Impending Electoral Disaster: NY, NJ, MN, PA, OH, MI
By Truthteller on September 15, 2008 at 6:45 PM in DNC idiocy, Democrats, Electability, Electoral College, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Presidential Candidates
| New York | New Jersey | Minnesota | Pennsylvania | Ohio | |
| McCain-Palin | 41 | 45 | 45 | 47 | 48 |
| Obama-Biden | 46 | 48 | 45 | 47 | 45 |
Barack Obama is not the “map changer” CNN and all the discredited Democratic blogs claimed he would be; he is a supercilious underachiever who promises to color the entire nation red, not blue. He is tied with McCain in Minnesota and Pennsylvania; he is trailing McCain in Ohio AND MICHIGAN; he is CLINGING to a lead in New Jersey; and women in New York state are abandoning the Democratic ticket, thereby catapulting McCain-Palin within striking distance of Obama-Biden in a state Gore and Kerry won by 25 and 17 points respectively: portentous numbers, these, but the Democratic Party refused to listen when we warned them about this during the primary season. Democrats, I guess, want to lose. Indeed, they seem to enjoy it.
So now Obama must invest precious and finite resources in states such as New Jersey and New York. And instead of campaigning in Arkansas, Nevada, Florida or Louisiana, he will hold events in Minnesota, a state that should be solidly Democratic in the current political climate. He may even have to campaign in New York now that McCain is within five points of the underperforming Obama. A Democratic strategist quoted in the New York Post article I cite above summarizes this state of affairs succinctly. I quote:
“If it winds up being tight in New York, that means McCain wins the election nationally,” said a prominent Democrat familiar with some of the polling data.
I hope Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, Donna Brazile and all the venal bloggers and operatives who manufactured support for Obama online are satisfied. For once McCain wins, and he will win, it will be time for real Democrats who enjoy winning elections to reform OUR presently defunct Party apparatus from within and from without. We have worked too hard for this Party to allow them to squander opportunity after opportunity in order to satisfy the warped desires of a small band of elitist mediocrities who again and again take those of us who comprise the Democratic base for granted.
I’m a huge McKinney fan, but the idea of turning NY red in a protest vote sounds awesome. Don’t think the repubs could pull it off, though, too many upstaters have fled south for jobs/retirement.
Hillary must be LOVING this shit! I know I am!
Her 2012 campaign is basically running itself.
<blockquoteHillary must be LOVING this shit! I know I am!
Can you just imagine Bill and Hillary sipping on a Martini with a big shit-eating grin on their faces!
…and can you imagine Dean, Pelosi and Reid reaching for the Immodium!
They’re still in the denial stage of their grief…from the Obamabots I know, they’re saying that Obama’s supporters are all young and have cellphones, THAT’S why they’re not included in the polls. You wait come November, Obama’s gonna win!
And I think a pig just flew by my window…with lipstick on.
President Hillary Clinton 2012!!!
That’s an image that brings a smile to my face.
There’s a smile on mine too!
I always felt that there is a large conservative base outside of New York City. Even New York City is not just Democrats. Remember, Pataki ran the state for 12 years until 2006. His Successor Eliot Spitzer… well, what can you say about a democratic reform candidate who pledged “to change the ethics of Albany” and then turned out to be just another dirty politician.
His successor started his time as Governor admitting to extramarital affairs.
And some of you people would be surprised if voters in NY would not flock to a reform candidate who promises the world and pledges “to change the ethics of Washington”???
The empty heads running the DNC thought this election was a “gimme”. They thought they could run any idiot and win. So they did. And they’re not winning. Gee… what a surprise.
Kinda reaffirms your faith in the American people, doesn’t it?
It sure does!
a beer and a shot!
That’s certainly true. If this trend holds for the next six weeks, then Hillary will be in the catbird’s seat for 2012. Just imagine the waves of recrimination that will ripple throughout the Democratic Party after a McCain win.
“Oh Hillary! We’re SO sorry. We let ourselves get taken in by this shameless shill and treated you like dirt. PLEASE come put this party back together!”
You guys need to move away from the Howard Deans and Nancy Pelosis of the world, and losing the election will give moderate Democrats all the excuse they need to clean house.
dan — I think Hillary will be the new majority leader of the Senate if the Dems hold the Senate - heads are gonna roll in the party and anyone who was not involved in this debacle will be rewarded.
You may very well be right. I would definitely love to see Hillary replace that scum-sucking dickhead Harry Reid as majority leader.
As I noted on another blog entry a few days ago, Hillary will be in a very tough bind even if she’s offered the post of Senate Democratic leader. First off, she will have to make a BIG decision regarding 2012. Her current Senate term ends Jan 3, 2013. If she decides to run for President and wins the nomination, she’ll likely have to resign from the Senate. Bob Dole did just that in 1996 after clinching the GOP nomination and many Democrats were concerned that Dole might be tempted to use his position for political gain. Given that precedent and the standard overriding fear that Hillary’s “too ambitious”, there’s little chance that Hillary would remain in a Senate leadership post. (There is, of course, the possibility that New York allows a candidate to run for two positions at the same time, but I don’t think Hillary would want to face the problem of running 2 campaigns against 2 different candidates for 2 different jobs.)
The second problem as I see it is that no Senate leader (either from the majority or the minority) has sought to run for the White House, so soon after assuming a leadership post (much less when he would be in a position whether to keep the Senate seat or go for the White House). If her fellow Democrats are certain that Hillary intends to run for the White House again in 2012 (presuming that Obama loses this year), they would most likely NOT want her as their leader–nothing against Hillary per se, but they’d likely want someone who’d be more willing to stay in the Senate for many more years; most of those who ascend to a Senate leadership role tend to have been in the Senate for well over a decade.
Don’t forget the Kucinich people they flocked to the Obamamites party in droves because they would NEVA and I say Neva vote for a HAWK like Hillary.
fuckers!
I love McCain/Palin more and more everyday!
If Tina Fey will do regular appearances on SNL that’s worth a vote for McCain/Palin right there. Don’t you think?
The brutal irony is that, if the ticket were CLINTON-OBAMA, every single one of those states would be won in a walk by the Democrats, and we’d be looking forward to sixteen years of Democratic executive leadership.
Instead, the Democrats, my former party, are so hell-bent on being RIGHT that they’ve separated from the constituents that gave them power in the first place. Instead of a victory, they’ll be lucky to hang on to the legislature and make a few small gains there.
That is just what Hillary proposed in March… Obama and his surrogates just laughed at her then.
I want to know when Slate will put up an Obama campaign death watch similar to the one they had for Hillary… I don’t think it will ever happen… I wonder why?
There just all so smart over there at slate, they just have it all figured out you know.
Thats just too bad as well. I once regarded them highly. Not anymore. Idiots.
Well, while I do believe that a Clinton-Obama ticket would have won hands down in a landslide, I still believe that Obama is a loser. I would like to see a better AA candidate win the presidency or vice presidency some day. Someone the whole country can point to with pride. Someone with an actual record of accomplishment, someone who earned the job for him/herself through hard work and hard knocks. Someone with character and integrity. Unfortunately, Barry is not the one.
Also, I don’t think Hillary is actually :loving this shit!!” I believe she must be very, very sad…and depressed…more for our country than for herself at the moment.
But there are enough Upstate New Yorkers left who wont vote for Obama.
Most of the over 40 crowd I talk to whether at work or personal friends are NOT voting for Obama. Their main reason: his inexperiance scares the bejesus out of them. They think the top of the ticket should have more experiance than the bottom.
Yep we are hicks, but we know Obama is not the one to lead this country.
You are right. I’m 41 and will NOT be voting for Obama. Oh, and I’m also a black female.
Did anyone notice the difference in how the NYC firefighters reacted to Senator and Mrs McCain and backtrack?
You don’t think they remember wright’s preachings?
After watching that video my reaction was
Backtrack don’t bet the mansion on New York.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMBAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
NY has a great history of electing RNC mayors and Governors.
Let us all work for a Red NY this year as a Gift to liberate Senator Clinton From the likes of Dean et al.
That makes 2012 a story we can write together with Senator Clinton.
The nation needs a shaking common sense and Country First need to be our Mantra.
Are you a real person, or just somebody pretending to be a [EDITED BY ADMINISTRATOR FOR DISPARAGING, INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE]? “Work for a Red NY” for Clinton? What a [MORE INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE].
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Your comment is very inappropriate.
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Are you even a Democrat? Who are you?
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Jealous?
No, she was kind of a [EDITED FOR SEXIST LANGUAGE]
feral?
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Patti,
You walked right into that.
Sometimes it’s best to ignore the trolls.
I know but couldnt help myself. I try to be nice.
“He may even have to campaign in New York now that McCain is within five points of the underperforming Obama.”
Quite true: Obama’s lead in New York state is as large as McCain’s lead in the most symbolic Battleground, Florida. He has to inject some cash there, if only to maintain his lead…
New York/New Jersey tv market really burns cash fast.
New York is a swing state now? This is getting beyond absurd. Bill Clinton was right. This is a weird election.
Everyone line up for the Bob Fosse finish!
Big smiles! High kicks!
“Those bitter town blues
Are melting away
Obama’s made a big ol’ mess of it
In old New York…
And if McCain can make there
He’s gonna make it everywhere
It’s up to you
New York, New York!”
LOL, very good.
I LOVE this!!
It wasn’t a wierd election until Dean/Brazilenut/DNC gave the nomination to Obama.
and this part of CA here as yet I have not seen one Obama sign all McCain and Palin…
Do we know the poll results for CA? I guess it’s still Blue?
Lived in NY for 47 years and have been saying since April if they continue to screw Hillary and Bill they just might lose in NY.
D’Amato, Pataki, Guiliani and other reps have won repeatedly. Same with California - Arnie got the Gov job there, business as usual, may the best candidate prevail. American Independent voters are all the rage in this age of cynicism towards candidates and party line, it is the new norm.
In a close race like this we aren’t married to our party affiliation, there are too many factors, many of which involve our national safety and our wallets, to just blindly vote Dem.
NY’ers are high information voters, they also love their senator and that guy she married.
In the next few weeks we should pummel the swing state newspaper editorials and blogs with our messages. The obots are paid to, we do it FREE.
If Obamacus blows this Reid/Pelosi/Dean will definitely see challanges to their leadership, and rightfully so.
How about Hillary as Senate Majority Leader? That would crush Obama like a tissue. Not only would he have to deal with a crushing presidential defeat, but now has to serve his last year in the senate under Hillary’s leadership thumb. I think Obama would resign before having to face that.
Don’t feed my dreams.
Good one!
Oh, wow… talk about Kharma.
The thought sends a pleasant tingle up my leg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk_fPi-24Iw
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I had to watch it out of curiosity. That was so scary, but it made me laugh. Kind of like the clown in the pediatric ward when I had my tonsils removed and still felt loopy from the anesthesia.
Sec State in a McCain admin is my best guess, follows his promise of a mixed cabinet, HRC has the international contacts and foreign policy experience and it would really stick it to the DNC if she accepts the nomination.
What leadership? What is the DNC made of, Lemmings?
Oh, if Obama would lose New York– now that would be beautiful…
I’m doing my bit.
I’m doing mine too, and I sure would like to see Hillary as a Senate majority leader who would pledge to work with John McCain to get the country on course again.
(And wouldn’t we all love to see the Senate in session with Sarah Palin presiding–as she will as VP–Hillary as Majority Leader, and The One sulking in the back next to Claire M.?)
I say a little prayer every night that I’ll get to see Ms Pit Bull wielding the gavel in the US Senate. I can’t wait.
OMG! I hadn’t even thought about that! I like that image.
GREAT SCENARIO! I’ve got my fingers crossed and saying my prayers.
Thats Ms Hockey Mom in the Senate!
Obama=McGovern 2008.
Excellent!! Obama is in a downward spiral!! All he has left is negative attacks!!
Check out latest poll from Michigan!!
MICHIGAN
McCain 45%
Obama 44%
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/mi/michigan_mccain_vs_obama-553.html
Obama is taking on water and sinking fast.
Let’s keep the pressure on Ozero!
NO RETREAT!!
McCain-Palin ‘08
Hillary 2012
Now his thugs will have to go to work big time.
More negative ads from Obama will be like drilling a hole in the boat to let the water out.
It must be so frustrating for the Democrats to have their tactics backfire this way.
After all, the Republicans have used the same methods for decades with great success–and been called political geniuses for doing so.
And now this! A video on youtube where Obomb-a touts his connection with Ayers. When this is all over he will be lucky to carry Hawii.
youtube.com/watch?v=D-45A6I-N5I&eurl=http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=75384
I love the sound track, it sounds like the “lord of the rings” orc theme
Don’t forget this:
Intrade Market Odds: McCain 51.4 - Obama 47.5
The best poll of all…Intrade!
If you follow sports books, they are on target.
Just wait and see how the numbers tumble for Obama after the Sept 26th debates.
Maybe on Sept 27th, Axelrod will have Bambi do another tour of Europe, or Daschel will make another statement that if Obama doesn’t win, he will pick up a phone and make one call to bring out all the thugs to protest, like he threatened before the convention.
And rumour has it that Dean and Leahy will hold America hostage by increasing the price of maple syrup if Obama doesn’t win!
There will be a huge TV audience for that first Presidential debate.
McCain is ready. Obama is crapping in his underoos.
He’ll be ok after a few puffs on a crack pipe. Yeah, that will mellow him out real good. Keep an eye on HIS eyes. They will be a dead give-away.
BETCHA!
Yeah they are slanted when he’s stoned and his lips are extra purpley.
Axelgrease is having Barry read Debates for Dummies. How appropriate.
Did Tom Daschle say that? About bringing out the thugs? Seriously, the people backing Obama are truly corrupt and totalitarian.
btw- whatever happened to Daschle? Not that I miss him or anything.
not the maple syrup!
And Ben and Jerry’s (although under new ownership) will have their dairy cows on strike.
No Chunky Monkey for Alaska.
They were so in the tank for ob.
Damn it, why hasn’t anyone done a California poll? The last poll I could find is a PPI poll that was done on August 28th. I want to see what CA is looking like now that Palin’s on the ticket.
hmm, maybe they haven’t released one on purpose because it doesn’t favor Obama?? Bad press for him if he is even close there. Makes ya wonder.
I’d like a California poll. I haven’t seen one Obama/Biden bumper sticker - and this is car heaven.
I noticed that too while in CA last week. One of the reasons could be that Californians drive nice cars and they may not want a crappy bumper sticker that reads Obama/Biden….it devalues the price of the car even more.
well all I have seen are McCain & Palin signs none for Obama here : I am sure there out there somewhere but not as one would expect.
BTW, the original comment about the Cali polls was mine. I don’t know why my autoform filled out only “John” instead of John House when I made the comment. I know there are other Johns on this board, so I was just clarifying.
I would love it if Obama beats the record of most states lost… Yes, Recreate ‘68, heh.
It would be Recreate ‘72, because 1972 is the year McGovern made just about the entire country red, LOL.
Even as much money as Obama has, he still doesn’t have enough to cover all the states he is losing in. And add to that it hasn’t done him much good in alot of states, let him spend it all and all of his shady, crooked scummy friends w him.
Well, it seems as if he has to spend 3 or 4 to one…
What makes me angry? Thief make me angry. That’s why I am so angry with Barack Obama’s campaign.
WRONG WRONG WRONG.
Obama is a map changer. The map is changing daily.
and not in the direction all the venal, mediocre, compromised and idiotic boys online promised.
Change we need…
Without the DNC and their left wing kooks
and
the DLC and the voice of moderates
The DNC is going to throw the Mother of All Tantrums, when O’Barky loses.
The DLC will “Cross the Aisle” and work with McCain/Palin.
The end of partisanship as we now know it. It’s almost worthy of a Dean scream. (almost)
They have to quit taking money from Soros
Some funny stuff from Ace:
http://ace.mu.nu/
Lefties Entering Stage 2 of Dealing with Loss: Anger
—Ace
And threats. Oh, the threats.
Stage one was denial.
Now we’re at anger.
Did I mention: Threats?
Maybe it’s a transitional thing between stage 2 and stage 3: Deal making/bargaining.
I disagree with many of his sub-points, but Russ Smith touches on an emerging storyline: the certain combination of acute anger, despair and bitterness on the left if McCain’s late comeback snatches victory away from Obama in the homestretch of this incredibly long and intense campaign. The response to Kerry’s defeat was muted by the fact that few liberals were especially smitten with him to begin with. But the fallout this time could be pretty raw stuff.
Plus: Dark hints that an Obama loss can only be explained by prejudice. And what implications does that have for society? Better to not find out, I’d say.
Barack Obama for President
Or else there will be “raw stuff,” if you know what I’m saying, and I think you do.
Posted by Ace at 07:32 PM New Comments Thingy
Hollywood in a Panic
—Ace
Jesus was an Executive Producer.
“People are really scared that McCain is gaining,”< said a Hollywood politico involved with Tuesday’s fundraiser. “In my 20 years here, I have never seen folks write checks like this.”
Right.
And Mr. “We haven’t seen an economy like this since the Great Depression” is hosting a 28k a plate dinner in Beverly Hills.
That’s $28,0000.00 per person for the privilege of dining with the One.
If it’s the Great Depression, shouldn’t he be out there on the street handing out apples and a slice of bread?
LET THEM EAT CAKE!
Paul3Triple-
2004 Bush (agressor) Kerry (nice guy) … winner Bush
2000 Bush (agressor) Gore (nice guy) … winner Bush
1996 Clinton (agressor) Dole (nice guy ) …winner clinton
1992 Clinton (agressor) Bush Sr. (nice guy) winner clinton
1988 Bush Sr. (agressor) Dukakis (nice guy) winner Bush Sr.
1984 Reagan (agressor) Mondale (nice guy) winner Reagan
1980 Reagan (agressor) Carter (nice guy) winner Reagan
Get the point ?
So when you say McCain is being brillant by being a gentleman and taking the high road, forgive me if I respectfully disagree …
Your little demonstration doesn’t include the words “thug” and “punk.” 0bama and his neglgible “resume” = thug and punk when he goes negative.
But “thug” and “punk” leaves little room for pushover, which what Obama is in the end.
from The Corner on National Review Online:
McCain Responds to Obama’s Reported Undermining of the Commander-In-Chief During Wartime[Andy McCarthy]
The McCain Campaign has issued a statement responding to the report from Amer Taheri (see today’s web briefing) that Sen. Obama secretly negotiated with the Iraqi government regarding U.S. withdrawal from Iraq. McCain spokesman Randy Scheunemann stated as follows:
At this point, it is not yet clear what official American negotiations Senator Obama tried to undermine with Iraqi leaders, but the possibility of such actions is unprecedented. It should be concerning to all that he reportedly urged that the democratically-elected Iraqi government listen to him rather than the US administration in power. If news repo