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A Distant Sound of Thunder


In the old, old days before the cities and the highways, before the smokestacks and the chimneys, before we knew the sea and the sun, the sky and the stars for what they truly are - even in those ancient days - we knew what leadership was and we know it still. We feel its presence - the ancient Greeks said “the God is near” when they felt it, we know its absence too…

From the gods and demi-gods of Summer: Enki and Innana through Gilgamesh with his friend and nemesis Enkidu to the heroes of the Iliad: “god-like” Achilles, Ajax, Hector, Diomedes and Odysseus, there is a common thread. In our ancient dreams we draw forth the leader from among us, we invest them with our trust and our collective honor and we demand one special thing from them…

Those whom the gods choose, we anoint with oil, we clothe with gold and in their honor we burn precious Frankincense from Ubar… Why?

Through the ages we have had many leaders - not all of them good, nor any of them perfect.

They have a few attributes in common: some can mesmerize a crowd with thrilling rhetoric, some speak softly and move quietly along their way, some beguile with dreams of wonder or ‘cry havoc’ on an oppressor, stirring us to do what we had thought we could not do. There are some who revel in chaos or who are possessed by a holy fire; they send their acolytes to oblivion with promises of paradise ringing in their ears - they, too, are leaders. And there are some who have the power but, sadly, have nowhere to put it, no plan or one plan too many…

Most often we find the qualities of true leadership - in the place we would look first: the military. Leadership in the military is not an option, it is a bare, stark necessity. And, like courage, it need not be displayed because it is assumed. Woe to the young JG who fails this test, if he’s lucky he may just be shouldered aside by his NCO, if not he may wake in the middle of the night next to a live grenade.

Here’s the thing:

Leadership is comprised of many qualities: responsibility, courage, wisdom, experience, judgment, instinct, passion, vision, perseverance, loyalty… among others. But it is founded upon one quality only: sacrifice. All leaders understand this innately but most skew the interpretation to stand it on its ear, they think it must mean your sacrifice. These are always the bad leaders, the narcissists, the warmongers, the tinpot dictators, the power-mad politicians who will sacrifice anyone and everyone to gain their grail. They never seem to achieve it… and because of this fundamental misunderstanding, they never will.

True leadership, is based on self-sacrifice, on the willing gift or, as the Greeks put it, “the sacrifice that goes, consenting”. In the elder days this was literal truth, in times of emergency, of war, of drought or famine, plague or pestilence; the king was called by the god to sacrifice himself for the people.

Oedipus, the King of Thebes sent to the Oracle at Delphi to ask Apollo what to do in a time of great drought and famine. He expected to be called to account for the city’s sins and, in a way, he was. The Oracle told him to “seek out the unclean thing”; he did, and found himself.

We do not demand that our leaders hurl themselves from high places any more nor immolate themselves in the sacred fire nor battle dragons in their lairs. The nightmares are different now: the mushroom cloud, the ravening packs of corporate wolves, the manic hordes of religious madmen (perhaps not so different after all) but the bedrock principle of self-sacrifice remains the defining characteristic of leadership.

Why is this important?

It is important because the tale of history hangs on simple choices, choices that, in retrospect, look freighted with overt meaning but which looked innocent and simple at the time - simple as a hanging chad.

It is important because we have two exemplars in front of us right now, showing both sides and qualities of leadership. The one who spoke on Tuesday showed us elegance and grace, intelligence and compassion, aspiration and accomplishment. More than that, she exhibited all the qualities of the good leader: she shared with us and invited us to share with her and most of all she spoke of her dedication and continuing commitment to core principles and to the common good. Every idea was based on internal conviction and was applied to an external solution. This is the good leadership model: showing by thought and by action, the path forward and speaking the magic incantation: “Follow me!”

The other exemplar we will hear tonight and, if the past has any instructive value, he will, once again, tell us his story, tell us that he is the one he has been waiting for. He will use the rhetoric that attempts to make the ‘other’ into himself, subsuming his followers into his own ego, demanding that sacrifice to himself and then speaking of his dreams, his hope, his change. But there will be an emptiness in his words, as there always is, the hollowness of his core deprives his words of value, the emptiness of his principles is revealed as his lofty rhetoric falls flat. Because there is no internal transcendence of self, his speeches are devoid of power and worse, they show us his inner emptiness. This is why we recoil when he speaks.

One can also tell something about a leader by the company s/he keeps, by the actions of his/her followers and by the environment s/he chooses.

Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers and Tony Rezco are not role models we want for our children, what they have in common is a willingness to suborn the good will of others in search of power. The actions of Axelrod, Pelosi, Dean and Brazile are wanton in their blatant contempt for democracy and savage in their zealotry.

The strutting, preening, pompous parade that is the Obama presentation will reach its climax tonight with his investiture at Invesco Field where, before 80,000 adoring acolytes, he will emerge from the colonnades of a faux Greek temple to accept their adulation. The histories of mad Roman emperors comes to mind. But that pales beside the modern mirror - an instantaneous comparison will rocket to the mind of anyone old enough to remember “Triumph of the Will”. Perhaps there is no one on his staff who can remember those times - or has even seen the movie…

The faux presidential seal, the replacement of the US flag on the tail of his campaign plane with his branded logo, the ‘beer and sausages’ rock concert in Berlin - not at the Brandenburg Gate, a symbol of hope and freedom, but at the Siegessäule, the “Victory Column” used, among others, by Hitler to celebrate his victories over neighboring states. All these ornate trappings, the egregious excesses, the arrogance and contempt… all bespeak a man who knows his reach has exceeded his grasp, they are all an attempt to create the very thing they lack, to engender the confidence in others that is not manifest in the self.

There are many paths to self-knowledge, they all require hard work on the inner self to achieve that knowledge and they all require us to give up what we love best: ourselves. Musashi - the master swordsman of Japan, tells us in his “Book of Five Rings” that victory is only achieved when we can look into the Void.

The problem in general is that there are different types of people who grow or acquire leadership capabilities - being a leader is not a guarantee of good humor, good judgment or good sense. Certainly there is a quantum of talent involved in leadership, and there are a shelf full of books that will teach you everything you ever wanted to know (and a lot you didn’t want to know) about how to practice leadership. A leader can be dedicated, passionate, loyal to his cause… and utterly evil (Pol Pot for instance) or he can have those same qualities and be regarded as a secular saint (Lincoln for instance - unless you’re from the South).

The essential quality of the man or woman will always make itself manifest - you are known by the company you keep, by the deeds that you do and by the quality of the relationships that you form. If your relationships are about trust and honor, respect, consultation and mutually beneficial collaboration - the god stays with you and, sometimes, you will hear the distant sound of thunder.

If, on the other hand, your relationships are all about steppingstones to power or about power itself, then you may indeed ascend the rungs of power over the bodies of erstwhile friends and enemies alike - but the only sound you are likely to hear is the echo of your own thoughts…

Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.” - Euripides

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Comment by Mr. X | 2008-08-29 21:55:03

I think you should add that great leaders don’t abandon their people when they need him to stand up for them, such as was the case in Michigan and Florida. If Obama’s not willing to stand up for people then, he most definitely won’t do anything in the future.

Leaders also have principles. Lines that they will not cross. I don’t know of a single line Obama won’t cross. Without this, there can be no sense of self which is why Obama is described as an empty suit.

Comment by PJ | 2008-08-29 22:16:43

Mr. X - I agree totally. I was already in Hillary’s camp but was keeping an open mind about Obama. I thought the FL/MI debacle was a test to see if he had greatness in him (since he obviously didn’t have the resume). To me, greatness is when you’re willing to go against your own self interest to do what is right.

It’s looking like Palin has that characteristic - not Obama.

 

Comment by TeakwoodKite | 2008-08-29 22:41:01

don’t abandon their people when they need him to stand up for them,

Moses’s pleas to the Pharoh, fell on deaf ears.

and BO’s ears? Same thing. deaf.

 

Comment by ee | 2008-08-29 22:52:30

Did FL/MI get full votes?

Yes they did? Oh, cary on.

Comment by socalannie | 2008-08-29 23:19:10

What votes? I’m in Calif & the Calif delegation was told to pass. Our votes were all for nothing. In the end, no ones votes counted. Barky was nominated by acclamation, not by receiving the required number of delegates. The entire Dem conv was a sham from start to finish. I will not vote for any dem until the crooks that ran this show are run out of town.

Comment by ee | 2008-08-29 23:25:33

I know learning how a party primary works is a lot for a newcomer, but really, you just look like a moron when you repeat thing that are not true.

The only sham was puma people raising money from upset hillary people by filling them with false promises and bullshit information.

Aren’t you at all pissed at hillary for wasting so much money so early and conceding the caucuses because she was broke?

Aren’t you pissed that puma went on tv and cut hillary’s ability to retire her debt by claiming puma had taken care of it?

Can you not see the web of lies built for you to believe hillary is a victim and obama an abuser?

wake up.

Comment by Pink Panther | 2008-08-29 23:34:24

“Moron”? Really ee, try to be more adult in your use of words. While Obama supporters are not known to be the brightest people in America, they should be able to at least read a dictionary and learn to use different words.

The web of lies are those told by Obama, his trolls, and the Obama New Democratic Party. In particular, it is now becoming well know that they are all bigots.

You are helping to expose the truth about how bigoted the Obama New Democratic Party truly is.

Obama’s Democratic Party: Home of racist, sexist and misogynist.

Comment by ee | 2008-08-29 23:44:19

lol

good luck with that one.

 
 

Comment by Jim | 2008-08-30 13:53:10

No man I’m pissed because the Obama crowd called RACISM on Hillary in order to defeat her.

THAT was unforgivable. The party is now run by these same slanderers.

And yes, it was a real eye-opener to learn what caucuses were all about. I was aware of them but until C-SPAN showed us how completely fucked they were I never could figure out how Kerry won Iowa in 2004. Well now I know what an unrepresentative joke they really are and how a lame-ass candidate like Obama could game the system and “win”.

 
 

Comment by PJ | 2008-08-29 23:27:02

Amen - and it WAS a sham - very depressing for me. It was sickening to watch the corruption of the DNC. They need to go. At the top of my list is Dean, Brazille (sp) and Pelosi. I’m voting republican this year. Would never be a republican but can’t be a democrat any more. I’m indpendent.

 

Comment by SueB. | 2008-08-30 01:29:02

Arkansas here. Hillary won the state with 70%.
Delegates voting? 32 Obama, 8 Hillary.
Apparently my vote didn’t matter, either.

 
 

Comment by vinnie | 2008-08-29 23:19:50

after the fix was in with the bogus roll call…your point?

 

Comment by PewL | 2008-08-29 23:47:58

THe votes for FL>MI went to the wrong person,Obama stole her votes…

 

Comment by steven Mather | 2008-08-30 02:37:49

Note: ee does not want people to learn. What does ee’s comment have to do with the topic. Frankly, nothing, but ee’s job is to stop you from questioning. if you are new, please follow along the thread as the tactics of the brownshirts are disclosed.

 
 

Comment by Kal | 2008-08-29 23:40:00

Well said, Mr. X!

 
 

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-08-29 21:57:24

Obama/Soretoro has no core. He is not a leader. He is not presidential material at all. NObama in NOvember.

McCain/Palin 08

Comment by suspendedanimation | 2008-08-29 22:07:27

B Hussein O ambition for POTUS is SOOOOOO profound, that he will go to any lengths to get it. As evidenced by, all we have seen so far, and all that is coming down the pike before November.

Comment by ee | 2008-08-29 22:54:11

lol. what an idiot you are.

And an islamophobic asshole to boot.

Comment by steven Mather | 2008-08-30 00:32:32

Many people throughout time with the name Hussein are not Muslim. Hussein is an archaic name.

Who is the idiot?

Comment by suspendedanimation | 2008-08-30 00:37:34

Touche steven!

Comment by steven Mather | 2008-08-30 00:55:04

Unfortunately, SA, they are not here to be touched.

I can be convinced that I am wrong, because I am wrong frequently. Their problem is that they are evangelical about their beliefs They have received the truth via revelation.

It is a fundamental mistake for any English speaking country to not make Samuel Clemens core curriculum.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by lester | 2008-08-29 22:02:38

Nancy Pelosi has got to be one lucky bitch…
first she get’s a “gift from God” in the form
of Barky and then she get’s a “second gift from
God” in the form of Palin, Or so those demofuck’s
would like you to believe

MaCain/Palin 2008

 

Comment by pumawhisper | 2008-08-29 22:05:55

Although I am a seasoned democrat, I finally feel like due to DNC corruption and stealing of an election and hijacking of Hillary’s delegates etc. I am somewhat relieved with McCain’s brilliant VP pick. I now have a place to show my support.
I am through with the Democratic party.

Sorry Hillary, you got the shaft but I can’t look the other way and there can be no unity with what I witnessed during the primary. I can’t reward bad behavior by supporting the Democratic ticket.

Thank you Hillary for being a strong woman, but there was those that just wouldn’t allow it. The Gov just picked today for RNC VP has already been a sexist target. This must stop.

Comment by TwoTermObama | 2008-08-29 22:17:58

Hillary asked you the other night: “Was it all about me?” You seem to be answering in the affirmative, which makes you a cult member, not a concerned voter. Hillary got as good as she gave. She AND Obama got down and dirty and the chips landed as they did. She gets that, you don’t. [INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT REMOVED BY ADMINISTRATOR]

Comment by LookingForwardTo2012 | 2008-08-29 22:29:51

Aren’t you the sweet talker? Go play somewhere else. You’re wasting your time here.

Comment by Buzz Latte | 2008-08-29 22:57:40

NoTermObama is just being a MacDaddy just like the big con artist he/she adores.

Moveon.org, troll.

Comment by ee | 2008-08-29 23:00:24

ge buzz, you sure do like to say things like Mac daddy.

Do you like trying to force stereotypes onto people?

Comment by Buzz Latte | 2008-08-29 23:21:57

Not as much as you like to, but then Obama said it was okay to bring a gun to a knife fight.

Shall we monitor every little disparaging remark you make, ee?

“lol what an idiot you are.”

Upthread in case you’ve forgotten.

 
 
 
 

Comment by steven Mather | 2008-08-29 22:34:23

You have no credibility because you think defrauding the caucuses, i.e., robbing people of their votes, is an acceptable primary tactic.

Please offer us your last name , so we can use it as a prefix to denote the smallest possible increment of a thing.

Comment by TwoTermObama | 2008-08-29 22:45:42

Obama won FAIR and SQUARE. Just cos you repeat something often enough doesn’t make it so. Otherwise there’d be a Whitey Tape and Hillary would’ve “taken it to Denver.” Which she kind of did, but in enthusiastic and unambiguous support of our next president. Didn’t you see? It was on ALL the channels.

Comment by noproblama | 2008-08-29 22:52:08

“Obama won FAIR and SQUARE” the frightened obrat shouted stamping its feet.

Comment by ee | 2008-08-29 22:58:24

it is actually true.

no need to stomp.

Hillary was a broke joke come feb caucuses.

She basically had to concede the races she was far behind in and focus on keeping her lead in others.

you mental midgets now take that concession to mean he ’stole’ it.

lol

 
 

Comment by bert | 2008-08-29 22:54:14


“Obama won FAIR and SQUARE,”
you say.

Just cos you repeat something often enough doesn’t make it so.

Comment by Buzz Latte | 2008-08-29 22:59:42

There’s alot of guys in prison who say they didn’t do it, too. Fair and square?

Hardly…

Why do you think there are lawsuits against Obama and the DNC?

Comment by ee | 2008-08-29 23:03:03

sorry buzz.

you are lying.

There is one lawsuit, by a nutcase, who has based his case on the anonymous ramblings of techdude and Texas Darlin.

Either the two of them step forward and get deposed or the case is toast.

go hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

Please

Comment by steven Mather | 2008-08-29 23:25:02

You cannot spell creep, freep, geek, or sleeveen with ee.

 

Comment by Buzz Latte | 2008-08-29 23:28:09

We’re sorry you have to work this week-end for Obama. You really should get time plus 50 cents.

It’s really not worth your time to try to stir up anything.

No votes for Obama here.

You forgot the lawsuit filed in Illinois regarding the fact that Obama didn’t list his alias of Barry Soetoro - listed on his Indonesian papers - on his IL state bar application.

Also, because of Barry, the DNC is named in the lawsuit.

Also, he was named in the opening statements of the federal corruption trial of Tony Rezko as a player.

You can look it all up. Did you know that Rezko has been meeting with the feds - pre-sentencing- Why? Probably singing like a canary to get a lighter sentence.

Comment by ee | 2008-08-30 00:02:08

liar.

There is no IL law suit because those claims are based on pure ignorance.

The question is whether you have practiced law under any other names.

LOL

give it up.

why do you need to lie? Is McPain really that weak?

 
 

Comment by Kathleen | 2008-08-29 23:36:05

Why is it that anyone who dares confront or criticize THE ONE, they are immediately called a nut case by the obamabots? Sounds very similar to the attitude embraced by the Nazi brownshirts during Hitler’s rise to power.

All the obamabots have is to attack, attack, attack. That’s what happens when you support an empty suit with no accomplishments, no moral core and no principles.

NOBAMA!

Comment by ee | 2008-08-30 00:03:10

oops you said hitler, you lose.

goodwin’s law after all.

Comment by steven Mather | 2008-08-30 00:46:37

You have an illogical and unjustified way of framing the debate. It is based upon your inability to see how others might legitimately view the sparse, but obvious connections between the two men. If you had studied modern German history, then you might have read Speer and Toland and you might see some haunting comparisons. You would also be able to say why the comparisons do not hold. You have not done the research. Accordingly, like most of your group, you speak with authority, but you have no grounds upon which to do so.

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Comment by Northwest rain | 2008-08-30 01:04:41

YOU are a SEXIST pig!

Anyone who votes for Soetoro-Obama is a sexist pig.

As Shirley Chisholm has said — Sexism trumps racist — politics is a boys club. She got my vote years ago when she ran for President — she worked hard at her job and she would have made a great President.

Obama is a lazy person — he hasn’t excelled at any of his elected jobs — he is alway running for the next office. Obama is a lazy, unprepared, narcissistic person.

PUMA power!

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Comment by Joe Biden's hair plugs speak out! | 2008-08-30 00:09:14

All the obamabots have is to attack, attack, attack.

Haven’t you heard that’s the most effective way of winning converts to your cause? Abuse them!

 
 
 

Comment by TwoTermObama | 2008-08-29 23:03:49

Cos there are some coo coo people in this world who just can’t let go?

Comment by Kick Barry to Curb | 2008-08-29 23:12:17

Actually what is really bonkers is someone who would hang out in here for 7.00 an hour to be ridiculed by people with far more intellect.

The fishing boats in Alaska pay well. Try working at a real job and doing something with yourself.

 

Comment by Buzz Latte | 2008-08-29 23:30:41

We’ve already let go.

A lot of us donated money to McCain today. And in November we’ll be donating our votes to him. also.

 
 
 
 

Comment by TxDi | 2008-08-29 23:00:25

We did not see it because we weren’t looking for *hit you are speaking of.
Get out of here, we don’t have anything for you.
Our minds are made up and go lurk elsewhere, like CNN, MSM, GET IT?
Your mind is made up and so is ours, whole families of loyal Democrats swinging over.
Oh and BTW, were are all HISPANIC!!! And Texans too.

Comment by Ruminator | 2008-08-30 00:28:23

My whole family has left the democratic Taliban too. We were 4th generation dems. Hello, New Republic Party. Maybe, Hillary should run with them next time. At least her votes would get counted.

 
 

Comment by steven Mather | 2008-08-29 23:13:04

TTO,

You ought to follow your own advice. Texas alone, had 2000 registered complaints about caucus irregularities. Your theories are observation-neutral, however: they are impervious to facts. I suppose it’s because, like your candidate for president, you think that if you say something you make it so, especially if you are talking about the past.

I have never claimed a whitey tape exists, so your comment is meaningless.

I am not a Hillary supporter. Her support for Obama does not change all of the things that make him woefully inadequate for the job of president. I am a student of ethics and social relations who actively works for the principles of George Orwell against totalitarian and corporatist thugs on the right and left.

You are a brownshirt who is not here to do anything other than to disrupt the freedom of association of nonObama people. You cannot tolerate any thoughts that stray from your doctrine. Conversely, Like Hillary and her friendship with McCain, I like hanging with the different types of people here who have gathered to work against the Obama the charlatan and his thugs. For example, I’m happy for Republican Chick that she got her VP choice, though I would not support Palin. In fact, I like interacting with Obama supporters who come to the fray with evidence and respect for a good argument, like sfhillary. You, on the other hand, are evangelical. You know you have the truth and you know it must be IMPRESSED upon us.

SM

Comment by ee | 2008-08-29 23:19:57

LIAR.

They was ONE registered complaint.

It was registered against Hillary’s campaign.

You can’t provide a single link to these so called complaints.

Dr. Long’s fairy tales are not proof of any registered complaints.

Stop spreading this bullshit.

You are not even American. You should fuck right off with your lies.

Comment by steven Mather | 2008-08-29 23:43:19

It is easy to be brave behind a castle wall. - a Welsh axiom

Because you are not in my presence. you feel brave enough to tell me to fuck off.

Just because you say a source does not have credibility, does not make it so. Whom should people trust? Dr. Lynette Long with her impressive CV, which is available at her site, or the anonymous Obot who hides behind his keyboard so he/she feels brave enough to tell another poster to fuck off.

Unfortunately, we are not face to face. It’s unfortunate neither of us can meaningfully call each other out. Accordingly, I am left with no other option than to demonstrate your intellectual and moral inadequacies by dissecting your propaganda posts.

Comment by ee | 2008-08-30 00:09:16

steven.

Dr. Long thinks the dnc weighted delegates to favor blacks. She claims the delegate distribution that favors districts that loyally vote democratic was recently set up to give blacks more power.

She ignores this applies to all democratic districts.

Dr. Long also claims ACORN, an organization championed by Tubbs Jones, floods wallmart to register ‘low class’ ethnic voters.

If Dr. long is so wrong on these basic facts, how can you trust her when she is the only one claiming to have seen 2000 complaints?

 

Comment by Keir | 2008-08-30 00:31:43

lol clarivoyant and telepathic trolls. Maybe they should get a day job with Sylvia.

 
 

Comment by Susan1968 | 2008-08-30 00:23:27

This ee person is all over the place and clueless.

Clearly ee has not mastered google. Caucus comaplints were filed the next day inmany districts. News articles said complaints against Obama’s henchmanlike tactics were 3x the number of any other primary in Texas history.

I suggest we not feed the troll known as ee.

Comment by steven Mather | 2008-08-30 02:58:53

S1968

I apologize. I am a product of my nation. I want to feed the troll. It’s why we’re trained to have our wrists in line with our fists.

SM

 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by athy | 2008-08-29 22:36:37

Two term Obama-
Sen Obama & the DNC got ‘down & dirty”…
View these three links.

Does everything in this campaign look okay to
you???

View the video’s released on August 9th 2008 by the Sam J
Ervin Jr, former chairman of Watergate commission, library and museum in Morgantown NC. According to producers, the DNC (with the support of the MSM) has perpetuated a crime and fraud against the American voters by claiming Obama as the presumptive nominee.
Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lPCunsrI1Q

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Khsg8iKjU

Superdelegates votes can not count until convention

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXpz8AJk8TM

*VERY IMPORTANT PART: Why Obama is not the presumptive nominee
- these videos are very educational, interesting, and well-researched and documented. People are indeed repeating history. What is happening in 2008 has happened several times in the past. Educate your fellow voters. Forward these links to others.

http://www.lynettelong.com/caucusfraud/

This is excellent site too…

http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm
Obama & Vote Theft

btw,ITS always been about COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY-
For 18 million plus, Sen Clinton was the best candidate to lead this country.

Comment by Elle | 2008-08-29 23:07:10

Thanks, athy, keep up the good work.

For all the flurry of activity of the bots around here, I’ve never seen them reply to a post like yours.

Wonder why?:-)

 
 

Comment by vinnie | 2008-08-29 23:22:16

NO, Hillary, it wasn’t all about you. It was about how the DNC sold their soul to Barry and crapped on Democracy.

 
 

Comment by socalannie | 2008-08-29 22:23:22

Well said pumawhisper!

 
 

Comment by BlueTopaz | 2008-08-29 22:10:26

These are the faces I’d like to see right now;

BO, MO, Brazile(sp?), Pelosi, Dean, Reid, Olberman, Matthews, Kos, that Huff bitch, and so many more.

Never thought I find myself saying this.

 

Comment by CreationistFreaksForSarahPalin | 2008-08-29 22:11:58

Oh Noooess!!!!

“Barack Obama leads John McCain by 49% to 41% in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking, as he continues to rise in the polls coincident with the Democratic National Convention.”

Comment by Clinton Fan | 2008-08-29 22:17:11

Numbers from before the Palin pick.

Scared, aren’t ya!

:mrgreen:

Comment by TwoTermObama | 2008-08-29 22:20:16

Well, frankly, yes, Catherine Harris clones always give me the heebie jeebies. I bet the polar bears are really hunkering down tonight, too:

“I strongly believe that adding them [polar bears that is, not scientists] to the list is the wrong move at this time. My decision is based on a comprehensive review by state wildlife officials of scientific information from a broad range of climate, ice and polar bear experts.”

Comment by Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright | 2008-08-29 22:31:16

Being a Floridian, i can assure you that Palin is nothing like Harris. But i know you pod people who are all alike don’t understand the nuance of individuality.

Obama on the other is definately a fake inexperienced dangerous narcisistic flip flopper, “a typical politician who will say and do anything he has to to get elected,” just like his mentor, friend and pastor of 20 years said.

OBUMMER!! OWN YOUR SHITTY CANDIDATE!!

Comment by TwoTermObama | 2008-08-29 22:38:18

You’re right. There’s some nuance there. She reminds me more of one of those choosy moms on a peanut butter commercial.

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-08-29 22:49:16

And Obama/Soretoess reminds me of one of those creepy manniquens in the men’s dept.

Comment by Joe Biden's hair plugs speak out! | 2008-08-29 22:54:20

YES!

I just watched some clips of the Zeubama extravaganza acceptance speech - with the sound off. I was getting really creeped out by his appearance.

Very phony. Maybe it was the make-up, OMG I just realized what it was…he looked like a stiff laid out, except he was animated.

Oh God why did I go there, it’s late and I’m getting ready for bed I hope I don’t have nightmares.

Comment by sproutingly | 2008-08-30 00:21:34

When I see him I always think of an undertaker .

 

Comment by TeakwoodKite | 2008-08-30 00:38:59

with the sound off

Me and my mute are best friends.

It puts the string to “just words”, eh?

 
 
 

Comment by elise | 2008-08-29 23:48:26

TwoTerm, I, for one, am fed up with sexist comments and would appreciate it if you would shut up. Are you so stupid and thick headed that you can’t see how this has damaged the Democratic Party? The party is looking very unfriendly to women, especially mature women over 40yrs. Now, I am looking back through all the years I supported Democratic candidates and the Party and I am thinking I have been bamboozled, hoodwinked. I’ve been told my vote isn’t needed and should stay home. You, the party ldrs and Obama are complete fools.

 

Comment by ritamary | 2008-08-30 00:05:31

Sexism rears its ugly head again. The race card cannot be far behind.

 

Comment by Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright | 2008-08-30 00:12:06

You are a characiture of yourself.

 
 
 

Comment by Treading Water | 2008-08-29 22:33:31

You obviously don’t live in Alaska otherwise you would understand that quote.

Comment by TwoTermObama | 2008-08-29 22:40:40

I don’t live in Iraq either, but I’m pretty opposed to invading it, killing it’s civilians and occupying it for 5 years.

Comment by Treading Water | 2008-08-29 22:47:44

and how does that relate to polar bears?

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-08-29 22:50:51

It doesn’t. The troll was confused and flipped through his Camp Obama/soretoes training cards frantically looking for something to say.

Comment by Treading Water | 2008-08-29 22:57:08

lol good one

 
 
 

Comment by BubbaHyde | 2008-08-29 23:15:16

Obama lost the high ground on that issue the first time he voted to fund the war…and he really jumped ship on the issue when he asked a supporter of the war to run as his VP. Wow, you may need some more hopey changey kool aid in your bottle.

 
 
 

Comment by steven Mather | 2008-08-29 22:37:51

TTO,

I disagree with Palin. My research is conducted in a northern economic/ social research department. Progressives should choose Nader or McKinney as a way to voice their displeasure with her thoughts on this issue.

SM

 
 

Comment by Joe Biden's hair plugs speak out! | 2008-08-29 22:51:15

It looks like the “creationist” theme is the primary line of attack.

The bots tend to project a lot about issues that they think voters care about.

All the latest polls show the economy and national security to be the two biggest concerns. The debate between evolution and creationism probably didn’t even make the cut.

But what the heck, proponents of creationism are probably just those bitter angry white folks clinging to their guns and religion.

And NASCAR.

So who cares, right, they don’t count…

Comment by TwoTermObama | 2008-08-29 22:56:58

Naw, it’s just funny to poke fun at the fundies, that’s all. Now, McCain/Palin’s recycled brand of supply side economics, THAT’S just downright terrifying!! They don’t call it voodoo for nothin.’

Comment by elise | 2008-08-29 23:59:24

Why don’t you explain Obama’s economic policies? TTO, what do you think about NAFTA and Obama’s lies about it? Do you believe he is going to change dividend, capital gains and estate taxes in spite of his chief economic adviser having a history of being more conservative and his campaigns hints he will support the privatization of Social Security?

For that matter, why would you believe he has any firm positions on any policy since he changes his mind on a weekly basis on important issues?

 

Comment by Susan1968 | 2008-08-30 00:29:15

TTO:

Palin RAISED coporate taxes on oil companies operating in Alaska and then split the money with every citizen of Alaska sending them each a $1200 check.

Palin ousted the corrupt Democrat Governor of Alaska.

She also signed legislation giving full partner rights to gays and lesbians in her state.

She’s pro life by choice but she has protected abortion rights in Alaska.

You see - that’s what choice is about.

But you progressive want to inflict mind control over your Brave New World.

That’s why Obama voted FOR FISA.

 
 

Comment by bemused | 2008-08-29 23:50:59

The ones today are certainly dangling a lot of terms like “fundy” and “islamaphobe,” seems like a bunch of kids yelling taunts trying to hit a nerve. Must be today’s strategy as Camp Obama begins to see that “racism” is not doing it anymore. Taunt skill average troll, -10; Will save average NQ regular +30, no chance for today’s taunts trolls, get a dictionary.

 
 
 

Comment by Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright | 2008-08-29 22:27:14

ZOMG!!

NO!

After 4 Days of Non stop coverage the Expected Convention Bump appears thanks to Hillary and Bill endorsing him. WHo would have thought that things as predicted would happen! Especially since its been predicted and talked about for the past 2 weeks everywhere.

Sadley the bump is only 3 points from where he was before the convention started 46%.

My God i am convinced that the trolls & pod people who come here to post read only 3 sites…Barackoolaidbama.com, huffingtontoilet and dailyKrap.

Comment by TeakwoodKite | 2008-08-29 22:55:25

Comment by Elle | 2008-08-29 23:31:42

Sweet irony lost on the bots - bots see Obama as a black man, hence, it’s his turn because he’s black.

Non-bots see him simply as a corrupt man with no moral center or real accomplishments - not fit for the highest office of the land.

 

Comment by Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright | 2008-08-29 23:33:40

You want to see a real oscar worthy performance?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zn-fPM4KS0&NR=1

Comment by TeakwoodKite | 2008-08-30 00:50:45

What’s the price of addmission? :)

After viewing it, sorry I asked.

Such heart.

Comment by Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright | 2008-08-30 04:39:54

i cried when i watched it. Incredibly moving.

Beats the pants off Baracks shitty made up life story. And it took all of 1 minute 30 seconds to tell with incredible impact…

…Didnt require a temple or a 300 million dollar campaign designed to convince us of his greatness.

what an amazingl woman. so humble so incredibly grand. such a testament to the human spirit.