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Open Thread * It Matters How You Respond (or Don’t), Mr. Obama [Update]

UPDATE: This is from John McCain’s speech today in Albuquerque, New Mexico, which several readers have told me is one of the best speeches they’ve heard him give recently. C-Span has the full speech (thanks, Andy). Here’s a YouTube clip:

Thanks to our regular reader, Jim, for sending along Newsday’s Spin Cycle blog report today, “Video: Obama didn’t know about Ayers?“:

[...] Today, on CNN, Obama’s chief strategist David Axelrod asserted that Obama didn’t even know about Ayers’ radical past as a founder of the Weathermen. On the surface, that is possible — Ayers was also the son of a former CEO of Commonwealth Edison, a member of a wealthy family, and a prominent education professor at the University of Illinois.

But bringing it up seems to be a tactical error. [...]

It seems defensive. It opens up a factual issue that will merit more journalism, and more attention — can anyone contradict Axelrod? When did Obama find out who Ayers was? Already, paper is flying out of the McCain camp:

Does Barack Obama truly expect the American people to believe that he had no idea about his friend’s past as the infamous founder of the domestic terror group ‘The Weather Underground’ or is he just lying? If Obama didn’t know in 1995 about the bombings Ayers was responsible for, when did he find out — because Obama was promoting Ayers’ book in 1997, serving on boards with him until 2002, and trading emails and phone calls with him as recently as 2005. If Obama really was unaware of Ayers’ radical past, learning the truth doesn’t seem to have had any effect on their friendship.” …

The Newsday blogger adds, “All the McCain camp wants is for people to talk about Obama-Ayers, and Axelrod has provided fuel for the discussion.”

Who wants to bet that Sean Hannity may mention Bill Ayers tonight?

Now, I’m sure that most of the MSM will, like the New York Times, minimize the Ayers/Obama relationship. And the MSM will never mention the unusual “coincidences” in the men’s histories — such as their living about a block from each other in New York City, during Obama’s mysterious years at Columbia University.

So it will be up to us “citizen journalists” — readers and writers like you all here — to spread the word via e-mails and conversations with neighbors, relatives, and friends.

OPEN THREAD:

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Comment by Urban Hillbilly | 2008-10-06 16:23:33

Will Barack flip off McCain in his next speech?

Comment by Firefly | 2008-10-06 17:10:50

Naw - he’ll flip off Sarah Palin - he prefers female targets because his rabid pubescent fans get a bigger charge out of it - and so does 0bama, apparently.

Can’t you just see barky and his “inner circle” high-fiving each other after he (thinks he) got away with flipping off Hillary?

The creep 0bama and his creepy fans…

 

Comment by Woman Voter | 2008-10-06 17:42:59

CENSORSHIP: NBC PULLS SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE C-SPAN SPOOF OF BAIL OUT. MAKING FUN/SPOOFING OF REPUBLICANS AND THE CLINTONS IS OK, BUT NOT THE POWER ELITE (SOROS TOO).

DEAD LINK:
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/c-span-bailout/727521/

Comment by Dr. Kate | 2008-10-06 18:00:17

Wow. Looks like SNL got too close to the truth about soros owning the DNC…and this financial crisis timed so perfectly, eh?

Comment by RottenFishArePeopleToo | 2008-10-06 18:04:33

Wow. Looks like SNL got too close to the truth about soros owning the DNC…and this financial crisis timed so perfectly, eh?

SorosCrats. SortOfCrats. SorryCrats.

 

Comment by Maverick | 2008-10-06 18:14:31

Did Soros get the entire Bail-out money?

 

Comment by Goblintrain | 2008-10-06 18:51:28

Any one have it stored somewhere? This is creepy… what happened?

 
 
 
 

Comment by Galt, Master Thrall of Planet Triskelion, Proprietor of the NQ Popcorn Concession | 2008-10-06 16:24:05

But bringing it up seems to be a tactical error.

Great to see Axelgoebbles make such an error!

Comment by destardi | 2008-10-06 16:26:08

I was considering this exact point.

Bush’s ability to weasel his way through the past several years, amounts to refusing to give airtime to any legitimate beef raised by the media/opposition.

If axelrod had kept his mouth shut, it would slide off uhbama.

Comment by McHope | 2008-10-06 16:57:29

The issue of Obama’s asociations isn’t going away no matter what his surrogates say or do. The more information the general public gets, the more they will want answers.

Comment by Woman Voter | 2008-10-06 17:46:29

Ayers will be joined by Sen. Barack Obama, Senior Lecturer in the Law School….

One hundred years later, the system is “overcrowded, under-funded, over-centralized and racist,” Ayers said.

Michelle Obama, Associate Dean of Student Services and Director of the University Community Service Center, hopes bringing issues like this to campus will open a dialogue between members of the University community and the broader community.

http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/971106/justice.shtml
……………………………………..

How are they going to explain Michelle Obama praising Ayers too? Not to mention the other panelist Barrack Obama!

 

Comment by SBwa | 2008-10-06 21:52:39

The problem is that the information is not coming out. Take Rezko, for example. His sentencing hearing was supposed to take place in a week or two. Now, he’s struck a deal with the prosecutor. He’s gonna “sing” and implicate some politicians, but agreed to do so only if he can do it after the election.

With respect to Ayers, people need to look back at Obama’s time at Columbia University in NY. Ayers was attending a college 4 blocks away, getting his masters degree. Given that nobody at Columbia remembers Obama and that he says he sought out the attention of radicals, I can’t help but think that his friendship with Ayers has its roots in NY.

Then there is his cousin, Raila Odinga. Obama campaigned for him in Kenya. This is a guy who wanted to impose Shari’a law onto Christians.

 
 
 

Comment by Urban Hillbilly | 2008-10-06 16:28:32

Axelrod acts like he didn’t even have a plan for the topic.

Barack’s probably back to practicing for the debate (or he should be).

 

Comment by Jackie | 2008-10-06 16:48:33

Here is the John McCain newsletter sent to me a few hours ago.

For Immediate Release
Contact: Press Office

Monday, October 6, 2008
703-650-5550

IN CASE YOU MISSED IT:
Obama Campaign Now Claims Obama Didn’t Know About Ayers’ Past

“Our Jim Acosta talked with your senior strategist David Axelrod about this. In 1995, William Ayers held kind of a get-to-know you event at his place where he was introducing Barack Obama to the political culture there in Chicago when he was running for the State Senate for the first time. David Axelrod said that at that meeting Senator Obama was not aware of Ayers’ radical background.” — CNN’s John Roberts

CNN’s “American Morning”
October 6, 2008

CNN’s John Roberts: “I just want to try to get to the heart of it so that people at home can understand. Our Jim Acosta talked with your senior strategist David Axelrod about this. In 1995, William Ayers held kind of a get-to-know you event at his place where he was introducing Barack Obama to the political culture there in Chicago when he was running for the State Senate for the first time. David Axelrod said that at that meeting Senator Obama was not aware of Ayers’ radical background. Is that true?”

Obama Senior Strategist Robert Gibbs: “Look, if that’s what David said, that is true. Look, again, this is a relationship, excuse me, that Barack Obama has condemned the actions of Bill Ayers. This is somebody that The New York Times said Barack Obama’s not close to, and, again, John, this is a way of distracting the American people from what’s important.”

Watch The New Obama Campaign Defense

FACT CHECK: Axelrod Has Said Ayers And Obama Are “Certainly Friendly,” And The Obama Campaign Has NEVER BEFORE SAID Obama Didn’t Know Ayers’ Radical And Violent History — But Has Referred To Him As “Respected Advisor” To Chicago Mayor

When Politico First Reported On Obama’s 1995 Meeting At William Ayers’ Home Reportedly Launching His Campaign, The Obama Campaign Never Said He Didn’t Know Ayers’ Radical History. “In 1995, State Senator Alice Palmer introduced her chosen successor, Barack Obama, to a few of the district’s influential liberals at the home of two well known figures on the local left: William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. While Ayers and Dohrn may be thought of in Hyde Park as local activists, they’re better known nationally as two of the most notorious — and unrepentant — figures from the violent fringe of the 1960s anti-war movement. … I can remember being one of a small group of people who came to Bill Ayers’ house to learn that Alice Palmer was stepping down from the senate and running for Congress,’ said Dr. Quentin Young, a prominent Chicago physician and advocate for single-payer health care, of the informal gathering at the home of A yers and his wife, Dohrn. [Palmer] identified [Obama] as her successor.’ Obama’s campaign dismisses the notion that his relationship with Ayers should be seen through the lens of the latter’s violent past, or his present lack of regret for the bombings. … He described Ayers as a professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago and a former aide to Mayor Richard J. Daley,’ referring to printed reports that he had “advised” Daley on school reform. Dr. Young and another guest, Maria Warren, described it similarly: as an introduction to Hyde Park liberals of the handpicked successor to Palmer, a well-regarded figure on the left. When I first met Barack Obama, he was giving a standard, innocuous little talk in the living room of those two legends-in-their-own-minds, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn,’ Warren wrote on her blog in 2005. They were launching him — introducing him to the Hyde Park community as the best thing since sliced bread.’” (Ben Smith, “Obama Once Visited 60s Radicals,” The Politico, 1/22/08)

When Senator Hillary Clinton Made Similar Attack, Obama Campaign NEVER Made Argument That He Didn’t Know About Obama’s Radical And Violent Past. (Obama For America, “Fact Check On Obama And Ayers, factcheck.barackobama.com, 4/17/08)

Obama Campaign Argued That Ayers Was “Respected Advisor” To Chicago Mayor Daley, And That “Charges Against Ayers Were Dropped And He Served No Time.” (Obama For America, “Fact Check On Obama And Ayers, factcheck.barackobama.com, 4/17/08)

Axelrod Has Previously Said Obama And Ayers Are “Certainly Friendly.” AXELROD: “They’re certainly friendly, they know each other, as anyone whose kids go to school together.” (Ben Smith, “Ax On Ayers,” http://www.politico.com, 2/26/08)

Two Years After Meeting Ayers, Obama Published “Rave Review” Of Ayers’ Book In The Chicago Tribune, And Jointly Appeared On Academic Panels Together. “The two men were involved in efforts to reform the city’s education system. They appeared together on academic panels, including one organized by Michelle Obama to discuss the juvenile justice system, an area of mutual concern. Mr. Ayers’s book on the subject won a rave review in The Chicago Tribune by Mr. Obama, who called it a searing and timely account.’” (Jo Becker and Christopher Drew, “Pragmatic Politics, Forged On The South Side,” The New York Times, 5/11/08)

Comment by savage | 2008-10-06 17:21:29

Here is the Barack Obama newsletter sent to me a few hours ago.

Over the weekend, John McCain’s top adviser announced their plan to stop engaging in a debate over the economy and “turn the page” to more direct, personal attacks on Barack Obama.

In the middle of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, they want to change the subject from the central question of this election. Perhaps because the policies McCain supported these past eight years and wants to continue are pretty hard to defend.

But it’s not just McCain’s role in the current crisis that they’re avoiding. The backward economic philosophy and culture of corruption that helped create the current crisis are looking more and more like the other major financial crisis of our time.

During the savings and loan crisis of the late ’80s and early ’90s, McCain’s political favors and aggressive support for deregulation put him at the center of the fall of Lincoln Savings and Loan, one of the largest in the country. More than 23,000 investors lost their savings. Overall, the savings and loan crisis required the federal government to bail out the savings of hundreds of thousands of families and ultimately cost American taxpayers $124 billion.

Sound familiar?

In that crisis, John McCain and his political patron, Charles Keating, played central roles that ultimately landed Keating in jail for fraud and McCain in front of the Senate Ethics Committee. The McCain campaign has tried to avoid talking about the scandal, but with so many parallels to the current crisis, McCain’s Keating history is relevant and voters deserve to know the facts — and see for themselves the pattern of poor judgment by John McCain.

So at noon Eastern on Monday, October 6th, we’re releasing a 13-minute documentary about the scandal called “Keating Economics: John McCain and the Making of a Financial Crisis” — it will be available at KeatingEconomics.com, along with background information that every voter should know.

Watch a preview right now and share it with your friends:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/keatingvideo

The point of the film and the web site is that John McCain still hasn’t learned his lesson.

And this time, McCain’s bankrupt economic philosophy has put our economy at the brink of collapse and put millions of Americans at risk of losing their homes.

Watch the video to see why John McCain’s failed philosophy and poor judgment is a recipe for deepening the crisis:

http://my.barackobama.com/keatingvideo

It’s no wonder John McCain would rather spend the last month of this election smearing Barack’s character instead of talking about the top priority issue for voters.

But if we work together, we can make sure the focus stays on the economy — and how to fix it.

Comment by cathnealon | 2008-10-06 17:38:33

savage
On BO’s newsletter
My grandparents made it through the Great Depression, maybe they stood in soup lines but they did it, they survived and we will too. But I’d rather survive in a free country with a free marketplace, free press, individual rights, state’s rights and adherence to the principles of democracy and the Constitution. Don’t try and scare anybody Barry, it won’t work. There are things worse than a bad economy, like countries that let radicals take over and suddenly all their freedoms are gone.

Comment by Perry Logan | 2008-10-06 17:46:41

There are things worse than a bad economy, like countries that let radicals take over and suddenly all their freedoms are gone.

That happened in 2000, as I recall. And the economy sucked. ;-)

Comment by savage | 2008-10-06 17:58:56

What are you talking about? Real median income was at an all time high!

Comment by Ferd McBerfle | 2008-10-06 18:05:28

This problem has nothing to do with McCain and everything to do with your master, the plastic Jeebus, troll.

Go post your obamalobotobot trash at the nearest hazmat landfill or your own house, whichever is more convenient and leave these discussions to adults.

Comment by RottenFishArePeopleToo | 2008-10-06 18:14:38

Go post your obamalobotobot trash at the nearest hazmat landfill or your own house, whichever is more convenient and leave these discussions to adults.

Or to the nearest convenient parallel dimension.

The kids don’t get it. They fear a draft above all else, so they suppoer Plastic Jaysus because they think he is going to lead them out of the war zone and into the Promised Land.

Stupid, stupid, stupid…and gullible.

Comment by Ferd McBerfle | 2008-10-06 18:26:15

Yes they are. I have never in my life seen such naivete.

 
 
 
 

Comment by jai | 2008-10-06 18:02:03

Obama is so caught up in covering his many lies, he has to time to focus on the economy or anything else. If he is elected, his preoccupation with covering up his lies will continue.

 

Comment by Leisa | 2008-10-06 20:08:59

Perry,

You are acting like the jilted lover with the Democratic Party. I know your reservations, but right now, we have to stand up for the principles of the Democratic Party that attracted us to them in the first place…

Our party is dead with Obama as it’s leader. We watched things we believed in like fair elections, UHC, women’s rights, gay rights and gay marriage, separation of church and government, free speech, and FISA be dismissed because the powers within our party put idea before ideals.

You do not have to support McCain or Obama, but your repeated digs are ineffective because you and I both know that Obama will be worse than the shrub.

Please do some soul searching before you post these pesky things we already know, but are putting on the back burner because we want our party back.

Thanks,

Leisa

 

Comment by cathnealon | 2008-10-06 20:54:03

perry
Do not speak of what you do not know. There are still many of us who have parents and grandparents who emigrated from places like Ukraine, Russia, Germany etc and know what it is like to live under a centralized government, a nationalized economy and a Marxist ideology–do you know that all they lived with is fear and intimidation, indoctrination of their children–your boss espouses and has already practiced all of these. Look at Ayers, Wright and the others, they don’t want to change America for the better, they want to divide people, class against class, race against race this is the beginning of totalitarianism. And your boss has already used the rhetoric of division. The real Jesus of the new testament said “Man does not live by bread alone” and he means that we shouldn’t place material comforts over individual liberty and democratic principles. “Give me liberty or give me death” the revolutionary Patrick Henry knew that economy cannot be placed above freedom.

 
 
 

Comment by Eden | 2008-10-06 17:44:44

“But if we work together, we can make sure the focus stays on the economy — and how to fix it.”

(but we sent you this little film and dissertation about our slanted view of the Keating 5 just in case you aren’t ready to focus yet)

 

Comment by bethtopaz | 2008-10-06 18:22:31

Better call 911 for the Wambulance for poor, little manchild Obama.

Comment by Eden | 2008-10-06 18:43:51

Wouldn’t that be the “Obambulance” (sorry I couldn’t resist, I haven’t heard the I need a bambulance tape for years and it still makes me laugh).

Comment by Eden | 2008-10-06 18:45:29

Just in case you haven’t heard this classic, here ya go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owdv9CG9bo8

 
 
 

Comment by Carol | 2008-10-07 00:57:17

John McCain has said for the last 20 years that this was the biggest mistake of his life. At least he has owned up to his mistake unlike Obama who can’t admit to making any mistakes. Sound familiar?

 
 

Comment by trails | 2008-10-06 18:17:43

Well, IF, and that’s a big If, folks, Obama didn’t know of Ayres background, then he’s too ill informed to be POPTUS. Maybe, the media should have been asking the big O what newspapers he reads.

 
 
 

Comment by jade | 2008-10-06 16:25:02

The dow dropped 800 points today, just a word to the wise…

It’s the economy stupid. If McCain wants to win, be better focus on the economy.

In other sobering news
Public Policy Polling (D)
10/4-5/08; 1,202 LV, 2.8%
Mode: Live Telephone Interviews

North Carolina
Obama 50, McCain 44, Barr 2
Sen: Hagan (D) 49, Dole (R-i) 40, Cole (L) 5

If McCain loses VA, NC, IN, OH OR FL- He lost- McCain has ALOT of work to do…

Comment by SusanUnPC | 2008-10-06 16:31:28

Jade, you posted this twice. Probably by accident. It happens. I’ll erase the second one. - Susan

 

Comment by doc99 | 2008-10-06 16:32:19

Acxtually, the Dow dropped 370 points lower. Trump was on Cavuto, pointing out that oil is now less than $90/ barrel and should go lower, especially if the country would develop a less than schizophrenic energy policy.

Comment by Maverick | 2008-10-06 16:42:26

Which reminds me to remind you, the bailout didn’t make a dent in the problem as we guessed it wouldn’t. The bail-out has not changed the current and long term credit freeze. The radical Dems sold the world to space aliens. 500 Trillion worth of deriviatives were sold and traded in the boom to bust years and countries bamks are flailing. Stock up on beans a rice. Grow a garden.

Comment by RottenFishArePeopleToo | 2008-10-06 17:50:11

The radical Dems sold the world to space aliens.

Well they certainly sold the party to MoveOn.
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/wire/2004/12/09/moveon/index.html

MoveOn to Democratic Party: “we own it”

I wonder how much they sold us out for.

Is it any wonder so many thinking former Dems got the **** off the plantation?

 
 

Comment by Tuppence 411 | 2008-10-06 16:49:50

Oil maybe dropping, but the price per gallon of heating oil sure isn’t. I just filled my tank, it’s getting cold up here and I didn’t want to gamble running out while trying to play the market. Writing that HUGE check was painful. “Sarah the Energy Czarina” can’t come fast enough for me. That is what McCain should do- send her out to battleground northern states and hammer home on energy.

Comment by Jim S | 2008-10-06 17:32:09

South of Boston I just paid $2.99 for gas and heating oil is at $3.19. Going to hold off on oil for a few more days, I figure it might hit $2.80 or so.

Comment by Carol | 2008-10-07 01:22:01

Here in Central Oregon, I paid $3.49/gal for gas today.

 
 
 

Comment by Diana | 2008-10-06 17:04:50

Amazing isn’t it? Gas has dropped 77 dollars a barrel and we’ve gotten a whole 2 cent drop at the pump. What exactly is the gas companies reasonings for this? Think they were making record profits at 167 dollars a barrel, imagine what they’re raking in now with the price gouging. We’re not headed for a Civil War, we’re headed for the French Revolution! ;)

Thank you Susan for the video, after hearing him defend Sarah I kept saying this is the John we need. I’d still like to see even more passion from him. Remember when he got excited at the end of his convention speech, he sent chills. I wanted to stand up and fight with him, stand beside him for America. He showed that same kind of passion for his choice in Sarah when he defended her. He schooled the reporter. That is the John we need. He has his moments. I just wish he had a few more.

Comment by Pennsylvania goes RED! | 2008-10-06 17:09:40

Remember when he got excited at the end of his convention speech, he sent chills.

In case anyone has forgotten:

I’m going to fight for my cause every day as your President. I’m going to fight to make sure every American has every reason to thank God, as I thank Him: that I’m an American, a proud citizen of the greatest country on earth, and with hard work, strong faith and a little courage, great things are always within our reach. Fight with me. Fight with me.
Fight for what’s right for our country.
Fight for the ideals and character of a free people.
Fight for our children’s future.
Fight for justice and opportunity for all.
Stand up to defend our country from its enemies.
Stand up for each other; for beautiful, blessed, bountiful America.
Stand up, stand up, stand up and fight. Nothing is inevitable here. We’re Americans, and we never give up. We never quit. We never hide from history. We make history.
Thank you, and God Bless you
John Mccain RNC 2008

“Stand up to defend our country from its enemies”

Comment by Tuppence 411 | 2008-10-06 17:27:15

The McCain camp needs to make an ad out of this portion of his speech. Play some really moving patriotic music in the background, add moving scenes of Americana. And just hammer it home.

Comment by Diana | 2008-10-06 18:12:53

Thank you Pennsylvania, still amazing. Now that’s what should send chills to every American. It reaches out and grabs you right at the core of your being, because you hear the honesty in his voice when he says it. You feel the love he has for this country and you know he would never do anything to bring her down. He would stive to serve not only her people, but to lift her up.

Total agreement Tuppence! That would make a fantastic campaign ad! We should send that suggestion to the McCain camp.

Comment by AyersAmericasTerrorst | 2008-10-06 19:25:36

can’ we make one? someone get the music, someone get the images, someone splice it together and tack it up? Make a video to his speech, with some of the cheering being heard over the music. Sounds positive and good!

Comment by AyersAmericasTerrorst | 2008-10-06 19:26:49

use pics of ayers, dohrn, klalid and rezko as enemies.. ect

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-06 16:33:39

The Dow drop is reflective of the underlying economic fears. And it’s fears.

There will be a good solid core of American stock companies which are actually unrelated to this mess and doing OK. They won’t be fancy returns, but it will calm the market down.

The DOW was bound to adjust. Frankly, over 10,000 is inflated.

Comment by stodghie | 2008-10-06 18:59:33

yeah and i notice that the poster doesn’t mean the dow made up for part of the loss as well. dang it is so much fun to run around scaring the shix out of everyone with promises of obambi fixing it. hell obambi even get his own home purchased by himself. anyone who didn’t think that there would be continued mayhem today after the world reaction, they are just plain out of it.

i hope to see the end of the fear down the road. but under no circumstances will i vote for obama. i know who headed freddie and fannie mae. democrats and i know who let them run amuck democrats just like they did bush.

Comment by SJ | 2008-10-06 19:28:35

Maybe the dow is dropping the markets are reacting that way because of fear that Obama may become POTUS, has anyone taken a look at things from that angle?

 
 
 

Comment by fif | 2008-10-06 16:36:59

FYI: Kerry was ahead in all the polls for the battleground states in 2004. There’s a month to go and the polls are weighted. The truth will be known on Nov. 4th. That’s the only poll that matters.

Comment by Maverick | 2008-10-06 16:45:10

Kerry didn’t pay the poll owners to poll in his favor either like con man did. I saw it on TV after the primaries. Barfy paid them off.

Comment by etc. | 2008-10-06 19:35:01

what? Any chance you have a link proving he paid the pollsters? I’d love to pass that around

 
 

Comment by Diana | 2008-10-06 17:08:42

Even the exit polls had Kerry winning by a landslide and not a small one…

 

Comment by Dale | 2008-10-06 17:33:48

Wrong.

What state would like the numbers from? I can show the RCP averages that show otherwise…

Here are the Sept/Oct overall numbers from 2004: Bush held a 5-8 pts lead through most of Sept, Kerry cut it to 2-3 in Oct (with a few outliers showing him up 1-2 pts), but it was almost all red:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry.html

Here are the battleground polls from 2004:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry_sbys.html#oh

Sooo… try again - Obama is doing better than BUSH was doing at this point in 2004, to say nothing of Kerry.

Comment by RottenFishArePeopleToo | 2008-10-06 17:54:31

Sooo… try again - Obama is doing better than BUSH was doing at this point in 2004, to say nothing of Kerry.

Yet another way the two are the same!

Thanks!

 

Comment by Diana | 2008-10-06 18:38:27

Google exit polls 2004. Then google hand recount 2004. Feast your eyes on why the recount was stopped. Then google ACORN 2004. Then go to one of the archived web sites that stores past polls, articles, not what they have posted now. You’re the one that is wrong. Then take a gander at the link I posted above 67 more electoral votes on Nov 1, then Bush. Take a look at how blue that map is compared to Obama’s.

 
 

Comment by vdavisson | 2008-10-06 19:10:42

Don’t listen to the bogus generic polls! Offer to make calls or walk your precinct! Polls are designed to discourage the supporters on the down side. Call the R headquarters nearby and offer to help! Make sure you register to vote in time, too!!

Comment by meileen | 2008-10-06 22:08:05

See, and the way I’m looking at it is quite the opposite. Obama’s campaign is counting on the youngins, and my hunch is they will believe he is so ahead in the polls that they don’t have to show up to vote. And I look forward to their tears on November 5th.

 
 
 

Comment by Duras | 2008-10-06 16:41:02

I think it’s too late, Jade. I love McCain, but I don’t think that there’s any way that he can overcome the combination of the American people’s disenchantment with George Bush AND these calamitous headlines of economic doom & gloom that now dominate the newspapers and the airwaves.

Two weeks ago, McCain/Palin were in good shape. And then the roof fell in on Wall Street and, by extension, on their campaign as well. The timing of all this couldn’t have been any better for Obama.

Comment by Shiloh | 2008-10-06 16:42:02

You’re an idiot to think we can’t smell your bot stench!

Comment by countryfirst_obamanever | 2008-10-06 17:07:35

 
 

Comment by Maverick | 2008-10-06 16:47:52

What is wrong with you that you can’t see how bad SoetorObama is for your future? It’s your future! Oh, I forgot. You don’t reeally mean it. You are just blogging for a paycheck.

 

Comment by Jackie | 2008-10-06 16:55:37

He can in you will talk about what a solid man he is and how he can lead in times of uncertainty.

He is a fiscal conservative and that will bring confidence back to the markets. (European Bankers are praying for a McCain Victory because an Obama one will cause a loss of faith inthe US dollar)

Comment by Pennsylvania goes RED! | 2008-10-06 17:00:37

 
 

Comment by Perry Logan | 2008-10-06 17:53:47

Here’s a very simple timeline:

2000 - Republicans steal the Presidential election and achieve control over all three branches of government. For the next six years, they apply their crackpot economic policies and do their best to tear down the New Deal.

2008 - America teeters on the brink of the Second Great Depression.

Coincidence? Only to a Republican. ;-)

Comment by Pat | 2008-10-06 19:39:32

You left out the part about the economy being good until 2006 and then it started faltering until it is where it is now-AND THE DEMOCRATS GOT THE MAJORITY IN CONGRESS AS OF 2006. The Repubs have certainly made their mistakes but it was the Dems that put the economy into a tailspin and , if Obama is elected, that tailspin will be a CRASH!!

Comment by Carol | 2008-10-07 01:27:12

That is so very true Pat.

 
 
 

Comment by RottenFishArePeopleToo | 2008-10-06 17:57:17

Here’s what I can’t fathom, Duras.

At a time like this, we don’t need Amateur Hour at the White House.

 

Comment by stodghie | 2008-10-06 19:01:15

duras, you are a liar about loving mccain or you wouldn’t most such crap.

 

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-06 19:45:18

oh nonsense……take a gander at today’s polls. *hehe

 
 

Comment by lusitania | 2008-10-06 16:43:33

In NC doesnt Obama always poll higher than he actually does?

Comment by Tuppence 411 | 2008-10-06 17:41:05

I have got to find a You Tube clip of Tina Fey’s on 30 Rock last season saying: ” I tell all my friends I am voting for Obama, but secretly I’m voting for McCain”

 
 

Comment by Mountain Girl | 2008-10-06 17:27:01

PPH polling is in the bag for Obama; they have been since the primaries. They poll more AA’s than in the population as a whole.

 

Comment by savage | 2008-10-06 17:29:48

it makes you wonder , why now are they focusing on guilt by association tactics?

like you said:

“It’s the economy stupid”

Comment by Tuppence 411 | 2008-10-06 17:43:10

“It’s the corrupt economy stupid” and Oblowme is up to his eyeballs in it!

 
 

Comment by Carol | 2008-10-07 01:16:49

Uh, Jade I hate to point this out, but the Dems pushed this bailout through with a few Republicans that were afraid of losing their re-election. I can still see Deer Caught in the Headlights Pelosi with her grinning Dem minions rushing out and announcing that the bailout bill had passed the House and was being rushed up to Bush for signing. I even heard that the Dems are praising Obama the Great for getting this done. Sooooo, I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but this boondoggle of a bailout is all on the Democrats’ shoulders.

For this election season, I am not a Democrat. I will help take my party back from you ultra ultra left liberals after this is all said and done.

 
 

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-06 16:25:20

I think mac is just stirring the pot until the debate. Frankly, it’s a relief for most people to worry over this instead of flipping out over the stock market.

 

Comment by jade | 2008-10-06 16:25:20

The dow dropped 800 points today, just a word to the wise…

It’s the economy stupid. If McCain wants to win, he better focus on the economy.

In other sobering news
Public Policy Polling (D)
10/4-5/08; 1,202 LV, 2.8%
Mode: Live Telephone Interviews

North Carolina
Obama 50, McCain 44, Barr 2
Sen: Hagan (D) 49, Dole (R-i) 40, Cole (L) 5

If McCain loses VA, NC, IN, OH OR FL- He lost- McCain has ALOT of work to do…

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-06 16:26:55

He is preparing for Tuesday. I presume he has a very strong and bold economic message coming, which is a benefit.

O is in “maintain the status quo” stage.

Comment by FranSC | 2008-10-06 17:50:02

I don’t think historical voting patterns fit this time. A “throw the rascals out” mentality might work for a main-stream candidate on the opposing side, but in the end, I don’t see how this works for Obama - he came out of no where, with no long standing reliable record, has had questionable major figures in his life, along with a secret past that he thinks is irrelevant.

Once the stock market settles down I think the polls will go back to where they were before. It makes no sense to hand the crisis over to a neophyte who you know does not have a clue as to where to start.

 
 

Comment by Goblintrain | 2008-10-06 16:33:21

? What did Obama ever do for the economy other than promise to raise taxes, & increase govt spending exponentially.

 

Comment by Soldier of Christ | 2008-10-06 16:36:45

So you are saying out of millions of people- 1200 individuals really tell us what is going on in those states? Hummmm……the 1200 doesn’t speak for the rednecks in North Carolina, child. Or even the enormous grassroots……..

Comment by FranSC | 2008-10-06 18:07:51

Not only that, but it is a virtual impossibility for Obama to carry NC. It does not matter that 40% of the democratic primary voters were AA who voted 90% for him. Nor does it matter that the other 16% of the vote he got came from students and young professionals.

As I keep saying, the republican on-slaught in that state is unnerving to any democrat who has witnessed many great democratic candidates go down to defeat there in the general election. For Obama to be the exception would indeed be a sea change.

 
 
 

Comment by Urban Hillbilly | 2008-10-06 16:25:27

I would appreciate it if MSM would investigate the facts of Ayers and Obama’s relationship.

Comment by lusitania | 2008-10-06 16:48:10

They are not investigating it in the right way. They need to be focusing on Ayers redical views regarding education and Obamas support of those radical views. I’ve said this before here.

“If Obama is elected, how can we be sure he won’t appoint Ayers as Secretary of Education”. And with Obama serving up so much Koolaid there in the White House and Congress’ commissary who is gto say he won’t get the nod.

God help us if he is elected.

 
 

Comment by Objective analysis | 2008-10-06 16:26:25

TI says “Bring em out, bring em out” I guess the 527 ad with Ayers is going to come that Obama is trying to have the DOJ block?

PUMA 2008!

 

Comment by kcfromtx | 2008-10-06 16:26:41

So now the story becomes, What did barky know and when did he know it?

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-06 16:31:37

It was a pretty lame response, for sure. It must be bad.

HuffPo is banning all dissenting voices right now. :)

Comment by Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright | 2008-10-06 21:08:30

who the hell reads Huffingonhopetoilet.com comments sections except the left wing goosestepping Ohitler heads anyway.

seriously.

 
 

Comment by Thinker | 2008-10-06 16:32:29

pretty much.

First he says Ayers is a guy in his neighborhood, now they are sa