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The Three Stages of Panic

During the primaries and up until the convention, many Obama supporters pushed the narrative that Hillary supporters had to go through the classic stages of grief before we accepted Obama. On Correntewire, Lambert writes that Josh Marshall and others:

started running the “stages of grief” trope on Hillary supporters way back in February—you know, from anger, through denial, bargaining, depression, to acceptance. It’s an easy riff to run, even for bad writers, so it’s been all over the Obama blogs

Of course this “stages of grief” narrative oozed with sexism and condescension. The subtext implied that Hillary’s female supporters, emotional at the loss, had to be given post-partum recovery time, but then they would come around and, for those hold-outs, a few reminders about Roe v. Wade would get them in line. That was the strategy throughout the summer.

McCain’s selection of Palin as vice president, exquisitely timed to halt Obama’s bounce, has dominated the news for more than two weeks. It has also radically re-shaped the race. By most reports, Obama is slightly behind McCain in national polls and, more importantly, McCain has taken the lead in the electoral college.

The panic from the Obamabots in palpable.

Let me suggest that there are 3 levels of panic.

1. Wunderwaffen.

During World War Two, Hitler forced his beleaguered arms manufacturers to produce “miracle weapons,” strange armaments which he believed would turn the war in Germany’s favor.

Like armchair generals in a losing battle, losing political campaigns have supporters who desire the Wunderwaffen, a magical weapon which can sink the other side or a proven winner who can take the reins of the campaign and guide it to victory. In 2004, while Kerry was being hammered by Bush, many pleaded for James Carville to take over Kerry’s war room and provide the message discipline from 1992. From the Democratic Underground, August 27, 2004:

I have been saying this for over a month now…I wrote Mr Carville the following email:

Mr. Carville, please save the Kerry campaign!
He is throwing out sound bites that are perfect ammo for Rove and his evil crew. You can train this man.You can save this campaign and this country. We need you Mr. Carville.

In 2008, as victory becomes increasingly uncertain, Obama supporters are banking on voter registration and the belief that cell phone users are not accounted for in national polls. The same theories were trotted out in 2004 but the polls then fairly predicted the actual vote. However, there are even stranger ideas floating around Obama-land. At TalkLeft, there’s an armchair general named mmc9431 who believes that Obama should announce part of his cabinet now and turn them into roving ambassadors for the campaign:

Obama needs to come out with something very bold on his own if he’s going to have any chance of regaining the advantage.
Maybe he should announce ahead of time, 3 of his cabinet choices that would motivate his base. Sec of State, Attorney General and Sec of Treasury. These 3 could then go out and campaign of their platform. We’d have three people out there constantly pounding on issues rather than personalities.

Likewise, over at Daily Kos, Ursa Majority’s Wunderwaffen is one good television ad that will convince all the “low information” rubes to vote for Obama:

Yes, you heard it right. We need a killer ad (radio and TV) to get back onto message while shrinking McCain. And, with middle and low information swing voters, you’ve got to try to tie it all together in one digestible message. So, let’s get back to our effective messages of the post “Obama as Britney” era (i.e., McCain isn’t taking the issues seriously) and use McCain’s words and actions against him.

2. Denial

Obama supporters are now somewhere between searching for the magic bullet and denying that anything is wrong. The Kerry campaign is also rich with similar examples at a similar time in the campaign.

On September 17, 2004, almost exactly four years ago, Cartooner, at Democratic Underground, predicted that John Kerry would win in a landslide:

Call it an epiphany; call it crazy, and it’s just a hunch; but hey, A HUNCH made Quasi Modo famous…

~snip~

The economy, health care, jobs, LIES,

the messages are FINALLY STARTING TO RESONATE …

Ok… Maybe I’m an optimist; but I think Kerry will win on a
LANDSLIDE …

This campaign is also filled with delusion. A poster on Craig’s List gives Obama odds I’d like to take to Las Vegas:

Date: 2008-09-12, 12:32AM EDT
Location: new haven

He’s definitely going to win. No question.

What chances would you give him? I’d give him 100%.

3. Acceptance

The last stage is filled with sadness and recriminations.

Lentinel writes:

my heart sinks.
I lay some of the blame at Obama’s door.
As soon as he was assured of the nomination he turned South, figuratively speaking.
He voted for FISA.
He disowned public financing.
He went on preaching to evangelicals.
He waffled on his commitment to withdraw troops from Iraq.
He waffled on his commitment to the right of women to an abortion.
And, of course, he went on to treat Hillary Clinton and her supporters like dirt.

And Daily Kos’ DaveinSiliconValley has a diary titled: “Why (Sadly) Obama Will Probably Lose”

A few days ago I had a conversation with a mid-fifties nonreligious, pro-choice, Caucasian, suburban mother who thinks the Iraq war was a terrible mistake, that Bush was a terrible president, and is concerned that McCain may get us into another war, but she is “seriously thinking” about voting for McCain. I will give you a clue. She is absolutely going to vote for McCain.

I asked, given the way she feels on the issues, why isn’t she voting for Obama? She said “I don’t know.” I pressed her. She said, “I don’t trust him.” I asked why and she said “I don’t know.”

Obama can hit this lady with a thousand commercials explaining his stand on the issues and why his plans for the country are better than McCain’s plans and it will have no effect whatsoever on her vote. Zero. She is issue-proof.

What’s going on? Is it just subliminal racism? It’s not that simple.

After the 2004 election, Democrats became obsessed with psychoanalyzing the electorate. I engaged in some of this myself. Searching for answers, we read What’s the Matter with Kansas? but failed to find the answer. Believing, like DaveinSiliconvalley, that Republicans controlled the electorate with subliminal powers, we read George Lakoff’s Don’t think of an Elephant, but we found that framing issues is only one small part of winning elections. Framing can come across as patronizing, e.g., you’re pushing your agenda on the electorate instead of listening to their needs.

In 2006, as I began thinking about the next presidential cycle, I finally got around to reading Hillary’s Living History and President Clinton’s My Life. The Clintons, both policy wonks, believe that winning campaigns put forward good policies which appeal to the electorate’s aspirations. The voters do not need to be cajoled or hypnotized into voting for a candidate. The voters decide the issues and the politicians offer solutions.

The Clintons taught Democrats how to win elections. Remember, Bill Clinton was the first Democrat elected to a second term since 1936. Also, let’s not forget the magnitude of Hillary’s victories; she won Florida, Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Kentucky; she won West Virginia by 40%. A few caucus states and Obama’s delegate stealing in Michigan made the difference. Let’s not pretend that Obama was the people’s choice. The primary campaign was not a decisive win by either candidate, and millions of Hillary supporters will never forgive the way she was treated by those within the Party, to say nothing of the media.

The Clintons win by offering proposals to make people’s lives better. On the campaign trail, they talk incessantly about helping working people, and they both have an unwavering commitment to the nation’s defense. The Clintons reject flowery rhetoric and use a clear communication strategy. Their strategy is effective; they know how to build winning coalitions. I have no doubt that Hillary would now be locking down battleground states on her march to the White House.

Hillary won the popular vote and nearly all the important states. She was positioned to win the General Election. Hillary, like President Clinton, built a coalition based on economic opportunity and national renewal. Obama took the nomination because he controlled much of the Party’s infrastructure: his supporters controlled the hierarchy of the Democratic Party, specifically the Rules and Bylaws Committee, and he was funded and fueled by the activist base, by groups like MoveOn.org, and he was supported by the netroots and the media.

Now that the General Election is in peril, these groups, who failed to provide the base of the Party with any reason to vote for Obama other than habit, scramble to connect with the very voters they demonized during the primary as “low information” and hopelessly bitter. No one television ad or high paid adviser can turn the tide. Let them panic.

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Comment by Kelvin Hearts PUMAs | 2008-09-17 18:00:25

Actually, you PUMAs can start panicing. Per realclearpolitics.com, McCain’s lost his lead.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

Comment by James | 2008-09-17 18:03:29

Hillary would have been up in double digits. So bragging about being tied is nothing to brag about in a election cycle like this.

Go away troll.

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 20:35:23

specially when McCain is up (via that very link) by 20 in Electoral votes.
Can’t you almost SEE the fear in kevin’s eyes, even through the computer screen?

Comment by Clinton Fan | 2008-09-17 22:44:53

He sure is a dumb fuck, isn’t he, when he provides a source citation that screws his own argument!

:lol:

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-09-17 23:48:34

I heart your stupid posts Kevin!! Your sheer desperation speaks volumes about how seriously flawed Obama’s campaign is….well, it’s flawed because it has a flawed empty suit candidate!

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-09-17 23:50:29

opps…I forgot…XXs and OOs to Kevin hearts posts!!

PUMA POWER

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by Minnow | 2008-09-17 18:04:26

Well, I’m sure there’s a Pandora’s Box of TV ads that eager Republicans are dying to unload - I have no doubt that will redress the issue. It’s time America found out the ugly truth about Obama and his cronies.

Comment by Hill Dem 4 McPalin | 2008-09-17 18:10:59

 

Comment by Soldier of Christ | 2008-09-17 18:23:41

I use to believe there was a big gun, but, what I have seen is garbage. To dismantle this man, Mccain has to stop being the nice guy and hammer him with the worst smear. The worst. Not these little disagreement like ” He sign for this and he sign for that” childish fights. You guys don’t want this guy to get his polls any higher- then come out with the big guns and destroy him big time! His crowds are getting bigger again- people are forgetting all his ties and all his socialist agenda. The Rev Wright tape is old- unless you can find another juicy one that nobody has seen. If you have the big guns- come out with it and start using dirty politics. Right now in the state of Florida, they have an enoromous campaign growing from the ground up for Obama. Wake the hell up, Republicans, Independents, and Centrax- get the stuff out already!

Comment by Tristan | 2008-09-18 01:18:00

Don’t fall for that trap - that’s exactly what Obamacrats are doing, making Obama turn up the heat and go more and more negative. The negativity just turns off the voter. Do you even watch political ads any more or do you tune them out? All that money on the air is wasted now and we assume anything in them is, if not a lie, at least a half-truth. Ads don’t move us anymore.

McCain is at his best when he stands up tall and tells the truth. He doesn’t need to go negative or assassinate Obama’s character. All he has do to is look the American people in the eye and tell them that they deserved better than what they got this last eight years under Bush, and that he will fight every day to reform both the Republican party and the US Government, and that he’s been fighting all his life for his country. That’s all he needs to do, both in the debates and advertisements.

 
 

Comment by Jack | 2008-09-17 18:53:08

The Rezko ads will come. The $300,000 laundered to Obama via the land transactions.

 

Comment by Carol | 2008-09-17 19:01:39

Yes like meddling in the Iraq troop withdrawal situation and possibly facing charges of being guilty of violating the Logan Act. Ooops, poor Obama.

 
 

Comment by OBSP | 2008-09-17 18:08:04

We have had four years of an empty headed empty suit! No more!

Comment by OBSP | 2008-09-17 18:10:46

I meant 8 years. What do you know about BO? He’s the greatest marketing plan created. When I see him now I can only think of Mad Men. They convienced america that smoking was cool and now the marketing guys are trying to convience us that BO is cool.

 
 

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-09-17 18:08:47

McCain’s still ahead in state polls. The national poll stuff is right on schedule, +2 Obama from Gallup.

Good: now I can go vacuum the rug.

 

Comment by vinnie | 2008-09-17 18:11:15

I live in Colorado and the folks here are getting excited about doing phone banks and hitting the pavement. The obarry for change people who keep on calling me for donation and votes are almost not surprised when I tell them HELL NO. One guy even said “I guess you’re voting Republican this year?” LOL, what a loser.

Comment by Dtaylor | 2008-09-17 18:27:50

I agree — Colorado for McCain/Palin!

 
 

Comment by vinnie | 2008-09-17 18:12:13

I live in Colorado and the folks here are getting excited about doing phone banks and hitting the pavement for McCain and Palin. The o-barry for change people who keep on calling me for donation and votes are so not surprised when I tell them HELL NO. One guy even said “I guess you’re voting Republican this year?” LOL, what a loser.

Comment by Diana L. C. | 2008-09-17 18:35:24

I live in Colorado, too. One tried to convince me to meet him for coffee so he could explain the error of my thinking. Again, I told him I was just too busy ironing shirts, cooking dinner, and then would need to get back in the tub where I belong.

99 problems but a BO aint one.

Comment by Soldier of Christ | 2008-09-17 18:47:13

Diana, that is so funny………you should have added- bitter, clinging to gun and religion too..

 

Comment by Firefly | 2008-09-17 18:49:05

LOL! Mind if I use some of those next time I get a call from the obots?

Comment by chezmadame | 2008-09-17 20:53:01

I know it isn’t nice, but I have a friend who calls Arianna Huffington “Zsa Zsa the BO HO”.
It is kind of funny.

As for those realclearpolitics poll numbers, when Barky’s numbers start looking really bad, they drop USA Today/Gallup poll from the calculations. This brings Barky’s average up.

Realclearpolitics is a CNN website, and they’ve been dropping USA Today/Gallup to skew the numbers on and off since August.

 
 
 
 

Comment by Buzz Latte | 2008-09-17 18:14:14

Keep the numbers tight. Keep the Obots still hoping. Keep the hype going and the dialoque. Keep peoples’ minds on the election.

Bring out the 527s in full force. Bring out the whitey tape once and for all. Let the lawsuit against Obama and the DNC proceed. Let the lawsuit over Obama’s fraudulent IL bar application proceed. Let Fitzgerald still do his work in Chi-town.

REALLY? PUMAS should be scared over one day’s fractional poll numbers?

BWAAAAHAAAAA HAAAA!

 

Comment by Duras | 2008-09-17 18:15:05

Check back with us after the debates, dickweed.

Comment by Diana L. C. | 2008-09-17 18:39:07

Um uh uh um uh uh, I’m afraitd I won’t be able to follow O’s long-winded, condescending lectures as I cling to my “guns” and religion.

As an ex-teacher, I also know the concentration span of most young people–five seconds. He’ll put us all to sleep.

Comment by TeakwoodKite | 2008-09-17 19:24:55

He’ll put us all to sleep

…Those of us that are not already…

LOL :)

 
 

Comment by mimi | 2008-09-17 20:05:28

That’s what I’m waiting for, the debates.

But McCain, BE WARNED:

What if the moderators do to McCain what they did to Hillary? Softball 0bama and play Hardball with McCain. I hope McCain prepares himself for a hostile media.

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 20:45:37

McCain would call them on it right then and there, not later. He’ll stand up, ask when they’re going to ask equivalent questions of each person and if they don’t, he’ll walk out. McCain doesn’t have to be “nice” to barky, HIS party would enjoy him dissing obama like he disses everybody else.
The debates will be fair or it will be one hell of a show.

Comment by NoBamaNoWay | 2008-09-18 04:31:09

correct. if/when he calls the media on their obama-loving he will shut them down, plus make himself look stronger for standing up to a group that could potentially hurt him. you know Obambino would never do that.

 
 
 
 

Comment by tek | 2008-09-17 18:16:12

Yah, yah, go back to the student center and see if anyone wants to play ping pong.

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 20:49:56

ya know, 75% of those doing all this pushing for obama aren’t even old enough to vote. They’re working hard alright, and probably saying they’re the adult of the house when the pollsters call, but they aren’t, and they aren’t old enough to vote (they also aren’t dead or a family pet so they can’t vote in chicago either). Obama’s base can’t help him unless they lower the voting age to 16.
Can’t wait to listen to the obibots cry and whine on Nov 6. Everyone that I hear or see, I will proudly procliam, “For all you do, Hillary, this ‘dud’s’ for you” as they cry in their soda over losing LMAO (not old enough to drink beer either)
She will be relishing obama’s obliteration right along with us, if not in public, at least in her heart.

Comment by mcpalin hill | 2008-09-17 23:38:28

chiten — Democrats lose even when they are totally unified. They lose when people agree with them on every issue. This time however, they will lose because they are not unified and the electoral map favors Republicans. Independents are breaking for McCain. The rightwing of the Republican Party is totally unified and upbeat and the PUMA’s which could be as much as 1/2 of the Hillary supporters (9,000,000) voters are voting for McCain.

Therefore, electoral map, PUMA, Rightwing, Independents–Obama you are going to lose. GET OVER IT. I guess you could always cheat–keep that in mind as a desperate move.

 
 
 

Comment by Sarasota | 2008-09-17 18:16:44

This troll is in the denial stage…I am looking forward to the acceptance stage in November.

 

Comment by catherine | 2008-09-17 18:22:20

Yawn. Poor bots. They don’t realize what everyone else does. It’s over. We’re very much going to enjoy the next month and a half as the republicans destroy your Chicago thug.

PUMA

 

Comment by Uppity Woman | 2008-09-17 18:31:28

Oh we’re just shaking.

Swift boats. Two weeks. See ya.

Comment by TeakwoodKite | 2008-09-17 19:38:38

Thanks Uppity Women. More for the Zune.

Less for the lune.

Longer Boats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtsUrsgXnII&feature=related

 
 

Comment by No Obamislamists | 2008-09-17 18:31:39

Notice though that several pollsters like Hotline use an extremely weight Dem sample, sometimes as must as 41% of the sample. On many of these polls the Dems automatically start with a 7-9% point advantage, and Obama is still only 1-3 points ahead, maximum.

It’s going to come down to who is the most psyched (right now GOP) and who will get the people out there. The youth vote is notorious for flaking out, and I don’t see that being any different this year.

Comment by Diana L. C. | 2008-09-17 18:41:37

It’s one of the reasons I have not yet officially changed my part affiliation. I’m sure I’m somehow being counted in O’s camp since I get so much of his begging letters.

Comment by hilldemgoneindie | 2008-09-17 18:59:55

heheh… me too (snickersnicker).

 
 
 

Comment by Jude | 2008-09-17 18:35:25

the national polls are close, but the state polls show a clear trend away from obama.

 

Comment by Bob | 2008-09-17 18:39:31

This is temporary, my friend, just temporary. : )

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 20:52:23

yup, come November, we’ll never have to hear obama bore us to death with his long winded drivel ever again :)

 
 

Comment by Al C. | 2008-09-17 18:43:37

PUMAs don’t need to panic.

The PANIC is still BO’s and his supporters. This is a group that essentially promised they’d be up about 20 points by now.

Guess what?

And, who has been doing most of the negative campaigning seen so far? The Republicans have barely warmed up while the BO campaign has been doing everything it can to slime McCain. They are only getting back to “even” after all the one sided (i.e., favorable) MSM coverage and negative ads.

If you really think the signs are good for BO, then you need to return to earth.

Comment by KathyNeocon | 2008-09-17 19:03:49

Whichever way the race goes it’s going to be very close. The fact is given the economy, the war, and Bush’s overall unpopularity, Obama should be way ahead in the polls. If Hillary were the nominee As usual the DNC blew it. The only time they’ve gotten a right in recent memory is Bill Clinton, and they’ve done what they can to marginalize him.

Comment by KathyNeocon | 2008-09-17 19:06:28

Sorry–accidentally hit add comment. I believe if Hillary were the nominee the Democrats would be comfortably ahead, not in the knock-down drag-out they’re in.

Comment by Psychic madwoman | 2008-09-18 00:54:18

No Shit,

She would be be up by double digits. Dean is a dunce.

 
 

Comment by Deep Truths | 2008-09-17 20:10:48

Pelosi and Reid’s number or BELOW George DUBYA.

In other words, the dems are not that jazzed about towing the line. They feel just as estranged from their own party as opposed to being offended by the Republicans who are offering up front REFORMERS, not hope and changey ‘promises’.

Like Bill Clinton said; “If you had a chance to choose the person who could get 50% of something done, as opposed to promising 100% and delivering zero, whom would you pick?”

 
 
 

Comment by beebop | 2008-09-17 18:44:03

I wish you could spell.

Let me tell you this. Every single ad here in Ohio from zeromama is negative. Not one tells us what zeromama can do. Not one. How long do you think it will take before people get tired?

Nothing but negative. Nada. I guess when you have no record to run on though, you have to take pot shots at your opponent, right?

 

Comment by richasis | 2008-09-17 18:50:50

“Per realclearpolitics.com, McCain’s lost his lead.”

FIRST, you can LEARN HOW TO SPELL ‘panicking’;

SECOND, it’s all about the ELECTORAL COLLEGE.

Comment by TeakwoodKite | 2008-09-17 19:43:05

Ipods don’t come with calculators…

 
 

Comment by PhxNickD | 2008-09-17 19:06:34

I would be more concerned about NY & NJ now considered being swing states

 

Comment by Monet | 2008-09-17 19:09:35

Kelvin Hearts Pumas: “Actually, you PUMAs can start panicing. Per realclearpolitics.com, McCain’s lost his lead.”

Kelvin, I don’t know where you’ve been for the past month, but it’s been a tie. Don’t you read the fine print at the bottom of the polls about the pluses and minuses?

There’s no reason for the McCain supporters to panic. The scandals in McCain’s life we already know about. We already know that McCain (except for his years in Hanoi) was a goof-up until he was in his 40’s and decided to run for Congress. He graduated at the bottom of his class at Annapolis, nearly drowned when he crashed one plane because he didn’t do his homework, had numerous affairs after his return from Vietnam, left his first wife for his current wife and found himself in the middle of the Keating savings and loans mess. I guess we could find out he prefers coffee made in a 1960’s percolator and popcorn made in a hot air popper instead of a bag in the microwave. The touchy stuff in Governor Palin’s past has made the airwaves and very few flocked away from the McCain campaign and the ones who did, appear to have gone back to third party or I don’t know status.

However, Senator McCain hasn’t started loading his guns on the Senator Obama campaign yet. The ridiculous kindergarten sex ed. ad and the big to-do about the lipstick statement shows the McCain campaign will fight dirty, embellishing and misconstruing anything they can get their hands on that they don’t think is inflammatory enough on it’s own. With the public already having a mistrust in Senator Obama, there’s more reason for the Obama campaign to be panicking than the McCain campaign.

Comment by Monet | 2008-09-17 19:13:02

P.S. Kelvin - come on over to the dark side. Jump on in, the water’s fine. The Republicans aren’t all that scary once you get to know them.

Comment by Arabella Trefoil | 2008-09-17 20:20:21

The snacks are good too.

 
 
 

Comment by YES HRC | 2008-09-17 19:45:34

Kelvin Hearts PUMAs, your name reflects Obama’s campaign. Lies and cover-ups.

Nobama. I’ve gone through the five stages of grief for Hillary, and whaddya know? STILL not voting for thug Obama.

MCCAIN/PALIN ‘08

Comment by Monet | 2008-09-17 20:42:10

I never got around to the five stages of grief. I didn’t have time, I needed to find another candidate to vote for since I’d decided months earlier I wouldn’t vote for Senator Obama or acquiescence to the machinations of the DNC. Since I skipped the grief, does that make me a double racist since I’m not a subliminal racist? I’d to keep this all straight about what I am based on who I vote for.

What happens if I vote for an African American, Arab American, Native American, Hispanic or Asian American down ticket? Does that make me then racist towards whites?

I’m so confused about this whole base one’s vote on the color of the candidate’s skin instead of the issues and the candidate’s knowledge and ability. I’ve never tried this new method of voting before. Someone needs to publish a primer.

 
 

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 20:34:08

sorry ’sweetie’, but your link says that it’s a tie for one thing, so obama doesn’t have a lead, and it ALSO says McCain is up by 20 electoral votes.
I guess he hasn’t “lost his lead” afterall. Electoral votes count, favorability ratings (especially when TIED), don’t.

 

Comment by makeji | 2008-09-17 22:27:03

Obama’s bump is coming because of the problems on Wall Street - it’s the old: kick out the bums in office and bring in someone new.

McCain needs to continue to keep calling Obama on his connections to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and Lehman Brothers and their role in his campaign.

In addition, McCain needs to come out with a clear plan of action.

What will likely nail Obama is his plan to raise the Capital Gains tax - which at this point would be disasterous.

Obama is likely, however, to increase his position in the polls over the next few days because of the fear factor.

 

Comment by Andy Lewis | 2008-09-18 09:56:56

Fuck off ya fuckin’ clown.

 
 

Comment by jjran | 2008-09-17 18:05:53

Amen to that!

 

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2008-09-17 18:05:58

And, with middle and low information swing voters, you’ve got to try to tie it all together in one digestible message.

Better take some Bean-NO before you try that dish!

UG! Heartburn again?
Love it. I needed the laugh!

 

Comment by tzada | 2008-09-17 18:07:23

Shock Poll: Jews Now Favor McCain in New York, 54-32
John Podhoretz - 09.17.2008 - 6:17 PM

The Siena poll, one of the two key polls of New York state voters, has come out with its monthly snapshot of the presidential race in the Empire State. And it’s stunning. It is remarkable, though not eye-opening, that John McCain is now only 5 points behind Barack Obama, 46-41 – not shocking because polls have narrowed to similar margins in New Jersey. (It should be noted, however, that according to a Rasmussen poll released yesterday, Obama is leading in New York by 55-42.)

No, the shocking detail has to do with a wild, 35-point swing toward McCain among Jewish voters. Obama led among them by a margin of 50-37 in August. This month, McCain is actually leading Obama by a margin of 54 percent to 32 percent.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhoretz/31061

Comment by BettsAZ | 2008-09-17 19:13:14

Great article!…and John Podhoretz is a credible source…The DNC had Hillary back out of the UN Rally Against Iran, whose President has repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel and all Jews everywhere(Achmedinejad:”Israel is a gutter nation and should be wiped off the face of the world”)
Here’s my thought:Hillary has a lot of Jewish friends. Did some one tell Hillary that it will make OBAMA look bad in the eye of the Jewish voter if she backed out of the rally?…and maybe decide on McCAIN?
I do not believe that Hillary had anything to do with the decision to not attend this rally.She is a leader…not the petty little nothing Obama.

 

Comment by mimi | 2008-09-17 20:14:41

Anybody who didn’t know that this was going to happen was smoking crack. Given 0bama’s ties and some of the things that have come out of his own mouth.

Oh why did the Party nominate this jerk?

Hillary had NYS sewed up!

 

Comment by street_parade | 2008-09-17 21:11:19

I’d guess McCain’s lead among Jewish voters will be even more after Palin addresses the protest against the Iranian President next week.

 
 

Comment by Terry | 2008-09-17 18:08:37

Gosh, Bud, I sure hope you’re right. I watch MSM and get a sick feeling - like I had after the Potomac primaries when I realized that a combo of corruption and media bias was certainly going to hand the Democratic nomination to a person without any merit or qualifications. I don’t trust Obama and his Chicago thugs & I fear they are going to steal this election with the complicity of the media.

Never thought this lifelong Democrat would come to dread her own party. As Lynn deRothchild so brilliantly said on CNN tonight, I revere the lives that McCain and Palin have led; that is why they have my vote. Country before party.

Comment by tek | 2008-09-17 18:20:03

I agree. I’m starting to get the same feeling in the GE that I had in the primaries. No matter what crap Obama pulls, the corporate media cheers him on and smears McCain/Palin.

Comment by beebop | 2008-09-17 18:49:55

There wasn’t one mention of zeromama on ABC tonight while there was quite a long report on JSM. It was such a nice change.

 
 
 

Comment by 30yrdem-not any more | 2008-09-17 18:09:57

are you guys watching McCain and Palin
http://www.cnn.com/

Comment by 30yrdem-not any more | 2008-09-17 18:12:19

she is a PUMA….

 

Comment by Hill Dem 4 McPalin | 2008-09-17 18:23:13

Palin is terrific speaking on her feet, without notes. She just gave a fired up pitch about energy indepedence for economic prosperity.

 
 

Comment by tek | 2008-09-17 18:14:54

To go along with the meme, Sadly, I think the Democrats have messed this up so badly, nothing can save them now. RE: Obama: Looks fade, stupid is forever. This guy might be a pretty face, but he’s stupid, his surrogates are stupid, his campaign advisor is stupid, and I hate to admit that most of the “progressives” supporting him are stupid.

Unless Hillary is the 2012 candidate, it might be a long time before I vote Democratic again.

Comment by Bob | 2008-09-17 18:43:00

Did you say Obama is a pretty face?? Funny, but I can’t stand the sight of him. To me, he is a very ugly man. His inside is coming through.

Comment by aleph | 2008-09-17 20:45:27

He looks like his face is airbrushed on velvet in most photos. Minus the enormous ears of course.

 

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 21:02:08

His wife is not much to look at either. She always looks like she’s angry enough to go on a rampage about something. I’ve never seen such an angry looking woman. Of course, if I were married to that, I’d probably be angry too.

 

Comment by mcpalin hill | 2008-09-17 23:52:04

bob yes — I find Obama ugly inside and out.

 
 
 

Comment by AF catfish | 2008-09-17 18:16:45

In Hillary’s convention speech mentioned that cancer-stricken woman with no health insurance, who had adopted two (TWO!) autistic boys, who had painted Hillary’08 on her shaven head. Hillary was inspired by this bald woman.

I think it was their time in Arkansas, as well as Hillary’s mother’s background as a poor child who left home at age 8 because her parents could not afford to care for her, that allowed Hillary to see the dignity in people of all incomes and all education levels. As Bill often said, people he knew in Arkansas were very smart “they weren’t educated, but they were smart.” To their core, Hillary and Bill respect low income people (not all of them, just the ones worthy of respect, just like high income people.)

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 21:04:37

That’s a big key. Obama automatically assumes that if you don’t have an education, you are “stupid”. There are many, many very intelligent people, even geniuses who don’t have an education. Albert Einstein was a dropout. Bill Gates was a dropout. Why is it that he thinks those without an education have no value?

Comment by Ani | 2008-09-17 21:59:27

That is precisely what the snot-elite in the Dem. Party cannot stand about the Clintons — they treat people with respect whether or not they are Ivy League.

The attitude of ‘we know what’s best for you little girl/boy — now run along and let us big thinkers do the grown up job of governing you’ is a bunch of b.s.

And people can smell it a mile away even if they don’t characterize it by name — they just decide they are not going to vote for it.

Which is why Kerry et al always lose.

 
 
 

Comment by PamFlorida | 2008-09-17 18:16:51

I don’t believe in polls anymore, especially where BO is concerned. They can be gamed and biased. For example-Who are they calling? Randomly generated lists? Populations who are demographically predisposed to vote for Obama? How many people in the sample? How often are polls conducted in states?
I live in south FL., a swing state this year, yet have NEVER been polled. What gives?

Comment by Andy | 2008-09-17 18:26:01

The polls are all over the place. It is very weird: no pattern no trends. It is impossible to tell you have
one organization having candidate X with +8 and another one with candidate Y with +5 for the same state, same dates and roughly same sample. It makes no scientific sense whatsoever….

Comment by No Obamislamists | 2008-09-17 18:39:55

Like I said above, the polls with the huge seemingly “pro-Obama” swings are polls that use a heavily weighted Dem sample. This may have been logical a few months ago when Dems were up 13-15 points in generic Dem vs GOP polling, but that has tightened up to 3-6% difference.

Obama starts with 9% lead right off the top in most cases, and still ends up being a tie or 1-2 point “lead”.

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 21:06:37

The only “poll” that really counts is the one that happens in November at the ballot box (provided obama doesn’t manipulate that as well)

 

Comment by mcpalin hill | 2008-09-17 23:57:35

no obamaislamists I have read that Obama was told that there are 6% of voters who will not vote for Obama because of his color. They call this the Bradley Factor. These voters do not show up in the polls but they are out there in every state.

 
 
 

Comment by Ms J of FL | 2008-09-17 18:30:01

yea, we’re barky’s hidden enemy. they havene’t called me either. who cares?