Two-Fer: Faith Train and Same Sex Marriage
By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on September 26, 2008 at 8:29 AM in Backtrack Obama, Bamboozling, Barack Obama, Donnie McClurkin, GLBT, Human Rights, Religion, Rev. James Meeks, pandering
Not long ago, I was able to share The Good News with you on how the Obamessiah is reaching out to the Faithful! Remember this?

How about this?

Oh, and we cannot forget this one - I know it was a hit with the Catholics in the crowd (right Divine?):

O, ye people of faith - wait until you hear THIS! Hot off the presses! Exclusive: Obama Campaign Faith Tour Starts Next Week Halle-freaking-lujah!
An official with Barack Obama’s campaign tells The Brody File that beginning next week the campaign will start an official faith tour in key battleground states called “Barack Obama: Faith, Family and Values Tour”. The subheading of the tour is as follows: “Voting ALL Our Values”
The Brody File is told that top faith surrogates will hit the trail for Obama. Some of those high profile figures include Former Indiana Congressman and pro-life Democrat Tim Roemer, Catholic legal scholar Doug Kmiec, and author Donald Miller. You can also expect a soon to be named Evangelical North Carolina (red state) Congressman to travel the country as well. All of these surrogates are well versed and comfortable talking faith and politics. This is clearly a sign by the Obama campaign that they plan to target red state and swing state moderates.
Remember this name: Doug Kmiec. I’ll be telling you more about him farther along.
Wait - it gets even better:
A campaign official tells me the tour is designed to feature the “strong faith and values” of both Barack Obama and running mate Joe Biden. Issues will range from healthcare to poverty to the economy to climate change to yes, even abortion. The campaign understands tough questions may come their way but they’re ready with an answer of how they can reduce abortions.
Hold the phone - they are going to feature the “strong faith and values” of Barack Obama? Really? Does that mean Rev. Jeremiah Wright will also be going on this tour, illuminating Obama’s “rich white people” are to blame for all your ills beliefs? Funny - I don’t remember seeing his name listed above! Now THAT I would turn out to see, with a big ol’ bag of popcorn - wouldn’t you?
Maybe they’ll want to include Obama’s good buddy, IL State Senator The Rev. James Meeks, on this tour, educating us on the evils of *GASP* homosexuality! And the “Slave Masters,” aka MAYORS (by the way - that was the nicer choice of words he used) controlling their lives. Holy Moly - that would be something!
You know that this is just another way to get his Word out to those who may not have heard how he cares for them, yearns for them to know the truth and to be set free. Or it could be this:
While conservative Evangelicals have flocked to Palin, the Obama campaign is targeting voters from so many of the other faith traditions. The Brody File has been told that even with Palin now in the race, the Obama campaign’s internal faith polling shows them to be doing better than expected with other denominations besides conservative Evangelicals.For example, they have their sites on places like Ohio which is home to roughly 500,000 United Methodists alone.
Oh, goody - they are going for the bitterly clingy churchy gun-toters. Brilliant!
Thankfully for those of us who are apparently going straight to Hell:
This tour will last about a month or so and will be in a town hall format where these speakers and others will give their talks in community centers and gyms and then take questions afterwards.
I don’t think I could take hearing about it any longer than that. (Shoot, I don’t know I’ll last a day, and with the Yankees out of the Playoffs, I have no idea how I will be able to ignore this.)
Just in case you are wondering, and want to be on the receiving end of a lovely button or bumper sticker, check to see if your state is listed here:
Among the states on the list are Colorado Indiana, North Carolina, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Missouri, Florida, New Mexico, Virginia and Wisconsin. Remember, the Obama campaign believes the White Catholic vote is very much in play especially in places like Pennsylvania. Plus, while conservative Evangelicals are not going to head Obama’s way, the campaign believes they can win over those moderate and liberal Evangelicals, Catholics and even some conservative mainline Protestants.
Oh, it’s a veritable cornucopia of states AND denominations on which the Faith Train will be focusing. Whohoo - y’all will be having SOME prayer meetings!
Look, getting conservative Evangelicals was alw
Okay, just because the end of this article buys into Obama’s schtick, I have to share it will you:
(It is) a tough sell for the Obama campaign and it became much tougher after the Palin pick. But the Obama campaign understands that most people in this country consider their faith integral to their lives. The values and religion talk resonates not just with conservative Evangelicals but a whole range of people out there. It means different things to different people. Obama wants to tap into that and also stay true to the fact that his faith has been central to his life.
Well, I sure agree - it does mean different things to different people. I’m guessing this writer (Brody) doesn’t understand just what Obama’s faith IS, but hey, I’m sure all will become known in time…
Okey dokie. A slight change of gears, but not much. Recently, I had a post based on an article in the NY Times (Same-Sex Marriage Ban Is Tied to Obama Factor.) on Same Sex Marriage in CA that has the potential to be overturned on Nov. 4th. The article said Obama bringing out the AA vote might not bode well for California keeping same sex marriage legal since many in the AA community are quite conservative on this issue. As you no doubt know (despite what your Obamatron family/friends may say), Obama DOES NOT support same sex marriage. He supports civil unions, and thinks it is up to the individual states to decide. But, he claims in this article that he does not want to write discrimination into the CA Constitution. Well, guess who does? If you guessed Doug Kmiec, the man mentioned above, you would be RIGHT!! Yes, the one Obama has mentioned prominently to lead off the Faith Train to bring all you folk into the fold is a big ol’ homophobe. Hmmm - maybe he and Donnie McClurkin can be roomies as they make their way around the country spreading their joy and sunshine - for straight people only, that is. Ahem.
It Seems dear ol’ Doug wrote an editorial to the San Francisco newspaper back in June. Because I care, I will allow for Mr. Kmiec’s entire loving, compassionate concern for his fellow citizens to appear below, though I think his title gives it away:
On Same-Sex Marriage
Should California amend its Constitution?
Say ‘no’ to the Brave New World
The California ballot initiative intended to set aside the state Supreme Court’s judicial invention of same-sex marriage deserves public support. Maybe it is enough to say, as many do in conversation, that it merely re-secures a millennia of tradition and common sense. The initiative will restore to the people what was wrongfully taken from them: the right of self-governance and respect for the marital institution.
The initiative is simple: adding to the state Constitution the traditional man/woman definition of marriage that exists in virtually every state - and that the people approved in statutory form by more than 61 percent in 2000.
Because an affirmative vote is obviously intended to reverse the recent 4-3 opinion that wrongly overruled the people, the supporting ballot explanation should retain this simplicity. To avoid litigation, however, that explanation should explicitly indicate the effect of passage as reversing both the decision and reasoning of the court. Were the initiative to be narrowly portrayed in the ballot pamphlet as only denying that same-sex marriage is a fundamental right, the overly litigious would be tempted to argue that the court’s additional holding that sexual orientation is a suspect class was untouched by the balloting, leaving an avenue to block the people’s will yet again. The state Attorney General and Secretary of State should not allow this judicially active mischief.
Voting to overturn the court’s ruling should not be misunderstood. Gay and lesbian individuals are within the humanity acknowledged to be created equal and worthy of respect in the Declaration of Independence, but that responsible reaffirmation of equality of citizenship does not deprive the community of making a necessary and reasoned distinction for its own survival.
Beyond correcting the court’s disregard of the separation of powers, insisting upon preserving the link between marriage and procreation: 1) promotes the orderly continuation of the species; 2) avoids the uncertainties of single-gender effects on children (most parents readily recognize the distinctive contributions of male and female in child rearing); and 3) takes respectful account of the difficulties of accommodating religious freedom that arise subsequent to the legal acceptance of same-sex marriage. Oddly, and incompletely, the California Supreme Court managed to ignore these important issues in its 170-plus page opinion.
The proponents of same-sex marriage insist that inventing gay and lesbian marriage harms no one, but the above concerns suggest otherwise. Moreover, it overlooks the national and global decline in fertility, which threatens the economies of Europe and contributes to the weakness of our own. To say, as its advocates do, that the availability of same-sex marriage is not the principal cause of this decline in terms of absolute numbers is a fair point, but giving state approval to non-procreative marriage cannot be denied as a contributing cause to the decline of families with natural children.
Separating marriage from procreation may also have other remote, but frightening, ill consequences. Society should be skeptical of wider use of asexual procreation. An earlier dark moment in U.S. history employed eugenics to forcibly sterilize the mentally disabled. The push for artificial wombs and the genetic manipulation of intelligence already peppers scientific literature - a push that would no doubt grow, accommodating even the minimal same-sex desire for simulating natural child birth - claimed to be of interest for 20-30 percent of same-sex couples. When carefully assessed, the acquisition of unnatural reproductive means often advances the interests of the very affluent through a libertarian exercise that would threaten all hope of democratic equality.
In a depopulating world, the claim that there is a universal right to marry regardless of gender becomes a frightening ally of a claimed universal right to access to genetically engineered children. People should reject this claim by returning traditional marriage to its rightful place.
What a swell guy. In case you were wondering, here are his credentials:
Douglas W. Kmiec is chairman and professor of constitutional law at Pepperdine University and the former constitutional legal counsel to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush.
I guess returning the country to George H.W. Bush’s foreign policies isn’t the only thing Obama wants of Bush’s - he wants his former legal counsel to reach out to the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgendered Community, as well. Oops - wrong. I mean, he wants him to shower the people with love, love, exceedingly conditional, narrow-minded, repressive love by someone who is not a minister, but a lawyer, spreading the good news of his particular brand of Christianity. It makes me wonder why in the world Obama picked him - and this was apparently AFTER he came out with his stance against same-sex marriage. Why him? Really - a lawyer who worked for Reagan and Bush. To go out and spread the Word about Obama and the Gospel. Yeah, sure, okay. (Hey! I have an idea - maybe I should start teaching law classes or taking legal cases. Why not? How hard could it be? I mean, really, if this guy thinks he can do MY job with no training - and believe you me, my job required a LOT of training, including an M.Div. that takes longer to get than a JD, so why not? I’ve seen legal shows! I watch movies! I know I could do it - I am sure the Spirit will move me to do the right thing in the class/courtroom, right? Ahem.) Just one more associate of Obama’s whose stands go against who Obama claims himself to be, and whose participation seems a bit out of place, except for his stand against same-sex marriage. Maybe HE’s the one who came up with the “Pro-Family (as long as everyone involved is heterosexual)” button. Just a thought.
How many passes is this guy going to get?!? Heaven knows, he has gotten more than he deserves, and more than anyone else in his position would. Just leaves me scratching my head.
And now it is time for someone to please tell me again why anyone thinks that Barack Obama will do one damn thing for the GLBT community? I mean, one POSITIVE thing?? I don’t see it, and I sure don’t buy it. And, scratching my head that his supporters keep making these claims about Obama based on, well, nothing! No, actually, making claims despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary! So here’s you a sign - make that three of them - that Obama is a master manipulator who will say whatever to whomever whenever it suits him.
Sounds like he could use a visit from the Faith Train his own self, don’t you think? Maybe they can pray that lying demon right out of him. I’d like to see that, yes, I surely would. Maybe he’d be convicted in his spirit, and would finally admit that he is way out of his depth, and is only doing this for the power, concede, and get the hell out of the rac alreadye. Hey, I can dream, can’t I? Have a little faith - it could happen!












Religion does not belong in politics. It was wrong fro the neo-cons to attempt to force their religious views onto the entire country. It’s equally wrong for O to USE religion in his attempt to get himself elected for a position he is unqualified to fill.
And if you’re a Jew or a black, the Obama campaign would like to remind you the Republicans will mount your head on a wall. Unbelievable what comes out of the mouths of Obama surrogates.
This only confirms my belief that Obama is a neocon. The guy doesn’t have a progressive bone in his body.
That would be unfair to neocons!
This will go the way of the Obama World Tour - a laughing stock.
Amy, you are utterly brilliant! Thank you!
You are too kind, but thank you!
And He will deceive “even the elected”. He has started the march that I dreaded the march of deceiving the faithwalkers. I guess he knows that is where the “hold” is, but, I do believe in my heart, that the “elected” will fight him with tooth and nails. You can’t change the People who “cling to their guns, and religion. Maybe the Catholics- because they are mostly upset with their own church with all those perbs that run it. I am an ex-catholic and I can tell you that this was one of the most beautiful religions until all those closet homosexuals refusing to accept their calling- decided to take their desires out on children instead of just being themselves or changing. If they are allowed to get marry and remove all those idols- this church will become the beauty it use to be. Yes, he would probably fool these “elected”. But, the grassroots? I don’t think so. Maybe he will have liberals dressed up in sheeps christian clothe saying their are the faithful.
Soldier, I appreciate the sentiment regarding your former church, and your hope for restoration to its former state, but I must say, unequivocally, that being gay and being a pedophile are absolutely NOT the same thing. Most pedophiles are heterosexual. JUST to be clear…
Thank you for your dispute, Amy. But, you are wrong. The pedophiles in the church are not pedophiles to begin with. They are gay people that won’t accept themselves- run into a church, become monks and hope that the desires leave them. That is when they become pedophilers and only then. Pedophilers don’t pick a church for their mishaviors. If that is the case- the entire catholic church should be burned. Pedophiles that are true pedophiles are as you said “heterosexuals” (mostly that this) and yes they are scum of the earth- but- the ones that show up in the clothing of Yeshua are usually lost lambs that think they can change by escaping to the church for forgiveness. Hope you forgive me for disagreeing with you and don’t block me from your blog. A little kiss and a little love your way from the Soldier of Christ.
Soldier, I don’t block anyone for an honest, respectful difference of opinion. This is an area where we will have to agree to disagree, but I appreciate your willingness to engage!
For some reason Obama had the gay community at “Hello”. Arg.
No, the gay community was always pro-Hillary.
Our local Human Rights Counsel endorsed Hillary for the primaries.
True, and Hillary actually had the credentials and record to back it up.
Now it seems to be all about the Obama which I just cannot understand. This man is not pro-gay. His social positions go from pretty conservative to very conservative with the (possibly on some days) exception of abortion rights. I find it extremely frustrating! Why do people not see this?
The thing that really gets me is that we know Obama is a member of the TUCC…. the UCC SUPPORTS gay marriage, yet Obama states his reasons for not believing in gay marriage are “religious” in nature.
He refused to be photographed with Gavin Newsome, and refused to talk to the gay press forever.
He sees the gay community as just more votes. I don’t think for a second he particularly likes or cares about gay issues.
No he didn’t. It is estimated that ~3/4 of the G&L community is democrat; of those it appeared that many of the older (30+) were supporting Hillary and most of the younger crowd were supporting BHO. While I thought we originally had some good democratic candidates I saw through Obama pretty early in the game. When I heard about him not wanting to take a picture with Gavin Newsom, how he said the climate was not good to support gay marriage, when he lied about supporting a survivor benefit for domestic partners, I realized this guy is no friend to the G&L community. The advocate did an article on him last month — the article was perfect and clean - he was a life long friend to the community and had all these friends to prove it. It is my opinion that article was completely fabricated and gave the perfect answer to every doubt we had about him to the gay community. What is interesting to me is that since Palin has been added to the ticket - my republican gay friends have “come out of the closet” to tell me their opinions of the race. And they all think she is great.
23% of the G&L community voted Bush in 2004, I wonder what that number will be this year.
A safe guess? 0%. Bush isn’t running for office this year.
(I know what you’re getting at, but I couldn’t help being glib.)
Brilliant as always Reverend. Your rants are witty, insightful, and downright entertaining. Thanks
LJ
Larry, that means so much coming from you (and sorry for the constant comments - I usually try to consolidate so I don’t monopolize!). Thank you so much for ALLOWING me to write for your site. It is truly an honor.
I read where this tour already started and only 15 people showed up for the first one? I will see if I can find the link…
Obama’s Faith tour draws…15 people
Why didn’t they offer free bratwurst and beer like they did for the Germans? And the rock concert.
Today I sent a letter to the Vatican to let them know that catholics should not be included in Obamas next round of stunts to get the american people to think that he is so holy. Yes Rev. Wright did a great job and I hope that people see right through this.
I am waiting to see the Reverend show back up in an ad along with Obama’s friend and mentor Pfeleger…how about the picture of Michelle with all the Farrakhan family to balance it all out..
Democrats lambast Palin for her private faith and then Soertoro/Obama goes on a Faith Tour to drum up votes. Don’t they know the definition of oxymoron?
It would be laughable if it wasn’t so pathetic.
I found this interesting article about Bill Clinton’s Global Initiative’s annual meeting. He gave a great introduction for McCain.
But what I found interesting is what Bill said about Obama. It seems that Obama only wants enough info to get votes. “Clinton disclosed that Obama contacted both him and his wife for advice on the current crisis. “He said this: ‘Just tell me what you think [we] ought to do and do not waste any breath talking about what is - or is not - politically salable. Let’s figure out what the right thing to do is and then we’ll figure out how to sell it.’”
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/clinton_praises_mccain/2008/09/25/134478.html?s=al&promo_code=6B8E-1
He doesn’t give a chit about this or any thing else for that matter. He just wants to know what the politically correct thing to say for the day is.
Why don’t YOU figure it out, Obambi? Why ask the Clintons for help? If you need them that much, step down and let Hillary solve the problems first hand.
So what would an Obama administration do about same sex marriage and a woman’s right to her body? Would it be the same 180 he did on public finance, troop withdrawal, and TELCO immunity? That is the question you should be asking your O-bot friends.
as gay woman, I will not support Obama, mu guts are telling me, this man is bad choice, and not just because He will not do anything for gay communities, but He will not do anything for US-Americans, but only for HIM. He is selfish corrupted so badly politician, and I rether have current Washington Politics, then HIS!!!
Great post, Amy. Like you, I don’t believe O will do a single positive thing for the gay and lesbian community. But then, I don’t believe he’ll do a single positive thing for any of us except his corrupt friends. Ask the folks in his South Chicago district if he did anything for them. And what has he done for the people of Illinois, whom he has supposed to have been representing for the past three years? Nada. He’s been too busy running for president.
Isn’t that douche who tried to get Bill Clinton out of office, Ken Starr, Dean of Law at Pepperdine U.?
Slimebags of a feather.
Obama hang it up. Why? Born Alive ACt. No way in hell.
I’m pro choice and i have problem with that. Since i I am a christian my beliefs say that I can over ride my idealism with the principals that i believe that god gives people choices so should I, and that people who did not want them, and will abuse them should not have them. However allowing infants who survive the abortion, and that’s exactly what you are if air hits your lungs,is a completely different story. Children are considered wards of the state, there state has a right to take custody from a negligent parent. After all foster with AIDS will be taken from foster parents or their parents, if they do not give experimental medication that the foster parents see they are is harming more than helping a child. Also any medical doctor who will purposely not render medical attention to a dying infant should have his license yanked. And when you hear obama on audio saying that asking and extra doctor to come into the room to examine the child, doesn’t that just sound like call me if you need me, it ticked me off when i heard it, so you can bet your bottom dollar the evangelicals and catholics are not going to bite.
Remember in 80’s, when the New Born Christians were trying people make “change OUR beliefs and join them. It was happening everywere. It got so far that (at work, on streets, in stores) people got angry when they were approach. Now we have Obama, who is tellin US “Believers ” for Obama” This sounds like He is acting as He is GOD, if wE believe , we believe in Obama . Catholics for Obama, what a joke, this man tells US,what an ignorance. He is showing US HIS disrespect to people of all faith. If We are Catholics , then we should be for Obama. This is going way to far. I dont like and I am absolutely against for telling any people of their faith “believe in Your GOd, beleieve in ME!!!! This Obama movement is brain wash for some. No one will tell me that as catholic I should believe this guy, who is the dirtiest politician I ever saw.
We never hear this crap from McCain, and that is why I will vote for McCain. McCain prove to US,His believes and His faith is a private metter. What his oponent is doing, is ; “OBAMA-Faith”give me break. Come on Catholics, dont obey Your faith for someone who is telling that HE is OUR GOD. This is sick and dirty!!!I am giving my vote to McCain/Pelosi. McCain did great, by telling, that He will go to DC first to try to help to solve Economy crices, Obama is soreading hate agaimst McCain for putting todays “meetting-debate” on hold. McCain PROVE TO US, THAT COUNTRY OF USA ARE ALLWAYS FOR HIM ARE #1. THOSE DEBATES WILL NOT BRING ANYTHING MORE, WONT CHANGE ANYTHINg. MCcAIN TRIED TO HAVE SO MANY MEETINGS WITH OBAMA IN PASS, AND EVERYONE WAS TURN DOWN BY OBAMA AND NO ONE WAS SCREEMING ABOUT. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE, GET UP AND DEFEND MCCAIN IT IS ABOUT TIME TO GET VOCAL!!! To Obama, keep You hands from my faith, you are not acting like Christian, you act as you were everybody GOD. I hope Latino People wont get into this idiotic Obamas talk. Wake up Christian , and dont let this man fools You!!!
Bill O’Ralley said last night, that He is for Obama, now we all know, why His interview was so slicky and pro Obama. I would never expect Fox will do a such thing. O’ralley lost my respect. I remember when Obama was attackin O’Ralley, and O’Ralley was screaming”come here Obama, lets ahve talk. It was all stage, and O’Ralley should be working for MsNBC or CNN, He belongs there.O’Ralley fait, and I wont watch His show again. It is not that He supports Obama, but playing anty Obama on His show, and when Obama came, they were body,body. It was all but stage , and stupid!!!
Obama actually has a pro-gay voting record, including the Illinois Human Rights Act, which prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity while he was a state senator. As a US senator, he voted against the Defense of Marriage Act and voted for the full funding of the Ryan White AIDS Act. His campaign has an outreach to the LGBT community, and has received the endorsements of every major LGBT organization, including the HRC.
Kmiec’s presence isn’t great, I do admit, but there needs to be some clarification. While Obama is not for same-sex marriage (he’s for civil unions), he isn’t against them either. Unlike McCain, Obama does not support Prop 8 here in California. In the Saddleback Church forum, McCain said that the CA Supreme Court was legislating from the bench while Obama (and our Governator) have gone along with the CA Supreme Court decision.
Obama is for the complete repealing of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. McCain thinks it’s fine. He is for the repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act. McCain things it’s fine as well. He’s for ENDA - the bill that would federalize employment protection for LGBT Americans. McCain is not. As a gay man who is getting married in less than two weeks, the choice is clear.
Thank you very much for letting me participate in the discussion.
With regard to the Ryan White bill, big whoop. The 2006 Senate measure passed by UNANIMOUS CONSENT (I can’t find ANY record of a “vote” in the Senate). Incidentally, that measure was to REauthorize the bill (and the measure had a wide deal of support on BOTH sides of the aisle; the House version, which was the version signed by Dubya, was sponsored by a REPUBLICAN).
As for DOMA, he did NOT vote “against” the bill; it was passed before he even entered the Senate. (I had to correct a state Union newsletter for giving Obama credit for voting against NAFTA when he never had the chance to vote on the measure.) I also cannot find ANY record of ANY DOMA-related legislation coming before the Senate since Obama took office in 2004 that resulted in a VOTE. (Incidentally, Obama was “for DOMA before he was against it”. He didn’t come on the pro-repeal bandwagon until early 2004–this from a CHICAGO gay newspaper report.)
If Obama REALLY wants to repeal DOMA and DADT, maybe he should have spent SOME of his time in the Senate working towards those repeals. But his record shows he talks a much better game than his actions indicate.
did O’Reilly really come out and endorse Obama?
Why are they hiding Michelle? Is there a riff between the two per chance? Or are they just keeping her mouth muzzled in case she might ruin things? Obama needs to step aside and let the real leader emerge, Hillary.
HMMM- Let’s see- I live in PA, I am white, I am Catholic, I am NOT VOTING OBAMA! Somebody from the Obama campaign needs to come on out and check the bumper stickers on the vehicles in the lots of the three RC churches in our town on Sunday mornings and quit dreaming!
RRRA you done it again! Great read.
NQ is such a great blend of reseach, information that can’t be found elsewhere, up to the minute political news, and from the gut ranting and raving by the great writers here. The comments alone are worth the price of admission.
Oh and when this gets out into the “community” there should be backlash. I considered sending this to my gay obot friends but let them find out without me.
Hope this news gets lots of mention in gay press.