Red Army is overextended and it’s leaders off on a junket half a world away. I think we have stumbled across a leader that is more of a fuckwit than Bush, if that be possible.
better Georgia than Iraq.
look at drudgereport.com, this is not good. Bombing all airports, 100 tanks pushing through Georgia…
I’m not suprised by Guardian’s article. The west europe is living on Russia’s natural gas whereas none of the countries in east europe want anything to do with it. We don’t even want their pipes here. Because we know Putin is all about demands, threats and pushy politics whereas the west is too naive to see who they’re dealing with. He will take any excuse to send troops to foreign soil (Estonia, anyone?) and punish countries refusing to play by his rules (Ukraine, anyone?) Just wait and see when the gas prices go way up and west europe is panicking when the pipes are closed for those who aren’t paying.
Russia’s army planes are constantly flying in everyone’s airspace, all the countries are being told what they must or musn’t do. According to them all the EU countries are seen as enemies, NATO countries will be targeted with missiles. Finland wants to join NATO but they’re afraid after seeing the treatment Georgia and Estonia has received and how weak EU and NATO have been.
I’m constantly reminded how blind the west truly is. Even now the media is repeating Russia’s propaganda and blaming the current incident on Georgia. Is Europe really that scared of Russia or just plain moronic? I have to say I’ve always thought of McCain as ‘ok’ but now I’ve really started to like him. It’s time for someone to say STOP to Putin. Do what you want in your country but leave us alone.
Hope - Well you can look to history for European fortitude. Look how they blew the prelude to WW II.
Their fright and lack od courage lead to the worst war the world has ever experienced! They are always looking for the way out which leads them to one disaster to another. I tired of our country expending our youth and wealth to prop up these phonies. No wonder they look to and idiot like Obama, he stands with them “Lets blame the victim!”
after 9/11 Obama said he will stand with the Muslims too….
That’s what I love about americans. You guys have balls.
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller
We are all Georgians today….
Do I wish the USA to get involved in this conflict?
Absolutely no. Do I wish to help the Georgians? For certain I do. This Russian aggression will not stop with Georgia. They are determined to take it all back and beyond. It needs to be stopped now. But not just by the USA. Stop it while the countries that are in the region are still strong. Do not let the bear pick them off, one by one by two. It has to be something the Europeans are involved in. America is seen as the policeman of the world. We are also despised for this, and despised if we don’t as well. That said, read what Pastor Martin Niemöller wrote again.
After Saak.’s attacks on the Ossetians, I do not wish to be called a Georgian. Per the BBC reports, lots of Georgians are pretty upset with Saak. as well.
Check out MoonofAlabama.org’s posts.
That was so cold war.
The goofy shape of Afghanistan is because of the collision of British and Russian imperial interests. We are still paying for that.
We have two countries with some interests that do not coincide. We fuck with them, they fuck with us. That’s the way it always has been and that’s the way it always will be.
Tim Kaine (falsely) credits Obama with instigating a cease-fire in Georgia. Shouldn’t he also be held partly responsible for the attack by Russia in the first place, by not doing his job ofbeing aware of growing threat and preempting it with recomendations to NATO/US.
“Obama is chair of The Subcommittee On European Affairs.
It has Jurisdiction over the countries of Europe, as well as NATO activities. “Jurisdiction: The subcommittee deals with all matters concerning U.S. relations with the countries on the continent of Europe … and with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the European Union and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe.”
He hasn’t convened a single meeting.
Obama has never held a single policy hearing on anything, not Afghanistan, or anywhere else”.
Michael I. Butera, a Clinton delegate “It is as if they are trying to foment a floor fight at the convention,” he said. “Which by the way, is fine with me.
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
Did you read about that dead man in Denver that had a pound of cyanide? The FBI is investigating it to see if it was an act of terrorism. Or going to be rather.
He lived in Canada and had a Middle Eastern name ( I think)Abdirahman Dirie, of Ottawa, Canada.
So you and all the other attendees be careful.
The Ottawa Sun newspaper reported that Dirie was a member of the city’s Somali community and interviewed manager Addirizuk Karod, manager of the Somali Centre for Family Services, who recalled Dirie coming to the center with friends.
citing Mona Charen? Fox news appearances? pimping the swift boat book? what has become of this site?
Castro of Cuba, Gaddafi of Libya, Kim Jong of North Korea, Hamas, and Hugo Chavez of Venezuela have all voiced support for Obama.
Obama associated with Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, Bill Ayers, Faher Michael Pflger and Rashid Khalidi.
Obama attends the Trinity United Church of Christ which gave Farrakhan the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award saying he (Farrankhan) “truly epitomized greatness.”
Obama: “America is no longer what it once was.”
Obama has 0 years experience in the Military.
Obama to Putin, with his friends above, his trolls, supporters and the MSM cheering him on:
What is wrong with this statement?
“Obama: “America is no longer what it once was.””
That’s a plain fact. Bush and his cohorts have FUBAR’ed it for the last 8 years. Do you disagree with that?
Also, perhaps I missed the memo on this one, but does one have to have experience in the military to be president now?
Show us his Selective Service registration. It was the law when he was the age to register. Or did he not register because he is not a citizen of the USA? If he is a citizen and he didn’t register then he broke the law.
Show us his Selective Service registration
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-did-obama-actually-register-for-selective-service/2/
Will you shut up now?
That doesn’t prove jack shit, we need more tahn just someone claiming he did. Colour me jaded. But you and Barky are liars.
This information is available under FOIA.
You can file your own request. Very easy. Something tells me you’re two much of a coward to do so. And you’ll just shift the goalposts when if you did file your own request.
Now what country does he have dual citizenship with since you got punked on Kenya?
Let me give you a bit of advice, moron. If you really do want your idol Oblahblah to get elected, this is a really stupid way to go about it. But you keep on going; the more you post and weaken the nation, the more firm we are in our resolve to ensure that the pretender loses in November.
You people are Republican frauds who were never going to vote for Obama anyway.
Obama owes you psychos jack squat.
So keep peddling the Selective Service lie, and the 18 million strong Puma lie, and the Whitey Tape lie.
Keep standing shoulder to shoulder with a check forger in Larry Sinclair, A proffessed racist in Paula Abeles, A craven liar in Will Bower (where’s that 10 mil buddy?) and a 9/11 conspiracy nut in Jerome Corsi.
Keep coming to the blog written by a man who though terrorism wasn’t a problem 2 months before 9/11.
Keep calling Michelle Obama King Kong, and Obama supporters Wild Savages, and Obama himself an affirmative action.
Keep calling him HUSSEIN.
We will come here and mock you and expose you for the unhingesd racists, frauds, and Republicans you really are. You do not matter. You will fail. I guarantee it.
Like Susan said in the above article,
UMMMM,
Have you ever heard of HIPPA?
The person you link to, Bob Owens could not have gotten an email revealing SS info from another person.
He claims to have not used FOIA, he just asked and they sent him an email. He also will not give an actual copy of that email with the header information. Why? He is a liar and has no proof.
Who do you think you can fool with your foolishness and for how long?
We aren’t republicans, we are Hillary supporters, but when the Republicans carry out their blitz on ob, we will be nodding and saying “BINGO”
Oh and ummmm,
it was an AA Pastor who called her KK, some of us just found it a bit humorous. After all we are the ones who had to deal with Bros before Hoes and Mo wanting to scratch Bill’s eyes out.
Besides that, I got really sick of obots using the race and the republican card against me a very long time ago.
Back in January it had already annoyed me to no end and I used to defend myself.
Then I finally realized the obots are the racists and the dividers. They are the liars and the mean spirited goons. They are the ones who will cause a sure Democratic party defeat due to their cult like support of a very weak, flawed and dangerous candidate.
Go ahead and keep on attacking us here. Oborg nastiness, lies, see- through feeble psy-ops, etc. spread across the internet have resulted in more people to run from supporting ob than everyone at this site, combined, have done with all our posts.
And when you register to run as a candidate, take out a student loan, social security card, etc. you have to list all your past known names(not to mention a passport).
Yes, there is a great deal wrong with your logic, as well as Obama’s logic.
How many years are we going to go back?
America is greater in many ways than it once was.
America has significantly improved its telecommunication system over the last several years. The list goes on and on but I’m not going to waste my time on someone who is irrational.
Upgraded the telecom system? Well, that’s just peachy. Meanwhile, Bush and co. just dropped half a trillion dollars on an ill-conceived war and mortgaged our children’s financial future away with tax cuts for the rich. So yes, America is no longer what it once was, and not for the better. It’s blindingly obvious to anyone, except perhaps a deranged PUMA.
If you support Obama, then you support Bush 3. You are not very smart, or well-educated, are you? Is that why Obama only pays you minimum wage to troll for him?
If you were smart, you would have already known the following minimum wage troll:
Let’s face it-Obama is a globalist and America and American workers are not first on his list of concerns. Obama is no different than Bush.
You support Bush 3. Ha ha. You are the equivalent of a neo-con.
And so your want to fubar it some more by trying to get that half-wit OBush III from who-knows-where elected. For the record, you and your fellow travelers are part of the problem, Goober.
This site, like PUMA itself is a GOP fraud.
Where’s the 10million PUMA bucks that were supposed to pay of Hillary’s debt?
Or the Million emails in your pro-Hillary campaign?
Barry Barack Hussein Obama Soetotos is a name CHANGE you can believe in.
Ha Ha Ha, Funny! Don’t forget, he loves to ride in Limos, makes him feel even more important. According to a Larry Sinclair, “thats not the only emotion he enjoys on those limo rides!
Yeah, the Larry Sinclair who has a disbarred lawyer who wears a kilt? And makes his livehood forging checks? That Larry Sinclair?
WHere’s the 10million Puma Buck?
Where’s the Whitey tape?
How many of you signed that petition?
Republican frauds, the lot of you.
ummmm Where is Obama’s original BC? Where are his medical records? ummmmm, where are his records from his Illinois senate days? ummmm
Where are his HLR articles? ummmmm