Howard Fineman Enumerates Obama’s Electability Problems
By NoQuarter on September 13, 2008 at 8:00 PM in Arrogance, Barack Obama, MSM, MSNBC
I’m rather astonished that Howard Fineman had the audacity to publish “Obama’s woes have nothing to do with ‘lipstick’” at MSNBC.com.
Fineman lists Obama’s numerous campaign problems — failing to take up John McCain’s offer for a series of town hall debates, wasting money in red states, remaining “trapped in professor-observer speak,” among others. Fineman’s essay isn’t quite as incisive as Mark Cunningham’s “Why Bam’s Flailing” — which Medusa is dissecting in a new story to be published here on Sunday morning. However, Fineman’s decision to end his article with this section is very telling about the prominent D.C. insider’s opinion of Obama:
[H]is mistakes have a common thread - pride.
Obama seems to want to do things on his own, and on his own terms. It’s understandable. Obama has his own crowd – from Chicago, from Harvard, and from a new cadre of wealthy, Ivy-educated movers and shakers.
“He’s an arrogant S.O.B.,” one of the latter told me today. “He wants to do it his way, and his way alone.” But politics doesn’t work that way. And has Obama should know, or is about to find out, that everyone needs a little help.
Wasn’t Howard Fineman a frequent guest on Keith Olbermann’s “news” program? Will he meet the same fate as Dana Milbank, who also dared to write an article that was critical of “The One”?
Regardless, it is vital that some of the top insider members of the MSM dare to speak out now about Obama’s serious narcissism issues.
Should Obama lose in November, the groundwork will have been laid for how to assess his failures as a candidate in a realistic manner, not in a fantastical “meme” blaming the nation’s ongoing racism and/or the Clintons for not doing enough or putting Obama through an exhausting primary battle.
It took them a while, didn’t it?
Sorry to link to the Kos kids, but look at this:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/12/104315/182/935/596046
Now does any one not believe that this is coming from the Obama campaign? It just happens to have their signature (now meaningless) convention narrative of, “that’s not change, that’s more of the same.” Cute, but will people really buy these vicious rumors coming from local Dem officials, or will they take it out on the party?? They are treading on some thin ice here — middle American politics does not work like it does in Chicago. I thought they would have realized that by now.
Also, I think most people feel that the Palin attacks by the MSM are coming from BO’s campaign.
My apolitical 71 year-old neighbor was watching the news at my house and asked that we change the channel when a Palin-bashing story came on. She said that she’s so disgusted with BO. So, I asked her if she thinks BO was referring to Palin with his lipstick remark, and her response was, “Definitely.” She concluded with BO is showing his true colors.
OMG–I hope they run this! This will sink that rat for sure. Are those little punks at the big orange planet in the 12th grade this year? I’m starting to wonder if they’ve ever moved out of mom & dad’s basement.
I’m guessing that all those young male Obamabits are shocked that 43 year old women and their husbands still have sex. And they’re horrified. I wonder if they know most women hit their sexual peak when they turn 40. Poor dumb bastards.
:>)))))))))
of course it’s straight out of the campaign. they don’t even change the words after Palin’s former business partner said there was no affair.
Obama can only win elections by spreading sexual filth about his opponents. I can only hope that what works in the ghetto won’t work so well in a national election.
He better pray a well funded 527 doesn’t get into his own alleged sexual/drug issues.
Berserk +
I watched the Sinclair youtube National press club clips (all 5 about an hour plus or minus) and I’m not a good judge of character really, but it seemed authentic to me. I noted Larry had to correct the press several times, he caught them lying and playing games.
I also caught how Biden’s son is AG of Delaware, and the strangely “missing indictment paperless”(even in court by judge’s own words) ride out of the Press Club’s adjoining room, off to the several gulags, second in Delaware, stuck in my craw as well. Not to mention the Edward’s problem as well as others recent of note on both sides that make any of these quite possible.
It’s rather different I’ll add when one has a publicly testifying witness or the ship is already sunk, and when one does not, a big difference since in Palin’s case, it’s a big zero so far it appears, unlike the very strangely silent Obama case, with the creepy arrest, and the silence on the Rev Wright church members deaths - reportedly alternate lifestyle, execution style, phonecalls connected to Sinclair.
I suppose it might be a rumor, but at this point I certainly wouldn’t guess it to be. Certain commenters have told me Michelle fits the militant profile and Obama the bi-alternate, it would not surpise me considering it seems to be a requirement of sorts anymore, drugs on both sides, and sexual escapades on the left - a celebration of sorts with the latter, as we see in so many disgusting attack reports, the projection coming alive, the belief exposed, the acceptance of the “problem”.
I certainly would like to know the truth in this matter.
As far as recent Presidents, I believe Nixon, Carter, Reagan, the current Bush - didn’t philander. I’m not sure about Ford or 41. For some reason I suspect 41.
I find it disturbing there was a national press club media room conference with a packed room(+Sinclair), and the MSM is as far as I have seen, absolutely 100% silent. Much like the Edwards deal, but with these Palin accusations, it’s all the rave, and gets mentioned, even if discounted as well.
Kinda tips me off as to what is true and isn’t, so far as a decent guess goes. Hard to separate that from just pure bias, though as well.
Why would Obama’s campaign links pay $750,000 for a conversion of that WH pawn/porn site to as well - “give Sinclair a lie detector test” - LOL
Yeah, it’s something, really something ! Wow.
Paul Hackett? Another Democratic loser playing armchair quarterback, touting a losing game plan. That’s not change either, that’s more of the same.
The more of this ridiculous, venomous shit they spew, the more swing voters they will turn off. I hope they keep doing it.
There you have it, folks. The New Politics of Hope and Change.
Obama is the biggest fraud to ever seek the office of the presidency. Now that Palin is out there showing the voters what a real person–even better, a real woman–looks like, Barry is coming across as phonier than ever. Desperate, too.
Was Fineman still appearing on Doberman’s show? If he was, he won’t be anymore, not after that article. How dare he suggest that Obama is arrogant. Keith will not be pleased.
That’s your new Democratic party speaking - vicious hate-mongers, trained to whip up righteous indignation while blindly ignoring hypocrisy and betrayal by their own candidate. Lovely.
No, I guess the fact that 20% of West Virginia primary voters said race was a factor in their voting was just some good ol boys joking, there’s no racism that affects voting. You can pretend racism won’t be a factor in the election, but you’d be lying.
And 93% of blacks voting for the black candidate is ALSO a racial thing. There that side as well but people like you would say “it’s all good”! Right?
Who needs to judge based on the character or content of a person when it’s so MUCH easier to go just on skin color alone.
Actually, asshole, I think it’s equally stupid for blacks to vote based on race, so don’t declare what “people like me” say, shithead.
well you singled out 20% Virginia “good ole boys” and didn’t mention the 93% of nationwide blacks voting for Obama so YOU ARE THE ASSHOLE.
First of all, “wodlej”, it was West Virginia, moron. Second of all, I didn’t have to note how blacks vote to make the point that racism will be a factor in the election, so actually you are both an asshole and really stupid. Learn to think before you type.
And you are crazed with your circles logic.
I guess you tried to say “circular logic”, beverly leslie, and based on your brilliant writing, I have a feeling you wouldn’t be able to explain exactly what’s circular about my logic. It’s depressing to be reminded over and over how many stupid people there are.
Typical Barky supporter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7nqwGt4-I
That’s sophisticated stuff, HARP. You can make lame, irrelevant jokes. You seem qualified for the Republican vice-presidential nomination.
How are those polls looking loser.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/state-polls.html
what should bother us all about those polls is what the Precious is doing to down ticket dems
THAT worries me.
wow…..you sound really angry. Calm down little fella. I recommend a nice cup of tea! I know your precious is falling apart, naturally that could make even the bravest little cultist upset. It’ll be okay bjd….after Nov 4th, you can go back to playing video games and watching cartoons.
No, “imustprotest”, the upsetting thing is how many half-witted morons constitute the Republican base, as demonstrated by these comments.
If you’re not a Republican, why do you care?
Because you keep fucking up the country and the world.
I’m not a Republican. If your Obamasoretoro is so great, what are you worried about? You should be smoking a cigar and relaxing if what you say is true about the country and the world…this should be the year of the Democrat!! Oh yeah, little problemo….the DNC selected an weak empty suit..could’ve had Hillary, chose the know nothing-do nothing “community organizer”. Now who’s f#@ing up the world? I’d say Howie Dean & Co.
Oh my, bjd is one angry little Obamaboy.
And you and your fake_dem_party are f*cking up the world with SEXISM! stinky bastardOboy!
No, I used “circles” purposely. And I wouldn’t expect your pea brain to understand why or grasp that your mind is crazed.
See ya, Circles!
Oh, OK, Beverly Leslie, you intentionally used language that made no sense, you’ve really demonstrated how sharp you are. And of course, you’ve still been completely unable to explain why my logic is circular (because you can’t, of course.) I think it’s pretty clear who’s got the “pea brain.” But you’re not embarrassed by your stupidity, you flaunt it! What wonderful self-esteem you have!
I hope you are ready to tivo McCain`s inauguration.
Have you ever wondered why the people in WV votes were racially motivated? Are they really racists? Could they have been turned of by the good Rev Wright? Maybe they felt that if Obama wins they will be subjected to racism? Could it be that they were simply disgusted by the 93% AA vote? I know I was. To ask some one “did race play any part in the way you voted” doesn’t really tell the story. Perhaps if the question was did you vote against Obama because he is black would have been a better way to ask. Anyways even if they are voting because of race, does saying so, make them more of a racist than someone who lies about it? What the pundits (Gergen) said about WV and Kentucky was laughable at best. He even went so far as to say that Hillary should give a speech saying that she doesn’t want those votes. Just take a look at the numbers. Even those good ole boys in WV couldn’t even come close to the 93% the AA achieved.
For Christ’s sake…shutup already! Go fight with your 3 year old.
Way to get people to listen to your point of view. You’re doing a helluva job there, bjd!
Barky’s going to be so proud. I see this is the new brilliant strategy of the droids at the big, angry orange planet.
lol @ bjd.
I hate everyone! You are all stupid! So, will you do me a favor and vote for Obama?
lol..
Another rude and arrogant Obot winning friends and influencing people in his/her own unique way. With friends like these Obummer doesn’t need enemies.
bjd, name calling is not nice. Didn’t your mother teach you that? Calm down. It’ll be all right. Barry will lose, but it’s not the end of the world. There, there.
Ahhh the unity, I feel it washing over me.
Not that it excuses racism, but Black voters are almost all democrats - even before “The One” blessed us with his candidacy.
To my way of thinking it doesnt really help the democrat party at all to run a Black candidate. Hillary would have gotten the Black vote too.
It gets interesting when Black republicans run for office.
But now–thanks to Obama’s divisive campaign–the Democrats have almost certainly lost the black vote.
Black voters will be furious when Obama gets creamed in November. Now that the Obama gang have smeared the Clintons, they will be unlikely to come back to the party.
Furious if he loses, yes. Violent, too. If Mr. O. loses there will be riots similar to the riots in 1968. Anarchists and black separatists will be back to bombing again.
oh, give me a break. it ain’t no rodney king here, it’s an election. One person, one vote. you’re trying to stir shit when there’s no evidence of that.
90% vote for Obambi in the primary with two candidates espousing the same principles… that’s racism
Actually if you must know, I am voting against the white half of Obama. The black half I have not decided if I am going to vote against him or for him but I am thinking that the white half has totally disappointed me so I am going to assume the same for Obama as a whole man.
I am voting against the donkey half - to hell with the honkey half.
LMAO!
I’ve said this elsewhere here…I think there will be a black Bradley Effect. I have a feeling that a lot more blacks dislike Obama than are letting on, due to all the pressure. I bet a lot of them are going to pull the lever for McCain once in the voting booth.
It’s just a feeling I have…could be wrong…but I think enough of them will go McCain who might have otherwise indicated Obama. I’m sure there are plenty of blacks who don’t want Obama in there, giving elected blacks a bad name.
you absolutely correct . . . obama’s storm troopers have really frightened a lot of black people into not revealing their true feelings (i.e., will vote for McCain); they know that obama is an “affirmative action” candidate in the worst sense. The democratic party did what some coporations have done and still do sometimes . . . choose a token “person of color” to keep the natives from getting too restless; however, it won’t work because the U.S.Presidency is too important too intrust it in the hands of an incompetent, bigoted, empty-headed radical “The Big Zero” aka BO who is full of BS.
you are absolutely correct . . . obama’s storm troopers have really frightened a lot of black people into not revealing their true feelings (i.e., will vote for McCain); they know that obama is an “affirmative action” candidate in the worst sense. The democratic party did what some coporations have done and still do sometimes . . . choose a token “person of color” to keep the natives from getting too restless; however, it won’t work because the U.S.Presidency is too important too intrust it in the hands of an incompetent, bigoted, empty-headed radical “The Big Zero” aka BO who is full of BS.
Many AA can’t stand the “it’s because I’m black” thing.
Bulls*it. This is an incorrect statement. You cannot say this for the US as a whole. Just your proximity. I am around many black union members and they are voting for him because he is black. They will tell you this. Now if I said to them that I am voting for McCain because he is white I would be called a racist and told what a bad bad person I am.
In the last election a friend (who is black) told me that when she selected to vote republican in the primaries, she was glared at and mocked by fellow voters. She was uncomfortable, but not intimidated. But clearly, she was looked down on in her neighborhood for her choice.
SlowBurn, affirmative action means providing opportunity to someone (of an unrepresented group) WHO IS QUALIFIED. Obama is an unqualified candidate, therefore does not meet the minimum requirement for being POTUS.
I’m sorry, I disagree. 93% is a very high number. I just think the majority have had it ingrained into their thinking that they are “owed”….incompetent or not.
If it’s just an additional 10% that gets shaved off for the general election, however…
I’m not expecting 50% to defect, but I seriously doubt if 95% are going to vote Obama. I look at it this way…if I really thought Palin was incompetent (which I don’t), I might be inclined to vote against her so all women don’t look bad. Obama has been looking worse and worse lately…that has to have some people thinking.
Or maybe they’ll just not vote - I kinda think that’s more likely than AAs actually pulling the lever for McCain - hope I’m wrong - I hope McCain gets lots and lots of AA votes, either because they trust him more or as pushback against the pressure they’re getting to vote barky.
The last poll I saw said 83% for BO and 17% for JM.
And where did you see Elvis?
Actually, blacks who are not happy with Obama, and are not conservative intend to vote Green for McKinney - see blackagendareport.com.
hillary or bust — I read that he was told 6% will not vote for him because of his color. It doesn’t show up in polls but its there.
If you’re not racist and you know you’re not racist then you don’t have to vote for the black man to prove to yourself or other people that you’re not racist.
Get it?
Not racist, not voting for incompetent Obama.
Ding ding ding ding ding! Correct answer, tek!
Count me as another not racist, not needing to prove I’m not racist, and not voting for incompetent Obama.
Correct, and I’m never voting for anybody of any race who can’t take a straight stand on infanticide. (Cf. Obama’s highly equivocal remarks and record on this issue).
I know some white people who support Obama BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. For Them too “race is a factor”.
One way or another, the race factor cancels itself out. The argument denies that other prejudices are involved, too.
I know the union is pushing it out of their pie holes left and right how people are not voting for him because of his race. I have been to numerous things over the past couple weeks and this is always a main topic of what the unions are preaching these days.
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And if Obsma had been a qualified candidate with core convictions, I don’t believe his race would have kept him from winning. People that supportewd him are moving away from him, not because of his race but because of his character or lack therte of.
And if Obsma had been a qualified candidate with core convictions, I don’t believe his race would have kept him from winning. People that supportewd him are moving away from him, not because of his race but because of his character or lack thereof.
It’s been said that if Obama wasn’t black he be John Edwards, washed up.
15% of WV voters went for Edwards who had dropped out of the race after SC. Do you think race AND gender might have affected their decision-making? Nah. And WV has a Lebanese-American Muslim in office who endorsed Obama, Rep. Nick Rahall. Sen. Robert C. Byrd endorsed Obama after the state primary, as well.
I wouldn’t be lying if I said it. It probably will be to an extent. But it sure didn’t help Barry that he is such an asshole himself. He never once reached out to us Hillary supporters… not once. What’s up with that? He sent her out to campaign for him in exchange for help with her debt and he couldn’t even do that. Why should we vote for him? Not one reason I have heard other than ‘you have no where else to go’, well, sorry, I do. And I will.
And a much higher percentage said the economy was the key issue. Let’s see, who was strongest on the economy in swing states and won over voters’ trust?
Clue: her name begins with an “H.”
You apologists for this weak and inexperienced candidate can whine and cry about race all you want. He’s going to lose because he didn’t earn the position.
Yay! another nice Obama supporter! You guys just do so much to attract folks to your candidate every time you post!
bjd, you believed those exit polls? I’ve always believed that question was loaded to advance the spin of the news media that those who refused to vote for him were racist. How was the question worded and why was it asked, if not to plant this idea? Was the question something like, “Did race infulence your vote?” or was it “Did you vote against Obama because he is black?” WV and KY are perfect examples of why he will lose in Nov. The democgrphics may not have favored him in the primary, but if he had made an effort there against Hillary, perhaps he could have won the states in the GE. But, he blew them off and spent his time and money in states like NC and SC, red states he will lose in the GE. The difference in his approach and Hillary’s: He just campaigned to defeat Hillary and she was running her campaign with the GE in mind. Result: He won the nomination and will lose the GE. I wonder if this was his plan or the DNC decided how he would run? I believe, as this article pointed out, this was done his way so the result will be only on his shoulders. As Fineman said, he is arrogant.
Yes there is racism. There is sexism, there is theism, there is ageism, there is every kind of ism you can imagine affecting the vote. So, what exactly is your point?
If that’s the big excuse being prepared for when Obama loses, it’s just bull crap. He had a big lead, he had the msm, he had the money.
He just didn’t have the goods.
I hope Fineman got KO’s OK before writing this!
If Ob loses in November, it will be Hillary’s fault.
She’s been set up to take the fall. Of course, this is absurd, but I can hear the Obots now.
The shine is off the apple. It’s another normal apple now, and the buyer’s are looking elsewhere.
There’s a fresh apple in the store now, and that’s what people want, someone who is one of them.
Ob’s Chicago team has been outflanked and they don’t know how to respond.
I was just thinking if Obama’s followers blame Hillary for his lost, then they would be saying SHE was right. She said he could not win in the G E. So they would acknowledge that a woman was able to knock him off his pedestal.
Wow, that’s empowering.
If they blame Hillary and her voters, they admit they heard woman and PUMA roar.
Seems the obats are stuck between a barrack and a hard place.
A barrack and a hard place… LOL.
Yes, it seems there is no line of attack on any other candidate that doesn’t land squarely at the feet of the ‘One.
What worries me is that if Obama loses then we will have to deal with him again in 4 years saying how he has more experience and he can do it this time and blah blah blah.
Yeah, so let’s elect him now! Great idea!
History is written by the winners
There will be a long and painful evaluation in which MUCH TRUTH about the precious will emerge
I don’t believe Obummer will be back in four years after he loses. All the people who pushed his candidacy will have lost credibility and will no longer be in power in the Democratic Party. People like Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Donna Brazile, John Kerry, etc. Also the corporate media will no longer have any reason to sit on all the dirt in Obummer’s background.
No. He’ll never run again. His ego won’t take the kind of resounding defeat and humiliation that he is going to receive. And he doesn’t have the GUTS and FORTITUDE to go back to the Senate and be a leader.
If he loses, who will care who THEY blame?
Bo’S a rotten apple! Always was.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/13/battlegrounds-florida-pennsylvania-breaking-for-mccain/
Zogby has McCain ahead in PA, VA, CO and NH!
Obama campaign: see ya suckas!!
Encouraging, but I don’t put a whole lot of stock in Zogby polls. The article also says that Obama is within the margin of error in NC. Another poll that came out last week had McCain up by 20. So go figure.
But the overall picture from the swing states is clearly a movement to McCain/Palin.
You can pretend that Obama is qualified to be president and can carry Idoho, Montana…and other red states. You will also be lying. Don’t forget he NEVER actually won the primary, he was pushed down our throat by the Dean and the DNC.
It’s very telling looking at NPR’s electoral map here: http://www.npr.org/news/specials/election2008/2008-election-map.html#/president-nprOvM/
And comparing it to Obama’s primary wins here:
news.aol.com/elections/primary/main/democrats
Of the primary states he won, (including those he cheated to win)
He’s carrying or leading in the following states in the General map:
WA, OR, MN, CO, WI, IL, HI, ME, VT, CT, MD, DE, DC, with a combined electoral value of: 102 votes.
Of the primaries he “won” but is not carrying in the Gen. he’s lost or is losing the following states: ID, MT, WY, UT, NE, KS, MO, AK, LA, MS, GA, SC, NC, VA, combined worth of 106 votes.
He brings less than half what he claimed he was worth to the General.
One has to reach 270 to get the job. He’s only bringing 102. That means to win he would have to be given the states Hillary won, by people who chose her over him! And he would need more of them; 168 electoral votes worth than he was ever able to actually earn on his own.
Any way you crunch the numbers, the dude is pretty much worth LESS!
Took the words right out of my mouth!