So What About You, John McCain?
By NoQuarter on August 24, 2008 at 10:08 PM in Current Affairs
As the general election phase nears — and because this blog does not endorse either presidential candidate, and owner Larry Johnson has stated very clearly that he does not intend to support John McCain for some very important reasons — it is time to take a hard look at the Republican party’s presumptive nominee.
I was perusing ThinkProgress today, and found this important to point out — that John McCain is not the “straight shooter” that he likes to portray himself as, and has indulged in quite a bit of “flip-flopping” himself:
As Steve Benen has documented, McCain has flip-flopped at least 74 times over the years.
While some of his shifts may be an attempt to “grow” and “refine” his positions, many of his flip-flops were calculated moves to “placate the GOP right” in the course of his run for president:
TAXES: In 2001 and 2003, McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts, saying that they would “mostly benefit the wealthy.” But in 2006 he voted to extend them and now he wants to double them.
IMMIGRATION: In 2006, McCain sponsored immigration reform legislation with Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA), but in a January 2008 debate, he said that he “would not” vote for his own legislation.ROE V. WADE: In 1999, McCain told reporters that he “would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade.” In 2006, McCain expressed his unequivocal support for overturning the decision.
OFFSHORE DRILLING: In 1999, when he first ran for president, McCain supported the moratorium on offshore drilling. In June 2008, however, he called for an end to the federal ban on offshore oil drilling.
RADICAL RIGHT: In 2000, McCain declared Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell “agents of intolerance,” but in 2006 McCain said he no longer considers Falwell an “agent of intolerance.”
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Read this article in full.
There is a reason that Hillary Clinton has chosen to stay with and support the Democratic ticket. She is concerned about the ramifications of another Republican presidency.
Where that leaves me come late October when my ballot arrives, I haven’t decided yet.
I have time. And, quite probably, how I vote will remain my PRIVATE SECRET. It is, after all, my right to cast my vote with the right of privacy.
What I care most about — in terms of rights — is that when 2012 rolls around, that I will be able to cast my PRIMARY VOTE in private, and not in a public caucus that is undemocratic by its very nature.
And what I also care about, come 2012, is that if this 2008 Democratic ticket loses, that I will be able to support Hillary Clinton for the presidency.
Getting back to John McCain: It is essential, before we starting shouting that we’ll vote for McCain if Hillary isn’t nominated, that we take a GOOD HARD, LONG LOOK at this man and his running mate.
Let’s preserve our options.
Let’s keep them guessing.
Let’s never say “never.” Too many people through countless millenia have rued making that statement.
Let’s remain open to possibilities.
And let’s keep our eyes on the ultimate prize.
Let’s be an example OF her FOR her.
Short and to the point about Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cihE79CCWbA&feature=email
Hmmmmmm…..that’s kinda lame.
Articles like this one only serve to encourage people to vote for Obama so if you keep this up - you won’t get a chance to vote Hillary in 2012 - it will be OBAMA again. Thanks.
Yeah! I don’t come to no quarter to read about McCain. I come to No Quarter because I hate how Obama stole the vote with his rigged caucuses and how the Main Stream Media don’t report on it.
No Quarter is an oasis of news reporting on Obama that doesn’t exist anywhere else. Surely there enough Obama material to report on.
Stop listening to the Obamabots emailing you telling you that you are just a Republican website now.. because you’re not.. you’re Pro-Democratic… the Democracy that no longer exists in the Democratic party!
Let’s make sure Barry doesn’t win!
I do not have a huge problem with candidates flip-flopping on some things because they cannot get through the primaries any other way. I am actually heartened by the fact that McCain originally opposed Bush’s tax cuts. But what can we expect politicians to do? Always stand on principle then go down in flames? Of course if our idiot media ever bothered to do their jobs, there would be very few people bamboozled by lies like “tax cuts pay for themselves” (they NEVER do). Of course, there is always the risk that a politician will stick to these positions even though they don’t really believe in them so that they can get reelected. McCain is hopefully independent enough that once in office he would start representing all of the people, not just his base, but who knows? (In fact he may figure on just one term which would really free him up, but he can’t say that publicly or he’ll be a “lame duck”.) The good think about the tax cuts is that there will be even more Dems in Congress so he won’t be able to get that passed anyway.
What I think is important to know about McCain is if he is another neocon. I know he was an early Chalabi supporter - very disturbing. Was his belligerant response to Russia just posturing for his base, posturing to put Putin on notice, or dces he really want a return to the Cold War? If so he can do this without Congressional approval. I know the Pentagon respects him (and Hillary) and they were not happy with Bush’s recklessness, which makes me think he is not an ideologue, but some of positions really make me wonder.\
Does anyone have any info about this that is not just spin?
There is a difference on rethinking and changing your mind for the times and benefit of the people, as far as offshore drilling goes, gas wasnt the threat it has become today..dear, as far as woe v wade use birthcontrol, instead of murder than you wont have to use that as an excuse, funny how the treehuggers are all first in line to protest war against alquaida, beheaders, rapists and tortures but give no rights to a baby who cannot yet speak, but breathes feels pain, has no problem killing.
And we do not need a adultering druggy, who is in bed with our enemies at any given moment, oh and did i forget to mention, he plans for you to pay up the ying yang for slavery,,get ready to write your checks to rev wright,,care of trinity church, and global poverty will take up any extra funds they save in letting terrorism run rampid..enjoy hell on earth while you can, vote obama if you want that change!
Adultering druggy? Killing babies? The nut jobs on this site who resort to such lame statements amuse me. How about we stick to the issues? Yeah I forgot Obama is a muslim terrorist. LOL
I agree with Ai!een…stop fueling the fire. I have never been disappointed with an article at NQ…until now. The only thing you are doing is giving the Obamabots ammunition. Why on earth would you want to point out all of McCain’s flip flops for the Obama campaign to see when you know his paid bloggers are scamming every single pro Hillary site? This is cutting off your nose to spite your face…not very smart.
I supported Hillary and it pains me to see her in the role to which she has been delegated. I WILL vote McCain regardless of how many flip flops he has made because the alternative to a McCain administration would be devastating.
McCain is like the walking dead. Too old. Obama is like slick Rick. Great choice. I don’t worry about 2012. Let’s deal with the here and now.
So, where should we go folks?
We aren’t going to be welcome much longer, so who knows of a place?
Suggestions please.
Uppity Woman’s site?
Perfect!! Two thumbs up!! Great idea.
Here’s that Uppity Woman link:
http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/
I’ll just go on over to that site because now it seems they’re flip-flopping over to Obama’s side. After all that dirt digging on Obama, they’ve decided they would like to wallow in the dirt with him.
Go do something that matters. Instead of complaining and spending all your time here. My spouse spends 10 hours a day or more on this site. What a joke. I used to like the articles Larry would post that really had something to say about our security and what was happening. All it is now is a bunch of people complaining. It is over. All I keep hearing is Obama is done. When? I won’t vote for either loser. They are both the typical politician. Liars that will say anything to get elected.
Get off the fence, Larry and Susan. If you don’t want Obama as President, follow the advice of John McCain’s mother. Hold your nose and vote for her son.
No problem here. I’d vote for a cockroach before I would vote for Obama.
Me too.
AS well here.
Exactly! John McCain was NOT my first choice but now that it has come down between B. Hussein and Mac, there’s no contest. B. Hussein will be a disaster for this country.
I agree. America before party.
I would have sex with a cockroack and snort rat poison in the back of a Yugo before I would ever vote for Obama after all I have learned about him.
I propose we start a New Coalition
Lets call it PU?FU! - Party Unity? F*ck You!
Why not call it “Republicans”. It’s a bit clearer.
Ted.
Go choke on Obama’s aka George W Bush II’s Pretzel.
I’m HEADING to your SITE for the FIRST time!!!!! I truly HOPE this SITE(NQ), isn’t about to BECAME Tayolr Marsh 2.0!!!!! JUST SAYIN!!!!
Uppity Woman SITE!!!!
Agreed.
Sorry.
I have to agree here. There is simply too much at stake.
Riding the fence is going to make this site feel schizofrenic.
You can’t play both sides of the issue now. Not after how hard we battled for hillary.
Hillary has no choice. She has dedicated her life to working in the system to make it work better for her fellow citizens. She is now doing what she has no choice but to do. Would you have her sacrifice herself politically to make a point at this stage when you know the rest of the lemmings refuse to stop? Or would you have her live to fight another day?
But us? we are not politicians, we are ordinary americans.
And we DO own our votes.
For us to take a stand and fight for what we believe in or fight against what we dont costs us very little in comparison.
Frankly, if i want to read about how babies are sacrificed in the basement of all 7 of McCains mansions i can go to Daily Kos or Huffington Post to get that, and pandering to coverage of negative John McCain stories here will draw that type of troll and those types of stories even more.
We have enough of a troll problem already.
This is where i come to hang out with other intelligent whitty (not whitey) non-pod people of free mind who were strongly for Hillary and are still highly offended by how she was treated and are truly horrified (not through ignorance of but because we have learned so much about) at the prospect of an obama presidency.
I can get my John McCain is evil at plenty of other sites.
I can understand that you are concerned that the site might become less relevant now that hillary is nearly out of the race, so by attacking both McCain and Obama you can keep it in the mix, but i am not sure thats a wise decision.
First the Trolling and hostility on the threads will sky rocket. What is considered a great poster on one thread would qualify as a total troll on another…there goes the neighborhood.
Secondly, Playing the devils advocate on both sides of the fence in this most crucial presidential election implies there is truly no (god i hate to use this word after how meaningless Obama has made it) hope for us as americans this cycle.
Draw the battle line and choose your side.
If Not Hillary then who?
You can not in good faith vote Present.
Not after all we have discovered about Obama here.
Not after all that has been done by the corrupt in the DNC.
Not after all we know.
To vote Present now, Larry and Susan, is to pull an Obama.
we are ordinary americans
I differ with you Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright, those who supported Senator Clinton and are being shown the true measure of all thing Obama are not “ordinary”. To a person, Slim Shady would be proud… Time to clean out the closet.
I saw that CNN had a caption referring to BoBiden as the “Dynamic Duo”. Better call ahead to Gotham City and alert them.
I say make it an ANYBODY BUT BARACK franchise that supports the election of downticket DEMS.
That doesn’t mean you have to support McCain for the Presidency, either.
There ARE other candidates running…and there’s always that write-in option.
If we roll over and play dead, they’ll never appreciate how pissed we are. They’ll believe–and RIGHTLY–that we can be bullied.
I will not be bullied. I will not be !threatened. I will not be cowed.
Obama can kiss my ass. He does NOT get my vote.
That Democratic Congress had better get up off their well-fed behinds and GET TO WORK. Earn that fat paycheck–those enabling bastards are half the problem!!!
What is this? I am on No Quarter right? You just can’t do this and it really doesn’t make any sense. After months of being a pro-Hillary/anti-Obama site (and it’s ok to not be for Obama no matter what he tells you)you start doing this switch? It’s like you got sick of playground trolls calling you a Republican site. We know this isn’t a Republican site. You know this isn’t a Republican site. So, who cares what everyone else thinks? I am so sick of the media’s love affair with Barack Obama and their bashing of John McCain. I come to No Quarter to get away from all that. I know John McCain. He’s been in the public eye for a very long time. I thought the whole point of No Quarter was to vet a candidate that wasn’t being vetted and remains largely a secret(BO)which is a very dangerous thing in regards to the presidency.
I’m voting for John McCain in November. Not because I’m a Republican, but because Barack Obama and the DNC have decided to take my vote away from me. They don’t care what I think, as a voter, and I’m going to return the favor. This is not meant to be ‘The Communist States of America.’ McCain 2008, Hillary 2012.
Just to clarify, I originally came to NQ because of the constant bashing of Hillary by the media. NQ was and still is my morning cup of coffee. In the famous words of Billy Joel, “Don’t go changin’ to try to please them. We love you just the way you are.”
I concur. One of the reasons I am an ex-democrat is because the party ignored its base. I was a democrat for 32 years, I voted for a Democrat each time. But not this year. Henceforth I will vote the person and not the party. And any politician representing me had better toe the line. Down-ticket politicians who support this provocateur are part of the problem. The solution is to force them to find a different line of work–like selling used cars.
To support Oblahblah now is to support the questionable ethical conduct at work behind his nomination.
We are the employers, not the employed.
I’m with all of you, I’ll vote McCain, I will not start waffling on Obama.
Why in the hell would you vote for someone if you have to hold your nose?
I am not supporting either candidate. It was Hilary all the way. I will not vote for McCain just because I don’t like Obama. Where the hell is that logic?
Four more years of the same BS? No thanks.
Here is another video about Obama.
They are coming left and right tonight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8cNtH1mULo
That was so funny my neighbors heard me laughing. The look on the mob’s faces was pricesless.
HOLY SHIT that was funny! Priceless!
HAHAHA.
Obama / Biden 08: Holy / Shit.
Funny, Priceless and very creative. Kudos to whomever made that video.
Positively Brilliant Video!
I hope it goes VIRAL!!
viral viral viral I laughed till I cried.
Shit, I cannot get it to play–even adding the suffix. Damn ….
Ah…FINALLY! Yes, it was fantastic!
Funny as hell, and painful…but then, the truth often hurts!
That is an excellent video. I am disgusted with Obama and am hoping for the day when people see this fraud for what he is and do exactly what needs to be done — just walk away from the clown.
i agree, i will hold my nose and vote for mccain. i got off the fence over a year ago when I heard about rezko.
everytime those buildings were downgraded, crime, drugs and murders went up.
i blame obama for this.
Yeah blame one man for all the thugs out there. That makes sense.
I can take the Mc flip flopping. But not Obama.
No experience + Flipity flop = train wreck
Flip-flopping with 8 year intervals is not exactly the same thing as flip-flopping on every core issue you have been advocating within ONE MONTH of gaining the nomination! Off-shore drilling and what we now know about climate change and peak oil was completely different in 1999 than it is now. The other things will require more research. I don’t believe anything unless I read it from multiple sources now. Way too much propaganda and misinformation floating around.
However, having said that, for me it’s only a matter of whether I will consider McCain or someone else, because I will never vote for Obama and condone the voter suppression and fraud of BO and the DNC. They must get a clear message about that or it will set a devastating precedent.
McCain’s reversals on the Bush tax cuts, offshore drilling, waterboarding, and the indefinite detention of suspects at Guantanemo have all been during the run-up to the 2008 election.
Obama’s reversal on:
Iraq:
“Just this week, when I was asked, would I have voted for the $87 billion dollars, I said ‘no.’ I said no unequivocally because, at a certain point, we have to say no to George Bush. If we keep on getting steamrolled, we are not going to stand a chance.” [Obama remarks, New Trier Democratic Organization forum, 11/16/03]
But until he ran for president, Obama supported every funding bill for Iraq. [2005 Vote # 117, HR1268, 5/10/05; 2005 Vote # 326, S1042, 11/15/05; 2006 Vote # 112, HR4939, 5/4/06; 2006 Vote # 239; 2006 Vote # 186, S2766, 6/22/06, HR5631, 9/7/06]
Illegal Immigration:
In a March 2004 questionnaire, Obama was asked if the government should “crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants.” He replied “Oppose.”
In a Jan. 31, 2008, televised debate, he said that “we do have to crack down on those employers that are taking advantage of the situation.”
Decriminalization of Marijuana:
While running for the U.S. Senate in January 2004, Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use.
In the Oct. 30, 2007, presidential debate, he joined other Democratic candidates in opposing the decriminalization of marijuana.
There are many more examples of flip flops by Obama.
I take it that McCain is just
placating the right wing. With a Democratic congress
he will work from the center.
McCain is no the “straight shooter” these days
but Obama does not have the ability to take
a single consistant stand. McCain
has changed some positions most likely to appeal
to the right wing base of his party. Obama cannot
keep a consistant position on anything.
The Democratic Congress has been more pliant than a basketful of newborn puppies with the Bush Administration; rolling over and giving him everything on his wish list: unlimited war funding, FISA reform, you name it, the White House got it. Oh sure, they make noise for the public while doing it, but let’s face it: they are a Democratic majority in name only.
If the Democratic Congress of 2008 can’t find the spine to resist and oppose the will of the wildly unpopular and incredibly inept Bush Administration, what makes you think they’ll present any kind of opposition to the McCain Administration?
Remember, McCain would be taking office in a radically empowered White House, after eight years of the Bush Administration doing everything it can to gut the power of Congress using signing statements, laughable political and legal arguments that amount to “The President is our King!” and even suggesting that the Vice President is an entirely separate branch of the government beholden to neither the executive or the legislative, and even now, Congress has failed to hold the administration accountable for any of it!
Voting for John McCain expecting him to have to work against a Democratic tide would be a serious mistake.
The only resistence to anyone’s political will comes from the Republicans in Congress, who have spent the last two years engaging in obstructionism in order to thwart the Democractic plurality and bring congress to a standstill, out of reflexive anti-Democratic-Party sentiment. The only bills they allow to pass without threatening a filibuster are the ones the Bush Administration approves of - they’ll even vote against their own bills if it means Congress is neutered.
Again, expecting a McCain Presidency to be leashed by a Democratic Congress is, politically, a fairy-tale. The only Congresspersons willing to execute the function of their branch are the Republicans, and only then if it thwarts a Democratic initiative. The Democratic Congress certainly hasn’t shown any ability or desire to.
The alternative - an Obama presidency - is TEN TIMES worse.
McCain is - hands down - the lesser of two evils.
In what specific way?
For one, McCain isn’t proposing “a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just was well-funded” as our military.
I don’t see him “proposing” that. I see him advocating improving what we’ve got.
Besides, you’re going to have to explain to me how providing national security from within the nation instead of invading non-terrorist nations on some sort of “flypaper” theory is worse - every single study of global terrorism over the last six years have shown that the current methods of fighting terrorism make the problem worse, not better.
No one “has to” explain any thing to you - work requirements are for Barky Obots. Go away.
That’s a dopey statement. We already have one and it’s called Blackwater and KBR and the other 150,000 of them in Iraq alone. I remind you this was set up by the Republicans in charge, including John McCain. He needs those civilian forces to protect him when he goes to Iraq to buy rugs for his photo ops!
Earmarks. His record of opposing earmarks means he is a better reform candidate who opposes the revolving door in Washington. This is bad news for the Tom Daschles of the Hill. No looting the treasury and taking a cushy lobbying job after you’ve betrayed your constituents.
One of the Senators most successful last term at securing “ear marks” was Hillary Clinton. “Ear Marks” help fund projects that would not be funded otherwise. Not all “earmarks” are bad.
I remember the comment. John McCain is dead set against them, and it’s pretty clear where Obama and the people pulling his strings stand on them. We have a huge deficit now. If you can’t show how you’ll pay for earmarks, and you have a poor track record with them, then a rubber stamp Congress is too much to entrust to you.
Give me a break. John McCain could have stopped all of the earmarking by placing one of their “secret holds”. It is great rhetoric to say I will stop earmarks. It’s another to actually do it. He will never stop earmarks unless Congress changes the way it does the peoples business. He can talk the good B.S. all he wants but his actions in the Senate prove otherwise.
Also, not enough attention has been paid to the roots of neoconservatism. It was a political philosophy that emerged in the US from the rejection of the social liberalism, moral relativism, and New Left counterculture of the 1960s. It influenced the presidential administrations of Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, representing a realignment in American politics, and the transition of some liberals to the right of the political spectrum; hence the term, which refers to being ‘new’ conservatives. George W. Bush ran as a “compassionate conservative.” His faith-based initiative programs laid groundwork for a fascist movement in our government.
The term neoconservative was originally used as a criticism against liberals who had “moved to the right”. Michael Harrington, a democratic socialist, coined the usage of neoconservative in a 1973 Dissent magazine article concerning welfare policy. According to E. J. Dionne, the nascent neoconservatives were driven by “the notion that liberalism” had failed and “no longer knew what it was talking about.” This is why so many Republicans rejected George W. Bush and why neoconservatism is a lame duck in this election.
The people in power who want to remain in power from behind the scenes have now infiltrated the Democratic party, the new party of choice for big business and elites. The Republican brand has been seriously damaged. But Bush was able to pull off his agendas with allies in the hard line left of the Democratic party; they shared the same agendas with the neoconservatives. It was a useful alliance. And Obama will be their puppet.
McCain has always shown an independent streak, and he has good moral character and judgment. Obama looks ruthlessly ambitious, cynical and ultimately self-serving. Plus, he does not have much national level experience. There is too much room for him to be taken advantage of once in office, and there is actually little that would suggest he isn’t as corrupt as the rest of the rats around him. Plus, he’s a liar.
There will never be anything worse than the Bush admin. I will never vote for the lesser of two evils. Everyone should stay home. Not one vote for either. That would be the better message. Give us two candidates people can get behind. I can hear the aftermath of a McCain Presidency. Then who will you blame? Everyone who votes for either candidate will be responsible. No thanks.
the biden hits the fan. just in time for the convention.
http://londonamerican01.blogspot.com/2008/08/now-it-hits-fan-watch.html
A victory for Obama will only ensure the complete loss of the Democratic Party. People like Hillary will no longer be welcome in the party nor will they have any real power. In order to defeat the Obama takeover of the party, and rebuild the party, it’s necessary to defeat the party. If one does not wish to vote for McCain, how does one accomplish this?
Well said.
I’m going to have to agree. If anything, I’m voting McCain to make sure I send a loud message to Ms. Brazile that I didn’t stay home.
Don’t you get it? The party is lost and has been for a long time. They both stink. This is all politics all the time. All it is about anymore is who has more power. Who can screw up the country. How many politicians do any of you trust? They all have baggage and they all have things in their past that are not very favorable. I am a Hilary and Bill supporter and always have been. But they have some icky stuff in their past too. Obama is not God. He only took over the party because all of the Dems allowed him to. A defeat will not obtain the objective you mention. No amount of lamenting is going to change where we are now. Don’t vote. Neither McCain or Obama deserve one vote from any American. Period.
I find it hard to believe that after all that has been said on this site that you can now start acting like TM
McCain is a true American hero who has the experience and integrity to lead this great country at a time of great peril.
Did I mention that McCain is Pro American!
This is no less than a fight for our way of life and existence.
I bury my differences with republicans as we meet together in the center to defeat the Anti-Americans.
American Nationalist!
Forever
Hillary or McCain!
Obama is NOT an option!
When you’re trying to decide between two options–neither of which was your first choice–it’s important to take a long hard look at both of them.
This is good honest advice for Obama and McCain supporters alike.
McCain’s feet will have to be held to the fire — and he will have to be watched. McCain isn’t a saint — he is after all, a Republican. I do not trust the GOP and I do not trust the Dems.
Obama will be a joke from here on out — but he also needs to be watched — and called on his flip flops and LIES.
PUMA — member of no party — cats can’t be herded.
When one of the options is my last choice I don’t need to spend too waste too much time examinating them. I suppose Obama was taking a hard look at Wright, Phleger, Ayers, MicHELLe and the rest of his weirdo clan for the last 20 years. Anyone who has not figured this out by now ought not be voting. I have been way ahead of the curve on Obama and have been waiting for others to catch up.
I find it hard to believe that after all that has been said on this site that you can now start acting like TM
My thoughts exactly, although I’m holding my tongue, for now.
Ditto
I’m not holding my tongue any more for ANY PERSON or ANY SITE - especially after the manipulations that have gone on in this election thus far…
Coming here tonight has been a PROFOUND disappointment and disillusionment.
This site has done a good job at exposing Obama — attempting to criticize the only person who can derail Obama is counter productive.
Exactly.
I don’t care about appearing balanced and fair. NoQuarter is not
HuffingtonpostPoliticoCNNMSNBC…fuck it i can’t think of a blanced MSM outlet cuz there isnt one.My Point is the War has begin.
The Battle Lines are Drawn.
Voting Present is NOT an option.
Seattle Moss - well said - Maybe we can reason with Larry.
Thank you, Susan.
I like the idea of “keeping them guessing”. The more they want us, our leverage increases.
I too fear another republican administration, and if obama has no coattails, the dems could lose everything.
Damn the DNC for forcing an unqualified, ineligible candidate on us when we needed a fighter for America!
Hillary has one week of leverage. She either seals the deal and grabs the nomination, or her supporters who are unimpressed with Obama and feel this election is too important to sit out or vote third party will vote for McCain this year.
Exactly. This is a hell of a time to waffle on voting against Obama.
It’s not about McCain. It’s about making sure these THUGS don’t get away with election-jacking tactics like these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIJVLxhmbXw&eurl=http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=12119
Convention Eve CNN Poll: Hillary Defections Hurting Obama
http://patriotroom.com/?p=1386
I wouldn’t dream of telling anybody else what they should do. But there is no way I’m voting for John McCain. Absolutely no way.
With respect, you own your own vote. As do we all.
But what is the course of action to use our votes to keep Obama from being elected? Barack Obama and the Democratic Party have done everything possible to keep Hillary Clinton out of power … not just out of the White House, but out of the power structure of the Democratic Party. Hillary and Bill Clinton will be put on display at this convention to make one last attempt to lure a large group of her voters back into the fold. According to a report by Fox this evening, Hillary wants Obama’s fundraising list (she might not want it when she realizes there are contributors in the middle east on the list, but hey that’s another story.) Obama will not share that list. Hillary has been jumping through hoops to raise money, woo voters, etc. for Obama even while he splashed in the Hawaiian surf. Now she’s gong to release her delegates on Wednesday, we hear. It’s an endless, non stop insult to Hillary. And she doesn’t even get that fundraising list. But I really am starting to believe that she and Bill are going to be shut out and that will be that. Even if Obama loses this election, if he loses by a few votes, you can bet he’ll be back in 2012. He needs to get his butt kicked in this election. Do we make that happen by voting for Ralph Nader? Keep in mind that there are Republicans who will vote for Obama.
Well it is a problem. If your main concern is that Obama not be elected then that may be your most effective option. I just can’t do it, personally.
I’m a Democrat — even though the party needs changing. I’ll focus on trying to change it from the inside, I guess. I just can’t cross over to the other party. It’s not that McCain doesn’t have some good qualities — he does. But his party’s vision for America the polar opposite of my own in nearly every important way.
Neither party truly represents me. I suspect there are many that feel the same way. But I’m trying to look past the candidates and focus on the larger picture. It’s difficult, but I think it’s necessary.