Where is Clinton?
By Matthew Weaver on September 5, 2008 at 11:30 PM in Barack Obama, Democratic Party, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Misogyny, Sarah Palin, Sexism, hate speech
Since Obama’s coronation and McCain’s bold selection of Governor Sarah Palin as his VP choice we’ve seen worse and more blatant misogynism than ever thrown at Clinton during the primary. Obama’s cult following, nutroots gangs, and media have savaged Palin and her family with derogatory, sexist, and vicious rants that have no place in any public or private conversation, much less as part of the political election debate. Throughout this orgy of hate, not one word from Clinton. Not once did she voice protest or urge calm. She sat this out.
Now I support Clinton and did so, respectfully, during the primaries. I suffered derogatory and racist rants from the nutroots gangs, received the hate mail, and endured attacks on my blogs just like every other Clinton supporter. I ended the campaign set to pick up Clinton’s banner again after November and especially in 2012. As previously promised, I have now put my support behind McCain. No to Obama is no to Obama.
I’ve got to be very honest and say today that I am very troubled by Clinton’s out-of-sight inaction on the Democratic attacks against Governor Palin.
Make no mistake, these are Democratic attacks. I realize that Clinton wants to be the party loyalist but is she not an American first?
Weren’t her words and actions throughout her career and during the campaign real? That she hasn’t directly spoken out reflects poorly on her and her legacy. I increasingly wonder if everything she said was, like Obama, ‘just words”? Politics are rough and tumble but there are limits, there are words and actions that are inappropriate. Clinton should know first hand how hateful and how damaging the hate is. Yet, she says nothing, does nothing. Obama has only spoken on the matter once.
If Clinton does not say anything, if she continues to ignore the hate and thereby provide her acceptance and blessing to what Obama and his cult, nutroots gangs, and media following have and are doing, then she will lose my respect. I cannot support and respect someone who will not stand tall on simple matters of right and wrong. The hate spewed by Democrats is wrong and Clinton should know this. To not only sit this out, but to go out campaigning for the candidate most responsible for it is equally wrong.
This is Clinton’s 3 a.m. moment in politics and as a political leader. What she does or does not do will forever mark her.
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Don’t touch it Hillary. Its Not Your Fight.
He Stole the nomination let him fight the battle for the presidency.
Now if he wants to step down and hand it over to you including the ticket, thats a different story, but until his does NO WAY!
Hillary is going to stick to McCain and Issues.
Go Hill!
Lets not attack CLinton.
She stood up for us when it was her turn to do so.
Don’t expect her to fight every fight for you.
Fight with your vote.
Grow Up America. If it offends you do something about it.
Talk is
cheapObamaActions speak louder than words.
Vote your beliefs not your party.
Vote based on a man’s character not the color of his skin.
I am not attacking Clinton. I am a supporter. I am saying that she needs to show character and leadership, lest she be tarred with the hate Obama and his ilk are spewing.
Having her say anything in defense of Palin at this time is not politically astute.
Let them do their worst. the more they do the madder america will be and thy more Hillary will be vindicated.
Thi sis not a battle we are fighting this is a war. there are long term objectives and one of them is ensuring that Hillary is not blamed for Obama’s failure.
If she speaks out then any loss of female support will be blamed on her and she will be finished politically in the D party and Obama will be sure to run again.
Think strategically. Stop asking her to do for us what we are not willing to do for ourselves.
If obama and his assholios can flood airwaves and callin lines and message boards and chant in streets we can to.
THIS IS ABSOLUTLEY NOT HILLARY’S 3:00 AM MONENT!
Really the more i read this post the more offended i am by how incredibly near sighted and how potentially damaging this is to Hillary to try and make it HER responsibility to get the democratic brats to behave!
Very Poorly Thought Out Post!
Absolutely! Matthew, you are giving an impression that this site is slowly turning towards becoming a Repug site, and not an anti-Obama and pro-Hillary site. There’s a reason why we see Hillary’s picture below Larry Johnson, and not that of Palin or McCain.
Last I checked, Larry Johnson has not endorsed John McCain.
No Hillary supporter is endorsing John McCain or Palin. We are merely doing an anti-Obama vote this Nov, nothing more, nothing less.
The fact that Hillary has not said a thing about Palin speaks volumes that Hillary understands what is going on, and I do not doubt that Hillary finds the sexist attacks on Palin revolting.
But I think Palin does not need Hillary’s help. She has the Republicans defending here, isn’t it?
No one from the Democrats defended Hillary when she was attacked. Hillary is not as fortunate as Palin is. And remember, Hillary earned what she has achieved so far, while Palin was merely selected by a man to be a VP candidate; she did not struggle as Hillary did. Palin cannot hold a candle to Hillary’s achievements.
Hillary needs to take back the Democratic Party from Obama and the Obamabots, and the only way she can do that intact is to appear as a loyal Democrat to the party’s rank and file.
To ask Hillary to defend Palin against Obama is the same madness as asking Hillary to defend Obama from Palin’s attacks.
Palin will do just fine without Hillary’s help. Palin has the protection and support of her own party. Hillary was not so fortunate.
This is overall a very poorly thought out post, if not the worst I have seen on No Quarter. Postings like these give ammunition to the likes of Obama and Taylor Marsh to label us Hillary supporters as repugs.
Overall, I am very disappointed in the posting you have made here, Matthew Weaver.
I think you owe Hillary an apology.
Hillary ‘12!
Agreed!
No he does not, none of you can say what Clinton is going to do or say when she gets to Fl to push Obama on the voters, she may very well go after Palin.
That message is not Hillary saying that to Obama it is something put out there but maybe someone from her camp we will all have to wait and see what line she takes.
Why is she attacking Mc Cain now when she did now want to do it before? SHe already said Obama cannot lead so what is she going to say now in his defense, Hillary better be very careful what roads she takes because honestly a lot of us will be waiting and watching.
What rubbish, SJ. Clearly you have no political brains. Do you want to take back the Democratic party from Obama or not?
Use your brains, or evidently you do not have one.
McCain is not Hillary Clinton. McCain did not defend Hillary, and neither did the GOP women.
Stop asking Hillary to defend McCain or Palin.
Hillary ‘12!
The problem is that if Hillary is too out there lending support to the Obama campaign, it could very well lead to Obama’s becoming President, in which case there won’t be any to “take back” the Democratic Party, you schmuck.
On the other hand, if Hillary isn’t out there enough lending support to Obama, his people will hold HER personally responsible for his failure to win the Presidency and Hillary’s chances of getting any support from the Democratic Party (as it is now) will be the same as it was this past year. And anyone who thinks that the Democrats who were in charge of this charade of a primary will be pushed aside has a lot to learn. The PUMAs who have largely repudiated the Democratic Party since the RBC decision will find the Party NOT willing to take them back into the fold.
If you really want Hillary in 2012, Obama has to lose big time AND the apparatchiks who foisted Obama on the public will have to be ousted. But, having Hillary fail to chastise the Party apparatchiks and the media for continuing sexist attacks through the rest of this election cycle will likely come back to haunt her in a 2012 campaign–she and her supporters screamed “sexism” in 2008 when she was the target but did nothing to stop the sexism against Palin later that year. Yeah, that’ll look real good for her in 2012.
Idiot. Palin and the GOP women did not defend Hillary so Hillary does not owe Palin a thing.
Dissing Hillary is not going to help with the anti-Obama pro-Hillary people.
The Republicans have trashed Hillary for 16 years and were waiting for her to be knocked out of the race completely. How relieved they must have been when she wasn’t picked for VP. It was only then I heard of Palin’s name.
It breaks my heart to read so many posts criticizing Hillary.
Not only did Palin and the GOP women not defend Clinton, Palin gave an interview calling Clinton a whiner.
“ABC News’ Eloise Harper reports: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, in a video interview with Newsweek, posted on YouTube, discussed the coverage of Sen. Hillary Clinton. In an interview that appears to have taken place during the Democratic primary, Palin criticizes Clinton for her response to media scrutiny she received while on the campaign trail….”
Here’s the link to that interview;
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/did-palin-call.html
Note: many other sites that had linked to this youtube interview no longer have it available. Can’t say I’m surprised.
I knew it i knew it i knew it.
I said since the day those videos apperaaed here , that the videos were edited so that it could be seen as if the Gov was calling her whining.. because they chopped off the questions she was asked
Lochos, your statement attacking the previous posters brains, or lack thereof, reminds me of the BOts. In the same way I will not endorse the nasty behavior of the Bots or the MSM or the DNC or BO’s campaign, I will not endorse it in PUMA’s. The rabid, herd mentality of the BOts was hateful in the extreme. They are now paying the price. So if you want to talk about brains, stop and think - why would you attack a PUMA? We are stronger than that - there is no need to belittle another’s view. In fact, that is one of the things so admirable about PUMA - we leave each other the room to make our own decisions - vote McCain/Palin, don’t vote for President, vote for a third party, write in Hill. The one unifying theme is NO BO, NO WAY!
PUMA!
Because if a PUMA slams Hillary, then that PUMA was probably a repug or an Obamabot in the first place.
I am pissed with people attacking Hillary, these people are idiots and morons.
Actually, during the primaries, McCain did “defend” Hillary at least once, I recall. It was so remarkable, because NOBODY on the dems side did so.
Soemtimes you just have to do the right thing.
Colin Powell–I had respect for this man and probably would have voted for him if he had run for POTUS. But after he “sold” the war while inspectors were still on the ground pleading for more time…
Country before Party!
Do you have any idea how little sense you’re making? Do the names “Ed Rendell” and “Michael Nutter” ring a bell? How about any of the other hundreds of Democratic elected officials who supported Hillary?
Supported is not the same as calling out the MSM and fellow Dems who trashed Sen. Clinton on a daily basis. Not a single Dem stood up to protest the insults and lies.
Rendell did.
actually, McCain DID defend Hillary
If Hillary wants to defend Palin, then YES, but after election, NOT NOW!!!!
Now is the time to stick with what She promise to US for 17 months, not to throw Her support to Palin. NOT NOW!!!
LaMusing,
Unfortunately, there have been posters, including front page posters who do not follow the direction you speak of and push the their opinion, which is only vote for McCain/Palin, any other vote enables Obama to be President.
As far as Hillary coming out to defend Palin, come on. I didn’t see McCain out there defending Hillary and I didn’t see Palin either. In fact, I saw a condescending video on the “perceived whine” from Palin.
Wrong.
Hillary has already stated that she will be attacking McCain - NOT Palin:
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Obama and those bitches in the DNC stole the Democrat nomination. And they didn’t put Hillary on the ticket. So this battle is theirs - NOT the Clintons.
Obama’s reaction to Palin is one of the VERY reasons why he’s DEFINITELY not qualified to be POTUS.
AGREED!!
If this site starts attacking Hillary…many of us will leave
I completely and totally agree with you, Lochos and Jeremiah. I am fed up with everyone expecting Hillary to save their asses. I heard a rant today from Sean Hannity against the way Gov. Palin is being trashed, but I don’t remember him saying a word in defense of Hillary. Rush Limbaugh was doing the same yesterday and he has called Hillary a feminazi. Even the evil Dick Morris has nothing but praise for her and nothing but disgusting, sexist remarks about Hillary. Your attitude, Matthew, is sexist. Do you thing Sarah Palin and the Republicans can’t fight this fight without Hillary? You want to protect Gov. Palin from these nasty, abhorrent attacks and I understand that. Really. She is pretty, sassy and charming and she is a member of the party which has spent more than a decade trying to destroy Hillary. Republican women were weeping when she spoke and the Republican men are ready to take up arms against those who insult her. Hillary has talked the talk and walked the walk for three decades for women’s rights, and to borrow a quote from McCain, she has the scars to prove it. Now you and others want Hillary to put aside all chance she has of accomplish long established goals for another woman who has ample support from her party and many advocates and protectors. There was a video on River Daughter of Sarah Palin talking about Hillary and she called her a “whiner”, so now she has to walk a few miles in Hillary’s shoes, the same shoes Hillary has worn almost as long as Palin has been alive. I really, really resent your post. As a woman and fellow human being I am deeply offended by the attacks against Gov. Palin. I don’t plan to vote for Obama. I am delighted that McCain dropped this bombshell on both parties and I can imagine Hillary appreciates the irony, but why has Hillary’s name been brought up in nearly every single comment since Palin’s nomination? Leave her the hell alone to do what she has to do. She has paid her dues.
Well said Elise. I fully agree with you, Jeremiah, and Lochos. Leave Hillary alone and let her get on with the work she has to do so she can run again in 2012. And frankly if the Republican Party hadn’t trashed both the Clintons for over a decade I doubt if the media, Barry and his Bots, and the DNC would have been able to sling so much misogyny and sexism.
Two quick points;
On numerous occasions, I have heard Sean Hannity defending Hillary and also saying the sexist attacks were wrong and unwarranted. Even Ann Coulter has mentioned HRC deserved her respect . . . she did a whole column on “obama being selected not elected” which I commented on in my blog.
Also, I heard Palin’s comment about HRC; if you listen carefully I think you will find it wasn’t a slam against Hillary so much as it was an acknowledgment that bringing up misogyny by the media can be interpreted as whining.
Let’s face it, the worst offenders, like Chris Matthews, always says he’s not the sexist, and stop your whining.
Thank God! Someone who knows what time it is! I saw Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter and Bill O’Reilly stand up for Hillary way back in March! That is when my husband and I started watching Fox because CNN and MSNBC called Hillary everything but nice. Fox bashing without knowing what is going on there is so yesterday, they really have been the only network that Hillary or Sarah have gotten any support from. The times they are a-changing! Keep up!
Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reily were having a field day talking about how much more fair and balanced they were and they were doing it to raise their rating. Completlely different story if Hillary had won. Don’t kid yourself.
CAN’T BELIEVE IM SAYING THIS BUT AFTER SEEING HOW OLBERMANN AND MATHEWS WENT AFTER CLINTON LIKE RABID DOGS, ACTUALLY FOAMING AT THE MOUTH, I COULD NO LONGER WATCH THEM AND NOW WATCH FOX NEWS.(ACTUALLY THEY ARE TRYING TO BE MORE FAIR AND BALANCED NOW)EVEN THO I KNOW IN MY HEART THAT THEIR DEFENSE OF HILLARY IS JUST SO MUCH B/S ,THEY ARE AT LEAST STANDING UP FOR PALIN, WHICH IS MORE THAN THE DNC AND THE REST OF THE LEFT WING MEDIA DID FOR ONE OF THEIR OWN.
BTW. I only watch FOX news because I couldn’t stomach the other two. But I have a long memory and will not delude myself into believing they love Hillary.
Lochos: This is a republican website. as far as posters go.
Speaking logically does not include hasty generalizations. That will be one demerit.
Many HRC supporters are supporting McCain because he is the only qualified candidate left in the running who has a chance at being elected. I have bee here long enough to know who is a disaffected Democrat and who is a Republican. Most are the former.
Exactly. So we do not appreciate it when Hillary is being slammed because of Palin, just like in this post by Matthew Weaver.
HILLARY ‘12!!!
I agree.
Not a hasty generalization, but good try anyways Fred.
Lochos you’ve captured every feeling that
I had upon reading Mathew’s post. Thank
you for saying so well what I could only
hope to!
Is hypocrisy the buzzword of the day? With all due respect, you guys sound like a bunch of pandering nimrods. You think Hillary should continue to sit by like a nice little girl and keep her mouth shut?
88 years ago the brave women (and men) who obtained the Woman’s Right To Vote didn’t achieve it by sitting on their asses with their hand over their mouths. This is precisely the moment to speak up! The DNC is in ruins after this Primary season. People hate Dean, Pelosi, Reid, and Brazille…the only Democrat I have seen with any balls is Lieberman! The Obama thugs bullied US! Not just Hillary! They bought our party four years ago, they selected their candidate four years ago, and they decided to push the Clintons, and all of their supporters out of their rightful spot at the head of the helm. There was a successful mutiny against the Democratic party! We are not going to get it back without a fight and you are right about taking to the streets and speaking out, using our votes in November, but who will be our leaders iun this reform?
I strongly disagree with you Jeremiah, for the first time ever, this is not a GOP issue, this is a human rights issue, this is a Democratic party issue, this is a misuse of power issue, and damn it, this an American issue! So help me God, the Clintons are two of the most intelligent people in Washington, and if they sit back and shut up they are continuing to condone the DNC, and if they campaign for this asshole and tell us we’re better off with him over a true American bipartisan candidate then coming out in December or January with their TRUE feelings will be too late. Power not used for the greater good is a misuse of power. PERIOD.
I think the Clintons cannot do anything more than they are doing. Their party has gone nuts. They cannot straighten it out on their own. They gave it their all, tried their best to get Hillary on the ticket. They warned the SDs, warned the voters, they can’t do anything about it now.
Democracy is the responsibility of the voters. Americans were so stupid they gave Bush two terms. If they are so stupid to give Obama the WH, the Clintons criticizing him won’t help. Their criticism would probably galvanize the ‘bots.
Also, the real culprits responsible for Obama being the candidate are the media nitwits. The Clintons can’t do anything about that. This country is just too messed up for democracy nowadays.
Yes. Thank you.
I cannot talk sense into these morons (or Repugs?) who are demanding that Hillary defend Palin.
Palin has the Repugs defending her. Hillary has no one, except us loyal Hillary supporters.
HILLARY ‘12!!!
Thank you again Lochos.
I want Hillary to run in 2012. If she speaks up for Palin outwardly, the Democrats will banish her forever.
Hillary will speak to the issue in due time in her way. If you are a true Hillary supporter you know what I mean.
88 years ago it was not just one woman it was many. Right now our woman is hurt. We are the ones who need to come to her aid and stand up against sexism.
The Clintons have yet to campaign for Barack. Hill’s camp told his camp that to not expect much. What’s that?? hello…
We are all doing exactly what the Republicans and Obama wants us to do. Start fighting each other so that in 2012 it will be Obama v. Palin not Clinton v. Palin. Palin wouild lose. They know this. Don’t buy into this bull.
I voted for Hill b/c she was the most qualified. Don’t ruin it for her. She doens’t deserve it after all she has done for us.
Matthew Weaver — Where were you when Clinton was out there all alone with the media attacking her and the Party dismissing her–Hillary is not the Messiah. She did her best when all were against her and we did not do enough to help.
What I see now in the Republican Party is support for their own. They have letter writing campaigns to advertisers on MSNBC and others who attack Palin saying that they will boycott their products. They are also contacting Newspapers and Magazines to cancel subscriptions of those who attack their nominee.
Ask yourself did you do enough to support Hillary when the powers that be wanted her gone? I know I didn’t do enough and I cannot ask her to do more for me than I was able to do for her.
With Hillary the Party could have won big and now they will lose. Nothing Hillary can say at this point will change that. Arrogance mixed with stupidity will do that to you. And a never vetted Community Organizer will not save the world.
You are right on s.Hall. They have organized a boycott against US mag. and that mag lost 10,000 subscribers in one week. If Bo had put Hillary on the ticket, these same people would have been attacking her the same way and Palin wouldn’t be on the ticket with McCain.
I can’t agree with this attack on Matthew. He is not saying that Hillary should speak out about what is being done to Palin. He is saying that (at least that’s what I think) she should speak out about the sexist, misogenistic attacks being directed toward Palin by Obamabots, liberal women, and the media. If I remember, we women weren’t real happy about Obama not speaking out against this very thing when it was directed at Hillary. Should he have–Hillary was his opponent? I wrote letters to media sources complaining about this kind of disgusting behavior when it was directed at Hillary, not just for Hillary but for all women. Palin is not Hillary’s opponent now, and I think personally that she should make a public statement about this vile treatment of women by the media and by other women who should know better. Do you really think that would hurt her in 2012? I don’t. If the media doesn’t change, she will get the same disgusting misogynostic treatment during her next run. There comes a time when we need to put values first. And I don’t think Matthew is alone in his feelings. It has nothing to do with Party politics, except that I believe that Obama fully knows and approves of the part his Obots have in this current wave of female hate.
The representative for the Democratic Party is Barack Obama. HE should scold the ‘bots, but he never does because he’s a sleaze. A corrupt Chicago pol. Bill and Hillary are not the national representatives of the Dem party now, the DNC kicked them out. Don’t criticize the Clintons–that’s just what the the ‘bots want.
and don’t think McCain didn’t know that he was putting Hillary in this bind when he chose Palin, but that is STILL the fault of the DNC and Obama Democrats.
You contradicted yourself in the first two sentences.
I “AGREE”!!!!! That’s the FEELING I got the FIRST time I read it!!!! Do we(notME) EXPECT her to fight EVERYBODY’S(NObama,Palin,Odnc,the WOLRD) battle? Come on now she’s ONLY 1 STRONG woman!!!!!
I agree, Jeremiah. There are enough people coming to Palin’s defense. She does not have to take a public position on this at this point in time.
Yep, I have to agree, it isnt Hillary’s job to come to the assist of Palin. Political people of that stature dont typically run around voicing their private concerns. Hillary has already done more than enough for the ungrateful Dem Party in my opinion. If she says anything more she will be campaigning on the issues against McCain, that is because she is a consummate professional, not a gas-bag talking head or politico thug like the rest of them.
Besides of which I think this misses the whole point - Sarah Palin is obviously made of tough stuff she isnt exactly going to melt down under the nastiness the media deals out. Let em do it,they are further shooting themselves in the foot.
As it becomes clearer that the Democrats are going to lose over this issue–you will see Democratic Party women come out to support Palin in huge numbers — just to save Obama’s skin. Too late — the die has been cast. This election will not be about this rotten economy or the two wars which go on endlessly — its going to be about women and those who don’t line up solidly behind women will face the wrath of the voters.
Hillary can sit back and enjoy the backlash — if it wasn’t for her Palin would not be where she is right now. What goes around comes around.
McCain gets it and this is why he is trying to appeal to Hillary Democrats. As a Hill Dem who has never voted Republican he and Palin will get my vote this year. Welcome to all Republicans who are new to this site. Its interesting to get your perspective and to find that so many of us are on the same side after all.
I hear your frustration Matthew; however, this is not Hillary’s fight if you are thinking like a partisan.
Hillary is smart and I think she will find a way to wade through this murky time.
I think what is frustrating me more than anything is that Palin got to say many things about that Hillary couldn’t.
During the primary, we had Hillary rules and Obama rules. That was a completely different kind of fight, and the media was ruthless with Hillary. Our party wants Hillary out, and she could not afford to be a political maverick that we wished she could be. It was a very treacherous environment for her. It still is.
I think if she did not have any debt, that would free her tremendously. Obama has done very little for her in that regard. I, for one, think he owes her a few million at least for her stumping for him.
As repugnant as it is to see her go to bat for him, she is proving to her party that she is a team player. That may hurt her because what Palin brings to the race is a reputation of a straight shooter that will go after any corrupt person, even those in her party. When Hillary stands up for Obama, it is as if she is standing up for the corrupt and undemocratic process that made him our nominee.
I just see Obama as continuing to hurt Hillary no matter what she does. Let us give her time to work through this.
I support Hillary all the way and will defer to her best judgment. (Though I will not vote for Obama.) I do hope that she will find an opportunity to state publicly that she deplores the sliming of the Palin children. She has been there with Chelsea, and she can make such a statement without in any way casting it in political terms.
Barack Obama, in order to appeal to Hillary Clinton supporters in key battleground states, is going to use her own stump speeches and bring her out to make voters believe he means them. The strategy is that you will not be able to tell her and Obama apart. Remember the tired argument, “they’re exactly the same on every issue.”
Obama, seeing hope in Ohio, shifts schedule there (RCP)
Philip Elliott
Even Friday, Obama borrowed pieces of Clinton’s stump speech during a stop at a glass factory near Scranton, employing the same rhetoric that helped Clinton win in Pennsylvania.
“I have to say to you: I’m not perfect, but the one thing people can’t deny is that for my entire public life, I’ve been fighting for folks like you, ordinary, middle-class families and working families, helping them getting ahead,” Obama said.
Obama aides also believe that Republican nominee John McCain is unlikely to match the GOP voter turnout that President Bush got in 2004, something McCain’s own aides acknowledge. The Obama campaign also is trying to narrow the margin of Obama’s loss in rural regions, such as this area in rural Ohio where cell phones don’t work and bales of hay line the winding roads.
What is this Obama bullshit?
“I have to say to you: I’m not perfect, but the one thing people can’t deny is that for my entire public life, I’ve been fighting for folks like you, ordinary, middle-class families and working families, helping them getting ahead,” Obama said.
WHAT???!!! OBAMA HAS BEEN FIGHTING FOR THE WORKING CLASS HIS WHOLE LIFE? WHO IS HE TRYING TO F**** BULLSHIT? This coming from the guy who said that the working class are bitter and cling to their guns and religions!
LOL. I just had to fall on the ground laughing. WHAT A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR!
The point being that Obama is now parroting Hillary Clinton. This plan by his campaign was hatched when they appeared in Unity, NH in matching powder blue. First, the idea of Hillary as a hostage is not an empowering one. Second, everyone knows how Obama operates by having his surrogates sling mud while he waits two or so days to “condemn” these low politics. Everything around Obama is tainted, which is why nobody wanted to run as his VP. Some say Hillary turned him down three times, but her going out with him and working harder for him than his own VP doesn’t look like it. Lastly, if Hillary is an active surrogate while sexist attacks are used against Sarah Palin, she looks as guilty as Obama himself, since he is now trying to pass himself off as Hillary. Hillary does not need to defend Sarah Palin; the Republicans will do that. She does need to speak out against sexism in the media, if she is campaigning with Obama. The best thing she could do is not have anything to with his campaign at all and work for downticket Democrats.
No. you are wrong. HRC has done all she has to and more, and she has suffered enough.
I will not participate in this effort to divide pumas, i don’t care how you qualifuy it whether you vote obama or not.
Clinton can criticise McCain and republican program and policies, that is all. she is not going to heap praise on obama. that is ok in my book.
I am sick and tired of men telling HRC what to do, you know?
I will not participate in this slam of HRC. YOu say you are an HRC supporter? Well if you were you would not be posting something like this.
I’ve got her back always. I know what she has to do now.
MOstly, we have better things to talk about than second guessing Clinton. We have to make sure barky is defeated, and hammering clinton again is not the way to do it.
wonderful post Dr. Kate.
I agree with you, Matthew. I wish Hillary would take a very vocal and firm stand against the hate and sexism that is being thrown at the Palin family, especially Sarah. I’ve never been a fan of political expediency. That’s why I can’t stand Obama.
Hillary is in a unique position to speak out about what has been going on since Palin was announced as the VP choice. I see this as a golden opportunity for her to show real leadership–to put common decency over politics. Too many people expect her to act in a self-serving manner. That has always been the rap against both of the Clintons, and Hillary’s silence just reinforces their already raging cases of CDS.
Hillary doesn’t owe the Democratic Party anything at this point anyway. Gosh, I wish so much she would do the right thing here. And coming to the Palins’ defense IS the right thing to do.
Thanks, Matthew, for your honesty. You surely knew that you would get ripped for making this post at NQ. As Lou Grant once said, you’ve got spunk!
To ask Hillary to defend Palin against Obama is the same madness as asking Hillary to defend Obama from Palin’s attacks.
Palin will do just fine without Hillary’s help. Palin has the protection and support of her own party. Hillary did not.
Hillary ‘12!!!
This has nothing to do with protection or/and defense. Women (and Men) doesn’t need to be protected. They need rights.That’s all. And Hillary has to stand up for her points of view as well as Obama. They both are accountable as the same of the rest of human beings are accountable too. Said this I don’t think Hillary has to fight EVERY fight on the earth. People have to live their owns lives and they cannot ask for the leader that she does ALL and fight ALL. This is simply impossible. And wrong. She’s a leader, not Superwoman/man.
I’m sick of Hillary being blamed for everything. This post goes too far. Hillary has not attacked Sarah Palin in any way–and she won’t. Why is she expected, at this moment, to counter the whisper campaigns of the blogosphere? Give her a break! When she is out campaigning next week, I’ll bet she will address the media’s sexism. Just leave her be, for Christsakes!
I didn’t hear Palin making references to the size of Obama’s penis, talking about his balls, or denigrating his maleness, or his ability to parent while running for the Presidency. If she had then I would expect Bill Clinton to stand up and say this kind of bashing was not appropriate.
There’s a differences in taking a stand against misogyny–may have spelled that wrong– and defending Obama against Palin’s exceptional political attacks.
Put a sock in it, Repug. Hillary does not owe anything to the Repugs who has demonized her for the last 16 years before Obama arrived on the scene and took over the job.
She’ll be back in 2012 to kick some Repug ass!
HILLARY OVER MCCAIN/PALIN 2012!!!
You need to put a sock in your mouth and stop calling names! I happen to be a registered democrat who voted for Hillary Clinton and I happen to own my vote. You are as bad as the Obamobots that will tolerate no dissention. You’re disgraceful!
You, MaryPat, are no supporter of Hillary Clinton’s.
I agree.
It saddens me to hear this attack toward Mary Pat. What has happened that we can’t have a differing opinion on taking a stand involving values and standing for what is right. We are not Hillbots; if we were we would be no better than Obots. To have an opinion does not mean we were not Hillary supporters. I am a Hillary supporter because I thought she was the best — and still do. Did I agree with her on everthing, probably not. Nor did everyone else. If we were Hillbots, we would all be planning to vote for Obama now.
I’ll vote for McCain, but Hillary does not need to defend Sarah Palin. Her spokesperson said she would be campaigning for downticket Dems and against the policies of the Republican Party. Palin doesn’t need her help. All the conservative radio and cable news and the Repug Party are doing just fine. Why isn’t NOW, Emily’s List and NARAL defending her? Well they didn’t do a very good job of supporting Hillary either. Afraid of being called racist I guess.
Quite the contrary. I think more highly of Hillary than her supporters here who are screaming to “leave her alone”–what kind of head-in-the-sand attitude is that? You believed enough in Hillary’s abilities to trust her to go up against despots and dicatators, but don’t think she should stand up for basic human decency, regardless of one’s party affiliation? Get past the politics, please. There are more important principles.
Your hero worship of Hillary and need to lash out at anyone who criticizes her is no different from the crap I see coming out of the Obamabots. I believe that Hillary has the leadership and character necessary to speak out and look like a stateswoman rather than a calculating politician. So who is the real Hillary supporter? Take your narrowminded judgment and shove it.
Stop asking what Hillary can do for you (and others), ask what you can do for her (and the country)
What gives anyone the right to question Hillary’s handling of this delicate situation?
You do what you have to do, she does what she has to do.Hillary may do things we don’t like, she has more facts to consider then we know. So just trust her, she deserves our trust, even if we don’t always understand completely.
And let’s make sure that no one will misuse the “non vote against Obama” to be used to put a wedge between us Hillary supporters.
I agree.
Update:
I agree with Matthew and Comment by MaryPat | 2008-09-06 01:20:06.
It’s not about Obama, it’s about being the right thing to do.
Matthew,
Give Hillary a break. She’s taken enough heat this election cycle and stood up to it. This is NOT her fight and she does (IMHO) NOT need to stand up for Palin. Palin and the Republicans can fight their own battles. I don’t like the smears and attacks against Palin anymore than you do, even given the fact she, Palin, doesn’t represent many of my values or world view. I’m going to stand up for equal rights and against misogyny with my vote. I think that’s more effective anyway.
She did. Her aides issued a statement that the sexism displayed towards Palin was inexcusable and unacceptable.
Hillary was the first dem to congratulate Palin on her nomination and the only dem …as per her aides to condemn the sexist attacks on her.
She did? How wonderful of Hillary to do so!
See Repugs? Stop attacking Hillary! I am so pissed off with the repugs postings on this site. THIS IS NOT A REPUG SITE, NO QUARTER IS A PRO-HILLARY, ANTI-OBAMA SITE!!!
Exactly Lochos, except I am not sure they are all repubs. There is an effort underway to undermine Hillary and only Obama benefits from that.
Actually, I believe you are wrong in taking this to Hillary.
Goddamn Amerikkka is right…it’s NOT politically intelligent for her to do so.
1)Let the media attack and blow their tops over Palin; the American public will see it.
2)Keep in mind that HIllary won ALL major primaries at the END of the campaign, in spite of obama’s sexism/misogynistic/racebaiting and all of his money. This means that with MORE sexism/misogynistic/racebaiting against Sarah, MORE AMericans will see it all for what it is.
NO, I think Hillary needs to do exactly what she’s doing.
LAYING LOW!!!!!
Get off her back, whether you “supported” her or not. I think this post is a bit out of place, and not because I’m a Hillary Clinton supporter.
No disrespect intended.
I disagree. It is not politically intelligent for Hillary Clinton to ignore misogyny directed against another woman any more than it was acceptable for the Democratic Party to condone the treatment Hillary received from her own party.
Especially after millions of women and men went to bat for her against that same treatment. I do not think it will harm her with her base of fair-minded average Americans to stand up against sexism against someone she disagrees with on political issues. In fact that is what we expect of her. As far as the dickheads running the Democratic Party, she needs to distance herself fom them as much as possible. They are the problem. Always equivocating and doing what they ask of her is not a good idea and that will harm her politically more than standing up for what is right and against what we all know is wrong.
No one is asking Hillary Clinton to go out and campaign for Palin/ McCain. I think it is necessary to speak out against unfair attacks on all women.