Obama’s Christian Journey
By NancyA on August 17, 2008 at 6:20 PM in Barack Obama, Christianity, Current Affairs, Fox News, Jeremiah Wright, Obama, hate speech
Obama decided that it was important to hand out a 12 page booklet to the 2,200 people who streamed through Saddleback’s doors that chronicled the candidate’s “Christian journey” and his long relationship with Reverend Rick Warren (ahem! all of two years!). It may have been an aggressive move but, not very smart! The specter of Reverend Jeremiah Wright is upon us once more!
Let’s roll those clips!
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The campaign also announced Saturday that the upcoming Democratic National Convention would have a strong religious flavor, with “faith caucus meetings” to discuss religious voters’ concerns and daily invocations and benedictions from national faith leaders. The list includes Joel Hunter, a prominent Republican pastor from an evangelical Florida church; a Greek Orthodox archbishop; a Roman Catholic nun from Cleveland; and a Colorado couple who are both Methodist ministers.
Topics of the faith caucus meetings include “How an Obama Administration Will Engage People of Faith”; “Moral Values Issues Abroad”; and “Getting Out the Faith Vote.”
One piece of advice Obama, the convention will be televised. We will remember your 20 years of sitting in the pews and listening to Reverend Jeremiah Wright. In your own words! I didn’t know, I wasn’t there…….
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Man, I’m just counting down the days until the Republican 527 ads start hitting the airwaves. It’s gonna be brutal.
And deservedly so.
Who needs 527 attack ads when Obuhbuh keeps talking?
Yes, but just saw CNN & apparently the Obama camp are accusing McCain of not being in the “cone of silence” while Obama was being interviewed last night…thus, McCain may have known the questions ahead of time. I guess that’s the O’ camps latest, pathetic attempt to explain why McC was SO much better last night!
LOL
So only Obama is permitted to hear the questions in time to think about them (not that Obama thinks about anything other than who else he can throw under the bus)?
So are the bots saying that the person who goes first has the disadvantage? Hmm seems Hillary was first in ALL the debates with Obumba.
Bots are such Hypocrits and BABIES!
it’s tough for soeBOBOweenies to come to grips with the up close and personal reality that the precious…. is a shit head.
How on earth can we stop this man from being nominated. This is complete insanity. For those of you who watched the forum last night; here is a video for you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDw_IHByu4k
The only way that’s going to happen is if someone who is not affiliated with the GOP goes to Indonesia and digs up the same kind of hard proof of Soetoro’s true nationality, religion and legal name that the GOP is rumored to have against him and is just waiting until after he is the official nominee before releasing them.
Seems like Obama is trying to cover every single base there is to cover from every single side.
Im wondering what some of the left wingers who voted for him are going to think. The religous aspect is going to really have the left wingers worried.
Obama seemed as uncomfortable at Saddleback as most Americans would be at Trinity.
And of course Obamedia is making all kinds of excuses for his poor performance at Saddleback.
let me guess, they blamed Hillary for his poor performance? Barry, you suck.
I need a barf bucket right now.
I can’t believe this crap.
Off Topic
Who “sent” Obama?
http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/04/obamas-relationship-with-bomber-bill.html
Valerie Jarrett!
OBSP, what do you know about Valerie Jarrett? I saw her on CBS the other night and she seemed scary smart. What is her story?
Valerie Jarrett has deep connections to both the Daley machine and the University of Chicago. Her father, James Bowman, is Professor Emeritus in Pathology and Medicine at UC. Jarrett served in the Daley administration as Deputy Chief of Staff. In 1991, Michelle was working for the law firm of Sidley Austin (where Michelle met Barack and where Bernadine Dohrn, wife of Ayers, was employed) but was lured away for a position with Daley by Jarrett. Although not yet married to Barack, he insisted on meeting with Jarrett before he would “allow” Michelle to accept Jarrett’s offer. Jarrett left City Hall to lead the Chicago Transit Authority and made sure that Michelle served on its citizen advisory committee. Michelle eventually made her way to the University of Chicago where Jarrett was “appointed Chair of the University of Chicago Medical Center Board, Chair of a newly created Executive Committee of that board, and Vice-Chair of the University’s Board of Trustees.” Jarrett is also CEO of the Habitat Company, a residential real estate firm that is heavily involved in Chicago’s privatization of its low-income housing program.
Reporter Evelyn Pringle has noted that:
When it came time for Obama’s US Senate campaign, Valerie Jarrett became the campaign finance chairman and worked hand and hand with fellow finance committee members, Rita and Tony Rezko, and his former boss at the law firm, Allison Davis, in fundraising endeavors. The committee raised more than $14 million, according to Federal Election Commission records, Tim Novak reported in the Sun-Times on April 23, 2007.
An July 2008 article in the Boston Globe states that Habitat Co. was responsible until this past winter for the management of Grove Parc Plaza, a collection of 504 federally subsidized apartments located in Obama’s former state district. The article states:
About 99 of the units are vacant, many rendered uninhabitable by unfixed problems, such as collapsed roofs and fire damage. Mice scamper through the halls. Battered mailboxes hang open. Sewage backs up into kitchen sinks. In 2006, federal inspectors graded the condition of the complex an 11 on a 100-point scale - a score so bad the buildings now face demolition.
Habitat also “co-managed an even larger subsidized complex in Chicago that was seized by the federal government in 2006, after city inspectors found widespread problems.”
http://pr.bsd.uchicago.edu/archives/42/valerie.html
http://www.countercurrents.org/pringle280308.htm
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/
Very interesting, thanks!
You know you got to wonder about that relationship? William Ayers in his own spoke of his Bi-Sexually. Did he find a kindred bud with Soetoro?
book-sorry about that!
Someone ask Obama to cite one line of scripture from the Bible. I just don’t think he could do it.
His answers to faith based questions always seem unsure– like he’s trying to find the right words.
When you are a person of faith, those answers come naturally. And with Obama that it always seems forced.
Is it because the message he learned at TUCC is in different to mainsteam christian principles?
Yes, but he does know the Call to prayer for Allah!
I agree. He misquoted Matthew and said that “hopefully” his sins would be washed away. (I’ve also seen him use Matthew and Leviticus to mock Christians.)
Remember this very telling statement:
300 advisors can tell you how to answer questions but none of them changed his heart.
I’m not looking to vote for a pastor but I don’t want to vote for a liar: Obama has proven himself to be just that.
Where did he misquote Matthew? And where has he used Matthew and Leviticus to mock Christians?
Sigh. He did last night when he quoted from Micah 6:8. In fact, guess how many times McCain mentioned God or Jesus by name. Zero.
As a minister, I found that his answers were very natural, and very believable. I found his answers regarding salvation far more compelling than McCain’s. My job isn’t to judge, but when it comes to explaining salvation, Obama’s the one who I would want to do it between him and McCain.
This has nothing to do with the preparedness of being president, but it’s worth mentioning.
No offense, but I could care less what or who a president prays to as long as he puts the American people first.
Fair enough. I was simply arguing the point that I believe is unfounded. That’s all.
Sec, so you’re a minister? So as a minister, are you a christian minister? And if you are, what is the way to heaven? And is there a heaven? I have my own reasons for asking. You see, I listened to a speech of Obama’s where he was asked these questions and he said there are many paths to heaven. Wrong. And then he said he wasn’t sure if there was a heaven. Wrong again. I ask because I have seen many lies that he “the one” has spoken. And as a christian, I know that the word alone means a follower of Christ. So, according to the bible, there is only one way to heaven and God and that is through the son, Jesus. And if you don’t believe in a heaven, then the first point is moot. Obama is not a christian. I don’t know what he is, but I know he is not a christian. He is just pandering, lying and will do whatever to get elected. Now, I will also say, that I don’t care that he’s not a christian, but I do care that he has chosen to lie about it. At least Wright was right on one count and that is that Obama will say whatever it takes to get elected.
And if you are a minister, you are leading your flock astray.
Amen to that.
As a liberal atheist I was thrilled that McC seemed less enthralled with the link between god & politics. In fact, Obama’s devotion is costing him votes among many progressives — can’t have it all, can you? Obama is WAY too religious for some of us…
Sec…..As a minister….You surely understand how the Theologian Cardinal Rattenzinger ( Now Pope Benedict ) objected to the synthesis of Marxism with a Heretical interpretation of Jesus and Christianity to expose and condemn Liberation Theology that swept Latin America in the 70’s and 80’s.
Liberation Theology = Christian Heresy
Liberation Theology is Marxism wrapped in the Baby Jesus.
Black Liberation Theology defines the Marxist class struggle as a racial one.
Black Liberation Theology is the FASCIST Daughter of the Marxist Parent.
Any Christian Doctrinal Instruction Obama/Soetero received was warped with Heresy and Fascist justification of the heresy.
What unites Nation of Islam and TUCC = Fascism
As a fake ministerbot I found his answers very acceptable to the sheeple
I’m telling you, I don’t think he even knows the pledge of allegiance! I would love for a kid to ask him to recite it.
A guy in Ohio did. To his credit, Obuhbuh knew it. Seemed like a set-up, but check out the security response:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=031VHnUD0aw
Gawd almighty! It felt like that poor citizen was in Russia. Obamabots are not normal Americans. Un fucking believable!
As it seems The One is trying to cover every single base:
Hey Barry -
Explain your long-standing “relationship” with the (also) twenty-year choir director, murdered execution-style (Chicago hit job) days before your debut on the national political stage, after he had been in correspondence with Larry Sinclair, another paramour ready to blow the whistle.
It’s been alleged that Wright was right in the middle of that,(in more ways than one) too.
Think we have figured out WHY you hung around TUCC for twenty years. All of Chicago knows. Share it with the rest of us, won’t you?
THIS STORY IS FACTUALLY IMCOMPLETE!!
HOW CAN YOU LET THIS STORY GO LIVE WITHOUT STARTING AT THE BEGINNING?
HE WAS BORN IN A MANGER!!
And grew up in a log cabin, too, reading by the light of a kerosene lamp.
Kerosene that he had to drill for with his own bare hands in his backyard in that log bacin in Selma Alabama….so dont tell me he doesnt have a claim on Kerosene and energy independance. Energy independence got him born.
And don’t forget the hard work. He knows hard work.
Then he was captured against his will and taken to Indonesia where he HAD to go to school and LEARN the ways of Islam!
He saved his hard earned money made by being a beggar in the street and finally found refuge in his Gramma’s house…in Hawaii.
after building a boat from a cherry tree he chopped down with a toothbrush handle he sharpened on the bare concrete floor of his log cabin and subsequently rowing all the way across the pacific ocean by himself to hawaii. you forgot that part.
You missed a bit of the story.
In Hawaii, while searching for Grandma, he unfortunately booked passage on the Granma, ended up in the Sierra Maestre and helped Castro and Guevara liberate Cuba.
But this revolution was not faith-based, and profoundly disillusioned, he built a raft, and after a perilous crossing, ended up in Key West and then Miami.
The Cuban exile community was so impressed by this guy’s heroics, that they gave him a one way ticket back to Hawaii, so that he could finally reunite with Grandma.
If you don’t believe this story ask the Cuban exile community in Miami.
He is also the true biological Father of Elian Gonzales.
Are you all reading from “the Life of Pi?”
On that raft he rescued two of every beast known to man, because God,his Father, sent a great flood. But then, the night he captured the nomination, he prophesied that this is the time when the oceans will slow their rise. And God saw the light, and it was good.
And he chopped down the cherry tree and Obama LIED about it too…
LOL!
Crack me up!!!!
Quoting scriptures really doesnt mean much. Most educatied agonistics I know can really agrue the bible. Although Obamam might not be able to speak very well without a telepromter, I think he is smart enough to know enough of the bible to keep the facade going.
Someone oughta teach him that bit about “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s; and to God the things that are God’s.”
He is the Messiah. Its all his. Get over it.
Instead, I think that Obama is thinking more along the lines of “From each according to their abilities, to each accoding to their needs.”
Obama is like 1984, the book. Changing with the wind, rewriting history and then calling YOU insane for daring to remember the truth. He is an embarassment, a nightmare and a danger to our country. The Democratic party should be immediately dismantled for shilling for this POS. THEN it may be rebuilt. It can not be salvaged as it currently stands.
If this doesn’t get your blood boiling, nothing will. Can you believe that we are about to nominate this guy?!
WE?
I had nothing to do with it.
Infact I opposed it vehemently.
Don’t you dare say we.
It’s THEM!
THEY are about to nominate him.
We are just going to have to deal with it,
get over it,
or stay home,
cuz THEY DON’T NEED US!
The obscenity of the Democratic Party’s manipulation of young voters and black voters pales in comparison to their apparently intended manipulation of “faith-based” religious sensibilities in this campaign.
It’s hypocritical; it’s blasphemous; it’s evil.
And it seems to be the only way they think can gain the White House without older voters, women, and white working class adults.
Young People are stupid as f*ck. I know i was one.
You show me one video on youtube of a 50 year old educated adult, man or woman, putting a firecracker in their ass and lighting it.
Can’t find it? Yeah me neither.
Now look for a Young person doing it.
like look here!!
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=firecracker+butt&search_type=&aq=f
over 5 pages of young people sticking firecrackers in their butts and lighting them.
What does this tell you?
It tells you that when we are young and stupid we will do lots of stupid things.
Now do you really think they are aware of what they are doing voting for obama?
We were all young and stupid at some point, but thank god nobody pandered to me to get elected when i was sticking firecrackers in my ass…i would never forgive myself if they had and i had complied.
This quote has been attributed to many statesmen:
If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart.
If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain.
I think the last word in the second line of your quote is “head”.
At least, that’s how I remember that remark.
It was a classic remark.
Oh Jeremiah lol you made my day- I remember my brother and 2 neighbor boys lighting matches and blowing them out by farting…The whole visual is like Obama- a fart in a blizzard…LOL!
[...] Oh, and before we forget, evangelicals reading this post, remember where Obama’s personal journey of faith has taken him… 20 years of atheism followed by 20 years of instruction under Revvum Jurr-Miuh Wright. http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/17/obamas-christian-journey/#more-4224 [...]
“ Be religiously careful in our choice of all public officers…and judge of the tree by its fruits.”
- Elias Boudinot
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Best quote I’ve seen pertaining to Obama…
Not sure about you guys, but I know many on the way left are really going to be taking second looks at this guy if he goes any futher right. Hey look at it guys, if Obama goes any further right he’s going to be more of a Republican Rightist than McCain is.
Well, you’ve seen The Nation’s open letter to fauxbama, right? yeah, the left is VERY nervous.
here’s the link:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080818/open_letter
Nader Rox
Thank you for this link…
The Nation will be thrown under the bus in the next few days..
OT: Merkel sides with Georgia membership to NATO.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080817/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_russia
Wes Clark would give you a lot of help right now if NATO comes into play at all.
Dumb move throwing him under the convention bus.
Looks like McCain’s call for the membership contingency plans to remain in place re:Georgian republic is starting to gain traction from EU members wanting buffer states and containment policy to be developed.
Though Gen. Clark left that ambiguious door open for VP in today’s interview on Fox, they always do that, what with the world ever changing as it is, and video clips of a punto en tiempo being so available…he said with certainty that he was no surrogate for Obama.
Isn’t Clark going to Milan during Convention Week? And wasn’t even on the attendance list?
That’s a long, long way from Denver…
Of course he is otherwise booked and out of the picture. My only point was on live TV, no one will ever admit the inevitable, b/c the inevitable may not happen.
When lowly serfs and peasants stormed the gates in France, they had tired of having no say nor rights in their land.
When elitists say “Let them eat cake,” I say it’s time to throw the cake in their faces.
When Patriots were paying taxes without representation, they tired of a government that did not listen to them and dumped tea into Boston Harbor.
I say it’s time to throw SuperDelegates who support The One overboard at the ballot boxes this November and every November until they are eliminated. NO EXCEPTIONS.
When Pilgims sought freedom of religion and from tyranny, they were willing to launch to parts unknown - for the dream of a better life, even if death ensued. Give me Liberty or Give me Death.
REVOLUTIONS OCCUR WHEN DESPERATE TIMES CALL FOR DESPERATE MEASURES.
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WaPo ombudsman admits Obama dominates coverage - and not just at WaPo! - but in all media. Corporations know a cash cow when they see one.
Just ask Paris Hilton.
Obama’s Edge in the Coverage Race
By Deborah Howell
Sunday, August 17, 2008; B06
Democrat Barack Obama has had about a 3 to 1 advantage over Republican John McCain in Post Page 1 stories since Obama became his party’s presumptive nominee June 4. Obama has generated a lot of news by being the first African American nominee, and he is less well known than McCain — and therefore there’s more to report on. But the disparity is so wide that it doesn’t look good.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/15/AR2008081503100_pf.html
Oh and - more media coverage = more donations.
That’s my home paper and the coverage has been really slanted. Mosk, Kornblut, Murray — their main writers — all have been loving Obama from the get-go. I’ve written this before here, but there are great quotes from 2 ex-Posties at Politico about how love struck some of the Post reporters were/are. John Harris said:
What political skill? I have never seen it? It’s all hype.
See this wool?
Let me pull it over your eyes.
His only skill.
must watch…CSpan replay today, 8/10/08 was the live date, of McGovern, Adlai Stevenson III, Jesse Jackson Sr. and John Andersen and a couple of others discussing the Democratic primary system. Fixing the multiple problems we have created for ourselves needs to be priority numero uno, after BHO loses this November, for 2012.
Oh, I forgot. I resigned from the Democratic Party. Perhaps some or many will return if there is a true desire to make the Democratic Party democratic.
I’m resigning after the election.
I want to cast my dissenting vote as a Democrat.
I also didn’t want to give anyone any excuses to fuck with my registration and keep me from voting.
good idea.
Anne, do you have link? I cant find.
For now, this may be informative and is relevent to your post…
Watch these EXCELLENT videos.
View the video’s released on August 9th 2008 by the Sam J
Ervin Jr, former chairman of Watergate commission, library and museum in Morgantown NC. According to producers, the DNC (with the support of the MSM) has perpetuated a crime and fraud against the American voters by claiming Obama as the presumptive nominee.
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lPCunsrI1Q
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Khsg8iKjU
:Superdelegates votes can not count until convention
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXpz8AJk8TM
*VERY IMPORTANT PART: Why Obama is not the presumptive nominee
Fellow bloggers- these videos are very educational, interesting, and well-researched and documented. People are indeed repeating history. What is happening in 2008 has happened several times in the past. Educate your fellow voters. Forward these links to others.
I can’t. It was on from 1-2 CST, but it is not in their schedule. wish I had recorded it.
The most important thing I recall from it was McGovern saying having no SD’s and him being the nominee - he was unelectable in the GE, won Mass and D.C., but having SD’s for Mondale - he was also unelectable in the GE, winning Minn. and D.C. Made no difference having them or not. And the point of having them was to keep the Dem’s from electing an unelectable GE candidate. I predict Obama will win only Illinois and D.C. in the GE.
Obama didn’t got to Wright’s church to learn to be Xtian. He went there to learn to be black.
That’s an incredibly racist statement and has no place in dialogue.
lol, and I bet you’re white, and you live in the suburbs in your mom and dad’s basement …
obama’s experience is not that of black america, his step daddy was a rich asian, he went to ivy league schools and attended an exclusive prep school in hawaii, he lives in a mansion now and works part time jobs …if you think that’s the normal black american experience i suggest you come down here with me to the ninth ward of new orlean where I live and have lived for some time and wake TF up
It’s the constant go-to for Oblowme idiots.
It’s all racist all the time.
I agree with you dak! That is exactly what he did!
Actually thats exactly what he claimed he did in his book in more elequent terms. As he put it, he joined Trinity to get Street cred with the black community because his upbringing and experiences had not exposed him to black culture in america.
Kenya and Indonesia is not american black culture, and neither is body surfing in Hawaii.
Now Take your racist accusations back to camp koolaid SEC, seriously, everybody is SICK TO DEATH of the OVERUSE of the term RACIST!!
If there were as many racists in america as the Obama campaign wants us to believe there are he wouldn’t have gotten on the bus nevermind the Democratic Ticket for President.
Jeremiah-
you are correct about what Sen Obama wrote in his book.
Here is another reason why some people think Sen Obama joined Trinity-
Focus on his role of ‘community organizer’ and what this means in these articles listed below.
http://www.windycitizen.com/2008/07/ask-a-community-organizer-what-is-community-organizing-anyway
Read the blogger’s comments on this website (windycity)-including my comments (athy).
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=a74fca23-f6ac-4736-9c78-f4163d4f25c7&p=10