Will Barry Soetoro Be a Problem for Barack? (Update)
By Larry Johnson on August 16, 2008 at 3:52 PM in Current Affairs
When did Barack Obama become Barack Obama? There is now overwhelming evidence that for a significant portion of his childhood the man we now know as Barack Obama had a different legal name–he was Barry Soetoro. Both Texas Darlin and Matthew Weaver have written about the document that the Associated Press turned up showing Barack aka Barry registered at a Catholic school as a citizen of Indonesia and a muslim.
Inside Edition has done a story that features this document:
Here’s what we know for sure:
Barack/Barry’s birth father was a non-practicing muslim from Kenya. Barack Obama of Kenya was a defacto polygamist but this had nothing to do with a deeply held religious believe.
When Barack/Barry’s mom, Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro Barack/Barry was adopted and became legally known as Barry Soetoro. Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate was updated to reflect that fact sometime between 1965 and 1969.
In Indonesia Barry Soetoro (the man we now know as Barack) was considered to be a muslim and learned the muslim call to prayer. However, when Barry Soetoro moved back to Hawaii to live with his non-muslim grandparents we have no evidence that he continued to identify himself as a practicing muslim. I do not know why the Obama campaign allows this cloud to linger because the Republican machine will succeed in forcing him to concede that as a child he practiced Islam.
Matthew Weaver listed eight questions he would like answered. I have a much simpler list:
1. When did you change your name legally to Barack Obama? Why?
2. When did you renounce your Indonesian citizenship that came to you by virtue of your adoption by Lolo Soetoro?
What is fascinating in watching the video above that seeks to debunk the notion that Barack is a closet muslim is that all of his schoolmates know him and refer to him as BARRY. So Barry Soetoro, what is the real story?
UPDATE: Here’s the point the Obama crew fails to grasp. I am not alleging he did anything illegal or wrong, but his refusal to answer these questions in a simple, clear manner keeps the issue alive. And the Republicans are not going to give him a pass on these matters. They will insist on getting the answers. And the pressure will increase dramatically once the conventions are done. At that point Barack/Barry’s ability to talk about issues will be drowned out by the insistent demands that he “come clean.” The refusal to address these questions in a straightforward manner will simply reinforce the suspicion that he is hiding something. If the Democrats want to spend the fall dealing with he issues of his identity then they are likely to get their wish. It is simply amazing that these matters have not be cleared up by now.
Where did the blogroll link to Texas Darlin go?
I had it removed because of a personality clash. I wish her well but don’t need the additional baggage she brings. I don’t have time for drama queens but I do respect her work. I find her too high maintenance.
huh?
is this the real Larry or are you “Snatch” the Identity-Snapping Troll?
high maintenance? you’ve not met my Daughter! lol
all kidding aside but I’ve posted over there a few times and hope I’m not NOW in trouble for adding my name over there?
(scratching my head) don’t need to know but am just shocked you’d come out with all of that here unless….
nevermind
It’s fake Larry Johnson!
I’m Larry Johnson
No.. wait I’m Spartacus
or is it.. I’m Batman
I’m sorry to hear that, but I know this sort of thing happens. I won’t ask questions to put you on the spot or ask you to defend her work on the history of Obama. I just want to know if you stand behind the AP photo because I have done a lot of separate work on my own to gain the notice of those who could make his lie on the Application to the Bar public. I have always seen that as a potential problem for him. Disbarment is not to be taken lightly and would accomplish what I would like to see happen which is the removal of his name as the Democratic nominee before Republicans have a chance to make it an issue.
Barry should have been listed as Barry Dunham on his original Birth Certificate,
unless his parents were married at the time, which he claims not to know for sure.
Yeah, an alleged lawyer and POTUS candidate never figured out if he’s a bastard?
So, his last name would have been the same as mother Stan Dunham’s.
Which means that he also didn’t add that name to his IL Bar application.
Oblowme’s BC is either a fake or he redacted where it states that it has been altered.
My suspisian is that is the big problem with the COLB. The original probably identifies Barack as Barry Dunham, his religion is Islamic, and his race is Negro, not African.
That is why the COLB document was altered.
And, The COLB may not prove Barry was born in Hawaii. Hawaii issues COLB’s after the fact, if sworn statements attesting to Hawaiian birth are provided.
It’s possible that Barry, AKA Barack, was issued a “Late” COLB.
Barry could make this whole issue disappear so easily. Unless he can’t, because it’s all true.
The burdon of proof is on Barry.
Or it lists his father as an Arab/African as I have read Kenya listed him as such.
Johnny At Work: Well presented. In the very least Obama paints with a broad brush. Anyone, especially a lawyer educated at Harvard who doesn’t have things to hide, should be able to trace where he was born, if his parents were married at the time and why he/she changed his/her name.
Shouldn’t we expect that from our president or is that just being picky?
is this really Larry Johnson? First question.
Second, it seems a bit misogynist to talk about “drama queens” and “high maintenance”.
Third,did you not see the post by SusanUnPC on ethics of NQ? That if you had a problem you would talk to the person first before printing anything?
Since much of NQ now’s posts relate directly to the discovery of information on TexasDarlin, it would seem respectful to put that blog back on the blogroll.
You have no credibility talking about ethics if it can’t be practiced here. Sorry, that comment seemed unnecessary. I hope you repair the damage you just did to yourself with this comment.
“misogynist to talk about “drama queens” and “high maintenance”.”
“drama queens” and “high maintenance” are universal terms now. I used them to refer to male subordinates, and even superiors, especially the “high maintenance” tag.
We’ve come a long way baby!
I would disagree, since TexasDarlin worked so hard on the issue of Obama’s COLB. It is, I think, sexist to call her “high maintenance” and a “drama queen.” Both were unnecessary comments.
We have no knowledge of what goes on behind these forums. What I did find surprising is that either TD did not know much of her information, had been on Atlas Shrugs months ago. I saw no credit from TD regarding that. I wonder if Pamela was just a tad unhappy about it? This is MY opinion only.
Larry, (if this is really your post) I’m genuine sorry to hear this. Both of you have make extraordinary contributions informing the public on issues that will drastically affect this country and the election. Given the enormous challenges we face and the dire consequence we can expect should we fail, wouldn’t it make more sense to put your differences aside, put the country first and remain united? Perhaps an olive branch is in order.
So…let me get this straight.
you use td’s research, link to her stories, mr. “matthew” comes out of nowhere and “borrows” td’s work while you all sort of put her down.
and she’s the problem?
texasdarlin is the star of this show, larry, sorry.
and btw, your comment is sexist. i really hope it’s not the real you.
get a grip, dude.
the evidence is overwhelming. Yet why has this not reached the MSM? Why are law enforcement agencies or the Illinois bar ignoring this, even though there has been fraud, and a crime has been committed? As usual, these people live in fear of Obama (Soetoro), as anything negative will label them as racist.
There is nothing wrong with being an Indonesian citizen, or a Muslim. What is purely wrong and evil is that Obama (Soetoro) has built his entire campaign on fraud and lies, and continues to lie about it. “I have never been a Muslim”. Who will be the first MSM to call him on this? Will it be Hannity? Why do we have to rely on heroic bloggers, when the MSM ignores the truth? Look what happenned to the Edwards story; the MSm sat on it for ages, until the National enquirer launched it.
I cry for the return to good objective journalism. So what say you journalists……is this why you became journalists? To become the puppet of a candidate? are you proud of yourselves?
the evidence is overwhelming. Yet why has this not reached the MSM? Why are law enforcement agencies or the Illinois bar ignoring this, even though there has been fraud, and a crime has been committed?\
What fraud? The “Full Former name(s)” on the ARDC registration has nothing to do with any former names one may have used prior to practicing law.
From Attorney’s Request for Name Change:
The roll of attorneys is maintained by the Clerk of the Illinois Supreme Court. A lawyer’s name on the Clerk’s roll of attorneys is the name under which the lawyer was admitted to the practice of law in Illinois or, if any name changes have been allowed by the Court, the most recent such change.
In order to change your name on the ARDC master roll, you must file a motion with Clerk of the Supreme Court to change your name on the roll of attorneys. The motion may be in the form of a formal letter. The motion should include the name under which you are listed on the Clerk’s roll of attorneys (usually, the name under which you were originally admitted) and the name you would like to use. If your name change results from a marriage, attach a copy of your marriage license. If your name change results from a dissolution of marriage, attach a copy of the dissolution judgment. While neither copy needs to be certified, it must be a copy of a certified copy. No fee is required.
se
Se, this is, IMO, the issue to concentrate on and that is what I have been doing. It is my understanding he has allowed his licence at the Bar to expire and they have no reason to bring the question to light unless he asked to renew. In that case, they would be faced with a decision about information they should by now know exists. I have been trying to get a response from them and make an Ethics complaint and I understand there is a group in Il doing the same. Out of the many emails I have sent, the one from the IL. Bar Association is the only one where I have received an answer and I’m hopeful. It is a felony to knowingly lie on that application. He could possibly argue a faulty memory since he was a child, but that begs the question, when and if he legally changed his name. Citizenship is not a consideration in that case. It’s the LIE and cover up as always seems to be the case with politicians.
Are you paying attention at all?
The lie is the “evidence” given over at TexasDarlin that Obama had lied to the Illinois Supreme Court.
On the form shown in the graphic? Where it says “Full Former name(s)”? That has absolutely NOTHING to do with any names one used prior to practicing law and registering with ARDC. It ONLY has to do with any former names used SINCE having registered with ARDC.
You follow now? In other words, it’s a red herring. Others made false assumptions as to what it meant.
se
It’s quite obvious that you’re not paying attention. There’ an uncertified COLB on soeBOBO’s fight the smears site and there’s a authenticated photo of seoBOBO’s registration in school with a different name then he is using now. As it stands, we don’t know what seoBOBO’s legal name is.
Oh come on. That is patently false. It has a place for formed names but does not state that is it limited to the just the time since being registered.
If I were to ask you your name, se, I would expect you to give me your name, not just the one you happen to be trolling under today.
Oh come on. That is patently false. It has a place for formed names but does not state that is it limited to the just the time since being registered.
Did you bother to read the ARDC link I provided?
A lawyer’s name on the Clerk’s roll of attorneys is the name under which the lawyer was admitted to the practice of law in Illinois or, if any name changes have been allowed by the Court, the most recent such change.
So, the name that gets put on the roll is the name under which you were admitted to the Bar. There would only be a former name listed if you had subsequently changed your name on the roll by filing a motion with the Clerk of the Supreme Court to do so.
This is evident in the following sentence:
In order to change your name on the ARDC master roll, you must file a motion with Clerk of the Supreme Court to change your name on the roll of attorneys.
So it should be pretty obvious to anyone who actually bothered to read any of this and has at least a modicum of English comprehension skills that the “Full Former name(s)” field is for those who had changed the name on the ARDC roll.
se
We’ll see if a case is made against him. I’m no attorney but then, neither are you. So we’re at an impasse here.
We’ll see if a case is made against him. I’m no attorney but then, neither are you.
Well, as far as the ARDC registration is concerned, which is what has been used by some to claim that Obama has committed a fraud and a crime, I don’t see that you need to be an attorney. You just need to be able to read and comprehend simple English.
se
Oh, and have a little gumption to at least look a little further than what’s been spoon fed to you.
se
Bullshit. The issue has to do with the application for admittance to the bar, not name changes after the fact.
The crap se is spewing in an attempt to divert attention - in true troll fashion -
is a different subject having to do with an attorney’s registered name.
Attorneys aren’t allowed to file pleadings using fictitious names, which is a completely different problem he may have had.
Although it remains to be proven that Oblowme actually practiced law or was properly licensed to do so.
Bullshit. The issue has to do with the application for admittance to the bar, not name changes after the fact.
Again, what’s shown here on TexasDarlin is NOT his application for admittance to the Bar, nor does it have anything to do with his application for admittance to the Bar.
That is just a list of attorneys who have ALREADY BEEN ADMITTED TO THE BAR.
se
ferde, shut up!
What’s up with that?
I am afraid you are the one not paying attention. The question, Have you ever used or been known by a different name is quite clear. Obama and his sister have both suggested he used the name, Barry, as a nick name. If so, it should have been noted on the Bar appl. Period. Anything else is a lie. The Bar Association of IL will make a determination and if it is in his favor, no problem. Why would you believe a lawyer would be permitted to practice before the Bar unless every name the applicant has ever used is not listed? There was a suit filed last month and it hasn’t been dismissed, however, it will take some time. The GE may have already begun and the damage to the Party and country is unknown, but I believe it would be huge. It would be better for everyone involved if he supplied the information NOW.
I am afraid you are the one not paying attention. The question, Have you ever used or been known by a different name is quite clear.
Again, it is you who are not paying attention.
The “Have you ever been known by any other first, middle or last name?” is from question 2A on the Character And fitness Questionnaire for registering for admission to the Bar, which is handled by the Illinois Board of Admissions to the Bar.
The “Full Former name(s)” is from the master roll of the Attorney Registration & disciplinary Commission (ARDC), which is a list of all the attorneys who have been admitted to the Bar.
In other words, question 2A has NOTHING to do with “Full Former name(s).” They’re two different things from two different forms from two different entities.
However some Bozo conflated the two and has tried to pass them off as being one and the same. They’re not.
se
se your reaching and falling flat.
Former names are used for criminal background checks.
Identification of alias is necessary for representatives of the courts.
se your reaching and falling flat.
Former names are used for criminal background checks.
Identification of alias is necessary for representatives of the courts.
Except that is NOT what the “Full Former name(s)” is for on the ARDC registration. It’s for name changes made subsequent to the name you used when you were admitted to the Bar.
se
Like you said you’re no attorney and you also have a reading comprehension problem.
I’ll give you one Obot point for wasting your Saturday night trying to agitate on a website that is less than favorable for Obama.
You can go turn your point in for some more kool-aid.
You inane argument makes one think that you se hasn’t had to fill out anything more important than a app at Burger King.
Obviously you’ve never needed to be fingerprinted or have a background check because of the nature of you employment.
But hey, don’t let that stop you from being a jerk. You’re quite good at being a jerk.
You inane argument makes one think that you se hasn’t had to fill out anything more important than a app at Burger King.
Obviously you’ve never needed to be fingerprinted or have a background check because of the nature of your employment.
But hey, don’t let that stop you from being a jerk. You’re quite good at being a jerk.
Your inane argument, se, makes one think that you se hasn’t had to fill out anything more important than a app at Burger King.
Obviously you’ve never needed to be fingerprinted or have a background check because of the nature of your employment.
But hey, don’t let that stop you from being a jerk. You’re quite good at being a jerk.
Your inane argument, se, makes one think that you haven’t had to fill out anything more important than an application at Burger King.
Obviously you’ve never needed to be fingerprinted or have a background check because of the nature of your employment.
But hey, don’t let that stop you from being a jerk. You’re quite good at being a jerk.
So, if BO never had his name officially changed to Bo, and he is legally Barry S then it would seem to me that he has committed fraud on his application. He would have to prove when he changed it to BO. Otherwise he should not be practicing law.
Great job Elise!
Man, you guys just won’t let this go.
Well Kelvin can you answer the questions? Don’t you think a potential POTUS should be an open and honest candidate? Weren’t you appalled at the lack of experience Bush had?
If not you’re a hypocrit. so go a way and drink more koolaid
Ask McCain the same questions. Oh wait, McCain didn’t defeat your precious Hillary. As for Bush, he was simply an idiot and a pawn for Big Oil. Obama could run this nation better than Bush with his eyes closed.
Yo Kelvinie:
Yo man BO he like Bush loves big Oil and loves the Bush/Cheney energy bill!!
Loves em I tell you — loves em.
Your discipleship of the one is admirable but terribly misguided.
Stop the hate!
WellI’m not a republican, am now an Independent use to be a Democrat until Obama successfully through most of us under the bus and Obama can’t run anything. He just takes up space. You obviously do no research about his days in Illinois and just kiss O-hole ass. Sad.
The DNC committed fraud in many of the caucuses. Yeah you must have great pride cause you obviously have no honorable principles. Just like all the bots and Obama…SUCKER!
I guess if you feel that winning the democratic nomination is throwing you under the bus, all I can say is watch out for the tires.
Are they flat because Obama has not been inflating them? Nothing surprises me about that bigot.
What! The tires are flat? There goes the Obama Energy Plan.
Maybe it’s because we’ve already seen his birth certificate and not a bad forgery that the obama campaign used from obama’s sister, maya.
You have got to be kidding!!!
tell you what, why don’t you write to the good senator and beg him to end this once and for all by producing a real bc? Transparency applies to him too you know. If he thinks the GOP won’t come hard with this in October for fear of being called racists, then you are in for a rude awakening.
Why is the birth certificate so important to you people? Not one white presidential candidate gets repeatedly asked to produce any kind of proof of his birth or citizenship. Yet Obama had to lay out birth certificates, DNA, fingerprints and all types of crap to prove he’s who he says he is. You insult the man’s wife for no reason. All because he defeated you precious Hillary. Take off the tin-foil hat and get with the real world. No one conspired to steal the election from Hillary. Obama won and he won by the rules. Get over it.
Yo Kelvinie:
One questions for ya man.
Is McCain white?
Did you not hear about the Brewhaha over his eligibility to be President because he was born in Panama.
You need to drop the “White” thang since you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about.
Stop the hate, Hater!
No. Please fill me in. Also, I have no reasons to hate any of you. My candidate won, remember?
Won what, exactly? He is not the nominee, yet.
Yo slow Kelvinie:
Not one white presidential candidate gets repeatedly asked to produce any kind of proof of his birth or citizenship.
You the one who said not ONE WHITE Presidential condidate. What more do YOU need to know?
Stop the hate!
Sounds to me like Kelvin is a racist. Walks like a bot, posts like a bot, etc.
He just ain’t figured it out yet. You see he’s kinda slow.
Stop the hate:-)
Ferd:
Psst, maybe, Kelvinie thinks McCain is Hispanic.
I don’t know what’s wrong with him/her/it.
Stop the hate:-)
Teehee. You may have something there.
I’m not a racist. But why must Obama’s patriotism, religion and citizenship be questioned when no candidate before him hasn’t? Would any of the other men that ran against Hillary been subjected to this very same srutiny if they defeated her in the same manner? Please explain.
Weenie:
Whatcha talkin’ bout Willis, you ain’t no racist?
You frontin’ now, right!
No other candidate would face such scrutiny– yo smokin to much of that weed, man. Put it down for awhile and pay attention.
Nuff splaining for you!
Stop the hate!
Were you alive in the 90s, buster? HRC has been vetted more than any candidate in history. She was investigated, probed, questioned, and more. They found zero (0) on her. She is clean as a whistle.
Your Anointed One needs to pony up the documents.
If your not a racist why are you for Obama?
See if you can cite three (I used to ask for five but that’s too hard for Obots to come up with - hell, they can’t even come up with three) verifiable reasons where Obama has done anything to inprove the tax situation, the economic situation, and the energy situation as a senator.
Until you Obots can come up with anything besides race as reasons to vote for Obama, your just racist.
Good luck…tick, tock, tick, tock…
Has any other man sat in a racist anti-American church for 20 years, sought out and befriended a terrorist to get him started in politics, or stated that wearing a flag pin was false patriotism and that is why he refused to wear one (and why did he lie again and start wearing one?)?
Hey stupid bot -
You write “I’m not a racist…. BUT”
The use of “but” is significant — you are admitting that YOU are indeed a racist.
caught, nailed and admitted you are a racist.
Oh by the way — Go to hell you racist bot.
PUMA
Have you taken leave of your mind?
why must Obama’s patriotism, religion and citizenship be questioned
AHhh ummm cause he is running for the office of POTUS.
Yikes! Lets see,
Patriotism; he does not observe the law when required to place his hand over his heart for the pledge of allegiance.
Hangs out with people who have blown things up and where responsible for the death of innocent human beings.
Religion; “god damn Amerikkka” for twenty years.
Insults Islam be denying he was of that faith, not an honest man.
Professes to believe that “Not words but deeds” are what one is to be judged by.
Why did he ignore people in the 313 freezing? He KNEW the people in Rezko’s building were living in squalor and with heat.
He defended Rezko in court and got him off with a 200 dollar fine while people he swore an oath to protect went cold.
Citizenship; Out of ALL the DUMB things BO has done or ignored, this has to be the crowning no brainier!!
Show America your birth ORIGINAL BC. and be DONE WITH IT. Running for POTUS, that is.
This last point is the most important. BO, who according to Lawrence Tribe, is a smart person regarding the Constitution of the United States, seek to to violate his Oath to protect and the defend the Constitution from all threats? He himself needs to be forthright and transparent in his station.
He does the opposite.
Explanation for Kelvin:
Many, many people do not feel that Obama won according to the rules. In fact, since he has not yet received the necessary number of pledged delegates, many folks do not think that he has won.
Many people are very annoyed with the DNC. Many people think that BO is a lying, scheming former druggie (maybe still is a druggie, who knows). Have you read how he “won” his Illinois state senate seat? And how he took credit for other folks work while he was there.
To begin to understand just a little bit, go read the info on Dr. Lynette Long’s web site.
http://www.lynettelong.com/caucusfraud/
McCain already provided the press with his birth certificate so, why won’t Obama??
Also, no candidate before him has given the impression of being so anti American.
Kelvin,
Why are you supporting Sen Obama?
Please be specific and provide links if you can.
Read this article and see just SOME of the MANY reasons millions of Americans DO NOT support Sen Obama.
http://vodpod.com/watch/857180-why-chicagoans-are-against-obama
The NAACP should be OUTRAGED at what Sen Obama has done to his own people.
James Baldwin -in “The Fire Next Time” writes a letter to his nephew James.(Page 7 1993 edition) in an effort to provide the young African American 15 year old boy with some insight as to what he will face …AND MUST FACE…as he grows up in our society.
“This innocent country set you down in a ghetto in which, in fact, it intended that you should perish.Let me spell out precisely what I mean by that, for the heart of the matter is here, and the root of my dispute with my country.You were born where you were born and faced the future that you faced because you were black and for no other reason”.
What would the well-repected African American author James Baldwin say if he were alive today and saw what Sen Obama did to his own people in District 13 in Chicago?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Baldwin_%28writer%29
PLEASE EDUCATE YOUR FELLOW VOTERS.
http://vodpod.com/watch/857180-why-chicagoans-are-against-obama
If he did this to district 13 while he was their legislator…what will he do to America if he becomes president???
Please-no matter who you choose to support in November- read this article first (see below):
This is one of the most accurate and concise analyses I have come across regarding Sen Obama’s voting (NOT SPEAKING) record. Actions don’t lie.
The ramifications of Sen Obama’s past legislative votes make it VERY CLEAR who Sen Obama supports and protects- and its not the average citizens/voters of our country.
http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/The_Obama_Craze_Count_Me_Out_5413.html
You must have been one of the Obama thugs who stormed the caucases without credentials or allowed others in without credentials who supported Obama.
He’s one of those monitors, too. You know, the ones who come here to gather info and report back to bot HQ. They also have the cool uniforms with the beanie, propeller, chin strap, and badge.
Look, you retarded troll, this isn’t about race; it’s about his qualifications to be president. Aside from his questionable lineage, he is simply unfit to be POTUS. You, on the other hand, are unfit to post.
He’s unfit because he beat Hillary? Please explain.
He hasn’t won the nomination, yet, dipstick. And that has nothing to do with whether he fit for office. The ad populum argument you are about to use is fallacious. Dry up, 10-watter.
Yes he has. You just won’t aknowlege it because you girl lost. Sour grapes I guess.
Yo Kelvinie:
Have you seen your Messiah’s new logo?
It’s priceless.
Stop the hate!
You have stupid tattooed to your forehead.
No room he already has the O logo tattooed to his head and his head isn’t that big.
The grape harvest this year is a really good quality of grapes but the yield is down by 15%, out here in wine country.
It will anything but sour.
Now Centigrade is talking a beatings…UG!
Misogynist to boot.
He’s an absolute zero on any scale.
Dumbass, your only reason to vote for Obama is because he is black — credentials, character, and integrity mean nothing to racists like you.
You question my integrity, yet hate Obama because he defeated Hillary by the rules? And because of that hate, you believe any unsubstatiated rumor put forth by unnamed internet bloggers who would be ridicled to no end if they ever when public with this so-called “evidence”? I really didn’t want to get into name-calling, but you sir, are a moron.
#1: He is unfit to be POTUS because he has not come clean with the electorate. There are too many questions surrounding his candidacy. We’ve all seen this picture before and it was a dog the first time around.
#2: Doesn’t matter due to #1.
Enough said.
Kelvin why don’t we just agree to disagree? You obviously think Obama is the greatest thing since sugar free Kool-Aide, we do not. We think candidates for P