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Seems Like Business As Usual

For Obama, that is. Larry Johnson has a great piece here at No Quarter entitled, “The Obama Messiah Is A Whiner. The title gives it away a bit - it is about Obama’s new claim that McCain “cheated” during the Saddleback Church Forum on Saturday night on 8/16/08. Yes, he is claiming McCain cheated, and THAT is why Obama bombed in comparison. It has nothing whatsoever to do with his prevaricating on every single question asked of him, even going so far as to make shit - uh, I mean, stuff up (the guy was NOT in the Senate when the Resolution which led to Bush declaring war came to a vote no matter HOW he wants to spin that one as a “gut wrenching decision. Uh, yeah, Obama - just keep telling yourself you have been in the US Senate longer than you have, sure, go on ahead, that is just peachy keen. No, really - go right ahead. No one will notice that you were not really there for that vote. Yikes. Scary.).

Oh, wait - not every single question - there was at least one when you showed your truly narcissistic, superficial side. Wanna guess which one? That’s right - about his moral failure was in drinking and doing drugs as a teenager (a TEENAGER - nothing since then!!! Wow, he really IS Obush!!), a direct result of his mother being a poor sharecropper who didn’t have a row to hoe—-oh, wait - that’s not the right meme. No, his mother was a poor, single mother with no resources whatsoever who reared him all by her lonesome living hand to mouth his entire life until he somehow, someway, through his own sheer grit and determination, got into an Ivy League University. The rest, as they say, is history. Hey, wait - he prevaricated there, TOO!! A twofer! Woohoo! In this case, I think it is safe to call that a fairy tale. But never mind - all politicians embellish just a little right? RIGHT? That’s all it was, not flat-out lying!!! Oh, sure. Ahem.

Let us put to rest the Obama (false) charge that McCain cheated, and heard Obama’s “conversation” with Rev. Rick Warren. Warren HIMSELF said McCain was sequestered away, and could not hear anything. Freakin’ enough on that crapola, Andrea (Mitchell, NBC shill for Obama - see link at “cheated” above). Unless Obama has a teleprompter in front of him with a speech written by his 20-something white speechwriter (I am not kidding - CHECK it out for yourself), he does not know WHAT he thinks or for what he stands. Whatever YOU are for, so is he, until the next person comes along and supports the exact opposite. And that is McCain’s fault HOW, exactly?? Because he actually DOES know what he thinks and for what he stands (and no, this is NOT an endorsement of McCain - just making a point here)? Yeah, what a JERK!!! No WONDER Obama did so poorly! Harrumph!!

Never mind that in this Forum, ONCE AGAIN, Obama was throwing people under the bus (fleet) left and right. How about the issue of when a fetus is viable? Obama passed on that one in a heartbeat, with his “that’s above my pay grade” comment. Because there is no WAY he could have anticipated THAT question coming from a minister. In his church. In a “forum” designed to question the candidates. Heckfire, who could have seen THAT question coming???? NARAL? Planned Parenthood?? Got anything to say NOW???

Or how about throwing gay marriage under the bus - again. I mean, really - in a state that sanctions gay marriage, on the same evening that two of America’s most famous lesbians are getting married, he denigrates it, but magnanimously suggests he would be willing to extend civil rights to us. Why thank ya so MUCH, Senator Obama, but they are not YOURS to CONFER (read a whole bunch of expletives right about there).

Oh, but wait - Obama does have SOMEONE who thinks that he did a SWELL job at this event on Sat. night. Yes, Sally Quinn of the Washington Post, in her piece, “Worlds Apart,” essentially claimed that while she wants to live in McCain’s world, that she thought Obama did a good job. And it wasn’t a debate, dammit! She actually said, “There was not a winner or a loser.” Um, yeah, Sally, there really was. And it was McCain. The one who reminded you of your father in your recurring dream of him flying in with a winged horse’s body to save you from an earthquake (I am NOT making this up, people - I swear, she really SAID this! Click on the link - you’ll see!!!!). He was the winner because he was able to talk coherently, succinctly, and knowledgeably. Obama? Not so much. And so what did he do? Attacked McCain as soon as it was over. Gee - who could have seen THAT coming??

Well I can tell you someone who could have seen all of this coming, the attack on McCain as soon as the cameras were off of their big hug. Oh, yes - the person who has seen him for who he is - the sorest loser on the face of the planet. Hell, I have seen athletes in the Olympics who have trained for years and years and YEARS handle defeat with a TON more grace than Obama can even imagine. Yes, that would be Hilary Clinton. Here she is speaking to her supporters after a debate in which she, once again, schooled Obama:

Yes, no doubt she could have warned McCain, as this article shows, Clinton: Obama Going Negative After Bad Debate:

Her explanation for Obama’s recent negativity? A poor performance in last week’s debate. “It’s no wonder that my opponent has been so negative these last few days of the campaign. Because I think you saw a big difference between us,” she said. “It’s really a choice of leadership: I’m offering leadership you can count on. You know where I stand.”

Well, there is no doubt about that. She said what she meant, and meant what she said:

“While my opponent says one thing and his campaign does another, you can count on me to tell you where I stand, and you can count on me to tell you very specifically the solutions that I offer for America,” she said.

While the final quote has to do with a Clinton ad that was about to come out, I think the content sums up the issues surrounding Obama PERFECTLY:

At the same time, the Clinton campaign announced a brand new :30 second ad in PA making the same argument. “He couldn’t answer tough questions in the debate. So Barack Obama is making false charges against Hillary’s health care plan,” says the narrator. “There are more and more questions about Barack Obama. Instead of attacking, maybe he should answer them.

(Italics mine.) Amen. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Yes, maybe he SHOULD answer the questions about him (passport? birth certificate??? Citizenship????), and actually tell the TRUTH for once. Now THAT would be a Change (not sure I could believe it though, but hey - I’m willing to give it a shot!). Frankly, we deserve nothing less!

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Comment by Mawm | 2008-08-19 07:53:46

Obama is just a whining liar who schmoozes his way through life, and has to resort to vote stealing to put himself over the top in the primary.

Comment by Dawnelle Leona del Puma | 2008-08-19 09:33:30

Just catching up. Didn’t see this anywhere. Sigh. Well, we shall see huh?

Clinton Is VP Favorite Among Delegates
CBS Poll: 28 Percent Of Delegates To Democratic Convention Want N.Y. Senator In Number Two Slot

~snip~ (highlights mine)

(CBS) Senator Hillary Clinton is by far the favorite choice for the number two spot on the Democratic ticket, according to a CBS News/New York Times poll of delegates to the Democratic convention. When asked who they would like Barack Obama to select, 28 percent volunteer her as their top choice for Vice Presidential nominee.

Six percent volunteer Delaware Senator Joe Biden, and four percent mention two other unsuccessful Democratic candidates: New Mexico Governor Bill (traitor) Richardson and former North Carolina Senator John (shame on U) Edwards. [Most of the interviews for this poll were conducted before Edwards admitted to having an extramarital affair.] Another 4 percent volunteer Indiana Senator Evan Bayh.

Comment by Cindy | 2008-08-19 10:08:28

I definitely think he’ll choose Hillary as VP. If he doesn’t, then he doesn’t want to win…….I believe this is one reason they bumped her from Prime Time on Tuesday and gave Bill prime time on Wed.(VP night). There’s no other explanation for that. It’s political suicide if he does not choose her. Just my opinion……we’ll see…..

Comment by Hope is the last to die | 2008-08-19 10:38:44

I don’t think that’ll happen. Obama is too petty for that. We’ve seen how he and his campaign has treated those who stood by Hillary and were willing to support Obama when she suspended her campaign. He takes things so personally I can’t see him “forgiving” her and choose her as vp. And let’s not forget Nancy Pelosi who has constantly said Hillary won’t be picked.

Obama has declared to be the president a long time ago, now he’ll just choose whoever he wants to hang around in the white house with. In their minds they’ve won, they don’t need mean Hillary.

 

Comment by Dan R. | 2008-08-19 10:44:39

I don’t think Hillary would accept it even if it were to be offered. She wants to be president, nit vice-president. And the best shot she has at being president is seeing McCain elected in 2008 so that she can run again in 2012.

 

Comment by Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright | 2008-08-19 12:34:53

he isn’t choosing Hillary. Get over it. He is too narcissistic to ever allow hillary on the ticket.

And frankly it would look just like the badge with an upside down flag…an upside down ticket.

WHy would you put the child in the driver seat and the adult in the backseat?

Obutthead is going to run his little American Idol Never gonna Give you Up fantasy all the way through to election day.

Then when he loses he will be clear and vetted and ready to run for International World Idol.

Comment by mimi | 2008-08-19 13:47:11

I wish I could be convinced. Right now, I’m not too sure. I think he’s desperate and the reason it’s taking so long to announce is because they’re watching the polls.

Believe me, I don’t want her anywhere near that ticket. But I think the Messiah is running scared and backed into a corner. He doesn’t want her, but he may not have a choice.

But Hillary.

SAY NO!!!!!

 

Comment by Cindy | 2008-08-19 20:21:04

Jeremiah GD AmeriKKKa-
There’s nothing to get over, sweetie…..I’m just sayin’ she’s the one he’ll choose if he wants to win…unless she has turned him down, already.

 
 
 

Comment by OBSP | 2008-08-19 10:12:02

NO, NO, No VP for HRC, she can not be associated with BO. And, I hope she will take a well deserved vacation instead of stumping for him while he body surfs.
Let her go back to the Senate and do her job. Being on the trail will only hurt her image. Regardless of what she does, it will be her fault when he loses.

Comment by Cindy | 2008-08-19 10:20:36

I agree—–But, I just think he’ll choose her, though…..

Comment by Dawnelle Leona del Puma | 2008-08-19 10:40:23

I’ve been quoted saying (years ago) that we needed to find our own DICK CHENEY

Someone that would ensure the PRETZELDENT would never be “replaced” with the VP because the VP would be HELLA WORSE!!

And at that time I even said Hillary would be a great VP because so many hated her at the time they would never try impeaching the Prez or offing him (being worse of course)

if this comes true I suppose I was not alone in those thoughts

 
 
 
 

Comment by nancysabet | 2008-08-19 10:28:42

Liars can not deal with making up the answers and pleased the listeners simultenously. BARRY IS A CHARLATAN.

PLEASE CONTACT ALL HILLARY’S PLEGED DELEGATES IN YOUR STATE. Make sure they are voting for Hillary in the convention. Voters in your district have voted for them to represent the people at your district.

Here is the link for all the Certified Delegates By State :

http://www.demconvention.com/certified-delegates-ec/

Comment by OBSP | 2008-08-19 10:40:35

All her delegates in Illinois are voting for her and that includes Alice Palmer.

 
 
 

Comment by katmandu | 2008-08-19 07:55:04

And that’s why he cannot close the deal.

He’s up by only 8, for heaven’s sake, in NY. A commenter at Fark said that in NY state, Republicans are outnumbered like hot girls at a Star Trek convention.

OT–A priceless typo (?) from Nedra Pickler of AP. Read the 2nd line carefully—

His top contenders are said to include Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. Less traditional choices mentioned include former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge, an abortion-rights supporter, and Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Democratic vice presidential prick in 2000 who now is an independent.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gxVW-aUPQsPkU0JKEleSPNCyxSsAD92L2HJ80

And look at the Politico Swing State map this morning:

http://www.politico.com/convention/swingstate.html

So why are the Dems nominating Obama?

Comment by bert | 2008-08-19 08:10:37

RE: The swing state map. I have been saying all along that Obama 08 = McGovern 72 - MA all for months. We are slowly getting there. I only wish the delegates and the supers would wake up and set this right.

 

Comment by wonderwoman | 2008-08-19 08:35:38

I know that map is driving those Politico nuts crazy. Ok Obama only has 7 states that are solid blue,and two his home states-not good.I wonder if McCain is being coached by Karl Rove now. He really has improved his game. Now he’s going to annouce his VP after the dems convetion. This will erase Obama’s bounce.

 

Comment by Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy | 2008-08-19 09:27:17

Wow, Katmandu - thanks!

As for Nedra, well, her “reporting” has seemed pretty biased to me, so I am not sure that WAS a typo!! :-D (I hasten to add that I do NOT like Lieberman - I think he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.)

 

Comment by Clinton Fan | 2008-08-19 09:55:18

Bwahahahahaha!! If McCain picks the “Vice Presidential Prick” then NY and FL are in play…you know it!

And a LOT of blue states are “competitive” too.

Even though a lot of Dems grind their teeth at Holy Joe, he is the guy who enabled the Senate Democratic Majority (when he didn’t HAVE to). He’s acceptable to the crazy evangelicals because they think that Israel, and all those “Jooooooooooooooooz” have a role in their salvation, as though they are spear carriers in the Wagnerian opera about their ascent into heaven, or something.

And for the non-crazy, non-evangelical, moderate-to-conservative Democrat, why, Holy Joe is…eh, OK. After all, Gore picked him, so that’s a point in his favor. He’s an observant Jew, but not “too-too,” in that he doesn’t make people uncomfortable by blaring on about it all the live long day. He’s already answered the many questions about how he’d resolve his faith and his job (he’d use the car on the Sabbath in an emergency, with no hesistation, e.g.), so no need to go over that territory again.

I think Joe is angling for SECDEF, myself, though. I’d personally, even though I was ticked at him for crapping on the Dems by refusing to give up “his” Senate seat and running independently, feel better about McCain with him on the ticket. Of course, McCain’s not looking to please me–I could just as easily protest-vote for Cynthia McKinney, after all!

Comment by Dan R. | 2008-08-19 10:51:22

As much as I’d like to see it, McCain won’t/can’t pick Lieberman. The right wing of the GOP would go postal. Were McCain 12 points behind in the polls and needed a “Hail Mary” to catch up, then Lieberman might be viable. But he’s right on Obama’s heels, he’s got the momentum, and so the one thing he needs to do with his VP pick is play it safe and pick someone who a) can help him win a swing state or two, and b) offsets his biggest perceived weakness, which is the economy. Mitt Romney would be the best choice, IMHO.

Comment by StrawberrybitesBarky | 2008-08-19 11:16:44

Please, not Mit, please God. I loathe that man. Something about him just irks my ovaries. Ridge, I could live with. Lieberman needs to just go far, far away…I was kinda’ hoping for a female VP just to drive a stake through the heart of Barky’s campaign.

 
 
 

Comment by mimi | 2008-08-19 13:51:20

I predicted after Super Tuesday, that 0bama could lose NY State. People thought I was crazy.

 

Comment by Papoose | 2008-08-19 20:54:14

Omigosh, my lying eyes.

I got hung up for a second on the “pro-abortion” term and then it stuck out like a needle in a haystack! ouch!

Typo, I wonder.

 
 

Comment by MEchelle Hates America! | 2008-08-19 07:59:02

GOD Rev. Amy. That was heavenly.

My heart hurts for all of the couples who love each other and were devastated when Oblowme so easily blew them off.

And shit on their hopes for change.

And this is Oblowme’s new politics?

What- uniting people under the bus for McCain?

Comment by No to O | 2008-08-19 08:34:48

Yes, there is a large contingency under the bus. Sadly, that is the only place that they are welcome under O.

 
 

Comment by roseeriter | 2008-08-19 08:01:45

Obama is so much like Bush- an addict and a puppet, very poor leadersihp qualities.
One of my biggest concerns is the people these Puppets put in positions in the WH who really pull the strings. With Bush he had Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove , Alito, and well too many people with their own agendas, most not reflective of the American people and we saw what they brought us.

With that in mind one must consider the puppet string pullers of Obama who will be reflecting their agendas on the ‘blank slate’ empty suit, flip flopper, addict Obama. Look beyond Obama, he’s just the addicted puppet.

He may or may not still be using, but he has the poor moral failure- He told us that- of seeking relief with damaging substances. We don’t need another ‘party’ man in the White House.

 

Comment by kat in your hat | 2008-08-19 08:03:25

Rev. Rick Warren Says Obama Campaign Claim Is “Bogus”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xGpD6aOKeA&feature=related

ALSO, I watched the whole Hannity and Colmes interview with Rick Warren last night and several interesting things were mentioned on the show:

1. Rick Warren said there wasn’t any cheating (probably NOT happy with the Obama campaign for calling him a liar and a cheat! Way to go, guys!)

2. Rick Warren discussed black liberation theology at Obama’s old church. He stated that it is even more radical than regular liberation theology which originated in S. or C. America. Rick Warren said it is MARXIST.

3. There was a segment on Obama apparently lying about ultimately supporting a move to allow failed aborted babies to suffer and die without medical help. And the conservatives (and many others) are hopping angry that he is lying about his position on that. They were going nuts on the program.

4. At one point Hannity nearly yelled: Obama was not even in the U.S. SENATE to vote against the war! He wasn’t even there! (LOL)

5. They also discussed that Obama’s answer about crossing the aisle with McCain is ultimately false, because Obama opposed the bill in the end.

6. ALSO: Remember when Obama was asked about the Supreme Court Judges, and Obama discussed Clarence Thomas?? Hannity and their guest contributor (can’t remember name), pointed out something fascinating, Obama ALMOST said that Clarence Thomas didn’t have enough EXPERIENCE, but he caught himself!! Obama said I don’t think he had enough EX…and then he checked himself. LOOK: See when it happens at 29-30 seconds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfblJvKXiP0

The guest claimed that if Obama finished that word “experience” he would have destroyed his candidacy!!!! Watch it. Youtube will no doubt have the Hannity interaction on this precise point in due time.

Comment by kat in your hat | 2008-08-19 08:12:07

Comment by Buzz Latte | 2008-08-19 10:53:03

When we watched it, we mentally finished the “ex…” - experience word for Obama. Two of us looked at each other and said, ” He just committed political suicide!”

I wonder how many other viewers drew the same conclusion?

I’m glad Hannity and guest played that point up!

I’ve never been a fan of Hannity, until now.

 
 

Comment by Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy | 2008-08-19 08:15:42

Kat in your hat, thanks for the additional info. I bet Warren WAS mad at essentially being called a liar and a cheat!! THAT should go over well with the community to whom Obama was pandering!

As for the abotion issue, SusanUnPC had an EXCELLENT piece here yesterday on that very subject:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/18/finally-personal-vindication-but-a-major-new-problem-for-the-democratic-party/

Unbelievable at C. Thomas. He essentially called him stupid, to boot.

Thanks for the links and the info - very helpful!! Now, if only those SDs will pay attention!!

 

Comment by kat in your hat | 2008-08-19 08:29:59

OH, and yes yes,

7. Rick Warren said he told Obama one of the questions beforehand, and he was going to tell McCain but he wasn’t there, so Obama had the upper-hand going in.

The question Obama knew about before hand was the one on helping orphans world wide.

Comment by kat in your hat | 2008-08-19 08:39:51

See, McCain was late, but not by much, he was in his motorcade and upon arrival he was placed in a room away from the stage where he couldn’t hear anything.

I just want to say: EVEN if McCain did know anything ahead of time, it doesn’t change Obama’s performance, you see, because it is Obama’s tone, his mood, and his stammering “present” (yes, no, maybe, me dunno) answers that did not go over well.

Above his pay grade? The most important people to influence his administration would be his wife and grandma? His “administration,” really?? Plus all the lies…gimme a break.

Also, McCain faced the crowd, had difintive answers, and he told stories, c’mon. He sounded like a very patriotic…president.

Now I am not at all saying that I agree with everything McCain is for, (no, no) but like we have all been saying: at least he is experienced and loves the USA.

Comment by Divine Democrat | 2008-08-19 08:52:11

EXCELLENT point, Kat!! And wow that Obama had an advantage. But I agree - even if each one of them DID know all of the questions, it doesn’t change how they ANSWERED them! Well said!

 

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-08-19 09:13:03

Even if you accept the nonsense about McCain hearing the questions beforehand, McCain having that “advantage” doesn’t forgive or even explain Obama’s lousy performance.

 

Comment by mimi | 2008-08-19 13:56:24

This is why I don’t understand how the 0bama campaign could be stupid enough to whine and call McCain a cheater.

Let’s say for the sake of argument he did hear some of 0bama’s answers. What would he get from those inarticulate remarks. That’s like cheating off the test paper of the stupidest student in class.

 
 
 

Comment by No to O | 2008-08-19 08:42:23

I almost spilled my drink when I heard him state what I thought I had heard during the “conversation.” I understand that Obots are refusing to discuss this event as anything but a conversation. It is obvious that O was thinking on the spot. Too bad he saved it. Wonder what Thomas thinks? Warren and Evangelicals can meet up with those under the bus. I thought Rev Wright was not brought up because he probably prepared a statement for that one.

 

Comment by fif | 2008-08-19 08:42:37

4. At one point Hannity nearly yelled: Obama was not even in the U.S. SENATE to vote against the war! He wasn’t even there! (LOL)

That makes me CRAZY too!! Bill nailed it as a “fairy tale” early on, and he based his entire candidacy (superior judgment) on it. It’s preposterous that he has gotten this far based on this lie. Oh, and thanks to the DNC, the media, the Bot Army, and Wall St. $$

 

Comment by mom2nomads | 2008-08-19 09:09:31

Kat, regarding liberation theology: it is not a “Marxist” theology, it is a very mainstream theology. In the Catholic church (where Obama began his community organizing), it became part of church doctrine after Vatican II and, essentially, puts forth the belief that Christians should follow in the footsteps of Jesus and work for/with the poor, in this way people become close to Christ and, essentially, continue His work.

While it has been especially popular in Latin America among Jesuit priests and nuns, many of whom have been murdered for their work with the poor, it is certainly not confined to Latin America. It is only called “Marxist” by people who see it as a threat to the power structure of the traditional church, to governement (as in El Salvador), or the reign of the wealthy in general.

People who speak against liberation theology only demonstrate that they are traditionalists who are threatened by grassroots movement within religion and would do well to remember that Christ was the one who called on people of faith to serve the poor, not to serve themselves.

Comment by mom2nomads | 2008-08-19 09:28:01

Sorry for replying to my own post but I should have used the word “conservatives” and not “traditionalists” in my reply to Kat regarding Liberation Theology.

Comment by Buzz Latte | 2008-08-19 11:00:58

Dig deeper. The marxist -muslim connections to this brand of black theology come out of the islands and the prisons.

Better to read James H. Cone, if you can stand it, or bone up on Frank Marshall Davis. Those two are Obama’s idols.

Then you will see the unholy branch of black theology that Rev. Wright adheres to.

NO,no,no. This brand of black theology is all about racial power over another race. The black version of the KKK, if you will.

If there is such a thing as the “Whitey tape”, what part will be about serving others and making the world a better place?

 
 

Comment by Clinton Fan | 2008-08-19 10:27:36

What you describe is NOT what Jeremiah Wright was preaching all those years, though.

What they are teaching at TUCC is not what those nuns and priests were teaching the peasants in South America–not even close.

It’s not just the “Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers” philosophy…oh no, no, No, No, NO!

I suggest you mosey on over to the Trinity United Church of Christ website and have a gander at what they believe, particularly with regard to the “mother land” and their focus and slant. It’s called “BLACK Liberation Theology” for a reason. There’s a receiving LINE as to who gets served the everlasting love of JEEEEESUS, and God-Damn, cracker, Ridin’ Dirty Whitey is at the back of it. Because of course, even though Jesus was from Palestine and probably looked like Yassir Arafat, he was “black” doncha know… :roll:

They didn’t give Louis Farrakhan the Trinity Lifetime Achievement Award for shits and giggles, either–there is a philosophical framework to their worldview that says “ME FIRST.” There’s a healthy does of excoration, and a good dollop of REVENGE in the church teachings, too. It may be a ploy to put “pout-raged” asses in the seats with wallets opened wide so the institution can buy million dollar homes for their preachers when they retire, but it’s hardly “Christ-like,” the bullshit they spout.

The teachings of their former pastor also prefer to blame outside forces for every woe, eschewing personal responsibility in many instances.

I found the “theology” to be every bit as whiney and victim-based as the candidate who sat in that church listening to that bullshit for twenty years.

And personally, I don’t think it is an accident that Jeremiah “God Damned” Wright went to the Press Club and Bill Moyers’ program, and made an ass and a spectacle of himself. See–he WANTS Obama to lose…because his “business” is the EXPLOITATION and exaltation of a permanent state of black victimhood…and business is good. It won’t be so hot if Obama gets elected, though…his whole franchise will be told “Quit your bitching–your guy is the Prez, what more do you want?”

It’s hard to continue to play the victim when the King is from your tribe. At that point, you’ve got to take personal responsibility. Wright and his successor Otis Moss would have to change their schtick…and they seem to prefer blaming “the man” for all their woes.

Comment by mom2nomads | 2008-08-19 14:02:51

Trinity is a mainstream Protestant church with both black and white parishoners, there is nothing radical about them.

If homilies or sermons with the same basic message had been given by a white, Catholic priest (or a Protestant, take your pick) the situation would have been looked at very differently.

Let’s take the “chickens have come home to roost” statement (which was originally said by a white, American Diplomat, BTW). If a white priest had stood up in front of his congregation and, in a calm and quiet voice, had given his homily about how we have to conduct our foreign policy with kindness and compassion not only beause we have a moral obligation to do so but because, if we don’t, we give extremists an excuse to target us. If he had said that the fact that our government has often conducted its foreign policy with a brutality that wounds people in their bodies and souls and that, sometimes, there will be people who will use that wounding as an excuse for their hate, people would not be accusing that priest of treason and hatred. Democrats would be standing up and saying that he is speaking the truth, that our foreign policy decisions have come back to bite us in the ass time and again. But the fact that it was an “angry” black man preaching those things scared the crap out of people. That is racism.

 
 

Comment by Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy | 2008-08-19 10:34:51

If I may, there IS a difference between Black Liberation theology and the liberation theology of which you speak. Jim Cone himself said BLT is like bringing together the “Christianity of MLK and the emphasis on blackness from Malcolm X.” This is a good article in the NY Times, from which that quote came: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/weekinreview/04powell.html?ex=1367640000&en=2b5958f5cda4be2c&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

From an NPR article is this quote abt BLT from Cone: “to teach people how to be both unapologetically black and Christian at the same time.” (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89236116)

It is more complicated than two quotes can imply, but there are some very real differences between it and other liberation theologies.

That being said, you are quite right that the liberation theology associated with Latin America is one that stands with the poor and fights for them. Both the RC and Episciopal churches engage in more Liberation theology in Latin America. It can be a pretty stark contrast to mainstream theology here.

Btw, Cone was one of my professors at Union.

Comment by mom2nomads | 2008-08-19 14:27:51

I understand what you are stating here. What I do not understand is why white people are so threatened by the idea of black empowerment.

I grew up in a predominately black neighborhood and was a minority at my high school (I’m white). Many of my closest friends were African-Americans who believed very strongly in black liberation theology and/or black empowerment (including AA Muslims for whom, granted, it wasn’t “liberation theology” but the Muslim belief that you must be charitable, give to people who have less than you, etc). I never got hate from them, they never looked down on me because I was white, and our ideas of a just society did not differ at all. When we had differences we discussed them and learned from each other.

Black liberation theology, black empowerment, is self-empowering. I strongly believe that anyone who is threatened by black liberation theology/empowerment either does not understand it or has some serious issues about race that they need to examine.

 
 
 

Comment by Dawnelle Leona del Puma | 2008-08-19 09:37:34

then Rick Warren is a liar like everyone else beCAUSE I sat there and watched him say OBAMA did WELL at the debate.

He said BOTH men did WELL!

I knew he was lying when he said it too! pft.

 

Comment by Dan R. | 2008-08-19 10:54:38

Barack Obama has never … NEVER …. been willing to go against the far left wing of the Democratic Party on any issue of substance. All his grandiose talk about “reaching across the aisle” is sheer puffery. John McCain is the one who has, repeatedly, reached across the aisle to compromise with Democrats and, in doing so, drawn the considerable ire of the Rush Limbaughs of the world. But he did it because it was the right thing to do.

Obama = Talks The Talk
McCain = Walks The Walk

 

Comment by vinnie | 2008-08-19 11:00:42

thanks for the recap! I’m so glad to hear that FOX is calling Barry on the carpet for his bs. I’m so tired of him lying and lying and the MSM are saying it’s a gaffe. His parents meeting in Selma…a LIE. His uncle liberating Auschwitz…A LIE. His saying he’s not a Muslim…a LIE! And I’m supposed to vote for this pathological liar because of party unity? I just want to see this loser go down in flames come November.

 

Comment by helen | 2008-08-19 12:42:03

Some things that bothered me about the fox report last night:
over 400 people interviewed at columbia did not remember backtrack barack.
I went to 13 different schools in 12 years but if someone I went to school with was a candidate for president I would remember them. That is human nature.
When he talked about the last time he saw his father he said fantasy was better then reality.
From what I see he fantasises everything in his life.
That could get very dangerous.
When is former roommate was down and out in the street another friend helped him, not backtrack barack. when has he ever done anything for someone without a payback?
The more we see of him the less substance there is to him.

COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

Comment by mimi | 2008-08-19 14:02:21

This is stunning to me too. The man is running for POTUS and there’s not one former classmate that remembers 0bama.

Columbia has a very active Black Alumni Association and he’s not a part of that. I just find it more than strange that he did not connect to other students at Columbia.

And yes, that says something about who he is.

 
 
 

Comment by BernieO | 2008-08-19 08:06:40

I heard pundits on Sunday talking about how confident the McCain campaign now is. (You can see this it his bearing, too.) I have always noticed that when a candidate is down, especially when the media is picking them apart, they almost always look very defensive - surprise! The media blames them for being bad candidates like they did with Gore, but I would be willing to bet that had the media been fair, Gore would have been a much different candidate. When you are designated as the uncook kid by the media you are going to get hit no matter what you do, which makes you very self-conscious about everything you say, do - or even wear. The fact that both Clintons can withstand a vicious onslaught with their dignity intact is extremely impressive.

Obama is still getting good press so he can get away with these kinds of stumbles, but the tide may be turning, at least a little. I would like to see just how he handles negative treatment by the media. I think it would show a lot about his ability to withstand the pressure of the presidency. I cannot believe that he will continue to be treated with kid gloves if he is elected and I doubt that he can hole up to the pressure. He might wind up talking to the portraits of the presidents in the White House like Tricky Dick did towards the end.

OT. PLEASE everyone stop using John Corsi’s book to attack Obama. The man is slime. He may have some facts right, but anyone who was willing to lie about a soldier’s bravery in war should be shunned.
From Media Matters:
Corsi on Senator “FAT HOG” Clinton: “Anybody ask why HELLary couldn’t keep BJ Bill satisfied? Not lesbo or anything, is she?”

Not to mention he actually has argued that OIL IS NOT A FOSSIL FUEL!! This guy should is the scum of the earth and no one should ever give him any credence.

Comment by voterinexile | 2008-08-19 08:25:49

it’s too bad Corsi is who he is. Obots have a point when they remind of how Corsi hurt Kerry.
thanks for inserting the slimeball references about HRC, i might’ve been tempted to buy, but not now.

Comment by Steve1 | 2008-08-19 08:54:16

Kerry, I did vote for him and his lying running mate. But it is true that Kerry on the steps of the capitol. “threw his medal of honors away” It was shameful to watch that video clip. I know we all m,ake mistakes-but that was downright SHAMEFUL!

Comment by Dawnelle Leona del Puma | 2008-08-19 09:38:54

no he threw someone ELSES medals in a make shift trash thingy

didn’t even throw his own

 
 

Comment by Hope | 2008-08-19 10:55:06

too bad Corsi is who he is.

Even so, purchasing the book keeps it on the best seller list which helps initiate dialogue on Obama in the media.

 
 

Comment by MEchelle Hates America! | 2008-08-19 08:43:12

I thought that a lot of solders were pissed off because they believed Kerry was the one who went to Congress and denigrated their service to our country.

Comment by MEchelle Hates America! | 2008-08-19 09:32:04

sorry - soldiers

Comment by ziggy | 2008-08-19 14:38:43

Corsi smeared a decorated Vietnam War veteran with excrement so that an AWOL frat boy and his entourage of chicken-hawks could continue a pointless war they’d built on lies. Corsi pocketed a wad for twisting the truth, and Bush’s corporate supporters continued to rake in the war profits. ($547 billion borrowed in the names of you and your kids. Whose pockets do you think that’s gone into? No wonder they consider Iraq worth continuing.)

Corsi slimed the Clintons repeatedly. He slimed Hillary personally, in an effort to ruin her shot at the White House. Corsi is part of the reason Obama is the presumptive nominee.

Now he’s turned his full attentions to Obama, and the money is rolling in again. The guy is a political porographer.

 
 
 

Comment by Clinton Fan | 2008-08-19 10:46:35

I notice that Obama has lately taken to wearing SUITS in Donna Brazille-like “autumn colors.” Remember when that beastly, traitorous woman put poor Al Gore in those newfangled colors? The browns, and greens, and so forth? And then she had him photographed for Rolling Stone, with his great big schlong front-and-center, in such profound relief in a pair of khaki slacks that it looked like he had a ginormous Polska Kielbasa stuffed in his BVDs! That picture guaranteed no one was talking about global warming THAT week!

If Al had stuck to the dark suit, white shirt, and red tie, he’d probably be finishing up his second term, and 9/11 would just be the day before September 12. All of Brazille’s nefarious and ill-thought-out “tweaking” made the guy look weak–and he was anything but.

Then, later, we find out old Donna is good pals with Karl Rove…. (Oooooooooh, and it makes me wonder….)

If you tried to write this scenario substituting fictional names, as a novel, no one would find it believable…!

 
 

Comment by imabeliever | 2008-08-19 08:08:31

Last night On Fox - Hannity- Rick Warren, who held the Forum, said there is absolutely NO WAY that McCain was able to hear the questions that were being asked. Absolute - NO WAY! He also made a comment that if you don’t know who you will vite for after watching that - you never will. He refered to McCain as “COMMANDER”

Comment by Susan | 2008-08-19 09:51:11

I caught that, too. Warren wouldn’t say who he was voting for even though he said he knows who he is voting for and used the word commander for McCain. Speaks volumes.

 
 

Comment by DancingOpossum | 2008-08-19 08:14:19

Nice post!

As far as Sally “Golddigger” Quinn, note that 16 years ago, Hillary snubbed a Sally Quinn luncheon invite and Quinn has never, ever, forgiven Clinton. (She recently wrote a nasty piece of sleaze for the WaPo purporting advising Clinton to go to convent or something). Hillary, btw, had very good reason to avoid the Quinn monster, who began bashing Bill the minute he took office and is a generally nasty, spiteful piece of work.

Comment by Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy | 2008-08-19 08:18:03

Exactly - Quinn has been after the Clintons since Day 1!! So, no surprise that she is continuing in that vein - this one was just particularly, um, odd.

Comment by Cindy | 2008-08-19 10:18:00

Great post Rev, Amy—I think Sally’s plastic surgeries have taken their toll…..Too much nip and not enough tuck, or vice versa!

 
 

Comment by voterinexile | 2008-08-19 08:34:49

Sally ladies who lunch Quinn is leader of the DC girls club - another Queen Bee. She’s put into play the Clinton Hayseed narrative. This first set the DC media elite against the Clinton’s and rest fell in line. Petty and vicious, just like their ‘fresh’ boy toy *61.

Either Sally or Andrea said (I forget) that Hillary galls the media bec. she ‘always has the right answer; you can’t rattle her’ - no GOTCHA with a Clinton, only the ones they fabricate.

The naysayers, wet blankets in the press are all closet politicians - think: Matthews.

In your dreams, people!!!

 

Comment by Clinton Fan | 2008-08-19 08:42:45

Sally Quinn was the Rielle Hunter of her day, only without the baby, and fewer dark roots, no doubt due to a more reliable hairdresser. She’s disgusting.

She was one of those vamping, flirting, husband-stealing bitches (please do pardon my use of the B word, I normally eschew it, but the shoe fits like Cinderella’s slipper in her case) who makes all women, unfairly, look bad.

When you have some tarty, dyed-blonde fool prancing around your newsroom sans brassiere in a silk shirt, oogling and jiggling for “the boss-man,” it breeds resentment in the workforce (i.e. those who WORK) and, particularly during the era when she was pulling that crap, made it DOUBLY tough for women, who were struggling to break glass ceilings and weren’t even close to pay equity, as the men figured that Slutty Sally was representative of her gender, when she wasn’t at all.

She was, and is, top rank on the Skank scale, though–and manages to stay in the upper echelons of that scale for her age bracket. She apparently doesn’t quite understand that the “Former Whore (for all intents and purposes) Turned Washington Hostess” label isn’t “cool” anymore–and she’s no Pamela Harriman, in any event.

What she has done with her life is to behave in a manner that is pathetic and parasitic, and that sums her up pretty handily. What a legacy…not.

Not surprising that she’d diss Clinton, though–Hillary didn’t run around sucking an old man’s HooYah to advance herself in a short-lived “career” as a “newsGIRL,” nor did she set herself up with a wealthy sugardaddy who thought with the little head….no, Clinton went to law school and worked for a living.

Now, Hillary married a guy who was “hard to keep on the porch.” That’s no secret. It’s no secret that the Big Dawg enjoys turning on the charm, too–to some, but apparently not all. I still think Quinn’s main objection to Bill Clinton, and by extension, his wife, is that Bill didn’t respond to her dried-up, hackneyed, desperate vamping and flirting. I’m guessing she turned it on like a searchlight in a swamp looking for a missing toddler, and didn’t get the desired result. It probably killed her that her raddled cheerleader looks impressed the President less than, oh, say, Barbra Streisand’s rather ethnic, lived-in and less-botoxed visage…but then, Barbra has a talent–she can sing.

I think Sally needs to sit her sagging ass down and shut the hell up. It’s unseemly, at her age, to be peddling that thing all over town. She looks like what she is–a tired old FOOL.

Comment by MEchelle Hates America! | 2008-08-19 08:51:50

Clinton Fan -

Note to self: don’t piss off Clinton Fan.

Wow! That was scary good.

Comment by roseeriter | 2008-08-19 09:51:21

Sally sounds like Maureen Dowd’s twin sister.

Comment by MEchelle Hates America! | 2008-08-19 09:56:31

Good call roseeriter!

Maureen Dowdy/Cousin It wigs should be out in time for Halloween.

Does she think the hair hides the blow jobs?

 
 
 

Comment by Cindy | 2008-08-19 11:17:07

Clinton Fan—That was a wonderfully written history lesson about Skank Sally! Thank you!

 

Comment by mimi | 2008-08-19 14:13:08

Oooh Clinton Fan,

Put it out there! I’m tired of these little sordid secrets that everyone politely is tight-lipped about.

The best part is that Sally Quinn is now OLD. That’s the best revenge for women like her.(I’d rather use the B-word, but I’ll refrain from that in this public forum.)

Unfortunately, there are women who get by on this. But in the end, age gets the last laugh.

Wonderful!!!

 
 
 

Comment by DancingOpossum | 2008-08-19 08:15:57

And BernieO is right. Our dislike of Obama should not lead us to abandon all of our rational faculties (leave that to the Obamadroids). Corsi is a lying scuzz.

 

Comment by Clinton Fan | 2008-08-19 08:18:38

The latest excuse for his poor performance?

“Poor widdle baby had a COOOLD…he was SIIIICK. THAT’s why he didn’t do well at the forum!! Yeah, that’s the ticket!!”

It’s pathetic, and it’s true. The “McCain CHEEEEEATED!” theme is going over like a lead balloon, so they’ve switched gears to the “He wasn’t FEEEEELING well” excuse.

Warren was mistaken, though, in the title he gave McCain–IIRC, McCain retired as a Navy Captain, one paygrade above Commander. As I remember, he was a LCDR (0-4) when he got shot down, was promoted while in captivity, and went on to do two tours after his release from Hanoi and subsequent retirement. His tour at the Office of Legislative Affairs no doubt piqued his interest in, and familiarity with, doings on the Hill and in obtaining a seat in Congress.

Comment by fif | 2008-08-19 08:33:51

Does that mean he’s had a cold for the past year, because he ALWAYS performs like this. Remember the “he’s really really tired” meme during the primaries to excuse all his mistakes and word fogs? These justifiers are pathetic.

Comment by Clinton Fan | 2008-08-19 08:52:33

fif, it’s funny as hell. They continue to make excuses for him, like … well, CULTISTS.

If he were some idiot leading a crew of fools in the desert to find the spaceship that was going to take them all to The Planet Nebulon, where they’d be young and live forever, they’d be the ones saying to the news interviewer, “Oh well, it’s because the batteries in the GARMIN were dying, and the GPS didn’t work…the spaceship landed too far away! Don’t blame Our Messiah! The spaceship will be back, SOOON!!!”

They’re Nucking Futz, all of ‘em!