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When It Comes to Ayers, It is Participation that Matters

Barack Obama is a liar. Plain and simple. When he was asked about William Ayers, unrepentant terrorist, in an April Democratic debate this year, he said:

George, but this is an example of what I’m talking about. This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who’s a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He’s not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.

And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn’t make much sense, George.

But we now know that is not true. Obama tries to create the impression that his contact with Ayers was incidental and there was no meaningful contact. He persists with this myth in yesterday’s interview with Charlie Gibson:

This is not a case of two guys sitting in two adjacent cars in a traffic jam with their windows down who just strike up a conversation and chat about the snarled traffic. That is an incidental association. A serendipitous crossing of paths but no lasting relationship. Nope! When it comes to Obama and Ayers they spent time sitting in the same car while working together on a common project heading to the same destination. That ain’t association, that is a relationship of some depth.

Let’s take a different look at this. Assume, for the sake of argument, that Bill Ayers had been a guard at Auschwitz as a young man.

Let’s assume that, like several former Nazi concentration camp guards who made their way surreptitiously to the United States, Ayers concealed his past activities and became a model citizen. Would his past actions matter? Nazi hunters such as Elie Wiesel and the late Simon Wiesenthal are on the record insisting that past actions do matter. Here is Wiesel commenting on moral indifference.

Bill Ayers did not commit crimes on par with the holocaust, but if we accept as true the teaching of the Talmud, the number of victims murdered by the Weathermen, a group led by Ayers, is irrelevant morally. According to the Talmud:

“FOR THIS REASON WAS MAN CREATED ALONE, TO TEACH THEE THAT WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL… SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL…, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD.”

Which brings us back to Barack. He is not responsible for Ayers’ actions in the sixties. But he is responsible for choosing to work for, work with, and solicit political support from Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn.

The media continues to misstate the nature of their business relationship. Bill Ayers was the key organizer and driving force in establishing the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. He was intimately involved in creating and sustaining its operations. Barack Obama was selected–WITH AYERS ASSENT–to be the Chairman of the Board of Directors. Obama now wants people to believe that he, as Chairman of the Board, had no significant interaction with the de facto head of the CAC, Bill Ayers, during his four years heading up the board. This defies logic and common sense.

Barack continues to skirt the issue of when he first became aware that Bill Ayers was an unrepentant terrorist. Ayers certainly did not hide the matter. He has been on the record with this multiple times, including his now infamous interview published in the NY Times on September 11, 2001.

This is not guilt by association. This is guilt because of continued participation. And Barack continues to lie about the nature of the relationship.

The McCain campaign obviously has been reading our blog. They put out this comprehensive summary of Obama’s prevarications and slipperiness:

THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN’S EVER-DEVELOPING AYERS STORY

Since Monday, The Obama Campaign Has Had Six (6) Distinct Stories About Barack Obama’s Relationship With Bill Ayers:

· STORY #1: David Axelrod And Robert Gibbs Said For The First Time That Barack Obama Did Not Know About Bill Ayers’ Past When Ayers Held A Coffee For Obama In 1995

· STORY #2: Obama Senior Adviser Robert Gibbs Said He Didn’t Know The “Details” Of Ayers’ Relationship

· STORY #3: Obama Spokesman Bill Burton Said That Barack Obama Did Not Launch His Political Career At Ayers’ House And Didn’t Write A Blurb For An Ayers’ Book.

· STORY #4: David Axelrod Confirmed That Barack Obama Knew About Ayers’ Past After Their Initial Meetings; Contradicted Earlier Story And Said “No One Is Suggesting That He Never Knew”

· STORY #5: Obama Senior Adviser Anita Dunn Says When Barack Obama Went To Ayers’ House, He Was Merely Attending A Meeting Of State Senator Alice Palmer’s Supporters – A Statement Contradicted By Palmer

· STORY #6: Obama Senior Adviser Robert Gibbs Says After Barack Obama Knew About Ayers’ Past He Continued To Associated With Bill Ayers

· STORY #7: On ABC’s “World News Tonight,” Barack Obama Said He Only Ever Talked With Bill Ayers About School Reform Issues

STORY #1: David Axelrod And Robert Gibbs Said For The First Time That Barack Obama Did Not Know About Bill Ayers’ Past When Ayers Held A Coffee For Obama In 1995

Obama Senior Strategist David Axelrod Said Barack Obama Did Not Know About William Ayers’ History When He Hosted A Coffee For Obama In 1995. ACOSTA: “Now a college professor in Chicago, Ayers and Obama served together several years on a nonprofit board. And in 1995, Ayers hosted a coffee for Obama when the young community organizer was making his first run for the state Senate. At this point looking back, should he not have done that, do you think?” DAVID AXELROD, OBAMA CAMPAIGN CHIEF STRATEGIST: “Well, I mean, when he went, he certainly, he didn’t know the history.” (CNN’s “American Morning,” 10/6/08)

· Axelrod Said “There’s No Evidence That They’re Close.” ACOSTA: “The Democratic nominee’s chief strategist, David Axelrod, maintains Obama at that time had no idea about Ayers’ violent past.” AXELROD: “There’s no evidence that they’re close. There’s no evidence that Obama in any way subscribed to any of Ayers’ views. And Obama has been very clear about condemning the despicable acts that Bill Ayers committed 40 years ago when Obama was 8 years old.” (CNN’s “American Morning,” 10/6/08)

Obama Senior Adviser Robert Gibbs Said That If David Axelrod Said Barack Obama Didn’t Know About Ayers’ Past When He First Met Him Then That Is True. CNN’s JOHN ROBERTS “In 1995 William Ayers held a kind of get to know you event at his place where he was introducing Barack Obama to the political culture there in Chicago when he was running for the state Senate for the first time. David Axelrod said that at that meeting Senator Obama was not aware of Ayers’ radical background. Is that true?” GIBBS: “Look, if that’s what David said, that is true. Look, again, this is a relationship, excuse me, that Barack Obama has condemned the actions of Bill Ayers. This is somebody that ‘The New York Times’ said that Barack Obama’s not close to, and, again, John, this is a way of distracting the American people from what’s important.” (CNN’s “American Morning,” 10/6/08)

FLASHBACK: When Senator Hillary Clinton Made Similar Attack, Obama Campaign NEVER Made Argument That He Didn’t Know About Obama’s Radical And Violent Past. (Obama For America, “Fact Check On Obama And Ayers, factcheck.barackobama.com, 4/17/08)

STORY #2: Obama Senior Adviser Robert Gibbs Said He Didn’t Know The “Details” Of Ayers’ Relationship

Gibbs Said He Didn’t Know About All The Details Of The Ayers’ Relationship. FOX NEWS’ GRETCHEN CARLSON: “But Robert, let me ask you this because as time goes on here, there seemed to be more ties between Barack Obama and Bill Ayers, for example, he wrote the foreword or a blurb at least for Bill Ayers’ book. If you don’t know somebody very well, do you participate in their book?” GIBBS: “Look, I don’t know all the details of this. I know what I read in the newspapers, and I know what I’ve seen throughout any number of publications that looked at this this weekend.” (FOX News’ “Fox & Friends,” 10/7/08)

STORY #3: Obama Spokesman Bill Burton Said That Barack Obama Did Not Launch His Political Career At Ayers’ House And Didn’t Write A Blurb For An Ayers’ Book.

Obama Spokesman Bill Burton Said Barack Obama Did Not Launch His Political Career At Ayers’ House And Didn’t Write A Blurb For An Ayers’ Book. FOX NEWS’ MEGYN KELLY: “I want you give you the chance to set the record straight with the Obama campaign is concerned, because they want to know about this. They cite the fact is they served together on this board, the Woods Fund, which was a community group for several years. That Barack Obama chaired this group, the Annenberg Challenge, that Ayers founded. That Barack Obama wrote a blurb for Ayers’ book. That they appeared together on several academic panels. That Barack Obama kicked off his political career in Ayers’ Chicago home in 1995. These are the things they cite to us saying these two seem awfully chummy, why shouldn’t we care?” BILL BURTON: “Ok, well let me say a couple of things. You already know my point about the McCain campaign purposely trying to distract from the economy because they know they lose when they talk about it. But on the facts, since you asked, as The New York Times sent an investigative reporter to take a hard look at Barack Obama and Bill Ayers’ path have some crossed over the course 15 years or so that Barack has been in Chicago. He did not launch his career from Bill Ayers’ home. He did not write a blurb for Bill Ayers’ book.” (FOX News’ “Live,” 10/7/08)

FLASHBACK: In 1997, Barack Obama Wrote A Review Of Bill Ayers Book. “Barack Obama State senator … A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court by William Ayers (Beacon Press) …’A searing and timely account of the juvenile court system, and the courageous individuals who rescue hope from despair.’” (Chicago Tribune, 12/21/97)

STORY #4: David Axelrod Confirmed That Barack Obama Knew About Ayers’ Past After Their Initial Meetings; Contradicted Earlier Story And Said “No One Is Suggesting That He Never Knew”

David Axelrod Said That Barack Obama Learned About Bill Ayers’ Past After Their First Meetings. “So when did Obama learn of Ayers’ past? ‘It was sometime after their first meetings, you know, he became aware of that,’ David Axelrod, Obama’s chief campaign strategist, said on board the Obama campaign plane from Asheville, N.C. to Nashville for tonight’s debate. ‘I don’t know the exact moment.’” (John McCormick, “William Ayers’ Past Was Unknown: Obama,” Chicago Tribune’s “Swamp” Blog, http://www.swamppolitics.com, Posted 10/7/08)

· Axelrod Said That Barack Obama Became Aware Of Ayers’ Past After The 1995 Reception That Ayers Held For Obama. “Did Obama know of Ayers’ history before or after the event, a small reception for Obama’s state Senate campaign, in 1995 at Ayers’ home? ‘My understanding was that he, when he went there, he did not know, so I would say after,’ Axelrod said — confirming that he has asked Obama about this. ‘Yes, yeah.’” (John McCormick, “William Ayers’ Past Was Unknown: Obama,” Chicago Tribune’s “Swamp” Blog, http://www.swamppolitics.com, Posted 10/7/08)

Axelrod: “No One Is Suggesting That He Never Knew.” “‘No one is suggesting that he never knew,’ Axelrod notes of Obama, who has since repudiated Ayers’ protest tactics. ‘I mean that’s not, we weren’t offering that.’” (John McCormick, “William Ayers’ Past Was Unknown: Obama,” Chicago Tribune’s “Swamp” Blog, http://www.swamppolitics.com, Posted 10/7/08)

STORY #5: Obama Senior Adviser Anita Dunn Says When Barack Obama Went To Ayers’ House, He Was Merely Attending A Meeting Of State Senator Alice Palmer’s Supporters – A Statement Contradicted By Palmer

Obama Senior Adviser Anita Dunn: “A Democratic state senator organizes a meeting of her supporters at the house of another one of her supporters. What is the problem here, Drew? It is the worst kind of inference and the worst kind of politics to say that somehow that says something about Barack Obama.” (CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360,” 10/6/08)

CNN’s Drew Griffin: “Number One, Former Senator Alice Palmer Says She In No Way Organized This Meeting And She Was Invited And Attended It Briefly.” “Anderson, this meeting at Bill Ayers home has been classified in many different ways. What I can tell you from the two people who were actually there, is number one, former Senator Alice Palmer says she, in no way organized this meeting and she was invited and attended it briefly. And Doctor Quentin Young, a retired doctor, told us this indeed was Barack Obama’s political coming out party and it was hosted by Bill Ayers.” (CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360,” 10/6/08)

STORY #6: Obama Senior Adviser Robert Gibbs Says After Barack Obama Knew About Ayers’ Past He Continued To Associated With Bill Ayers

Robert Gibbs: “Yes” Barack Obama Continued To Associate Himself With Bill Ayers After He Found Out About His Past. TIME’S MARK HALPERIN: “Is it fair to say that [Barack Obama] continued to associate with [Bill Ayers] professionally – and personally on a casual basis – even after he learned?” GIBBS: “He continued to serve on a charitable board and an educational grant board with money supplied by Walter Annenberg, a Republican who was an ambassador under Richard Nixon. Yes.” HALPERIN: “But with the knowledge of Ayers’ past?” GIBBS: “Yes.” (Time’s “The Page,” 10/7/08)

STORY #7: On ABC’s “World News Tonight,” Barack Obama Said He Only Ever Talked With Bill Ayers About School Reform Issues

Barack Obama: “And We Served On A School Reform Board Together … And So I Talked To Him About School Reform Issues.” ABC’S CHARLIE GIBSON: “Are you going to have to address that again? How are you going to explain it? Have you had a continuing connection with it? And why didn’t you just cut it off once and for all once when you knew?” OBAMA: “Why don’t we just clear it up right now. I’ll repeat again what I’ve said many times. This is a guy who engaged in some despicable acts 40 years ago when I was eight years old. By the time I met him, 10 or 15 years ago, he was a college professor of education at the University of Illinois. And we served on a school reform board together, by the way, that was funded by Walter Annenberg, who had been an ambassador and close friend of Ronald Reagan. And so I have talked to him about school reform issues. And the notion that somehow he has been involved in my campaign, that he is an adviser of mine, that he — I’ve palled around with a terrorist, all these statements are made simply to try to score cheap political points.” (ABC’s “World News Tonight,” 10/8/08)

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Comment by Tricia | 2008-10-09 20:22:47

WOW McCain ad on they just played on FOX nails on Ayers

Comment by Newly Independent | 2008-10-09 21:15:19

Look at what some women-hating Obama scumbag did:

http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/10/09/milk/#comments

 

Comment by Dawnelle | 2008-10-09 21:27:10

LOL OMG Larry my head is spinning with that list of WORMS!

God Almighty the weight of all that has slid off the wall known as the CHANGLING and has (honestly) transformed space and time. Alternate Universes.

Something HAD to (by the laws of physics alone) finally STICK!!!

Gravity would prevail! BUT what a LIST!! Wow!
I hope it’s not too late and we’re all not past the event horizon of this black hole known as the 08 election.

(that huge sucking noise we hear is all the paper money we just tossed over board to try to salvage our souls)

ya think it will work?
PA!

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-10 06:37:42

Agree with you Dawnelle…At this point NQ could start a Barky WORM Farm…Great article Larry. NQ Rocks!

DIC MIHI SOLUM FACTA…DOMINA!
Just the facts….Ma’am….

COUNTRY FIRST!

Comment by Dawnelle | 2008-10-10 08:07:02

lol @ worm farm

PERFECT idea!!

 
 

Comment by beebop | 2008-10-10 08:10:09

That is what happens when you tell a never ending circle of LIES. Why not just the truth? Becuase voters wouldn’t be able to accept the truth. Fact.

 
 
 

Comment by Rtn45 | 2008-10-09 20:24:48

[Administrator: Begone with you.]

Comment by PhxNickD | 2008-10-09 21:04:53

Even if he wins the election he will never be my president.

 

Comment by Newly Independent | 2008-10-09 21:11:04

Careful “rtn45″ - your delusion is showing.

 

Comment by SJ | 2008-10-09 21:12:38

President Obama my ass, I will never accept that man as POTUS

 

Comment by Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright | 2008-10-09 21:14:45

Don’t count your Acorns Chickens before they come home to roost.

 

Comment by The Robot | 2008-10-09 21:32:09

With what glee they support the socialist fraud Obama!

 

Comment by Firefly | 2008-10-09 21:34:14

Awwwww, poor widdle trollie trollie trollie! After sitting and picking your butt for HOURS and HOURS, waiting to pounce and scream FIRST on the thread, you just couldn’t make the grade - another failure on the hopey-changey express. No 7 bucks for you…

 
 

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-10-09 20:28:33

“When the Messiah speaks the youth will hear”

Farrakan today

Comment by breeze | 2008-10-09 20:31:09

Something is awfully wrong here:

MARY MATLIN IS MAKING SENSE TO ME!!!

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-10-09 20:37:52

I have had friends who I have not talked to for a year be completely bowled over by the fact that I have done a 180 on all my views.
What they find most striking is that I’m giving NO Quarter to any of them when it comes to by beliefs.

God save America!

McCain/Palin

Comment by The Robot | 2008-10-09 21:29:12

Yes, the advent of the fraud Obama is having this kind of effect on many people - I count myself among them.

 

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-09 22:50:01

Ditto for me. But once you start looking, the corruption within the Democratic Party is clearly as deep as within the Republican Party.

I don’t like any of them.

 
 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-10 07:08:01

We the american people have been manipulated by MSM for decades as they focused on extreme wings of the parties…The truth is we have much in common and it is the so called wedge issues that are used to devide us.
I for one an gettin tired of it. Tired of Republican hate vs. Democrat Hate….And damn tired of Self Interest trumping the interests of Country and The Public.
It seems as if most of my adult life it has boiled down to these conflicts…

Black vs. White
Women vs. Men
Gay vs. Straight
Peaceniks vs. Soldiers
Christians vs. Everybody
Labor vs. Management
Patriots vs. Commies
Conservatives vs. Liberals ( Atheist Commies )
Rich vs. Poor
Citizens vs. Immigrants

This is an incomplete list of course but since I was born in 1960….this seems to pretty much sum up most of the crap that I have seen the media and the extreme wings of either party focus on…

The only time in my memory when we had a break was when we had centrists of either party in office.

McCain seems to be a centrist type Republican…Kinda like the Clintons were Centrist type Democrats…One thing is sure…
America needs a Break from the extremist factions and their agenda…Aaaaand the evidence is clear that Barky is NOT a Force of UNITY but only DIVISION…Things will get worse with Barky….

Here’s a new Latin Motto for Barky to put on his fake seal for his upcoming fake address to the Nation…

NON PLAUDITE…MODO PECUNIAM JACITE!
DON’T APPLAUD…JUST THROW MONEY!

 
 
 

Comment by typewriterstreaming | 2008-10-09 20:31:19

Now Oblowme is saying “I thought he was rehabilitated” from Politico. What a freaking liar, liar, how long did it take for you to come up with that your pants are on fire.

Comment by Mary | 2008-10-10 06:55:07

Obama’s story changes from day to day, eh?

But at least we DO know that when he said, “he’s just some guy who lives in my neighborhood,” in the debate with HIllary, he was CLEARLY lying and hoping he could get away with it.

I think we need a “special comment” from Keith Olbermann denouncing Obama for his dishonesty and poor judgement.

But don’t hold your breath. LOL

 
 

Comment by John | 2008-10-09 20:34:02

This is a fantastic post. Obama is a liar. Plain and simple. And a man who lies about cavorting with terrorists.

Comment by suzanne | 2008-10-09 22:23:20

This is so incredible i find it hard to fathom that you all continue to run with this crap! I happen to know Bill Ayers….he comes to a foundation located across the hall from the co i work for in chicago…he is NOT a terrorist. Quite the contrary, he is respected and known and acknowledged by HUNDREDS if not thousands of people in the field of education, not just in Chicago but worldwide. He was selected as educator of the year - he teaches at a renown university and advises the mayor of Chicago. So the entire city is full of crooks and terrorists?? I think not. you are all sounding like the typical uneducated, ill-informed, narrow-minded prejudiced dolts that you probably are. you are the reason this country is laughed at world-wide….typical stupid insular americans. You truly should be ashamed of yourselves. and Larry, I will ask again…where are the whitey tapes?????

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-09 22:44:50

I think you are missing the entire point.

The point is: Obama lies to the public.

Comment by Scout | 2008-10-10 00:01:06

That’s right. Over and over and over again.

That’s the problem, Ann; you nailed it.

Comment by beebop | 2008-10-10 08:13:41

Actually, for the most part, he has his SURROGATES lie.

 
 
 

Comment by NoBamaNoWay | 2008-10-10 03:49:21

if a person can be a bona fide, bomb-setting, america-hating terrorist and be “respected” in academia in chicago, then that is one messed up place, and i don’t want our next president coming from there.

 

Comment by ritamary | 2008-10-10 07:04:47

I don’t know about the city of Chicago being filled with terrorists, but it certainly is filled with crooks. Isn’t there a revolving door there between holding political office and going to jail? My dad grew up in the same South Side neighborhood as the first Mayor Daley. Daley and friends called themselves a social club but were more like a street gang, according to my dad.

Comment by Mary | 2008-10-10 07:50:28

A “social club?”

Isn’t that exactly what the Mafia called themselves?

Jeez.

 
 

Comment by No Obama for me | 2008-10-10 10:03:05

Suzanne,

You should be ashamed of yourself for supporting a man, if you can call Obama that but for supporting someone who will sell our country out to the terrorists in the world and George Soros.
When you say Bill Ayers is not a terrorist, you are delusional.
I for one would like to see the Admin people delete your post and ban you from posting here.
You are a disgusting piece of shit.

 
 
 

Comment by trails | 2008-10-09 20:34:21

Obama is so disingenuous. The Hyde Park community, home to the University of Chicago, is innately proud of its history of radicalism. It’s a badge of honor there. For Ayers’ Weatherman history to be unknown to Obama is beyond credulity.

Plus, as I’ve said before, If Obama truly were unaware, such a lack of intelligence would automatically prove him unqualified to be POTUS. Maybe the press should be asking Obama what newspapers he reads!

Comment by Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright | 2008-10-09 21:46:28

H E - L I E D ! ! !

Sarah Palin already pointed out to Greta that even she knew about ayers up in alaska and scoffed that Obama didnt know about the Weather Underground:

Here watch! The Ayers part Starts at 1:54

PALIN ON AYERS ON GRETA

GRETA: Lets talk about Bill Ayers and you have been going after Senator Obama pretty aggresively recently, uh is that your job?

SARACUDA: “This association is pretty significant, and its kind of telling about someones judgement that they would be working with associated with a Domestic Terrorist who had you know campaigned to bomb the US capital and our pentagon? and this is an unrepentant terrorist thats the scary part!

GRETA: I think he said he was unaware (of ayer’s bomb happy history) when he first met him, do you give him a pass on that?

SARACUDA: Nnnnnnnnnnno, its hard to believe that someone wouldn’t have known Bill Ayers who I’ve known of BIll Ayers way up there in the North what the association was…No, and I think the significance here Greta is truthfulness, and judgement and maybe how that is reflected in other issues and other policy calls, thats where the association there and discussing it I don’t think its off limits.

YOU BETCHA!!!!

Its a great interview and you can find all 4 or five parts there at the link

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-09 22:37:55

He feigns stupidity regularly. The press has allowed those answers to stand.

Hillary couldn’t get them to even consider it. Now, McCain is saying the obvious.

It’s been so non-adult-like with Obama. Very disturbing to adults.

 

Comment by slobodaneee | 2008-10-09 23:56:22

If you believe PUMA Princess Palin knew of Ayers when she was in Alaska you probably believe she is qualified to step in immediately if McCain dies suddenly in office! Palin does know a thing or two about extremists though. She is married to a man that was part of the AIP, a radical breakaway group. AIP’s founder said some highly disloyal things about the US. But what the hell, the market is tanking and McCain is out of hair-brained ideas. As for Larry Johnson accusing anyone about lying, where is the whitey tape! Larry, if you and your repub cronies can’t produce it now, it didn’t exist. Will you be man enough to apologize for being a false rumor monger? Probably not, but it is worth asking.

Comment by Mary | 2008-10-10 06:59:48

Oh for God’s sake, slob.

Anyone over 40 years old knows who Bill Ayers and the Weathermen were.

I’m sorry you and yours are so under-informed, but the rest of us are not accountable for your naivete.

Go away, dipstick.

 

Comment by ritamary | 2008-10-10 07:08:53

Anyone who has any acquaintance with the radical left in the 1960s know who the Weathermen are. Maybe living in your mom’s basement for so long has stunted your intellectual growth.

 

Comment by No Obama for me | 2008-10-10 10:06:09

slobodanee,

You and Suzanne should join each other or go over to Daily Kos or Salon to spew your vile hatred and delusional lies. We don’t want you on this forum.

 
 
 
 

Comment by misfit | 2008-10-09 20:35:52

Obama as President is a roll of the dice with respect foreign policy. For example, what type of expectations will Muslim leaders have of President Obama? We know that Quaddafi has supported Obama (based on the fact that his father was Muslim). We know that Quaddafi says he has contributed to Obama’s campaign. What will he expect him to do as President?

Further, Obama was raised in Indonesia–how will this impact our relations with Indonesia and other regional countries?

It seems that there is a conspiracy of silence by the MSM about even asking questions of this type. Isn’t it legitimate to raise such questions?

Comment by Newly Independent | 2008-10-09 21:17:47

Obama as President is a roll of the dice with respect foreign policy.

Don’t worry. An Obama presidency is not going to happen.

 

Comment by jvsp | 2008-10-09 21:18:19

Obama has many, MANY fellow travelers (after all, there are plenty of people who HATE America other than Obama). However, amongst all his minions jockeying for position and the speculation over who is using whom, Obama bides his time as a Trojan Horse. taqiyya is the word.

 
 

Comment by Pinknose | 2008-10-09 20:38:23

I have been telling everyone i know we need to do just one thing, and that is call all MSM outlets and demand they ASK OBAMA WHY HE IS FIGHTING A LAWSUIT to show his “vaulted birth certificate” Look if he cannot produce it, that is game over and everything else is just part of this Perfect Storm gathering to explode.We all have to become ACTIVE NOW to make our voices heard before this fraud makes his way into the Oval Office. This is of the utmost urgency and I for one can no longer just sit online reading more proof this man is the biggest political fraud our country has ever witnessed. GET GOING AND GET CALLING. And ask to speak to a “live” person not voicemail! CBS 212 975-4321 CNN 404 827-1500
MSNBC 212 664-3499 FOX ALREADY KNOWS SO NO NEED TO CALL THEM LOL

Comment by Illinois_gal | 2008-10-09 21:02:45

I am so mad at our government. We, as US citizens, have to jump through hoops to prove who we are before we can get government jobs (except political jobs apparently), grants, loans, etc… But Obama, who wants to be our next President, doesn’t have to prove who the hell he is! WTF??!!

WE MUST DEMAND TO SEE OBAMA’S REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-09 23:41:30

I personally think this entire effort is quite similar to the witch-hunt going on with Palin in Alaska.

Just because there’s an election, we don’t suspend legal processes in this country.

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-09 23:43:52

I agree with McCain. I couldn’t care less about washed-up professor Ayers. Every one of stupid educational theories has bombed. He’s a flop as a terrorist and as an educator.

Who cares if he hosted a meet-and-greet party?

What I care about is that Obama lied to the public. And Larry’s article points out the nuances….love that word…..of how and how often.

Larry…..ship this to RCP. I’ll vote for it.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-10 07:27:07

Gee AnnCA…I do care because it is indicative of Extremists taking over the party…But that’s just me….I do care that this PHONY WHATEVER EMPTY SUIT BULLSHITTER has been carefully groomed by Party bosses to use a scorched earth policy in order to solidify power….
When the Neocons announced theor intention to gain and hold a permanent republican majority in congress…that was a shiver…
It seems as if Pelosi et,al…are tryin to do the same thing…shiver…

Also, I think That special NAZI Salute O-Bots do at the rallies…Just confirms how important HISTORY is to teach in School…
Since Barky and Co. are so adept at rewriting personal history on the fly aaaaand have no hesitation at painting the Clintons as Racist….God knows what is next….I mean it’s very easy to educate an entire generation by manipulating history toward either a warped ideology or a warped nationalism…Aaaaand this can have immediate effects locally as well as Globally…

Barky’s LYING is the character flaw…Where this leads us as a nation has already been indicated…DIVISION AND CENSORSHIP…

At a recent WORSHIP OBAMA RALLY…It was said that we must stop being a CRITICAL SOCIETY AND BECOME A SOCIETY OF RECOGNITION….HUH?

Oh Yeah…I know what that means…we all do.
IT MEANS TOTALITARIANISM

 
 
 
 

Comment by Blue Intrigue | 2008-10-09 23:39:27

ASK OBAMA WHY HE IS FIGHTING A LAWSUIT

It’s pretty simple really. Berg filed a lawsuit. Obama’s lawyers sought dismissal based on Berg’s lack of standing to bring the suit. Berg filed for discovery. Obama’s lawyers filed for an injunction to stay discovery until the court rules on their motion for dismissal, which would negate the need for discovery, obviously. Got it?

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-10 07:33:14

BLUELATRINE….I think it’s special the DNC is usin a terrorist advocate lawyer to defend Barky in Berg v. Obama….Yep! Barky is consistent….Barky has lotsa of interesting friends….

PONY UP THE REAL BC BARKY!

Videre Est Credere! = Seeing is Believing!

 
 
 

Comment by KsGirl | 2008-10-09 20:47:10

A polished turd is still a turd…

Obama WILL NOT become president, I don’t care how much dirty money he spends….

McCain-Palin 2008

Comment by Dawnelle | 2008-10-09 21:30:59

lmao @ turd

Indeed!

 
 

Comment by Sarracuda In So Cal | 2008-10-09 20:48:07

Did you all hear the idiot’s new excuse, “I thought he was rehabilitated” What a MORON. This is the so-called messiah LOL LOL, I could do a better job leading this country then that idiot Obama, he is a closet racist, and a TERRORIST, he will destroy this country, some morons are just too brainwashed like Manson did to his followers and Jim Jones did to his followers to see the truth. Hey maybe Osama Bin Laden can run for President, seems that some American people have forgiven him for what he did

Comment by Newly Independent | 2008-10-09 21:22:10

Did you all hear the idiot’s new excuse, “I thought he was rehabilitated” What a MORON.

OMG!!!

Obama stated that he didn’t even know Ayers well!!!!

NOW he’s stating that he thought Ayers was rehabilitated??????

Comment by Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright | 2008-10-09 21:47:26

Tomorrow he will Say Ayers was Reincarnated

 

Comment by socalannie | 2008-10-09 21:52:29

Well, since barky’s supposed to be the “messiah”, maybe next he’ll say that Ayers is forgiven his past sins!

(On td’s blog, there’s a youtube of Farrakhan calling barky the messiah)

 
 
 

Comment by Galt, Master Thrall of Planet Triskelion | 2008-10-09 20:50:18

Which brings us back to Barack. He is not responsible for Ayers’ actions in the sixties. But he is responsible for choosing to work for, work with, and solicit political support from Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernadette Dohrn.

That is it in a nutshell. Obama shows terrible non-presidential judgment and lack of character by not fessing up to the truth about his intimate involvement with Ayers.

Comment by Mary | 2008-10-10 07:05:40

And Obama IS responsible for lying to the public about his relationships with Ayers in the debate with Hillary.

“Just some guy who lives in my neighborhood.”

Uh, no. You LIED, Obama.

 
 

Comment by DD | 2008-10-09 20:51:07

Obama is a LIAR.

Americans think that Kerry being identified as a “flip flopper” was bad? Just wait and see how Obama’s name will become synonymous with liar.

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-10-09 22:37:33

Obama makes GWB look like the Patron Saint of Truth.

 
 

Comment by Shiloh | 2008-10-09 20:51:37

The obama campaign seems to be counting on some kind of mass psychology that says people will rush into the arms of the hopey changey guy in times of crisis. For sure there is some historical basis for that. But it is a very unflattering view of Americans to think we will be so simplistic.

Does character matter LESS in times of crisis or more? Do they really think they can get through 3 1/2 weeks with nothing more than “OMG! Look at that fire over there? Let me in, no need to check “my” ID” I think by Nov 4 voters won’t be willing to trust Obama with their lunch money let alone their families future.

America has flirted with Obama and is now beginning the walk down the aisle with McCain.

Comment by kgirl1028 | 2008-10-09 20:55:26

uhh they elected bush twice, americans are stupid. If they weren’t obama would never have made it pass the primaries.

Comment by lark | 2008-10-09 21:05:10

Stupidity is a temporary thing.

Comment by Dawnelle | 2008-10-09 21:34:25

yea if he’s NOT a bold faced LIAR (not unlike Bush and Cheney)

then it’s even WORSE and he’s just a DIM WIT who doesn’t have a CLUE about ANY thing.

WE’ve had that!!! 8 yrs of that!!

WHY DO WE KEEP DOING THAT?

THE FAR RIGHT AND THE FAR LEFT ARE FRIGGEN LOONEY TUNES!!!

THEY LOVE IDIOTS! WHY?????

ARGH!

 
 

Comment by slobodaneee | 2008-10-10 00:04:36

You guys and gals are still such bitter losers. You can’t stand the thought that Obama survived all the Hillary crap (though I must admit I have begun to regret her earlier stupid statements about Obama because if she didn’t give such fodder to you repubs, she would be a great VP) and he appears to be on the way to win states no democrat has won in many years. If he does, he replaces Bubba as top demo dog and humiliates the repubs.

 
 
 

Comment by HILLARY 2012 | 2008-10-09 20:52:59

Hey troll,

Why don’t you bring B.O. some blow and give him some blow, and tell him Larry misses him.

 

Comment by rickrickrick | 2008-10-09 20:54:27

What a LIAR! When Obama talks in vauge terms: 5-10 years ago, not running my campaign… all deversions. What needs to be done is to chase the money from Ayers to Obama,and from Obama back to Ayers. That will show Obama’s lack of judgement as well as redirection of the truth. As Clinton said Its the economy stupid! Well same goes here. Follow the Obama Ayers money and Obama will be caught red handed!

I’m sure someone can daisychain: Obama, Ayers, Rezko, Wright, Pflager in one neat little TV ad.

 

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2008-10-09 20:54:54

This was posted by some idiot over at Wake up America that believes that Obama has been sent by Allah to destroy America.
I have been saying for months that what we are witnessing is a slow motion terrorist attack.

ON 911 ALLAH BEGAN HIS MASTERFULL PLAN AND IN 28 DAYS WILL BE COMPLETED. WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IS OF NO CONSEQUENCE. WE WAITED A LONG TIME FOR THIS AND NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER, PALIN TRASH/MCCAIN TRASH/BIDEN TRASH- OBAMA THE CHOOSEN ONE. ALLAH WILL BE PRAISED IN 28 DAYS BY ALL NATIONS.
OBAMA IS NOT THE CHOOSING OF THE WHITE DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, IT IS THE CHOOSING OF OUR MERCYFULL ALLAH. THE AMERICAN WOMEN WILL STOP BEEN THE MODELS OF EVIL, THEY WILL LEARN THE WAY OF OUR FATHERS. THE RULE OF THE WHITE TRASH OVER THE HUMBLE BLACK AND MUSLIMS IS OVER! WE WILL TERMINATE YOUR WEAPONS OF DESTRUCTION, AND WE WILL HELP DOES YOU HAVE HARM. THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE. IT IS DONE. PRAISED ALLAH OUR MERCYFULL FATHER FOR OUR DELIVERANCE.

Comment by lark | 2008-10-09 21:09:34

No wonder that Obama says he will change America and he will change the world.

 

Comment by Northwest rain | 2008-10-09 23:46:51

When the word racist is limited to the white ethnic classification — apparently any other race is free to be racist??

White Trash = racist

And this message was also sexist

Charlie Manson wanted race wars — and Obama is fulfilling Manson’s fantasy.

This was a very disturbing message from a psychopath — and evidence that Obama is not at all who the peaceniks think he is.

 
 

Comment by whoframedrudy | 2008-10-09 20:56:21

McCain needs to tie terrorism to the economy. A terrorist strike while our economy is vulnerable will sink us. A show of hands — who thinks Al Queada doesn’t know that?

The Ayers thing tells me Obama’s instincts are soft on terrorism. Ayers doesn’t make Obama’s blood boil. In his heart and guts, Obama is sympathetic to Ayers’ point of view — like MoveOn/Daily Kos — otherwise he would throw up at the sight of the guy.

Comment by YES HRC | 2008-10-09 21:12:10

Hand up. The economy will bite bambi in the bootox. No wild cards when the country is in crisis.

 
 

Comment by The "Other" One | 2008-10-09 20:57:32

Apparently, desperate times calls for… ridiculous measures?

McCain’s. Already. Lost.

Man, January 20th is going to feel DAMNED fine.

[ADMINISTRATOR: You can vent elsewhere.

P.S. Don't forget to take that remedial English composition class. "Times" is plural so the verb should be "call."]

Comment by fif | 2008-10-09 21:07:56

Really? Maybe you should do some research all the way back to 1972 when every single Democrat was much further ahead in the polls and STILL LOST.

Kerry was 11 points ahead of Bush at this point.

See you on November 4th.

Comment by Andy | 2008-10-09 21:16:07

fif:

I have been looking for the pre-election October polls from 2004 and 2000;
where can I find them?

Thanks!

 

Comment by slobodaneee | 2008-10-10 00:10:23

Can you provide a link? I don’t think Kerry was ever 11 points ahead of Bush, but I will concede your greater point. There is still a long way to go. I don’t think this Ayers crap will work because it reeks of a desperate move. Most Americans aren’t stupid. They know a desperation play, i.e. suspending my campaign, when they see one and this 11th hour line of attack is evidence of McCain’s desperation.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-10-10 00:14:34

It is hard to believe that BOBO is buds with a guy who waged war against America.

Comment by slobodaneee | 2008-10-10 00:26:31

Its hard to believe that McInsane is “buds” with a guy who was convicted during the Watergate scandal for his attempt at subverting democracy; who stated that he was willing to commit murder if he was discovered during one of the Watergate related break ins; and advocated the murder of federal agents by shooting them in head since federal agents wore body armor. Wait, I’m not surprised. McInsane’s running mate or soul mate as he referred to her is sympathetic to Alaskan separatists. So I’m not surprised after all.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-10-10 00:32:05

Attempt!? LOL all you have is a measly attempt? Bill Ayers ACTUALLY waged war against America. Big difference. Huge!!!

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by ohio | 2008-10-09 21:09:37

It will feel great with a McCain presidency. I can see it now. Obama is toast.